dual system, good video card and 3dmark it?

[dustybyrd]

edit---i have converted it into a Quadro4 700 XGL and now get 11,300 3dmark2001...as well as all those goodies that comes with the Quadro...here are links to the directions:

courtesy of cruc1fy, here are the instructions:
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showt...threadid=159603

http://nvworld.ru/docs/sq4e.html

what kind of 3dmark2001 scores do dualie's get?
i just got a fast ti4200...an asus 8420 deluxe with 128mb 3.3ns BGA RAM....

and it overclocks great to 300/650 3dmark stable...

but the 3dmark scores are about 10,500?

seems kinda low to me...as my 8500le got 8,000 at 290/525

is this about right for the ti4200 at these speeds (also dual 2.1ghz processor speed 14x150mhz)?



so far the card has been great, no artifacts at all even o/c'd

and i've noticed the winfast tv tuner card is "more stable" ...before with the ati 8500 sometimes when i changed the channel the picture would shrink to a tiny little box inside of the winfast window....now with the ti4200 it doesn't do it anymore....

not sure why, maybe the 128mb ram or faster or more stable video card?

[Evnas]

3DMark isnt coded for SMP processing, so it would have absolutly no effect in the end

[dustybyrd]

3DMark isnt coded for SMP processing, so it would have absolutly no effect in the end


yeah i know...but i was wondering how much of a hit the dual systems take on 3dmark2001...

i think this card at this speed should be hitting 14,000 3dmarks with a 2.1ghz single cpu AMD, no?


so i am wondering if something is wrong with my settings in general or just with 3dmark benching?

[shiyan]

that is rather strange.

I don't have any experience with benching SMP setups, but I'd agree that 14k is expected from Ti4200 + 2.1Ghz XP.

with an XP at 1860 and the 8500 at 315/315, I got to around 10500, so your score with the Ti4200 does seem a little low.

[john240sx]

Originally posted by Evnas
3DMark isnt coded for SMP processing, so it would have absolutly no effect in the end

couldn't you set windows to only have 3DMark run on one part (half, thread.... whatever it is called)? i would think that you would see atleast very minor performance increase since windows isn't using any CPU cycles (but on the otherhand, since no SMP boards are built for gaming performance that increase would be cancled out).

sorry if i look like an idiot with this post, i'm a total noob when it comes to SMP :eh?:

[Yuriman]

Both those scores seem low. With my 8500 64mb I get well over 9500 3dmarks at stock, and thats with a kt333 mobo. I believe that motherboard may just be 3dmark unfriendly.

[cruc1fy]

I get around 13,000 on my dually (check my sig) which is right on par with my single when I throw in the Ti4200.

[dustybyrd]

I get around 13,000 on my dually (check my sig) which is right on par with my single when I throw in the Ti4200.


13,000 3dmarks on the duallie with which graphics card and at what speeds of the video card core and ram as well as the dual cpu's?

what is the softquadro4?

[shiltz]

SMP systems seem to suck in 3d marks, they have to low of a FSB, lower CPU speeds, and old chipsets, AMD's especialy run on a really old chipset and only have a 266 FSB, my dual athlon MP 2000+ system O/Ced to 1800MHz (144 x 12.5) only hit around 12,500 with my FX 5900 ultra card in 3Dmarks 2001, in comparison the same card in my single P4 system has broke 21,000, though your score does still seem a little low, in my dual athlon system I hit around 11,500 with a geforce 4 ti4400.

[dustybyrd]

SMP systems seem to suck in 3d marks, they have to low of a FSB, lower CPU speeds, and old chipsets, AMD's especialy run on a really old chipset and only have a 266 FSB, my dual athlon MP 2000+ system O/Ced to 1800MHz (144 x 12.5) only hit around 12,500 with my FX 5900 ultra card in 3Dmarks 2001, in comparison the same card in my single P4 system has broke 21,000, though your score does still seem a little low, in my dual athlon system I hit around 11,500 with a geforce 4 ti4400.


here's what i figure happens to 3dmark2001 scores in a dual system:

my fsb is 150mhz----but in a dual system that 150 is split over two CPU's (75 mhz for each)----since when a non-SMP program runs on a dual system the cpu cycles get split 50% on each CPU...not 100% on one CPU

in my experience performance decreases by 50-75 mhz (CPU speed) per 10 mhz (FSB speed)....therefore that is a decrease in speed of about 350-550mhz CPU speed...

therefore assuming that means my dual 2.1ghz is really running single cpu tasks at 1.7ghz the speed of an equivalent 2.1ghz AMD with a ti4200 clocked at 300/650 would score ~13,000 (10,500/(1.7/2.1))...

i don't know about my calculations, but if you look up single CPU 2.1ghz AMD's with ti4200's at 300/650 they score around 13,000-14,000....so that's probably what this one would do if it were a single cpu 2.1ghz AMD

[Th0r]

I got slightly above 10,000 with my R8500LE with my P4 2.53Ghz ??? is that low???? my memory at 122mhz might be my downfall...

[dustybyrd]

I got slightly above 10,000 with my R8500LE with my P4 2.53Ghz ??? is that low???? my memory at 122mhz might be my downfall...


no, that's great, this dual AMD 2.1 scored only 7700 with that same 8500 v/c at 290/525

but on a single intel 1.65ghz tualatin it scored ~8600

[Th0r]

Will upgrading my RAM make it faster????

[dustybyrd]

Will upgrading my RAM make it faster????


only IF you RUN the RAM faster....

you have to be able to set the RAM at a higher speed on the mobo than the fsb settings...

then 3dmark2001 will run faster

[NewbiePerson]

keep in mind these smp motherboards were back when ddr didn't have an extreme advantage. Back before the kt266a boards.
Thus is like using a kt266 or amd 761 (I think that was the best ddr board for awhile) Anyways they weren't double the bandwidth of kt133a's so it wasn't really worth upgrading until kt266a and above came out much better than sdram. Thus ur using a old board, it seems smp doesn't get the *performance* upgrades as often as single cpus. Such as I haven't seen a dualie for normal xp (athlon, barton, w/e) offer serial ata, 8xagp, or in ur case using a chipset that actually takes advantage of ddr. They are old compared to single boards.
Dualies=servers not enthusiast gaming machines. They are nice to have though, I plan to get one eventually.
I remember being able to get 8k on a kt133a with a geforce 3, i think about 6,500-7,000 default with a stock xp1900. So ur score isn't really that off.
The closest way to get smp without loosing performance is to go opteron, or a p4 with hyperthreading.

[cruc1fy]

Originally posted by dustybyrd


13,000 3dmarks on the duallie with which graphics card and at what speeds of the video card core and ram as well as the dual cpu's?

what is the softquadro4?


Oh... It's a Chaintec 64MB GeForce4 Ti 4200 @265/600. SoftQuadro is a driver tweak that enables the professional grade (Quadro) features that are normally locked out of the consumer level cards. It has no effect on DirectX (3DMark) performance.

My dually performs in 3DMark pretty much how a GF4 in a single Barton 2500 (locked down to 266MHz) system with 2 gigs of PC2100 would.

[dustybyrd]

SoftQuadro is a driver tweak that enables the professional grade (Quadro) features that are normally locked out of the consumer level cards. It has no effect on DirectX (3DMark) performance.



where and how do i get SoftQuadro and what advantages does it provide?

[cruc1fy]

Originally posted by dustybyrd
where and how do i get SoftQuadro

guru3d.com. I wrote a howto a while back: http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159603&highlight=softquadro

Originally posted by dustybyrd
and what advantages does it provide?

OpenGL boosts. If you do any sort of solid modeling, 3D rendering, etc., you will see significant gains by using SoftQuadro. When I soft-modded my card, I got an average performance boost of 100% in SpecViewPerf (professional-grade video card benchmarker).

[dustybyrd]

thanks for the tips...

but it seems like the download links aren't working...

http://www.guru3d.com/comments.php?category=1&id=749

i'll have to try again later