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Geforce4 Ti4200 for $75 or Radeon 9500 128mb for $95
Radeon 9500 128mb is not the 256bit 9700 overclockable. Assume that is the standard one.
I would like to play Final Fantasy Xi on my comp.
Which one would you choose?
harryinny3
10-29-03, 05:29 AM
4 Pipeline cards, Id go with the 9500, Just because of the DX9 support. Oc the heck out of it.
Harry
I agree with Harryinny3...... Be another proud ATi customer :P
ColtIce
10-29-03, 06:36 AM
you still might be able to soft mod the 9500 to 9500pro.I did and have been in love with it ever since:D
The ti4200 will be quite a bit faster with FSAA and AF off, although DX8 only.
Different cards can't be compared by their number of pipelines.
Captain Hilts
10-29-03, 06:45 AM
It's pretty close, but I'd say that the possibility of making your 9500 into a 9500 Pro makes it worth it.
harryinny3
10-29-03, 07:17 AM
In there Product details Nvidia says they have cutting edge performance with aa and af on. False advertiseing. Guess they were lacking even back then. And yes im holding a grudge. Back when i bought the 4200 i could have spent the extra few bucks and got an 9500pro. But back then everyone was saying ATI cards stunk, and i never knew any better.
Get the 9500 and mod it. If not just Oc the thing and be a happy gamer.
Harry
You have your answer....now gogogo!!!
Just bought it from Newegg!
thanks everyone
harryinny3
10-29-03, 03:48 PM
The 9500 right? Hope it wasnt the 64mb ones there for $99
If it is, Arnt they on a 64bit bus?
Harry
It's the 128mb version 9500.
It's in the refurb section now.
Let's cross my fingers and hope it's a good one.
Originally posted by harryinny3
The 9500 right? Hope it wasnt the 64mb ones there for $99
If it is, Arnt they on a 64bit bus?
Harry
Lol, no, the 64mb versions have a 128bit bus.
Overclocker550
10-30-03, 05:22 AM
I hate to break this to you, but if it doesnt have a black PCB, theres no chance of modding it to a pro :( well is that thing as fast as a 9600 non pro? I wont compare it to a ti4200 or ill get flamed, but its slower than a 9600 pro, that I can tell you. your 3dmark score will probably suck but I hope games fly for you. if you have a fast cpu, I wouldnt worry too much about having "only" a ti4200, 9500, 9600 or something since the cpu calculates the AI part and thats crucial to swift fps
PreservedSwine
10-30-03, 06:30 AM
OC/550
Please stop spreading false info. Many R9500's w/a black or red PCB's are moddable.....color is NOT the determining factor....
That being said, even an R9500np w/ the standard 128bitDDR BUS and 4 pipes is a far superior card to a Ti4200, well worth the extra $20
Overclocker550
10-30-03, 07:26 AM
the ones with the red "L" shaped ram can be 9700s while the ones with black PCB can be pros. I have NOT heard of any others being moddable. the red ones with differently arranged ram, can those be modded? what about blue, green, yellow, etc pcb? and the 9500 must be a pro to eat a ti4200
Steven4563
10-30-03, 07:32 AM
the 9500np not modded will lose in benchmarks to a ti4200 im sorry bbut u ppl got it wrong the ti4200 is a better buy if the 9500np cant be modded.
Overclocker550
10-30-03, 08:07 AM
I told you guys. if the 9500 doesnt mod, sell it for another one or a ti4200
Originally posted by Steven4563
the 9500np not modded will lose in benchmarks to a ti4200 im sorry bbut u ppl got it wrong the ti4200 is a better buy if the 9500np cant be modded.
Even if the benchmarks are done with AA/AF?
Shade00
10-30-03, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by Overclocker550
the ones with the red "L" shaped ram can be 9700s while the ones with black PCB can be pros. I have NOT heard of any others being moddable. the red ones with differently arranged ram, can those be modded? what about blue, green, yellow, etc pcb? and the 9500 must be a pro to eat a ti4200
If the card has 8 working pipelines, it can be modded. Period. Regardless of its color. There are black and red PCB L-shaped 9500s, and black and red PCB I-shaped 9500s. Black L-shaped cards are rare, and red I-shaped cards are rare. In any case, ALL 9500s can be modded if their pipelines are all functioning. If you can find a blue, green, or yellow 9500, it could mod too as long as it had functioning pipes.
The 9500 does not have to be a Pro to "eat" a Ti4200. I owned a 9500np after a Ti4200 and the 9500 stomped all over the Ti4200 with no mercy. That was an L-shaped card. However, if we take overclocking into account, even the I-shaped 9500 card should be able to hold up to the Ti4200. I don't think either card will decisively beat the other.
I heard that it's easy to overclock the 9500's to at least 9500 pro's.
Correct? well hopefully so, If it's true that a regular 9500 cannot beat out a ti4200 even on regular graphics, it will be sad indeed.
Steven4563
10-30-03, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by CamH
Even if the benchmarks are done with AA/AF?
i dont know coz i havent seen any
Falcon-K
10-31-03, 12:25 AM
i would get the 9500 np...with aa/af it will beat the ti4200 and as some have said you could mod it to a pro or maybe if you are lucky get one that will mod to a 9700
chasingapple
10-31-03, 03:36 AM
I own both, they both rock in games :)
Thanks for all the input guys.
I ordered a 9500
it was the 9500 L shaped with infineon chips (3.3 i think)
It played Final Fantasy XI demo for about 10 seconds and froze the computer. It didn't have artifacts and windows n everything else runs just fine
Anyone have any experience in troubleshooting this? Or should this fly to ebay?
edit: oh and this is with the 9700 softmod. I can get 128mb g4ti4200's for like $70 easy so I dunno what I should do.
Is your computer Prime stable? You should try running Prime95 for a few days and see how the computer holds up.
TruckyJ
11-02-03, 03:46 AM
Yikes...it froze up right away? Is it program specific, or are other 3d apps work jacked too? :(
Overclocker550
11-02-03, 06:17 AM
yes you cant go wrong with a ti4200, make sure its 64mb as those oc much better
Kekkai, take the soft-mod off. I think you got a little too eager there. :) Chances are that, if it's a refurb, it won't soft-mod. Just run a couple of benchies @ stock, then forget about soft-modding and start overclocking. I had my unmoddable 9500 @ 370/310, so there's plenty of room for improvement. It *is* possible that Newegg sent you a defective card, but not terribly likely.
I'll state this for the record, although he already made his decision. Neither are bad cards. We shouldn't be down on the venerable Geforce 4 line of cards, just because of what is going currently with the FX line. That being said, the 9500 is worth the extra $20.
violineb
11-04-03, 08:55 PM
hmm this thread is two days old and there are already no more 9500s available on newegg. The 128mb ones at least :( So in that case would spending $135 else where for one be a bad idea? Oh and is it better to get 3ns or 3.3 ns mem. Thanks :)
USAPGAPRO
11-04-03, 08:58 PM
Im sorry they dont have anymore, as far as buying one for $135 I think you could find a cheaper one elsewhere. 3ns ram is better also.
violineb
11-04-03, 09:27 PM
thanks for the quick reply, couple more questions before I get this card.
Is there any way to be sure that it's o/c capabilities are good or that it's softmodable?
So far that the things to look for I've learned, are a L shaped mem config.
Other than that, does it have to be red PCB? The one I found on ebay for $135 seems like it should work, as it's the Sapphire one with the gold colored HSF.
I appreciate the extra help and if you know a cheaper place then please tell me.
Thanks
if its on ebay, 99% chance someone bought it, tried softmodding, failed, sells it...
Overclocker550
11-05-03, 07:03 AM
if you cant find a reasonable priced 9500, why not try a ti4200 off ebay for $70 then
harryinny3
11-05-03, 07:36 AM
:mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :D
violineb
11-05-03, 07:53 AM
well the card is for a friend's system but he has a pretty tight budget. Do you think it would be a better deal to forget the 9500np and get a 9500pro for $110 off my other friend?
harryinny3
11-05-03, 08:08 AM
Heck yes id get the 9500Pro for that price. Youd have to be crazy not to. They are still 200 bucks if ya can find em in stock anywhere. Awesome card for that price.
Harry
Overclocker550
11-05-03, 10:26 AM
yea get his 9500 pro for $110, now thats a good deal and id choose that anyday over a ti4200 or 9600 pro. If $110 for a 9500 pro, then this makes the 9600 pro worth like $80
violineb
11-06-03, 04:08 AM
sorry to revive this thread...........
But last thing, the friend I'm selling the PC Almost thinks that modding the 9500 np would be a better idea. Should I just let him think that or kick him in the head to make him realize that the 9500pro makes more sense? sorry again. I won't revive the thread again :p
thanks
harryinny3
11-06-03, 07:12 AM
Because its a crap shoot With the NP. What if it doesnt mod? Then what? He could have a pro for $110. If it were my money id get the pro and be done with it. and enjoy my Games.
Harry
Go with the 9500pro. Why gamble when you have an AWESOME deal on a sure thing. I'd kill for a 9500pro for 110$.
leggysoe
11-08-03, 06:43 PM
lol
Originally posted by leggysoe
lol
This is the second thread (that I've seen) that you've done this to. Usually, you would make some kind of coherent answer up for a thread. :rolleyes: Please quit spamming. If you spam your way to a hundred posts to get into the classifieds, you probably won't be allowed in anyways.
Sorry if you didn't mean to be spamming and you actually found something in this thread funny...
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