View Full Version : WW or MCW 5002? (for an AMD!)
Hey guys,
this is the first obsticale in my way, which w/b will give a better price/preformance ratio.
First, the prices:
WW: 65$ - at dtekcustoms.com
MCW5002: 50$ - at directron.com
(any cheaper places??)
Well, I know the prices, how about the preformance, is there a major difference? if there is which one is superior?
Thanks in advance,
Suma.
9mmCensor
10-28-03, 08:09 AM
White Water is definately better, and for only a few bucks more go for it.
WW by like 2C or something
vudoodoodoo
10-28-03, 10:31 AM
I would've gotten the WW if my mobo has the 4 holes. I ended up with Swiftech.
vudoodoodoo, do you like it?
NeoMoses
10-28-03, 12:27 PM
I don't know... I bought a WW, but if I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with a swifty. I know Cathar's WW was a good block, but DTek's version of it leaves a lot to be desired... the base is very warped, and not finished well. I'm thinking that's what's causing such bad temps. Also, I'm worried about the anodizing. It's a dirty brown color, not black. I hope it is not too thin and starts corroding.
In my experience, Swiftech products have always had a good base finish and excellent quality control, so I would have to recommend them over the current WW.
Ok, do you know where can I get the swifty for cheap?
Suma.
Funny this thread pops up. Just got done putting my 5002 back in replacing a WW that I bought a little over a week ago. Anyway, my WW IMO was poorly made. The inlet slit was not in the middle of the actual inlet opening, it was slightly to the left. Danny over at D-tek says they're suppose to be like that, off centered. Ok, and then the middle plate sticks out from one side. I like Neo also notice a somewhat of a brown color as opposed to a solid black and the worst part is I've gotten bad temps since the first mount. I've done at least 10 mounts since I got it and I've also lapped it for what seemed like days because the base was uneven. So, I just got finished putting my Swifty back in with an MCW20 and I'm getting better temps under load that I was with the WW and no NB block in the loop. My Slitedge even performs better. That's it, I've thrown in the towel for my WW.
Originally posted by Suma
Ok, do you know where can I get the swifty for cheap?
Suma.
direction.com for 50 bucks
Since87
10-28-03, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by sbud
The inlet slit was not in the middle of the actual inlet opening, it was slightly to the left. Danny over at D-tek says they're suppose to be like that, off centered. Ok, sure, then the middle plate sticks out from one side. I like Neo also notice a somewhat of a brown color as opposed to a solid black...
The slot is offset from the inlet because AMD CPU's are not centered with respect to the heatsink mounting holes. It is meant to be that way.
I've also dealt (at work) with serious hard coat anodization. (500 VAC isolation) I was told at the time, that such coatings were only available in that "natural" brown color.
I'm not interested in making excuses for D-Tek. All the reports of bad bases are disturbing, but at the same time, I don't see much point in complaining about non-problems.
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 01:41 PM
I definitely agree with what everyone has said already. $15 is not just couple of bucks... it's definitely not worth the extra money you pay. Swifty is easy to install, great performance for the price.
then what about the choce of slit edge to swifty
I'll go swiftech then.
Is there a cheaper place then Directron (note that I posted directron somewhere..)
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 02:07 PM
directron is the cheapest place for MCW5002-P unless u can find it on eBay... I tried it with no luck. Other places charge you something in the $60 range...
k thx.
btw, I need an A not a P :p
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 02:21 PM
o oops sorry.. The price should be the same tho. I think...
np :p
(for example the WW isn't the same, the AMD is 5$ cheaper).
Originally posted by Since87
I'm not interested in making excuses for D-Tek. All the reports of bad bases are disturbing, but at the same time, I don't see much point in complaining about non-problems.
If you're referring to the statement regarding a brownish top, it doesn't appear that you got any point, it was made as a response to Neomosis's concern that the anodizing might be thin and could possibly corrode soon. The only issue I have with my WW is the poor performance, that's it. It can be pink with purple dots for all I care.
vudoodoodoo
10-28-03, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Suma
vudoodoodoo, do you like it?
It's not in my system yet. I just rigged it up to test yesterday.
vudoodoodoo
10-28-03, 02:49 PM
Wow, lots of negatives responses for the D-Tek WW. I guess I lucked out by not getting it.
MCW5002 is my pick.
thx guys.
nikhsub1
10-28-03, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by sbud
Funny this thread pops up. Just got done putting my 5002 back in replacing a WW that I bought a little over a week ago. Anyway, my WW IMO was poorly made. The inlet slit was not in the middle of the actual inlet opening, it was slightly to the left. Danny over at D-tek says they're suppose to be like that, off centered. Ok, sure, then the middle plate sticks out from one side. I like Neo also notice a somewhat of a brown color as opposed to a solid black and the worst part is I've gotten bad temps since the first mount. I've done at least 10 mounts since I got it and I've also lapped it for what seemed like days because the base was uneven. So, I just got finished putting my Swifty back in with an MCW20 and I'm getting better temps under load that I was with the WW and no NB block in the loop. My Slitedge even performs better. That's it, I've thrown in the towel for my WW.
As Since87 said, the slit is SUPPOSED to be off to one side... all the Cathar originals are that way. As for getting worse temps with the WW than the 5002 or the Slit Edge, the only physically possible way that is even possible is if the WW base is very 'non flat'. The WW is 2-3C better than the 5002 and the slit edge, just refer to BillA's testing on these blocks.
One can NOT change physics, the WW is the better performing block of the 3 period.
indeed it is but for an additional 20 bucks 2-3C isnt that much
nikhsub1
10-28-03, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by trip0d
indeed it is but for an additional 20 bucks 2-3C isnt that much
Maybe not to you, but just ask BillA how much of a diff 2 - 3C is. He will say mountains.
ya true but it depends on what you want with it..budget says swifty
OCing and beyound then that few degrees will be major
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by nikhsub1
As Since87 said, the slit is SUPPOSED to be off to one side... all the Cathar originals are that way. As for getting worse temps with the WW than the 5002 or the Slit Edge, the only physically possible way that is even possible is if the WW base is very 'non flat'. The WW is 2-3C better than the 5002 and the slit edge, just refer to BillA's testing on these blocks.
One can NOT change physics, the WW is the better performing block of the 3 period.
Im sure if Cathar continued to make his WW, it would perform better than the other two, however D-Tek doesnt seem to pay as much attention as Cathar does in making the block so they come with terrible base... If you are comparing that with the swifty, Swifty def has better craftsmanship. I would go with swifty.
Originally posted by nikhsub1
As for getting worse temps with the WW than the 5002 or the Slit Edge, the only physically possible way that is even possible is if the WW base is very 'non flat'.
Indeed Nik, I agree with you 100%, it has to be my base and after hours of lapping up to 600grit, it appears to be flat, then I go to mount. After less than desireable temps are viewed, I shut down, remove the block and the imprint from the AS5 is clearly not porportioned throughout the bottom of the block. I've also tried ceramique and AS3 just for the hell of it and obtained similar results. About the comparisons, I'm very familiar with Bill's roundup and I don't doubt that an ideal WW will outperform a Slit and a 5002. Guess my luck ran out when I bought this one. I understand that it's impossible to obtain perfection or even close to it, but it just sux when you're the one that ends up with the less than stellar part of the batch.
Is the WW going into the trash :( ? So many bad bases lately, what's going on over at dtek?
Anyway if you don't like "that ugly not flat WW", you can always send it to me :)
ya ill glady take a WW off your hands and put it to good use
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 08:35 PM
hahaha u snakes :p
well seeeing as how i dont even have a single part yet :)
ill buy it from you :)
cant let a good WW go to waste
ill lap it myself
gungeek
10-28-03, 09:26 PM
I recieved a new mcw5002 block in the mail today. Everybody was talking about quality on this thread, so I took it apart. The machine work is nice inside and out. The anodizing is an even blue color and consistent. The 10 #4 cap screws in the bottom had some kind of thread locker to keep them from backing out. The base was very smooth and even; no need for lapping. A nice block.
The bad news is I broke one of the cap screws when reassembling it. It wasn't even seated all the way when it broke.
So, I recommend the 5002 block, just don't take it apart:(
PS: The AMD clip-mounting works as advertised.
ILikeMy240sx
10-28-03, 10:00 PM
ouch... im so sorry to hear that. Its worth to try and see if it will leak. Id run it for atleast 3 days just to be sure...
Smirabi
10-28-03, 10:41 PM
So there is lots of disagreement over which block is better among those, but is it commonly agreed upon that the Cascade is "the" best... or will there be disagreement there too?
nikhsub1
10-28-03, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Smirabi
So there is lots of disagreement over which block is better among those, but is it commonly agreed upon that the Cascade is "the" best... or will there be disagreement there too?
There is no disagreement on which block is the best (performance wise) out of the WW, 5002 and the Slit Edge. There is good data on all these blocks, the WW holds the lead by 2-3C. That is of course with a flat base though. The cascade is 1.5C or so better than the WW.
its more of matter of prefrence IMO ....those who want an extra 3C will spend 20 bucks more or those who want average will spend 20 less
Still 2c is not worth 20$ for me.
I'll go with the Swiftech.
Thanks Guys!
NeoMoses
10-29-03, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Since87
I've also dealt (at work) with serious hard coat anodization. (500 VAC isolation) I was told at the time, that such coatings were only available in that "natural" brown color.
I'm not interested in making excuses for D-Tek. All the reports of bad bases are disturbing, but at the same time, I don't see much point in complaining about non-problems.
I verified with Danny that the WW is using a Class II anodize, like all of DTek's other waterblocks. (a "hard" anodize is Class III). Hopefully this is just a cosmetic issue, and the anodizer's just used a different dye than that used on the TC-4 and Spiral Aluminum tops. I know from experience that they had good corrosion resistance. I'm not so confident in this one, so I'm gonna increase the Dex-Cool from 10% to 25% just to make sure.
ILikeMy240sx
10-29-03, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by trip0d
its more of matter of prefrence IMO ....those who want an extra 3C will spend 20 bucks more or those who want average will spend 20 less
Well its not just 20 bucks... its hours of lapping and you gettin Carpel Tunnel Syndrome or something(I have that BTW but not from lapping... stpid games haha)
Personally, I would hate to spend hours trying to lap it and what if I don't lap it coorectly? It becomes totally worthless then. AND I have to pay extra 26 bucks.... I think its pretty obvious which one to get.
IMO, IF you are willing to pay 16 extra bucks and spend hours lapping to make it smooooth then go ahead and do it. In that case, it will perform better than others
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