1.2 And 1.4 AMDs MY LAST AMDS "ADVANCED MICRO DISASTERS!"

[ReTiCuLeX]

Yea thats rite advanced micro disasters ive called amd ive tried geting help from you guys on here and I got nothing it still don't work Ive spend over $2000 to try and make this piece of SH*T WORK Techincians tried to also and they are like duh what do i do george IAM SO SICK OF AMD ITS GARBAGE Sure its fast But it has no damn stability what so ever I H8 IT I can't stand AMD I wish I COULD SELL my AMD iam beging my dad to get me a p4 1.7Ghz and 256mbs RDRAM with ASUS Board. My amd just sooks they way they design there processors they must have been drunk when they did it the core should have a piece of metal over it like intels processors so u dont fricken crack it I found no help what so ever I HAVE TRIED EVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRYYYYYTHIIIINGGGGGG I can think and find out of I wish I never bought AMD I swear OMG IAM SOOOOO MAD.......and more my dad is mad all the money he spent and it don't work IVE TRIED 5 MOTHERBOARDS ALSO and The GUYS I GOTO www.tacomputer.com a local STORE SOok just as well they have no tech support at all they duno wtf there doing they couldn't even get it working.

[castle lager fan]

Sorry to hear! Did the cores break on you?

My system came up first time! I had to fiddle with some drivers and then it worked pretty well! I then got a better case and HSF and is running just sweet at 1536 with a 1.33 AXIA.

Is both the CPU's bust and the mobo? Or is it just problematic?

[ReTiCuLeX]

Well just the 1.4Ghz 1 broke amd is sending a new 1. There tech support sooks,my 1.2 will only run good at 900mhz err I checked CPU core yes its 1.2ghz real and AXIA.

[castle lager fan]

Lets see

What mobo are you using?
Your temps seem high for watercooling. What is your ambient (room) temp?
I get temps of 33Cidle and 37C load at 1.53 with 1.33 AXIA on air with MC462 and some air being pushed from outside.

[wild_andy_c]

If u consider the amount of people that run-chips problem free I think that you may appreciate that the side of wrong doing may not all be with AMD.

[castle lager fan]

Hi wild_andy_c

The guy is having a tough time and frustrated. Give some slack. Lets rather see if we can help? I'm sure it's not easy with watercooling, etc.

[!-=sky=-!]

i m trying to figure out how to build a water cooling sys but i dunno where i should start, i live in hong kong so it would cost a lot for shippping
can u plz try to tell me everything that i need to buy and what i need to do to set it up?
i have read a few websites but i dun quite understand them

[iznogoud]

wadafuk is that bull...???!?! i mean i understand that u need to cry out , but im sorry, you've been very unlucky. be realistic, amd is not that bad at all.

[wild_andy_c]

castle lager fan (Jun 20, 2001 01:30 a.m.):
Hi wild_andy_c

The guy is having a tough time and frustrated. Give some slack. Lets rather see if we can help? I'm sure it's not easy with watercooling, etc.

...Preciseley - what I'm saying here is to perhaps slow down and take abreast of the situation. Take a step back, analyse calmly. Not the big ballsout!!!

kewl!

[wild_andy_c]

iznogoud (Jun 20, 2001 06:42 a.m.):
wadafuk is that bull...???!?! i mean i understand that u need to cry out , but im sorry, you've been very unlucky. be realistic, amd is not that bad at all.

language!! I'm not a Moderator however I do appreciate that there are some very young people that use this universal resource. As such bad language is frowned upon. Not all forums allow colorful language like the [H] forums. It is good to remember that.

[Fiz]

He is just venting out somefrustration, I have had many days where I yelled some colorful things about both od my Athlon machines. LOL. Nontheless, I am sorry to hear that you are having such trouble with your machine, I know what thats like, in fact, I think everyone here knows what it's like. However, I have read some of your other posts and stuff, perhaps you could repost your probs into one thread so we can all have a look abd try to get this beast up and runnin, don't give up beause you are angry, if we all did that, we would probably all own Dell or Gateway. LOL :) Good luck

Fiz

[TranceBear]

I read alot of your posts cause of his high numbers, then they disappeared for awhile, when you came back you got a bit "pissy"with anybody who tried to help you. In fact you seemed not to take anybody's advice. I seen this coming. It seemed you wanted instant results. I hope that now you may see it takes time and research to to what you are trying. This is not a slam at all Reticule, just some advice I hope you take. Don't get so nasty with people who try to help you, if not, enjoy INTEL. Good Luck!

[ReTiCuLeX]

Sorry for the language I apoligize to you all Iam just fustrated with this and I been trying to get all the help I can get I just wan't the darn machine to run not even overclocked now at least until I get it runing stable.All it is ,is a big headche.Im sorry what I said about intel my personal opionion Intel owns Amd but I got like this crappy Dell machine which feels like a 486 its 1.4ghz p4 and I hate it cause it runs slow.....thats why I bought a Amd machine in the first place I figured omg more for the money I was like wow and I can overclock it but then as time wen't on I kept messing with my Amd and it messed up and I droped a screw driver in my machine while it was on lmfao. The comp was off however still geting power to it and I destroyed my MSI K7T266 pro that day,I figured no biggy I wen't to the store and got another MSI mobo same 1 and I had the problems Iam having now with my ASUS A7M266 mobo.The guy in the store just wan'ts to ring my neck for bringing back those mobos lol he chanrged my dad 25% restocking fee its really 15% but he said u breaka u breaka to many now you pay.If you all can help me with my Amd I apreciate it I can't afford intel its a reality and my Amd is just fine just I gota stop all these crashing problems.Btw to all of you with the language Iam 15 myself and sorry for the misbehavior.Thx guys for all the support.


ReTiCuLeX G)Ds (John)

[ReTiCuLeX]

Any one think its my hard drive by chance ? cause it crashes in games and when I click internet explorer 5.5 then surf the web I get a blue screen then I press enter and it exits my internet can this be my harddrive I tried a new ethernet card,My sound blaster card I tried in every PCI slot just about I don't think its that also plz read my apoligy 1 post up :-).

[iznogoud]

i apologize for the language, next time ill think twice bfore writing that. ;)

[el]

Well if you hate them so much you want to sell them? hehhe. I think you may have a bad mobo! Did you wear an ESD strap when you were putting your computer together? you can feel a shock of 3000volts it only takes 3-5volts to damage somethings on your mobo.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Nope I don't have a ESD Strap lol Can't find 1 where I live radioshack dont have it either.I doubt I broke the mobo thoe it works fine.I think its my harddrive or cpu not sure thoe all I know is for some reason it was working ok at 900mhz,weird.At regular speed 1.2Ghz 266fsb it would run but when I startup would say I have overclocked my cpu and it said to set it at rite speed but it is at rite speed damn!

[Shep]

Did you try a different power supply it may be mess up after you fried the first board...Just a thought

[thefly]

Ya man, i here you on having problems with machines and getting a little wild with them. I was working on this pos ASUS av7 mobo system with a 750 tb in it. I struggled to get the system stable and moaned about it a fair bit. But, I'll tell you one thing, the board was not the problem, it was the bios rev. Once it was flashed up to a newer bios the system became like a ROCK! It's solid and runs super fast. So, don't stress to much. Go slowly and you'll get it.
When i get upset with a machine, i head to the gym and get a good workout in. Then I come back to the problem much calmer and ready to give it an other try.

Damn can computers be frustrating at times. If you solve the problem you'll feel great. Plus you'll have added to your knowledge.

[ReTiCuLeX]

I flashed the Bios . I belive its my CPU its cracked and messed err = (

[AZZKICKER]

sounds like your young, and dumb to me ( we all been there)

first off breaking 2 amd's

i have had a duron 600/t bird 850/t bird 950 and a t bird 1.2 axia

have tired 50 differnt heatsinks on them doing testing

i never use a shim and i have NEVER broke one

a slight chip on the duron corner but sstill works ( i put the stock POS heatsink on it)

sounds to me you have no clue what your doing and you dont realize ( well maybe now) how fragile cpu's are

intel suck

im running this 1.2 axia @ 1450 on a abit board

runs like a rock

lets see been 9 days sence last reboot

last intel system i had ( running asus boards too and mushkin ram and a g force ) and it was the most UNSTABLE machine in the world i think

intel aint got nothing anymore......because they let there $$$$ go to there heads and now dont care about the customer and they dont perform worth a ****

dont knock AMD

[AZZKICKER]

Shep (Jun 20, 2001 11:29 a.m.):
Did you try a different power supply it may be mess up after you fried the first board...Just a thought


first off a t bird 900 or bigger WILL NEED A 350 or higher Power supply
i got a 600 watter and solved ALL my problem

im one of the pioneers that discovered just how important power supplys are with AMD's

enough venting fo me too

he kind of pissed in my cheerios

dood for real get more power
get a damn shim

just chill out about the best CPU on the planet

[UnseenMenace]

So sorry to hear you feel that way, I hope things improve greatly for you however I personally would consider that your DDR equipped mobo has more chance of being the problem than any AMD cpu, as a great deal of people including myself run overclocked AMD,s which are exceptionally stable.
Your Asus A7M266 mobo features the AMD 760 chipset which is known to have problems ( there is a article on the front of overclockers.com )
DDR is a new technology and the chipsets required on these types of mobos are not currently mature, which you should have been aware of when making your choice and may be problematic which has been discussed many times in these forums, There is currently a choice to be made.. performance (DDR) or known reliability (SDRAM).
I also notice that you have your system overclocked, during a review of this mobo on toms hardware that can be found Here (http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q1/010314/amd760-07.html) the following statement was made "Overclocking enthusiasts who refrain from soldering-work might as well forget about using these boards."

Pehaps your problems are the video stability issues on this imature chipset or the fact that the mobo may not be suitable for overclocking, but I doubt it has anything to do with AMD

[ReTiCuLeX]

Unseen its not overclocked if u read my posts it was like 2 weeks ago.Ty for your help thoe and every 1 else.=]

[gdog]

Right so heres the checklist.

1)try a GOOD QUALITY power supply, like an antec or a macron, and make sure its amd approved.
2)Use the clear cmos jumper on your motherboard and run at default settings, changing one thing at a time, till u get instability.
3)Do a full format and reinstall windows at stock speed and voltage.Then when all your drivers are in overclock.
4)Make sure your ram is upto the job.

[ReTiCuLeX]

I got AOPEN box with a named brand power supply forgot the name its amd certified Box but the powersupply i duno but its brand new 300 watt so Now I got 2 power supplys wow I can add w00t lol.
Im gona try new hardrive AMD said to and new ram even thoe I just got new ram lmfao.im gona try what u say thoe 1st :-)

[AZZKICKER]

dood power problems cause ALL KINDS OF STUFF

=)

[Greybeard49]

I've got a ASUS A7V133 with a 1.2G, had the same problem as you. Did not recognize chip, said it was a 900M. I tried soft menu but that caused it to crash. Eventually I went to jumper mode and now everything is fine. Except for the temps anyway.

[ReTiCuLeX]

see but with my Motherboard grey I will have to solder the dip switch on = ( but I will eventually.btw azzkiker I just put 2 power supplys in my comp I put 1 for just my cpu Nothing else 300watt, then I put another 1 on top of my case 235 watts AT and I let that one run my CD rom, hard drive,Floppy drive,Globalwin WBK38 Fan/heatsink. I hope this works out good I just reformated for the 8th time in 1 week wow lol.

[Cowtown]

Well I would definately point my finger at the power supply. Not only do the Athlons pull juice like you wouldn't believe, it's not really the other peripherals that is the problem it's that GeForce 3 you have in there. Ditch the 300W, drop in at least a 350W, perferably a good one (I like Enermax because of the extra fans) but if you can get a 400W or larger. I bet that and not dropping stuff on your motherboard ;) will probably go a long way to fixing your issues. And to be honest I really struggle to understand how any of this is AMD's fault at all...

[ReTiCuLeX]

Well I was just upset in that post about amd and I did apoligize if you read.Also If I do get a power supply it will definetly 500watts enermax or sparkle.:-) thx for the help every one.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Aww man after 10mins of gaming all of a sudden it froze = ( no blue screen. Any one have an idea what it is = ( iam so fustrated I tryed the impossible almost.

[Wega!]

What are ur temps when u get these crashes?

[UnseenMenace]

Could this be the same problem ?.. another Asus DDR owner with freezing ?

http://forums.overclockers.ws/forums/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=2&TID=20685&P=1&SID=19678#ID3

[ReTiCuLeX]

CPU Temps are always around 37c idle and 39,40c load and my mobo temps are 28c always .If I didn't have my house hold 12 inch fan on top of my box blowing air it would be like 42c idle 46load these are my cpus temps,and my mobo would have 38c.I hope I can get all this fixed im trying to gather some cash for the Abit KG7 Board it looks sick and Ive heard alot less problems with people with abit boards then asus and msi etc..... If you guys can help me find the problem that would be great ill tell my dad asap what it is and will buy what ever I need. Its not my hard drive, I ran a thorugh scan disk and it had no bad sectors or anything just minor errors that it fixed :-), Maybe its my video card cause I droped a screw driver to my geforce3 to my motherboard when the comp was off but not totaly off.Maybe that hurt my vid card im 2 lazy to put my geforce 2 in here but I guess I gota try it,I tried new ram still does it.

[Breadfan]

Try a bigger P/S, also, generic 300w jobs can sometiems be pretty poor in quality.

I understand you may have been unlucky, but I think if you have bad chips from AMD thats the case. I've built numerous AMD systems and they are all "pretty" stable. They require tweaking for best, but all in all not major problems yet.

Also, if you broke the cores don't blame AMD, yes perhaps they need to make the cores stronger, but just becuase a chip malfunctions b/c the user chipped the core...well thats not really an AMD defect.

Keep workin' at it though, you'll hopefully find something thatll make changes.

Mike

[ReTiCuLeX]

Its not generic its AOPEN 300watt power supply and I have an extra power supply 225 AT for my hard drive and CD rom,floppy,Fans.

[Wega!]

Have u tried the good old "Format C:"?

[ReTiCuLeX]

Ive tried good old format c: about hmm 5-10 times this week.Willy if you can read my other post I just posted with moding the asus board so far I think I got my mobo stable I installed the 686B patch for my mobo.

[supraway]

Now, don't get mad when I say this... but how much experience do you have with computers? I'm only 18, but I have worked as a computer technician for about 7 months now. It sounds like you may have rushed into building your own computer and may have missed something. My recommendation would be to totally dissasemble your computer, start from scratch, and read all your manuals. Format your hard drive, and start with a clean installation of Windows 98 SE or Windows 2000 Professional. My other recommendation would be to take it to a professional shop.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Supra I did all that.I took my comp to 2 shops and they duno wtf there doing they can't even find the problem but.... the problem seems to be solved now I think.I haven't got a blue screen yet and only 1 lock up during gaming.Btw my experiance with computers building them has been 2 yrs since im 13yrs old I been building comps ,fixing them etc...I don't know everything but I do know alot.Thx for your help its apreciated dearly.

ReTiCuLeX G)Ds

[supraway]

Great! Hopefully it stays that way. If you ever need any help, just drop a post, I jump on every once in a while.

[ReTiCuLeX]

okey dokey ty.

[theflyingrat]

Something to say about random freezes : Check your IRQ sharing in Windows (if you happen to use it). win98 especially has some problems with piling too many peripherals on one IRQ...the second 3 or 4 of them need the same IRQ and don't want to share like nice hardware devices - BANG! Instant freezes. If you haven't come by a viable solution by this point, NEVER discount things like mice, keyboards, Network cards, etc. from the picture - I've seen external and PCI devices do some strange things before. The last thing you ever think about is probably the source of your problems, especially with the luck you seem to be having! Good luck with the fix, man! Remember, no pain, no gain!

[ReTiCuLeX]

Well how can I fix the irq sharing in windows 98 ?!

[ReTiCuLeX]

I keep geting this error when I surf the web on IE

IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in
module MSHTML.DLL at 017f:7010928b.
Registers:
EAX=004419a4 CS=017f EIP=7010928b EFLGS=00250202
EBX=00000001 SS=0187 ESP=0058d420 EBP=0058d53c
ECX=01a69380 DS=0187 ESI=004419a4 FS=29c7
EDX=00000000 ES=0187 EDI=01a6a75c GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 43 8b 46 14 25 ff 00 00 29 83 f8 0f 75 37 f6
Stack dump:
004419a4 01a69380 70109245 00000000 01a6a75c 00000001 7010922b 00000000 00000000 701098d7 00000000 00000000 00000000 01a81574 00000001 70109119

[Paul -The Mad Hatter]

ReTiCuLeX (Jun 21, 2001 06:20 p.m.):
Well how can I fix the irq sharing in windows 98 ?!

control panel>system>device manager>click on whatever device>resources>unclick "automatic config"> interuppt request>change setting

you will also need to fiddle in the bios w/ the option of of "pnp os installed" (or somthing like that)

even after that some devices are stubborn and won't let you change there irq, so you have to phisicly move them.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Thx for the help paul dog.

ReTiCuLeX G)Ds

[ReTiCuLeX]

Aww man it still freezes in my games when I play I was able to cntrl alt delete out of it and play again,its probally my videocard but I just got it recently like 3 weeks ago why is it doing this err I tried diff drivers ,tried lowering graphics aperture and fast rites.

[ReTiCuLeX]

How come at 900mhz it works fine any one know ? At 1.2ghz the real speed it freezes up and stuff, btw my cpu core is cracked slightly on both edges of the core not big cracks just nicked lil pices on both sides off maybe thats why it dont run rite ? O well my only hope is my 1.4Ghz that is on its way in the mail.

ReTiCuLe G)Ds

[Ferg]

ReTiCuLeX (Jun 20, 2001 09:14 a.m.):
Sorry for the language I apoligize to you all Iam just fustrated with this and I been trying to get all the help I can get I just wan't the darn machine to run not even overclocked now at least until I get it runing stable.All it is ,is a big headche.Im sorry what I said about intel my personal opionion Intel owns Amd but I got like this crappy Dell machine which feels like a 486 its 1.4ghz p4 and I hate it cause it runs slow.....thats why I bought a Amd machine in the first place I figured omg more for the money I was like wow and I can overclock it but then as time wen't on I kept messing with my Amd and it messed up and I droped a screw driver in my machine while it was on lmfao. The comp was off however still geting power to it and I destroyed my MSI K7T266 pro that day,I figured no biggy I wen't to the store and got another MSI mobo same 1 and I had the problems Iam having now with my ASUS A7M266 mobo.The guy in the store just wan'ts to ring my neck for bringing back those mobos lol he chanrged my dad 25% restocking fee its really 15% but he said u breaka u breaka to many now you pay.If you all can help me with my Amd I apreciate it I can't afford intel its a reality and my Amd is just fine just I gota stop all these crashing problems.Btw to all of you with the language Iam 15 myself and sorry for the misbehavior.Thx guys for all the support.


ReTiCuLeX G)Ds (John)

All i got to say is your a spoiled little brat. I have to buy my stuff myself. I have parts in my computer that are 4 years old, my video card is 4 and hard drive is 3, but i still spent about a month and it finally works and it works great now. It may not be the fastest rig but for 400 bucks its great, but you **** me off. 1.4 Ghz isnt enough for you, what the hell is wrong with you?

[ReTiCuLeX]

Ferg you have no buisness saying that all I got to say is go f--k your self k take my advice it works well.Btw you must not be able to read I put I sent back my 1.4 k cause it was broke out of box and to top it off I cracked core also so read b4 u type k thx.And my processor only works at 900mhz my 1.2 and thats all i have so stfu k thx, sorry if I offend any one other then ferg.

[ReTiCuLeX]

O yea thats my p4 woops btw my dad uses that one not me so f off plz ferg

[castle lager fan]

Hey guys!! Come on. The behaviour and language is not up to spec. I'm not interested in reading about this. Can we rather try to get the rigs running fast. This is supposed to be a constructive board not about personal BS with each other!

Have you got your 1.4 yet?

[castle lager fan]

Try running MBM5 when you test your machine.

This will give you the voltage on the mobo for your core and IO. It will aslo give you high and low temps. Its not always accurate, but if you go to the high/low log it gives you the highest and lowest as well as average of the system for temp and voltage. Start MBM5 then run prime 95 and see what the voltage and temps are, then also tart madonion 3dmark2001/0 and see the voltage and temps. Then post the high/low and average for CPU temp(sensor2), system temp(sensor3), core voltage(1), IO voltage(2), 5V, 3.3V and 12V. I want to see what it does.

I specifically got a 650W enermax and MC462 too minimize these variances.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Yep I think its my PSU I dissconnected my 2nd PSU and got a blue screen alrdy I think its a power problem CPU and stuff Draws to many watts.

[AZZKICKER]

have you tryed upping th I/o voltage a little

[ReTiCuLeX]

As a matter of a fact I did lol = (

[krakkat]

here's what to do. take a sledgehammer and beat the living daylights out og the computer. then go into hibernationa f ew months until the palamino comes out. build a palamino system. i bet better luck with that lol

[ReTiCuLeX]

Sounds good to me lol I wish but I don't think ill be geting another comp until Xmas.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Argh even at 900 it still freezes just takes a lil longer to freeze gives me like an extra 15mins of gaming at 900mhz lol.

[ReTiCuLeX]

I duno what to do any more it still freezes up like crazy I can't stop it from freezing up does any one have any last suggestions ? My dad is very pist at me that it won't work and all the money he spent on it.

[Wega!]

In one of ur earlier post's u said that some of the chip was broken off. If u should put a number(%) on how much that was gone, how much would that be?

[ReTiCuLeX]

say about 15% of the chip is cracked on the edges of the core not to bad thoe.I just convinced my dad to get me Abit KG7 but I gota work my ass off he says lol laundry,dishes,floors,backyard.etc..... wish me luck lol.Any ways I hope I can get this comp working it keeps freezing after like 20mins of playing its not my videocard guarenteed.Neither my ram,PSU,HD.

[Wega!]

Well, good luck! Just one more thing: What version of Direct X do u use?

[Tacoman667]

If at 900 it works fine but at 1.2 it's screwed up, try max vcore voltage. Then if it still screws up, try upping the IO voltage to 3.5.

[ReTiCuLeX]

im gona try that thanks.