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Need RAM; HyperX PC3500 256x2 or Buffalo PC3200 512x1 (BH-5)

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Banyan

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Which would you get? Price dif isd about $40 and in the end I would like to have 1GB or ram. I think most will tell me to go for the Buffalo, but I still want opinions.
 
for AMD i'd say the Kingston (not the 3200A), and for Intel i'd have to vote
for the BH-5 modules.

i think my HyperX memory has CH-5 chips (darn heat spreaders :p). it
passes memtest using 1:1 CPU/Memory @ 236 2-5-3-2 3.01v, but fails
at or above 5:4 ratio @ 289:231 2-5-3-2 3.01v . its not the cpu because
i it passes @ 3:2 289/192. dunno if its a memory issue or a mobo problem.

bottom line, i've read that BH chips run better than CH chips on 865/875 Intel boards.

good luck

c_h
 
that's what i hear...

interesting avatar by the way
 
:attn: metal aren't they? god i hate the music scene these days... ;)
 
they are a rock band actually. pentatonic blues based. here are mp3s from
one of their shows. they allow nonprofit tape trading/recording.

c_h
 
Clutch_Head said:
for AMD i'd say the Kingston (not the 3200A), and for Intel i'd have to vote for the BH-5 modules.
The HyperX 3200 non A is a BH5 module, and a good one. But you should get the HyperX 3000 instead, it is also BH5 and a whole lot cheaper. Or just get the Buffalo, it's very nearly as good. Getting HyperX 3200A or 3500 will just get you CH5 chips and cost a forturne.

Clutch_Head said:

i think my HyperX memory has CH-5 chips (darn heatspreaders :p). it passes memtest using 1:1 CPU/Memory @ 236 2-5-3-2 3.01v, but fails at or above 5:4 ratio @ 289:231 2-5-3-2 3.01v . its not the cpu because i it passes @ 3:2 289/192. dunno if its a memory issue or a mobo problem.
That is the memory. That is exactly where BH5's make the difference. The 5:4 would work fine.
 
larva,

thanks, we were getting off topic there for a min ;)

i own the 3200 2x256MB kit. do you know if these have BH-5 chips?

<edit> i misread the title of the post (lack of sleep). i thought it said
kingston 3200 not 3500. also 2x256 vs. 1x512MB. i'd say 2x256 or
2x512 if its going in your NF-7 (dual channel).</edit>
 
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You do have BH5s, there is a second kit KHX3200AK2/512 that is 127 instead of 143 dollars and is the "A" version CH5 parts. You got the right one. But I favor two of the Buffalo 2x512MB 3700 BH5s for two bills anyday.

I don't understand why the 5:4 is being problematic, how high of fsb is stable in 5:4 for you? What are your GAT settings like? Who knows, it may take 3.1V to pull it off. Your 3.3V line looks pretty healthy since 390 Ohms got you to 3.01. Maybe 450 would get you to 3.1 and get the ram over the hump. 3.1V is safe enough to run and in the end there are only so many things you can do to encourage it to work, and voltage is the most reliable.
 
Are there PC3000 memories around? I thought from 2700 , next up was 3200...

Is the PC3000 hyperX sure to have BH-5 chips? that would be great, but is it for sure or sheer luck?
 
2 bills for a GB of 3700 :eek:. that is a good deal indeed.

memtest86 stable (all tests) @ 1:1 235 2-5-3-2 3.01v

" " fails test 5 @ 5:4 295/235 2-5-3-2 3.01v

" " pass @ 3:2 295/196 2-5-3-2 3.01v

" " pass @ 5:4 [edit] 287 [/edit/230 2-5-3-2 3.01v

tests were run with GAT set to auto, norm, auto, dis, dis
5:4 ratio is working, but it doesn't clock quite as high as 1:1.
CPU doesn't seem to be the problem ( third test).

it passes [edit] 287 [/edit]/230 with GAT set to street racer (F1 failed), auto, auto
dis, dis. <mr. Rogers> can you say bandwidth? </mr. Rogers>

BTW, changing the Ras to Cas from 2 to 3 gave me the bigest boost
in Mhz. what i lost in latency i gained back with the higher frequency.

<edit> my 3.3v line is a solid 3.35 . i love my sparkle. i might up
the Ωage to 450 since my CPU doen't seem to wanna quit.</edit>
i can't complain. i love my setup. thanks for the info larva :D

OSFP,

KHX3000

larva is a very reliable source of information. if it were a gamble on
getting BH-5 modules, he'd tell ya ;)

c_h
 
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Well from a few reviews on newegg I saw, they werent getting any good OCs... i mean most were under 200MHz...
I thought since this has BH-5 chips it could go 230+ FSB...
am I wrong? aint the chips all it matters?
 
Sometimes you just have ignore what the newegg reviews say. HyperX 3000 shows the most potential out of the BH5's out there, but you do have to throw voltage at any BH5 to get really stunning results. They do OK at 2.8V, but you can do really great things at 3.1V.

I have the Buffalo 3700 and they are fine for me as my cpu can only run 190fsb (18x multiplier), but from what I have seen the HyperX 3000 is capable of a little more. It's not a huge difference, but the best results I see on IS7s are being done with the HyperX 3000.
 
I dont understand, you are talking about 190-200 FSB...thats OK for a PC3000 module, but since it has BH-5 chips , shouldnt it hit 230+ FSB?

The mushkins with BH5 hit that, and i thought only the chips matter in ram modules...nothing else, am i mistaken?
 
Clutch_Head said:

pass @ 5:4 297/230 2-5-3-2 3.01v

it passes 297/230 with GAT set to street racer (F1 failed), auto, auto, dis, dis.

That's what I'd be doing right there. Try increasing voltage to 3.1V and see if you can't get it up to 300. There's no guarantee that the ram won't reach a few MHz higher in 1:1, as the cpu is just loafing. In the 5:4 mode the cpu is near its limits and the system is going to be comparitively shakey stability wise and may not all you to press the ram quite as hard.

I love Sparkles too but mine is swamped with the load I'm putting on it. Check your 12V line with a voltmeter on a molex under load like Prime95. It is very possible that your 12V is out of gas near 300fsb and that is responsible for your challange when in the 5:4 mode. Also try Turbo rather than SR on the GAT and make sure SR is really faster. When you're right on the edge of the ram's capability it may actually go faster on Turbo. SR and F1 are very aggressive calibrations, too aggressive at times. Use PCMark2002's memory test to evalute this.
 
OSFP said:
I dont understand, you are talking about 190-200 FSB...thats OK for a PC3000 module, but since it has BH-5 chips , shouldnt it hit 230+ FSB?

The mushkins with BH5 hit that, and i thought only the chips matter in ram modules...nothing else, am i mistaken?

I'm not saying they only run 380MHz, I'm saying I don't have them because I don't have to run them 450MHz+ with my cpu. They can and will do the 5:4 mode to over 300fsb (460+ MHz) with 3.1V and a willing cpu.

For the most drastic applications (230+ FSB on a Nforce2, or 300+ fsb at 5:4 with i865/875s) these chips give a great shot at success. With enough voltage very tight timings are attainable at these freuquencies. Only the Mushkin Level 2 is as good or better, and it costs waaaay too much.
 
Ok , so to sumarize :
1) Do all HyperX PC3000 have BH-5 chips? is there any chance not getting BH-5?
2) Where can I buy them in Europe? www.shop4memory.com doesn't seem to have them...
 
To my knowledge all HyperX 3000 uses BH5's. I would imagine sooner or later BH5s will run out and they might have a CH5 replacement, but right now the ones coming from newegg are BH5s. I don't know where you buy them in Europe, but it's Kingston HyperX, there are tougher things to find.

The HyperX 3200 is BH5 also, but a bit more money. The HyperX3200A is about the same price as the 3000 and is CH5. There are also two HyperX 2700s, the one with 2-2-2-5 1T rating is BH5, but I haven't seen it used.
 
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