View Full Version : Should I get a KT7A-raid with a 1000axia or a 1333axia.... its $20 bucks more
I mean its the same chip isn't it?
I do like to be frugle with my money but if anyone feels that I would have better luck with the 1333 let me know here.
Also is the KT7-A raid the way to go? I really wan't to push this baby for all it's worth-
A-Bomb
u will probably get a better overclock with the 1.333 than with the 1000 but the 1000 will be a bigger precentage overclock
For $20 more, I'd get the 1.33. I have a 1.0/266 AXIA and yes, I get it to 1.5 and almost 1.6, but it takes an awfully high vcore to do so. From what I have read, I sincerely believe that 1.33 certified CPUs get to the 1.5G and above mark with less Vcore. That is either due to screening at the factory, or a lot of people are lying. The other possible benefit is not having to mess with the L1 bridges. My 1.0/266 was locked.
Hoot
Neptune
06-13-01, 10:11 AM
For 20 bucks i'd get the "insurance" A 1ghz will almost guarunteed be able to run at 1333+, but with the 1.33 your likly to hit 1.5. Also, I personally wounldn't recommend that Abit board. Seems to me there are a lot of problems with this board. In fact, i just recieved an e-mail yesterday from a guy who said it is "total crap," asking for some suggestions on a new board. Now perhaps he just isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but from what i've read, I would never buy one.
If you want to stick with the KT133A chipset for you SDRAM, then check out the Iwill KK266. Its layed out like the abit board and has proven itself to be a top-dawg of the KT133A boards. If your interested in DDR RAM, stick with a board based on the AMD 760 Northbridge, not the ALi Magik or VIA set. The EPoX 8K7A is an awesome board for DDR. Just remember, if you go DDR, most boards only have to RAM banks, so buy big sticks (2 256mb PC2100 from Crucial would be good)
Hope this helps
SharkyTM
06-13-01, 11:05 AM
i'd get the faster chip.... and the abit board, i have one and im running a 1.2 at 1.6... "piece of crap"?? i dont think so, not with crappy ram, (CAS3 crucial 128mb, and a generic 256mb stick).... my suggestion is to buy the 1.33/266 and the kt7a-raid, dont update the bios (WW is the best and its what the board ships with) and get 256 or 128 of crucial cas2. as far as heatsinks go, i'd try an alpha pep66 or pal6035, or a cak35 or something comprable.... You'll be hitting 1.5 in no time....
Cheers,
sharkytm
jeff_harrison_344
06-13-01, 11:43 AM
SharkyTM (Jun 13, 2001 11:05 a.m.):
i'd get the faster chip.... and the abit board, i have one and im running a 1.2 at 1.6... "piece of crap"?? i dont think so, not with crappy ram, (CAS3 crucial 128mb, and a generic 256mb stick).... my suggestion is to buy the 1.33/266 and the kt7a-raid, dont update the bios (WW is the best and its what the board ships with) and get 256 or 128 of crucial cas2. as far as heatsinks go, i'd try an alpha pep66 or pal6035, or a cak35 or something comprable.... You'll be hitting 1.5 in no time....
Cheers,
sharkytm
Cak35? :)
I love my Abit board 1.33@1.540 with generic ram and as far as vcore goes im running at 1.540 with 1.75 vcore i would recommend the board! Have had this 1.33 Axia at 1.6 with 1.825 volts but heat has become a major problem waiting for my water cooling kit.............
SharkyTM (Jun 13, 2001 11:05 a.m.):
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dont update the bios (WW is the best and its what the board ships with)
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Cheers,
sharkytm
What revision the KT7A ships with depends upon how long it sat on the resellers shelf. The one I got in March came with WW and ran best with WW. The one I got in April came with YH and runs better with YH than WW. Go figure...
For a while, earlier this spring, KT7As were very flakey. I don't know if Abit was having manufacturing problems or VIA, but the reports of inconsistent behavior, when overclocking, seem to be going down in number recently. ASUS seem to be going up and IWILL seems to be fairly consistent all along. That's just the impressions I have gotten, following the posts in the different forums here and in the case of the KT7A, from personal experience.
Hoot
Neptune (Jun 13, 2001 10:11 a.m.):
For 20 bucks i'd get the "insurance" A 1ghz will almost guarunteed be able to run at 1333+, but with the 1.33 your likly to hit 1.5. Also, I personally wounldn't recommend that Abit board. Seems to me there are a lot of problems with this board. In fact, i just recieved an e-mail yesterday from a guy who said it is "total crap," asking for some suggestions on a new board. Now perhaps he just isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but from what i've read, I would never buy one.
If you want to stick with the KT133A chipset for you SDRAM, then check out the Iwill KK266. Its layed out like the abit board and has proven itself to be a top-dawg of the KT133A boards. If your interested in DDR RAM, stick with a board based on the AMD 760 Northbridge, not the ALi Magik or VIA set. The EPoX 8K7A is an awesome board for DDR. Just remember, if you go DDR, most boards only have to RAM banks, so buy big sticks (2 256mb PC2100 from Crucial would be good)
Hope this helps
Yeh i totally agree!! the abit boards does toally SU*S!! Atleast after my experience with the abit kt7, it was really unstable!!
If u gonna go with sdram go for the asus a7v133
SharkyTM (Jun 13, 2001 11:05 a.m.):
i'd get the faster chip.... and the abit board, i have one and im running a 1.2 at 1.6... "piece of crap"?? i dont think so, not with crappy ram, (CAS3 crucial 128mb, and a generic 256mb stick).... my suggestion is to buy the 1.33/266 and the kt7a-raid, dont update the bios (WW is the best and its what the board ships with) and get 256 or 128 of crucial cas2. as far as heatsinks go, i'd try an alpha pep66 or pal6035, or a cak35 or something comprable.... You'll be hitting 1.5 in no time....
Cheers,
sharkytm
Compared to other boards its a piece of CRAP. Alot more unstable than other mobos using the same chipset, also less performance than other ones like the asus a7v133.
+ i now have heard of many ppl having BIG troubles oc the new 1.4ghz on the abit board
UnseenMenace
06-14-01, 08:19 AM
Well I personally have a different experience of the Abit boards. The Abit KT7A-Raid I brought not only because it has great reviews but because, it is widely used and respected in these forums.. The manual is detailed and clearly laid out and the quality of the mobo outstanding and stable. The soft bios is great and exceptionally tweakable.. I would reccomend this great motherboard to anyone.
Have a look at the speeds people are reaching on this forum a great deal of the faster speeds are on Abit mobo's
my Duron 800 @ 1050 on Abit KT7A-Raid
UnseenMenace
06-14-01, 08:21 AM
Neptune (Jun 13, 2001 10:11 a.m.):
If your interested in DDR RAM, stick with a board based on the AMD 760 Northbridge,
Hope this helps
The AMD 760 chipset has problems, there is a full report on the front of Overclockers.com
ManOfKnight
06-14-01, 08:45 AM
If you are looking for fun...buy the Gig...if you are just looking for speed that the processor says it will do...get the 1.3. The gigs u can o/c percentage wise a LOT more than the 1.3's...I think that is the sport of it, push it till it doesn't work
I agree With NyTe. It's a percentage factor that makes all the difference to me. If a less expensive chip can almost reach the higher range of the more expensive chip, then it seems like a better bargain. My 1ghz AXIA is rock solid at 1.4ghz with a core voltage of 1.84. I've had it as high as 1.5 once, but my chip just wasn't as stable as I'd have liked it to be. 40% more performance is just fine with me!
As for needing a serious heatsink, that's just a necessary expense anyhow, especially if your going to be running anything over 1ghz. With the way the newer heatsinks are performing, any decent brand "should" last quite a while.
Essentially it comes down to your own personal preference. Everyone one here has great input from personal experiences, especially the senior members. They've been there, and done it!
Hope this helps a bit!
Neptune
06-14-01, 09:29 AM
UnseenMenace (Jun 14, 2001 08:21 a.m.):
The AMD 760 chipset has problems, there is a full report on the front of Overclockers.com
Every Chipset has its issues, but my experience to this point has been less issues (freezes, BSOD, etc) with the AMD Northbridge as opposed to the KT133A. I suppose nothing will be as stable as the 'ol 440BX, but seeings how BX isn't a DDR platform, I think i'll stick with AMD :-)
The abit boards are great. I have the old KT7 and it runs great. But, if your trying to be frugal then you prolly dont need the raid feature. That will save you 20 bucks there, but if you do use raid drives than maybe it is worth it.
UnseenMenace (Jun 14, 2001 08:38 a.m.):
Well I personally have a different experience of the Abit boards. The Abit KT7A-Raid I brought not only because it has great reviews but because, it is widely used and respected in these forums.. The manual is detailed and clearly laid out and the quality of the mobo outstanding and stable. The soft bios is great and exceptionally tweakable.. I would reccomend this great motherboard to anyone.
Have a look at the speeds people are reaching on this forum a great deal of the faster speeds are on Abit mobo's
my Duron 800 @ 1050 on Abit KT7A-Raid
Then take a look at all those ppl who have bought an 1.4g(ayhja) chip and havent even gotten the multipilere over 10.5 without the crap locking in windows. Also if u just try an another board with the same cpu/ram u will notice the difference and that the abit kt7a is a piece of crap board.
just get an asus a7v133a, iwill or an msi. all these boards are better than the abit board.
Im not so sure about the stock bios thing..I bought my KT7A at a computer show with a 1gig 266 AXIA and it came with the WW version of the bios.
No matter how hard I tried I could not use the multi 10, 9.5 was max.
So I did what TT120 did upgraded to the ZT version of the bois..Now I can use the multi 10. 10xwhatever my memory can handle as well as how much heat. And for teh 1.4 gig thing abit just needs to update the bios so it actually does supports the 1.4.
just my 2 cents
Hey this is A-Bomb and I just had the Kt7-raid not the Kt7a, I know it was a good board but I just had a 1200@200fsb and i couldn't get it much over 1300. That was with watercooling. I was going to set up my peltier rigs (I'm the pelt master) but that speed I felt should have been higher with watercooling so I sold the whole system. I still have my Be6-2 and I'm a big A-Bit fan so I'm going to wait untill mid July when couse thats when A-bit told me that the KG7-raid is coming out. I have a feeling that the KG7 will be the equivilant to the T-birds as the Be6-2 was to the pentacellerons. It looks like what ever heat they brewed up from the first batch of kt7a's will be chilled cold when the KG7-raid comes out.
Just check out the specks @ www.abit-usa.com //// I like the sound of a DDR board with 1 by 1 fsb settings mmmmmMMMMmmmmm .... I you asus and epox lovers can tell me if those boards can do incraments like that and a little more about the limits to the multiplyer & voltage I may be swayed. Also I may be interested in going 160scsi for my hardrive. I've been looking @ those 18gigs@15000rpm and the 36gigs@10000. I think there is an asus board that supports 160scsi so you guys tell me whats what K?
OFF AND BACK ON to the subject isn't the 1000axia the same chip as the 1333axia exept the 1333 is just clocked i lil higher? In the overclockers.com database i noticed somone got a 1000 to 1800! I'm just wondering if I would have simaler odds with a 156watt peltier & a 80watt on a second waterblock behind it.....
A-Bomb
yes, can one or some of you knowledgebase people please clarify this up? I was under the impression that the 1000 and 1333 chips were the same ship, but quality control and what not at the mfg plant is what separates them...??? Do you still have to unlock the L1 on a 1333? This thread addresses my same question as well. Thanks guys.
guppie (Jun 16, 2001 11:06 a.m.):
yes, can one or some of you knowledgebase people please clarify this up? I was under the impression that the 1000 and 1333 chips were the same ship, but quality control and what not at the mfg plant is what separates them...??? Do you still have to unlock the L1 on a 1333? This thread addresses my same question as well. Thanks guys.
on the 1000 you have to unlock it i guess and the 1333 it's already unlocked. Thats not really a big deal (unlocking it is easy for me anyway). What I want to know is the basis they are seporating the chips by. Are the 1000's really less stable at higher speeds or is it just becouse the people in the database are mostly using air cooling for the 1000 catagory instead of the more prevelant water & pelier/vapochiller type people in the the 1333 database.
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