Somebody broke into my home yesterday, should I buy a gun?

[c627627]

The cop I talked to about it says if you buy a gun, you better be ready to use it or it'll be used against you if you hesitate for a second.

[modenaf1]

im not sure. the cop is right though, are you willing to shoot anyone? If you buy a gun, you had better be willing, and youd better not hesitate, becuase if they have one, thye will see yours and boom. Also, one problem with not hesitating is it could be your room mate or something coming back from the grocerie store.

tell us a little about what happened. were you there when the guy broke in?

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by modenaf1
im not sure. the cop is right though, are you willing to shoot anyone? If you buy a gun, you had better be willing, and youd better not hesitate, becuase if they have one, thye will see yours and boom.

Yup, that is why my dad is the only one in our house who has direct and unihibited access to our firearms, as he is more than willing to use 'em if need be, :)

[OSUmaxx]

Probably not. I've grown up around guns and feel extremely comfortable using them, and I still don't keep one loaded for use. Are you an experienced gun handler? If not, before you even think about getting one, go down to a range and take lessons (or however you want to do it) to learn how. The cop is right.

[sandman001]

If you are comfortable aroudn them, and you HAVE TO USE IT when the time comes. If you don't shoot, and shoot to kill; you could end up dead.

I've grown up around guns, and in our house there is always a .45 locked and loaded.

[repo man11]

If you weren't home, any firearms would probably have been stolen. Guns are top on any thieves want list.

I grew up around guns as well, I was shooting a .22 rifle when I was seven. I live in a rural area, and if someone starts beating on my door late at night, they will be greeted by me and my 12 guage shotgun.

But the chances of my ever needing to use one of my firearms to defend myself are pretty low. Lower than the chances of someone breaking in when I'm at work and stealing them.

Defending yourself is one thing. In most of the country you are only safe in shooting an intruder if you are immediately threatened (that is, feel your life is in danger). If he sees the gun and runs away, you are risking a manslaughter charge if you shoot. Even if he is holding your property as he runs away.

No one here can really tell you if you should buy a gun. Only you can make that decision.

But one point the NRA have made many times is that there are no statistics for the number of times each year a crime is not comitted because a law abiding person kept a potential thief, rapist, etc. at bay by having a firearm.

[modenaf1]

The closest i have to a gun and i probably ever will have is a BB gun. It's extremely realistic looking. When i was younger i was afraid of being home alone, and i kept that with me, i probably should not have becuase if someone did break in while i was their, I probably would have received a bullet and the person who broke in probably would receive a BB to the chest. If i was lucky hed probably receive a BB to the balls, but still, either way i think they win. So, anyways, repo man was right, that should be your descision, buying a gun could make a sitiation hundreds of times worse, and yet, in the hands of the proper person it could help the situation. You gotta know yourself and what you will do, I know i will never be able to handle a gun and i never intend on getting one. IMHO, id rather be able to flee and call 911 or soemthing from another house or tell the guy not to hurt me and take whatever the hell he wants, rather than killing the person, or getting killed myself.

-f1

[Beast Of Blight]

IMHO.

You shouldn't buy a gun, They are far to much of a liability.


However, you SHOULD buy a Co2 powered Pistol that looks realistic.


trust me, If someones breaking into your house and you pull a gun on them, their not going to take time to examine the gun to see if its a c02 or not.


You can also hollow out the points of the pellets and put a poison inside them, but I won't go into this. :sn:

[modenaf1]

Originally posted by Beast Of Blight
IMHO.

You shouldn't buy a gun, They are far to much of a liability.


However, you SHOULD buy a Co2 powered Pistol that looks realistic.


trust me, If someones breaking into your house and you pull a gun on them, their not going to take time to examine the gun to see if its a c02 or not.


You can also hollow out the points of the pellets and put a poison inside them, but I won't go into this. :sn:

well, only problem with this, is what if they already have their gun in hand and see you? all they are going to see is a weapon looking thing and BOOM unless you can injure them enough for them to go unconsiouce before thye can shoot.

[OSUmaxx]

Originally posted by Beast Of Blight


However, you SHOULD buy a Co2 powered Pistol that looks realistic.


trust me, If someones breaking into your house and you pull a gun on them, their not going to take time to examine the gun to see if its a c02 or not.

Yeah, that way when they see you with a gun, they will shoot you with their real gun. Even if you put a pellet into them, pellets don't have much stopping power, so you'll probably be shot.

[c627627]

The cops were not too eager to take any finger prints. They just took pictures.

After they left, I discovered a CD case, not the plastic one, the card board one (Pink Floyd - pulse) on top of the VHS tapes inside a cabinet. My guess is, since they stole CDs, they took the Floyd CD case which was by the side of other CDs, placed it on top of the VHS tapes which they were going to take too, then had too leave in a hurry.

If they took that cardboard case by hand, can fingerprints be lifted off of it?

[modenaf1]

well from watching beverly hills cop II i kinda learned that you can put soemthing in like an aqaurium or a sealed container, and put super glue in there with the object and the fumes make the finger prints show up. not sure if that actually works though

[Beast Of Blight]

Originally posted by modenaf1


well, only problem with this, is what if they already have their gun in hand and see you? all they are going to see is a weapon looking thing and BOOM unless you can injure them enough for them to go unconsiouce before thye can shoot.

Originally posted by OSUmaxx


Yeah, that way when they see you with a gun, they will shoot you with their real gun. Even if you put a pellet into them, pellets don't have much stopping power, so you'll probably be shot.


And we all just KNOW your average burgler is just ready and rearing to blast your brains out and spray your blood over their naked body as they dance wildly into the night. :rolleyes:


Your average burgler is NOT going to be armed, and if so will NOT use the weapon.


Anyone that comes into your home with a weapon and is ready to use it, Was planning on killing you anyways weither you had a weapon or not. and most likely, weither you were awake or not.

[Top Hat Theater]

Buy a gun and learn to shoot someone in the leg/crotch/stomach is what I'd suggest. The most fatal of those three areas is the stomach and if you call 911 immediately after shooting the person, there's a very good chance they'll survive. They'll be in a lot of pain but they'll survive. And don't go overboard. You won't need a 10mm Glock or a Desert Eagle. A standard 9mm should be plenty for the common thief to think about. Now if you lived in Afghanistan/Iraq, it'd be a different story.

~THT

[modenaf1]

Originally posted by Top Hat Theater
Buy a gun and learn to shoot someone in the leg/crotch/stomach is what I'd suggest. The most fatal of those three areas is the stomach and if you call 911 immediately after shooting the person, there's a very good chance they'll survive. They'll be in a lot of pain but they'll survive. And don't go overboard. You won't need a 10mm Glock or a Desert Eagle. A standard 9mm should be plenty for the common thief to think about. Now if you lived in Afghanistan/Iraq, it'd be a different story.

~THT

just curiose, but in real life, does it really matter if its a .50 calliber desert eagle or a 9mm glock? i mean, if you get hit in the knee with a desert eagle its still gonna go crunch splatt just as much as a 9mm. i mean, unless they have body armer on does it matter? just curiose, becuase of the iraq statement. If you did live there and needed more firepower wouldnt it be more logicle to have something not as powerful but help more rounds in the clip vs. somthing very powerful but only held like 7?

[Top Hat Theater]

Well, a fifty cal slug in the gut will put a bigger hole in the stomach than a 9mm which might affect the liklihood of the thief surviving. And in a "safe" urban setting, you'd want more rounds in case he moves as you're shooting. Besides, shooting a weapon with as much power as a Desert Eagle or 10mm will have a good amount of recoil, affecting the aim of your next shot.

And if I lived in Iraq, I'd want something with more stopping power because there, armor is probably more accessible than here. Getting hit by a 9mm while wearing kevlar will knock the wind out of you and leave a bruise but the round will not enter your body. A .50 caliber Desert Eagle will punch through the body armor (as long as it isn't level 3, the stuff that bomb techs use w/ ceramic plates). That's how I see it. Then again, if I lived in Iraq, I'd probably opt for an SMG as they're also probably readily accessible.

~THT

[KaHNZa]

The Desert Eagle will do lots more damage. It'll likely blow your knee apart and never be able to walk right again. Wereas a 9mm isn't so devastating. ;)

[Top Hat Theater]

Well, aiming for the knee probably wouldn't be all that easy in the first place. When I said shoot for the leg, I meant go for the quad (the thigh). Because it's mostly muscle, it will be an excruciatingy painful recovery process which would teach the SOB a lesson or two. The other two areas are nice targets because they're fairly large and at a range of about 10 feet, they should be pretty easy to hit. Easy enough that Ray Charles with an MP5 could do it, lol.

~THT

[BaldHeadedDork]

No flame intended, but there are a lot of frightening answers here. Guys, this is serious business. If you don't have first-hand experience with what you are talking about, sit this one out.

There is a fundamental problem with using a gun for home defense. If you keep the gun in a manner that prevents an accidental shooting (unloaded and locked), you have nearly eliminated its potential use to defend yourself. If you need to get to a gun, chances are very, very good that you are going to need to get to it in a hurry. But if you store your gun loaded and unlocked to be prepared for a burglar, you put yourself at a far greater risk for an accidental shooting.

If you need to have something in your nightstand, I recommend a can of professional chemical or pepper spray. CapStun is the brand I've used and recommended for years. It is very effective.

But the most effective protection against burglary and home invasion is a dog. Surveys of convicted burglars and B&E's show a large barking dog is the by far what they fear the most. This needs to be said again: These people would rather take their chances with a homeowner they know is armed than a dog.

If you choose a gun, I recommend a pump-action 12ga loaded with double-ought shot. If you're not aware, double-ought shot is nine .32 caliber balls. It does a lot of damage and doesn't require pin-point accuracy like a slug round or pistol. The sound of chambering a round in a pump gun is a universal language, and it is loud enough to announce your presence and intentions before you encounter the burglar. Getting him to run is always better than a shootout. Because of its size, it is less likely that a pre-adolescent child would be able to chamber a round and load the gun. (Never, ever keep any gun in your home or on your person with a chambered round.)

More important than the model of gun is the ability to use it properly. I'm not talking about target practice. That's important but to defend your home from attack you have to learn how to look at your house the same way a cop would if he were sweeping it, and that is one of the most difficult and dangerous jobs in the world. If you come out of your bedroom and just march into the room where the bad guy is, you have a good chance of getting shot if the burglar is armed.




BHD

[Xaotic]

Talk to a firearms instructor, never attempt trick shots or wounding shots in heightened tension or combat situations. It's fine for movies, but doesn't work in real life. Center of mass is where you need to be aiming. The only good opponent is one that cannot harm you or your family.

Another thing to consider are the fact that you will not most likely be firing a single shot. Tension often results in multiple shots being fired. Misses can injure or kill innocent bystanders, since most bullets will not be stopped by walls.

Finally, there are legal implications in shooting to wound. You can be civilly sued for intentional maiming, which could have long term effects on your life.

repo man11 has it right. You have to decide what you are willing to do prior to the purchase of a weapon. The consequences can be dire. I own several weapons, but do not keep them at home due to small children. I have used a weapon as a deterrent effectively, but have never fired in a defensive situation.

As one of the police officers I used to know said, it's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

**Edit**
Posted at the same time as BHD and he makes excellent points.

[Captain Slug]

Guns simply aren't entirely useful in self defense situations unless you have the required practice. First, contact your local county sheriff's department and get the crime statistics for your area and use those to decide what you're trying to protect yourself against.

If it's petty theft I'd recommend simply getting a security system of some kind for your house.
If it's something more serious, then consider getting a firearm.

My family has 2 .22cal rifles and a .22cal aluminum semi-auto pistol and we all know where they are and how to use them.
My house in Tucson was broken into while me and my sister were still at home. It set off the alarm system and the perp quickly left. all we got were rattled nerves and a hole in the screen of our master bedroom window.

Also, how much time do you actually spend at home? If you're not there most of the time then a firearm isn't going to do you as much good as a security system.

[repo man11]

One thing I forgot to mention, is give yourself some time to think this through.
The sense of rage, the feeling of being violated and helpless when someone has invaded your home and stolen some of your property, is very powerful. I think you should give yourself some time to let this feeling pass before you do something that you might never have considered doing before this happened. A decision made when you are still in the heat of the moment might be one you regret in a few weeks or months. Or at least view as a silly waste of money.

Any firearm worth buying will set you back some cash. And the investment of time for learning to use it correctly.

[deathstar13]

Originally posted by BaldHeadedDork
No flame intended, but there are a lot of frightening answers here. Guys, this is serious business. If you don't have first-hand experience with what you are talking about, sit this one out.

There is a fundamental problem with using a gun for home defense. If you keep the gun in a manner that prevents an accidental shooting (unloaded and locked), you have nearly eliminated its potential use to defend yourself. If you need to get to a gun, chances are very, very good that you are going to need to get to it in a hurry. But if you store your gun loaded and unlocked to be prepared for a burglar, you put yourself at a far greater risk for an accidental shooting.

If you need to have something in your nightstand, I recommend a can of professional chemical or pepper spray. CapStun is the brand I've used and recommended for years. It is very effective.

But the most effective protection against burglary and home invasion is a dog. Surveys of convicted burglars and B&E's show a large barking dog is the by far what they fear the most. This needs to be said again: These people would rather take their chances with a homeowner they know is armed than a dog.

If you choose a gun, I recommend a pump-action 12ga loaded with double-ought shot. If you're not aware, double-ought shot is nine .32 caliber balls. It does a lot of damage and doesn't require pin-point accuracy like a slug round or pistol. The sound of chambering a round in a pump gun is a universal language, and it is loud enough to announce your presence and intentions before you encounter the burglar. Getting him to run is always better than a shootout. Because of its size, it is less likely that a pre-adolescent child would be able to chamber a round and load the gun. (Never, ever keep any gun in your home or on your person with a chambered round.)

More important than the model of gun is the ability to use it properly. I'm not talking about target practice. That's important but to defend your home from attack you have to learn how to look at your house the same way a cop would if he were sweeping it, and that is one of the most difficult and dangerous jobs in the world. If you come out of your bedroom and just march into the room where the bad guy is, you have a good chance of getting shot if the burglar is armed.




BHD

i highley agree with bhd on alot he says.
especially the gun choice,for home defence.

if you havent been around guns most your life,and without much experiance.id say try pepper spray.

ive been raised with guns and carried them alot in my life.some legaly in my home ,some not so legal in my vehical.
i felt i had a reason since id sometimes carry alot of cash and be driving late at night 30miles to and from work.

i had one ocasion were i was followed to my car after payday after leaving a strip club by 3 men.i had just enough time once in my car to get my 45 semi-auto cocked.the men stopped 3 feet from my door and did nothing.didnt even see the gun i dont think as i held it down below window level.i was able to leave unattacked but the gun just about cost me several possable years in the pen had i needed to use it.even tho it was self defense.
and trust me i wouldnt hesitate on the trigger if needed.
but to shoot or not to shoot is a fine line and i didnt like trying to figure that out,so i no longer carry one in a car now.

i know thats kinda off subject,but i wanted to relate just the feelings involved in shooting someone,in self defense.

in my home we keep a 12guage w/double ought buck close to our front door.never been used and hopefully stays that way.

[Ducker]

If you choose a gun, I recommend a pump-action 12ga loaded with double-ought shot.

I agree, in a situation where it may be dark & close range there is no better choice! If you do choice to get a gun, get some serious training & practice with it. That in it's self could save yours & someone else's life. Many people have guns, but that doesn,t mean they understand them or know how to handle them and use them effectively. Myself, I've grown up around them and hunted with them all my life. I've shot competively and also know a thing or two about gunsmithing. There's nothing I have in my house that I'd take another person's life over (a sawed off 12 gauge shotgun & 00 buck at close range equals dead!), but if they were threatning my family, there history! Like BaldHeadedDork said, The sound of chambering a round in a pump gun is a universal language so they know right off that it's time to leave. Once they're out of your house call 911 & let the police handle it.

[L337 M33P]

There was a case in Britain recently when a farmer shot and accidentally killed with a shotgun a teenager breaking into his home. The case was well publicised and highlighted "should homeowners defend themselves and their property?". It is illegal to own any sort of firearm in the UK unless you have a licence for it, and those can only be got if you are a member of the armed forces (for handguns and SMGs) or proof that you need to control vermin on your land (rifles only, usually). The farmer owned the gun legally but the burglar was unarmed - only had a crowbar. The farmer shot the guy in the back, and his accomplice fled.

The outcome of the trial was that the farmer dude had comitted murder, but on appeal it was reduced to manslaughter and he spent about 3 years inside, he was released a couple of months ago.

The point is that unless you were in a life-threatening situation where the guy was coming at you with a crowbar swinging wildly, shooting him is manslaughter and killing him is murder. Think about that before buying a firearm as it can put you away for some time if you use it inappropriately. I too would suggest something less than lethal, pepper spray or a baseball bat under the bed.

Oh, and it's no good if you are not at home. Fit a decent security system too.

[Ducker]

a life-threatening situation where the guy was coming at you with a crowbar swinging wildly, shooting him is manslaughter and killing him is murder.

I disagree. That would be self defence, not manslaughter or murder.


*Edit*
Sorry L337 M33P, I think I may have misunderstood your post.

[L337 M33P]

Hence the "unless" at the start of the sentence ;)

no problemo :)

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Top Hat Theater
Buy a gun and learn to shoot someone in the leg/crotch/stomach is what I'd suggest. The most fatal of those three areas is the stomach and if you call 911 immediately after shooting the person, there's a very good chance they'll survive. They'll be in a lot of pain but they'll survive. And don't go overboard. You won't need a 10mm Glock or a Desert Eagle. A standard 9mm should be plenty for the common thief to think about. Now if you lived in Afghanistan/Iraq, it'd be a different story.

~THT

Thats not a good idea, if you are Forced to shoot, you shoot center mass and you shoot to kill, ALWAYS

I've had my fair share of close encounters.

One example was an Armed Home invader that I captured until the police arrived. The Police were in awe that I didn't shoot him, but I had options. Shooting him was not needed, but I would have without blinking an eye if I had no other choice.

Shooting someone is not as easy as you may think, many people may think they can, but they hesitate and having a firearm in a hesitant persons hands could be a death sentence.

The reason I say you never shoot to wound is two-fold, one bullets kill by trauma and primarily blood loss, any hunter will tell you if you shoot then game in a non vital area, you will probably lose what you shot, the same goes for humans, and if a human is influence by drugs, they are still a thread even if wounded.

There was a doctor locally that shot a burglar in his house, and the Doctor claimed he was armed. The weapon was a knife from the doctors Kitchen, somehow his prints were not on the knife or they were unrecognizable, the Burglar was shot in the leg and Ultimately sued the Doctor for a sizable sum of money.

I don't know what the jury was thinking but it was crazy.

So Shoot center Mass only like I said if you have NO choice

[Ducker]

Thats not a good idea, if you are Forced to shoot, you shoot center mass and you shoot to kill, ALWAYS

Excellent advice! Like my first firearms instructor told me (my dad), "Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot." And that goes doubly for people. Because they can & will if able, shoot back!!! And like has been stated several times in this thread, for home protection, use a shotgun.

[sandman001]

Originally posted by Ducker


Excellent advice! Like my first firearms instructor told me (my dad), "Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot." And that goes doubly for people. Because they can & will if able, shoot back!!! And like has been stated several times in this thread, for home protection, use a shotgun.

I agree, except I would use buckshot.

[Ducker]

I agree, except I would use buckshot.

A sawed off shotgun & 00 buck means a funeral every time! If you do use a sawed off shotgun, make sure it's within the legal limits. The barrel must be at least 18 or 18 & 1/2" in length. I don't remember for sure, but I'm pretty sure it's 18".

[Beast Of Blight]

I own a single barreled pump action 12g, I am EXTREMLY good with it.

I used to shoot skeet, and I havn't missed one yet. :cool:

[c627627]

Back on my topic pls:

Originally posted by c627627
The cops were not too eager to take any finger prints. They just took pictures.

After they left, I discovered a CD case, not the plastic one, the card board one (Pink Floyd - pulse) on top of the VHS tapes inside a cabinet. My guess is, since they stole CDs, they took the Floyd CD case which was by the side of other CDs, placed it on top of the VHS tapes which they were going to take too, then had too leave in a hurry.

If they took that cardboard case by hand, can fingerprints be lifted off of it?

[modenaf1]

Originally posted by modenaf1
well from watching beverly hills cop II i kinda learned that you can put soemthing in like an aqaurium or a sealed container, and put super glue in there with the object and the fumes make the finger prints show up. not sure if that actually works though

[BaldHeadedDork]

Originally posted by c627627
Back on my topic pls:

The cops were not too eager to take any finger prints. They just took pictures.

After they left, I discovered a CD case, not the plastic one, the card board one (Pink Floyd - pulse) on top of the VHS tapes inside a cabinet. My guess is, since they stole CDs, they took the Floyd CD case which was by the side of other CDs, placed it on top of the VHS tapes which they were going to take too, then had too leave in a hurry.

If they took that cardboard case by hand, can fingerprints be lifted off of it?


Sorry, I thought your topic was should you buy a gun.

Anyways, no. Your best shot for useable prints come from hard surfaces like glass, painted wood and metal. Soft and coarse surfaces are notoriously difficult for retaining useable prints.

A plastic CD case wouldn't be much better because it's going to have your fingerprints all over it, too. A crime scene tech will look for something the bad guy has touched that you don't. The most common site is the point of entry.

This is going to **** you off, but a textbook burglary investigation isn't going to be like what you see on television. Getting a good print from a burglary is a longshot. If you get one, you have to match it. Even with computerized fingerprint databases now online in most states, the caseload is such that you cannot tie up the system to track down someone who steals CD's.

There are better ways to work those cases. You can help by taking a list of your missing discs to every business in town that buys used CD's and DVD's.





BHD

[Beast Of Blight]

and fingerprints are only good for a short while after their made.

after that they kinda, well... evaporate would be the most appropriate term I guess

[c627627]

Yes it is, actually I'm sorry about that. I have a hard time accepting the fact that I can't do anything about it so that’s why I was clinging on to the finger print way to solve this.

I now believe that somebody saw me leave the apartment and executed the whole thing in minutes while someone else stood guard.

Special thanks to BaldHeadedDork, I was going to start calling the CD places, but fax is an excellent idea as I have the names of my CDs in a text file anyway and can fax them from my computer easily.

Big thank you for that although the cop said that they usually "sell CDs to their friends..."


Everyone be alert of your surroundings as you leave your homes. Simple look around you will be enough to cause doubt in anyone thinking about breaking in. They go in & out in minutes and never come back to the scene of the crime.

[modenaf1]

Originally posted by c627627



Everyone be alert of your surroundings as you leave your homes. Simple look around you will be enough to cause doubt in anyone thinking about breaking in. They go in & out in minutes and never come back to the scene of the crime.

sorry to threadjack your thread again c627627, but also, always look around to see if anyone is camped out by your car as well, i have heard that they actually have things that pickup the freqeuncy of the remote entry device and use that to break into a car.

[Crash893]

I think i would get a gun if i lived by myself or my GF but right now i live in a town house with 3( larry moe currely ) other roomates

i would be to affraid of shooting one of them coming into the house after a night shfit

or if one of them gets drunk as a skunk and forgets his keys and trys to break in threw a window

or missing and drilling one of my neigbors kids in bed or something horrible. (townhouse)


but in all honesty thats why i got one of these

http://www.ancientedge.com/images_products/62_big.jpg

and all ninja jokes aside
ive take a few class's with this and its very easy disable someone from about 10-15 feet quick as a flash and its also very intimidateing


Originally posted by BaldHeadedDork

Sorry, I thought your topic was should you buy a gun.

Anyways, no. Your best shot for useable prints come from hard surfaces like glass, painted wood and metal. Soft and coarse surfaces are notoriously difficult for retaining useable prints.

A plastic CD case wouldn't be much better because it's going to have your fingerprints all over it, too. A crime scene tech will look for something the bad guy has touched that you don't. The most common site is the point of entry.

This is going to **** you off, but a textbook burglary investigation isn't going to be like what you see on television. Getting a good print from a burglary is a longshot. If you get one, you have to match it. Even with computerized fingerprint databases now online in most states, the caseload is such that you cannot tie up the system to track down someone who steals CD's.

There are better ways to work those cases. You can help by taking a list of your missing discs to every business in town that buys used CD's and DVD's.





BHD


I think you may not be 100% right on this

as long as teh cd case wasnt completely covered in fingerprints im sure a good finger print tech could make out a few finger prints
and since they know one set is good they can just eliminate it

the only time that would be a real problem would be for like a door knob or a door bell something anyone can touch.

the rest is dead on
first rule i learned in college if something goes missing just make a swing by every pawnshope in a 10 mile radius and your about 75% certian to find it ( just make sure you can prove its yours)

[Beast Of Blight]

Shinobi :sn:

[sandman001]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crash893
[B]


but in all honesty thats why i got one of these

http://www.ancientedge.com/images_products/62_big.jpg

OMFG, how much was it?

[shiyan]

wouldn't it all be easier if the US just banned guns all together? it's not like there are grizzly bears and wolves roaming the cities at night like the pioneering days...

[c627627]

Big no to that one. It's in the constitution. It will prevent what happened in Bosnia and Rwanda from happening here.

An arms embargo was imposed on Bosnia where civilians were slaughtered for almost four years by people armed by neighboring countries who already had weapons. Genocide in Bosnia and Rwanda is what happens when UN and the 'no war' lobby take over.

Not the police, not the UN will protect you when society breaks down.
It may not happen in our life time but arms will be the only thing standing between your family and those who break through your door if society breaks down because of political or natural disaster reasons.

[shiyan]

that's a good point! I never thought of it that way.

[Ducker]

[QUOTE]Not the police, not the UN will protect you when society breaks down. It may not happen in our life time but arms will be the only thing standing between your family and those who break through your door if society breaks down because of political or natural disaster reasons.[QUOTE]

:clap: You got that right!!!! :clap:

[BaldHeadedDork]

Originally posted by c627627
An arms embargo was imposed on Bosnia where civilians were slaughtered for almost four years by people armed by neighboring countries who already had weapons. Genocide in Bosnia and Rwanda is what happens when UN and the 'no war' lobby take over.


Before this gets locked-and it will get locked if it continues on this course-you don't know what you're talking about. The genocide in Bosnia stopped after the UN and NATO came in. The UN never went into Rwanda until after the worst of the bloodletting. Rwanda is today looked over by a Pan-African peacekeeping force. When that force was finally assembled and put into place, the butchering stopped.

Come correct.




BHD

[Frodo Baggins]

god, come to Canada

nuff said

[c627627]

This thread will not be locked because I PM'd you with an explanation instead of engaging you in a political discussion in the thread itself. My hope is that you can edit your post or retract it after all the facts are presented to you in a PM.

The views in my post are exactly the same as the views held by State Department Heads of Desks for the areas in question at the time genocides occurred there.

Some of them quit their top government posts in protest, that's how correct they are.

[Crash893]

Originally posted by sandman001
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crash893
[B]



OMFG, how much was it?

165 usd much much cheaper than a gun and anyone can have one.

28 inch blade
39 inch over all
clay tempared for a 60/40 split in the rwh scale
( its cheap becuase they dont spend alot of money on facncy fittings)

[sandman001]

Originally posted by Crash893


165 usd much much cheaper than a gun and anyone can have one.

28 inch blade
39 inch over all
clay tempared for a 60/40 split in the rwh scale
( its cheap becuase they dont spend alot of money on facncy fittings)

Looks nice, but I disagree on you that it s cheaper than any gun.

you can get a decent 12ga pump for just a little bit more, and you can pick up a 10/22 for a little over 100. I think mine was 109 bucks.

[Crash893]

true

but you can order this in the mail and have it handed to you with out a permit

both have advantages and disadvatages

[Caffinehog]

Originally posted by repo man11
If you weren't home, any firearms would probably have been stolen. Guns are top on any thieves want list.


Yes, but here's a solution: Put up a note that says, "To whom it may concern: These firearms are partially disassembled and are not operational. The parts are not here. Don't bother looking for them." whether it's true or not.

Of course, this does not apply to a self-defense weapon. And it doesn't deter everyone.

And PLEASE never leave a loaded weapon in your house. Keep a full magazine or a speed loader. Leaving a loaded weapon lying around is more dangerous than risking being shot by a robber. And don't say that using the safety will make it safe. Safetys fail, and they're easy to bump off. And it doesn't take any longer to slip in a magazine or use a speed loader than to take off a safety, and you're more likely to forget that the safety is on than you are to forget to put ammo in.

[Ducker]

If you weren't home, any firearms would probably have been stolen. Guns are top on any thieves want list.

A gun safe solves that problem, and many others. Like keeping people who you don't want to have access to them out. And if you have small children at home, or have company over with children. A gun safe just simplifies the issue of keeping your firearms secure. :)

[Caffinehog]

Originally posted by Ducker


A gun safe solves that problem, and many others. Like keeping people who you don't want to have access to them out. And if you have small children at home, or have company over with children. A gun safe just simplifies the issue of keeping your firearms secure. :)

That's a very good point.

But don't just go out and buy one... they can weigh around half a ton, and your floor may not support that. Find out FIRST! Or put it in your garage.

[Crash893]

not nesscarly you can get the small ones that fit under your desk and have a bunch of buttons ( 4 or 5 i think you press in a certian order to open it)

http://www.gunvault.com/ministandard.asp