OverClocking and Ethics......

[6502kid]

I saw something in one of the threads earlier that kind
of bothered me.

Somebody, (wont mention name as I dont want a flame war), has
listed in his sig, over 20 some parts he has fried, including
4 (!!) 2.4c P4's....:eek: :mad:

He was asked about how he could afford it, and stated he just
RMA'd the processors back to Intel.

Does anybody else find this to be appalling and unethical, or
am I way off base ?

FYI: In over 4 years of overclocking, I have yet to fry any
CPU or other part.

[9mmCensor]

there is an article on the frontpage about this

and here it is
http://www.overclockers.com/articles753/

[ThePerfectCore]

FYI: In over 4 years of overclocking, I have yet to fry any
CPU or other part.

You just jinxed yourself. :p

And we had a HUGE discussion about this a few months back. It got about 6 posts into the thread before it turned into a ****ing contest alongside a flame war.

[Stedeman]

There are ethical and unethical overclockers. I believe in being ethical, and it has cost me more money. But it also makes me a more cautious O/Cer as well. To me its nothing lost nothing gained ;). It's all about what type of person you really are.

[9mmCensor]

the article basically says "you and EVERYONE ELSE" pays for your lack of morals

[Stedeman]

Life is yin and yang you can't have one with out the other business is based on it

[deathstar13]

i have a feeling this thread will be closed soon but ill get a post in hopefully before then.

some time ago this was a big movement around here.people being "ethical" in ocing.then these people started attacking any and everyone when even mentioned the words rma.

people soon got sick of hearing this stuff and ive seen it turn people around to rma stuff just becouse people did this.if ya gonna get blamed why not do it?

anyhow its pretty much an asked policy "dont ask,dont tell" if your gonna rma something.

two very differant sides on this and the "high and mighty" side just made things worse not better.


i personally beieve if you killed it while ocing its wrong to rma.but if something dies while doing standard work its ok.too many fine lines here.

[XWRed1]

Besides, if you kill it by overclocking it is by your own incompetence. I mean come on, just clocking the chip higher won't kill it. Not unless you give it way to much voltage or leave the heatsink off or screw up lapping it or spill the water from your homemade watercooling system or something like that.

Most normal people would back down or at least do reasonable, once the chip got unstable, not fry it.

[Cyrix_2k]

C'mon, if you fry 4 :eek: cpu's, it's not an accident. Maybe the first, or even the second. But 4?! Even if you did fry it by accident, it's still not right to RMA it, unless something was obviously wrong with the chip and it didn't break from it being OC'd.

[Crash893]

oh lordy not this again

the probelm with this conversation is that only people with ethics care

everyone knows that you shouldnt rma parts that you violated the warranty one but the unfortuant catch 22 is that people who do this dont care

and we can publish articals and have posts or even the "leage of eithical overclockers" or whatever it was called but the plain and simple fact is unless you prevent some one from doing it they serve no purpose

im may be a little off where some people are just doing it threw ignorance but its going to be a small small %

the moral of this post is that actions speak louder than words

and unfortuanlty there arent alot of actions you can take in this pirtular feild

[powerme]

fried 4 chips???? this person obviously didnt know what he was doing.

some people ABUSE the RMA process
i overclocked my P3s and P4s and None was fried

[Stedeman]

Ignorance is bliss ;)

[illwillchill]

whatever happen to that thread about the Anti-Unethical Overclockers movement? Did it get obliterated in the "great restructuring"?

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by powerme
fried 4 chips???? this person obviously didnt know what he was doing.

some people ABUSE the RMA process
i overclocked my P3s and P4s and None was fried

That's not always the case, I had a Abit BE6-II that the devil himself cursed. It was brand new and it killed 2 of my cpu's and it also killed one of the vendor's slot 1 cpu's when he tested it thinking I was just a moron that installed the processors in some kind of ill fashion. Needless to say I was refunded for the mobo and the two processors by the vendor. Whether he RMA'ed all the dead Processors I don't know nor want to know. But sometimes things happen beyond our control.

PS if you would pm me the person that has this RMA thing in his SIG I will ask him to remove that part of his SIG as that's not appropriate. Even though I am of the opinion if I fry it, I buy it. I think RMA'ing is for each person to decide for themselves. But lacking in ethics is a bummer as I see it.

[sandman001]

You can't always say that.

I've had two motherboards die on me, and neither one was my fault.

My NF7-S just kinda stopped working, I'm not sure what it was, but it just went poof.

My 8K5A2+ was working fine, then overnight it developed a habit of not posting, and it just slowly got worse.

[Jeff Bolton]

it was me that originally started that thread, oh so long ago...

i was glad when it died because it really was getting out of hand. however i still feel the same way, but one must realize that ethics are different from person to person where rules and laws are the same for everyone.

in an extreme case, say person A's ethics allow rape, murder, and all things evil, while person B's ethics allow preaching, goodwill, and all things holy. what may be ethical for person A definitely would not be ethical for person B, and visa versa.

and that is exactly what is going on here, in a different way. if this member felt that returning cpu's that he's fried was against his ethics then chances are he wouldn't have done it. what we may feel is wrong according to our ethics could be fine and dandy for this fellow.

i hope you guys don't take me for condoning his actions, which is the furthest thing from the truth. i'm just saying we can't call someone unethical when ethics are such a personal thing. what we can call him is someone who is breaking his warranty and being unfair to the vendor who he got it from, the manufacturer intel, and the overclocking community as a whole for being a factor to price increases and a general bad rep overall.

that is all.

jeff

[Aeon Flux]

The unethical RMAing is sort of bothersome. But I will give a defense for the other side. I myself try my best not abuse the RMA policy of companies. I have RMAed one thing ever and it was a hardrive I got off of Ebay that came dead and was advertised as being good. The seller refused to do anything about it. Not to long ago I fried the bios in my geforce 2 card. Im still trying to figure out what went wrong. Anyway I just recently bought a geforce 4 card from PNY with a lifetime warranty on it. I figured what the heck, Ill take off the old heatsink and put in a better one I made myself and try hardware base overclocking through the bios. If I fry it Ill just RMA it. It is very very tempting to abuse that policy. I decided of course not to remove the heatsink and decided to what until the cards shelf life is expired so the warranty would then be void and then try and overclock it to all hell. But I was tempted to try it anyway in thoughts about abusing that policy. It is tempting sometimes.