Require a Lot of help

[shootkey]

Specification:
k6-2 400@440(4*110, 2.4 volt instead of 2.2)
gigabyte ga-5aa mobo
128 ram (1 chip is 100mhz, other is 133, both 64 mb)
MSI starfore 817 (geforce 2 mx 32 mb) core @192 , mem @174
Quantum 15 gb hdd
a lot of cooling
a huuuuuuuge lack of money
no memory resident program
detonator 3 ref driver
DX 8.0a
win2k & win98 OS

Problems:
1. my mobo supports 2x agp. but if i run any D3D application in win98 using 2x agp, it hangs... no BSOD. The system just freezes. win2k has no problem with 2x agp. and in win98, i've to stick with 1x. and my higest 3dmark200 score is 2603 in win98 and 450(that IS 450) in win2k. :O(.... why cant i use 2x agp and why is my 3dmark so low?

2. with lots of cooling how high can i take the voltage?
i tried 400@475 (4.5*105 using 2.6V). thought it was stable its performance is LOWER than 400@440 (4*110 using 2.4V)...
5*100 or 4.5*110 using 2.6V results win protection error... any suggestions???

3. how high can i take the FSB? note that one of my ram chips r pc 100
my agp supports upto 4x....

4. how high can i take y agp's core and em clock?

plz plz plz plz plz... i'm just a high school student and i earn soo little that u'll laugh if u hear the amount... i can't afford to buy stuffs rite now... so i NEED some overclocking....

[Phil]

The k6 chips at speeds of 400mhx upwards get very hot and usually only manage an extra 50mhz. I would also not recomend going over 2.4v as this would just add to the problem. Do you only have problems running at agp2x when overclocking the fsb? if so then try the multiplyer instead and set it to 4.5x, this is probabally done with jumpers on the motherboard. If it happens anyway or something you should do regardless is to download the latest nvidia detonator drivers as they tend to be the fastest and most stable.

[shootkey]

it freeaes always!
with or without any type of overclocking.....
and i DID download detonator 12.40 but it DID NOT seem to give much improvement......
:O(

[n2]

from my experience,
if you have decent cooling, and decent temps...
you want vcore at 2.8v... yes, it is safe. top end, but safe.

default your vid card settings, the GForce may cause this problem, so set it back to stock.

RAM set all speeds to normal, the quality of your RAM may be your biggest factor... you want PC133 in a 256mb single stick... but for now...
check bios that "turbo" speed is off, and normal, or default.. whatever sposed to be.... then make sure its CAS3 for latency... 3, not 2!!!

now, that you've done ALL that, set the FSB to 112 and multiplier at 4
which should be default at 4 right? whatever default is, do it.

K6-2 chips don't like to O/C higher than 112fsb, and multipliers work even worse, from my experience... but now check if under these conditions you still freeze or not using 2xAGP

also, K6-2 is REALLY awful for 3D gaming... it is very bad!
i'm not saying it to discourage you, but for some reason, the AGP does'nt work well with the chip, it's notorious.
also, the 12.xx detonators are for Win2x not 9x, so take it back to 7.xx
and you might have better luck. i use the 7.58 i think it is with my GForce2 and it's great, no probs, AGP4X

you may want to consider setting everything back to default, and doing a reinstall. to clear out any corruption and/or bad/old driver files.
then, after reinstalled and stable, try the gentle-step O/C method.

make sure your temps are 45* and preferrably under when at 2.8vcore
you can also remove the aluminum cap off the cpu, it takes some prying but it comes off, then it'll run cooler.
consider lapping the hsk/f you have, then apply some thermal paste.
you can get some cheap at radioshack. DO NOT use the pad that comes on a hsk.

modify here...
REMOVE the 64mb PC100 and do these steps!
i'm betting thats killing ya!


post back with Q's and/or results.
i hope this helps ya.

[shootkey]

for agp 2x: well, the geforce isn't the problem. cuz i've already changed it once. samw case with both of them. with agp2x, the programs dont freeze as soon as they start. they freeze after 3/4 secs or some more.
i forgot to say that i've a ISA sb16, acard SCSI card and a micronet motorola chipset internal modem. once i unplugged all the cards and tried agp2x.then nfs5, final reality and tritanium etc ran well. but 3dmark2k/2001/xl-r8r freezed. but the hanged after 20/30 seconds. my frnd has a tnt2. i tried that with agp2x and it took LONGER to hang. but it DID freeze. i tried the ways "n2" told me. no luck. i tried both the 100 and 133 ram seperately in different slots. i have ali agp controller 1.73. now using det. 7.58. nothing brings any luck

on the other hand, my mobo supports 100,105,110,115,120 ...... FSB. rite now i'm using 400*460(4*115 2.4v) and it runs smooth, no error. is it safe to take it higher?(with the pc100 ram.)...btb my pc133 ram has hyundai chipset and pc100 has AEC chipset.

n2:
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check bios that "turbo" speed is off, and normal, or default.. whatever sposed to be.... then make sure its CAS3 for latency... 3, not 2!!!
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do i change these back to their values?
what is CAS3 latency anyway?
thanx for the help :O)

[n2]

shootkey (Jun 17, 2001 07:19 p.m.):
for agp 2x: well, the geforce isn't the problem. cuz i've already changed it once. samw case with both of them. with agp2x, the programs dont freeze as soon as they start. they freeze after 3/4 secs or some more.
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ok, i'm not saying the vid card is the problem. it's probably the best thing in your system, in fact, probably too good!
what i was saying, is don't overclock the vid card in it's settings.
because i know the K6-2 has trouble gaming as it is, overclocking the vid card will only make it worse.
and if TD5 is playable, i think you're probably doing fine.



i forgot to say that i've a ISA sb16, acard SCSI card and a micronet motorola chipset internal modem. once i unplugged all the cards and tried agp2x.then nfs5, final reality and tritanium etc ran well.
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does'nt the mobo have built-in sound?
why do you have a scsi card?
the modem should be fine.
ditch ISA sound, and use on-board. ditch SCSI if you are'nt using it for anything...



but 3dmark2k/2001/xl-r8r freezed. but the hanged after 20/30 seconds. my frnd has a tnt2. i tried that with agp2x and it took LONGER to hang. but it DID freeze. i tried the ways "n2" told me. no luck. i tried both the 100 and 133 ram seperately in different slots. i have ali agp controller 1.73. now using det. 7.58. nothing brings any luck
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i don't know about 3DM2001,
try Sandra instead. your freezing up may be totally normal.
ask someone more familiar with 3DM2001 to find out.
the 133RAM is the good stuff,
and any stability issues at your FSB settings... would cause me to point at the PC100.


on the other hand, my mobo supports 100,105,110,115,120 ...... FSB. rite now i'm using 400*460(4*115 2.4v) and it runs smooth, no error. is it safe to take it higher?(with the pc100 ram.)...btb my pc133 ram has hyundai chipset and pc100 has AEC chipset.
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yea, thats what settings are on the board. for one, the board might support, but not actually "Do"... the chip itself does NOT "do" 120fsb LOL...
you can raise the voltage to 2.8 and try 4.5x multiplier. or 120fsb.
but expect no POST'ing or BSOD's
460 is good with that fsb
anything more than that, from my experience, fuhgettabout it.
i'm sorry to say, it's like beating a dead horse.
by all means try for more. but reality is... thats the K6-2 for ya.





n2:
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check bios that "turbo" speed is off, and normal, or default.. whatever sposed to be.... then make sure its CAS3 for latency... 3, not 2!!!
___________________________________

do i change these back to their values?
what is CAS3 latency anyway?
thanx for the help :O)
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latency is the timing settings for the RAM...
your's won't be stable at anything other than CAS3 when overclocked.
you specially buy CL2 RAM and pay for it!!!
you don't find it at bestbuy or compusa.
the settings in BIOS should be "normal" for speed..
"3" for timing.

hope this helps, and sorry for the late reply.