AMD or INTEL??????????????//

[joey_rjm5]

I am wondering if I should go with an AMD system or an Intel system. OI am wanting to get a geforce 2 and I want to onerclock and be able to overclock as much as possible. What works best, easiest and with the least amount of problems.

[Alik AlRahim]

I don't think you can even overclock the new p4s.... Not totally sure but I've seen several places that say the p4s can't be overclocked and are more expensive.

[ken257]

I have several machines from both camps and right now if you want to OC AMD is the way to go. They are so flexable because you have control over both multiplier and fsb. You can reach some very high speeds with a TBird, much higher then with a P3 and the P4 is just to high $ for now.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Well personally I went through 5 AMD Systems/CPU's and I find it honestly over Pentium to be Garbage no stabability in AMD, Pentium is very stable and as a matter of a fact I know about 12 people who have overclocked P4's and P3's , P2's. I got a 1.4GHZ p4 and I put that thing through hell and it works like a charm no crashes problems etc... I love it.

[ken257]

ReTiCuLe (Jun 08, 2001 10:35 p.m.):
Well personally I went through 5 AMD Systems/CPU's and I find it honestly over Pentium to be Garbage no stabability in AMD.

Thats funny I have 4 Athalons running now and every one is rock solid! Athalons are a little bit more fussy then Intel because they do not have the same level of support in Microsoft OS's. You usualy have to dl and install the latest drivers and updates. Given this fact when I build a buis machine for a client that must be reliable I use Intel. The reason is what if the customer has to do a reinstal I can't expect them to know what drivers and updates need to be done. For home systems I always recomend AMD

[Alik AlRahim]

ReTiCuLe (Jun 08, 2001 10:35 p.m.):
Well personally I went through 5 AMD Systems/CPU's and I find it honestly over Pentium to be Garbage no stabability in AMD, Pentium is very stable and as a matter of a fact I know about 12 people who have overclocked P4's and P3's , P2's. I got a 1.4GHZ p4 and I put that thing through hell and it works like a charm no crashes problems etc... I love it.

That's the thing, if you want a solid processor and don't care about the price go with intel, if you want huge speed at low cost then go with AMD, or if you want crap go with Cyrix, the choice is of course in your pocket book ;-)

[joey_rjm5]

I would not be getting the latest and greatest proc. Maybe something like a p3 800. What's a comparable AMD proc?

[joey_rjm5]

Well the cyrix is pretty tempting. I can tell already this is gonna be a tough decision with the three really good choices

[joey_rjm5]

How do AMD motherboards compare and what are the differences in memory?

[Fiz]

AMD procs are a little more fussy than there intel counterparts. You have to do more work to get them up and running, however, when you are done AMD's are really fast. I have 3 AMD systems in my LAN and they all run flawlessly. From what I have seen the Intel systems are more stable but not as versitile. I still haven't found a reason to spend the extra money to go pentium. Athlons are faster, they OC better, and I have never had a problem setting them up. If you are worried about heat, the P4 chugs out as much heat as an Athlon, so there is no real advantage there, besides, with the coolers that are out now, cooling one of these pigs is not a real big prob. If you want to tweak and get the most speed for your buck, go AMD. If you want a teeny bit more stability, go Intel.

Fiz

[joey_rjm5]

whta type of memory do u use in amd mobos

[joey_rjm5]

nevermind that's a dumb question huh since you have the type you use in your quote.

[castle lager fan]

joey

AMD AThlons use SDRAM or DDR SDRAM. The DDR is the newer architecture and pretty much what AMD is supporting into the future. The DDR pretty much retial the same price as SDRAM now.

Intel P4 use RDRAM currently. I've heard rumors that Intel is going to change the chipset and pin config to use DDR later this year. SO be careful. See tomshardware.com as one source of info. I'm sure other people will give you other sources.

Both the AMD and INtel is fine CPUs. The P4 is just more expensive and ppl is getting no better or even worse performance with it that the Athlon. The reason why people state they have problems with the Athlon is because they fidlle (OC) it. Do the same with P4 and you will also get instability. I run rock slid and stable at 1.53GHz with my 1.33 Athlon and is very happy with its performance, price and stability.

WIth both these CPUs you have to ensure you get the best HSF and PSU (350W or better).

Look at the mobo section and find a good mobo. Also choose wisely for your mem. try to get mem with the best CL lowest and best speed rating. DOnt get high speed rating with high CL as it will hurt your performance.

Good luck in your choice.

[joey_rjm5]

I cant afford the p4 anyways
I also can't afford a 350 watt psu. i have a 300 watt. do you think that would be sufficient

[joey_rjm5]

you have a big freakin power supply

[Gerti]

Ok AMD athlon and duron procs have their goods and bads.
First lets start with the goods
1.AMD procs are more ocable(by adjusting both FSB and multiplier)
2.they are cheaper than intel
3.they have higher performance even compared to P4 and are better workhorses.

The bads:
1.they are arguably a bit less stable than intel
2.their core is quite fragile(cracks easily under pressure)
3.they radiate more heat not comparing it with the P4
4.u need to fiddle around with the bridges(i.e. unlock it by joining the L1's) unless u get an unlocked one.

It's up to u to decide now but IMO go for AMD u won't be dissapointed.

[Tomas]

hmm where have u heard that intel is more stable than amd???
I have 2 wintel p3 systems too and none of them are more stable than my tbird system. But i had some stability problems with it when i had the abit kt7 mobo but when i switched to an asus a7v133 i have had none stability problems since:) So if urs is unstable it must be the mobo/ram that is the problem but its not the cpu...........

[Gerti]

Thats why i said ARGUABLY because some of the ppl disagree with it although i'm not one of them.

[!-=sky=-!]

i think AMD more stable then INTEL b/c i used to have a pen3 800eb with asus p3v4x mobo and that thing always crash even when no o/c but again, that thing couldn't go higher then 850......but what happened was that i switched the power supply voltage from 220v to 110v and it just blew up, the mobo and power supply doesn't work........so i replaced it with a duron 750 and asus a7v mobo~ really good and i loved it

[Kurant]

Obviously no one here looks at price watch.

P4's are NOT more expensive. 1.4 P4 is infact 40 dollars cheaper then the 1.4 Athlon. the 1.3 is 8 dollars more. The only thing that makes a P4 insanely more expensive is you have to buy the stupid RAM, and the mobo's aren't cheap either. The fact that AMD has not released a clock speed any higher then 1.4ghz yet ables Intel to keep those prices up.

I run an AMD system now. I was an Intel fan and talked into buying an AMD. Well, never again. I've ordered a 1.5ghz P4, and am going to sell this. I have lots of application problems with AMD. I run a small network oif 3 computers in my home, I find AMD doesnt run Windows 2k as well as Intel either. The AMD seems like it almost bottlenecks like a video card somtimes. It's rather odd. I guess it just depends on what you do. If your a basic computer user, not using a great deal of resources, AMD is cheaper because of a wide range of components you can buy. Not to mention, it's just plain fast. If your like myself, using a wide variety of applications such as CAD, Windows 2k, running a small web server, I find Intel to be a much, much better choice.

And yes you can overclock the P4's. There was a site, some japenese site I saw here a while back, with a P4 running at 1.9ghz.

[joey_rjm5]

Kurant (Jun 09, 2001 11:36 p.m.):
Obviously no one here looks at price watch.

P4's are NOT more expensive. 1.4 P4 is infact 40 dollars cheaper then the 1.4 Athlon. the 1.3 is 8 dollars more. The only thing that makes a P4 insanely more expensive is you have to buy the stupid RAM, and the mobo's aren't cheap either.

And yes you can overclock the P4's. There was a site, some japenese site I saw here a while back, with a P4 running at 1.9ghz.


Maybe the p4 1.4 is at the price the amd is because intel has higher running chips already. Is the i850 chipset as good as the latest athlon chipsets?

[joey_rjm5]

I do use stuff like autocad and photoshop for fun. how would the difference between the 2 chips afect the performance?

[joey_rjm5]

maybe I'll wait a while and use the money to help get a 65 mustang from my uncle. It will be my first car. This way I can wait till p4 chipsets include the use of ddr memory which I think they will have to do.

[krakerman]

yeah saw a site saying something about ddr coming to p4 sometime. (dunno where i saw that). i hate p4's, esp with that stupid blue man group, but if you want one i recommend waiting for ddr. as is, im pretty excited about nforce + athlon. check that out, but who knows about stability w/ it yet. and that fact its not available yet too ;p

[Kurant]

It would still be a waste of money. You can save ALOT of money by purchasing SDRAM anyway. DDR is not a prefected technology, it's not worth the money. The same with the memory for the P4's. The Motherboards are more expensive as well.

Photoshop doesnt use a great amount of resources like AutoCad would. It also depends on how detailed of drawings you do. I'm just telling you, if you use AutoCad to a great extent, then there is no comparison. I've seen it first hand. My 933mhz P3 runs AutoCad, and windows 2k better then this 1.33ghz Ahtlon. But when I get down to play games, and run basic applications, wooooo. P3's nor P4's can match the speed of the AMD. Except in Windows 2k. AMD still seems to bottle neck or somthing. It's very odd.

[Tomas]

Kurant (Jun 09, 2001 11:46 p.m.):
Obviously no one here looks at price watch.

P4's are NOT more expensive. 1.4 P4 is infact 40 dollars cheaper then the 1.4 Athlon. the 1.3 is 8 dollars more. The only thing that makes a P4 insanely more expensive is you have to buy the stupid RAM, and the mobo's aren't cheap either. The fact that AMD has not released a clock speed any higher then 1.4ghz yet ables Intel to keep those prices up.

I run an AMD system now. I was an Intel fan and talked into buying an AMD. Well, never again. I've ordered a 1.5ghz P4, and am going to sell this. I have lots of application problems with AMD. I run a small network oif 3 computers in my home, I find AMD doesnt run Windows 2k as well as Intel either. The AMD seems like it almost bottlenecks like a video card somtimes. It's rather odd. I guess it just depends on what you do. If your a basic computer user, not using a great deal of resources, AMD is cheaper because of a wide range of components you can buy. Not to mention, it's just plain fast. If your like myself, using a wide variety of applications such as CAD, Windows 2k, running a small web server, I find Intel to be a much, much better choice.

And yes you can overclock the P4's. There was a site, some japenese site I saw here a while back, with a P4 running at 1.9ghz.

But still a p4 on 1.4ghz is twice as slow as an tbird on the same speed!!!!!!!!!! Even mine 1.1ghz beats the 1.5ghz p4. The only benchmark the p4 is better on is the ram speed because it uses rambus ram.

The da*n fpu on the p4 is running on half speed(50%)

[joey_rjm5]

I am gonna go with the athlon. The stuff I do in autocad is not very complex at all and I just goof around with photoshop. I am mainly concered with game performance and as far as I can tell AMD is the way to go. I don't have alot money, so bang for the buck is big concern. I'll check out that nforce stuff. Thanks for everyones help. If you go and look at my post in athlon motherboards, you will see that not everyone was so helpful. I appreciate it.

[pmoores]

Actually the same clock speed amd is not 2x faster then the p4. Its more like 30-35% faster, ie you need a 1.7ghz intel to match a 1.333ghz amd. That being said, once my watercooler/peltier gets installed im hoping for 1.6ghz or so, youd need a 2+ghz intel to reach that level. One thing is for sure, a 1.7 intel is not as cheap as a 1.333amd excluding the ram. Given for graphics or rendering 512megs is preferable, it would cost you a fortune for the p4 1.7ghz option.

[UnseenMenace]

ignore this.. its not worth saying