SL6Z3 now at ZIPZOOMFLY!!! [Archive]

batboy

11-13-03, 11:50 PM

Guess the cat's out of the bag now. I had heard through the "grapevine" on Tuesday that zipzoomfly was rumored to have the M0 stepping 2.4C in stock. A guy at extreme systems forum posted this...

I just got a reply email from googlegear saying they won't guarentee a particular stepping but the Z3 is what they have in inventory right now

I took a chance and ordered one. My UPS tracking says it got to Kansas City tonight. I'm hoping it will be delivered tomorrow. Sure hope mine's a SL6Z3 too.

I have a IC7 with cooling mods done to both northbridge and southbridge chips. It's mounted in a new Swiftech Q-Power water cooled case just waiting for the new CPU. I have 3 types of RAM to try. Yippee!

wicktron

11-14-03, 03:13 AM

i'll buy once 2 people have confirmed... holla!

slkcrab

11-14-03, 09:39 AM

Thats where I got mine from, back in October. It's a Costa Rica with a pack date of 9/15/03. FPO/Batch:3328A517.

pacino

11-14-03, 10:58 AM

I honestly don't see any difference with these new 2.4's .. mine goes all the way to 290 fsb with default vcore, then insists on "no sir! can't do more" with whatever you give it .. The only thing I see is, If you're looking for OC up to 290fsb with no headech, grab one :) ..

stan03

11-14-03, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by batboy
Guess the cat's out of the bag now. I had heard through the "grapevine" on Tuesday that zipzoomfly was rumored to have the M0 stepping 2.4C in stock. A guy at extreme systems forum posted this...

I just got a reply email from googlegear saying they won't guarentee a particular stepping but the Z3 is what they have in inventory right now

I took a chance and ordered one. My UPS tracking says it got to Kansas City tonight. I'm hoping it will be delivered tomorrow. Sure hope mine's a SL6Z3 too.

I have a IC7 with cooling mods done to both northbridge and southbridge chips. It's mounted in a new Swiftech Q-Power water cooled case just waiting for the new CPU. I have 3 types of RAM to try. Yippee!

whats wrong with your 2.8C at 3.5?:)

CrashOv3r1De

11-14-03, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by stan03

whats wrong with your 2.8C at 3.5?:)

My bro batboy is a pioneer =)

batboy

11-14-03, 06:42 PM

I want super high FSB... and to try something new.

Yep, I got it today and it's a M0 stepping.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/batboybain/SL6Z3.jpg

Mystic95Z

11-14-03, 07:07 PM

Do you happen to know if they have the SL6Z3 2.8c's? As much as I'd like to get a 2.4 my Corsair PC3200LL is only good to ~225mhz and running 5:4 at 290fsb is going to be too much for my mem.

batboy

11-14-03, 07:13 PM

No such thing as SL6Z3 in the 2.8C flavor... think the new M0 stepping for the 2.8C is S-Spec SL6Z5... or something like that. No, don't know of any sources for that yet.

TheGr8s1

11-14-03, 08:38 PM

SL6Z"3" - 2.4c
SL6Z"4" - 2.6c
SL6Z"5" - 2.8c

GET IT?

stereo555

11-14-03, 08:41 PM

Boy , Iam awful tempted to try and get a 2.4C M0 just to see what it can do . Just wondering how smart a move it is considering my 2.6C is decent .
( and it was purchased back in Jan/Feb almost the day they were released).

I need a new toy (challenge) after so long . Maybe I'll wait for a 2.8C M0 . HHHmmmm :eh?:

Dying to see your results Batboy (and good luck ) !

;) :D

micamica1217

11-14-03, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by batboy
I want super high FSB... and to try something new.

Yep, I got it today and it's a M0 stepping.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/batboybain/SL6Z3.jpg

nice batboy....:clap:

now show us what it can do.

as always, good luck my friend.

mica

pacino

11-15-03, 12:59 AM

Probably not much, as I stated before, I had this chip for over a week now and I don't see anything "IMPRESSIVE" so far, my older malaysian SL6WF did much better with 1.65v, this chip can't go over 290fsb with IMAX3 & Mach II .. unless I'm doing something wrong :D

batboy

11-15-03, 01:26 AM

Well boys, I'm still working on setting up my water cooling system, but I got impatient and worried it might not do at least 3.5 gig like my 2.8C, so I slapped this new 2.4C M0 stepping CPU temporarily into my old backup rig. Remember, my first IC7 that seemed to hit a brick wall at 275 FSB using the OCZ PC3500 RAM? Well, I hit that same brick wall at 275 FSB. I about cried.

At first, I hoped maybe it was the old mobo that was the bottleneck and figured my new IC7 with all the cooling mods and with it being water cooled would be much better. I also had ordered a pair of Kingston PC3000 RAM (at the same time as this SL6Z3 CPU). The rumor was that these Kingston PC3000 sticks had BH-5 chips. Decided that I might as well test the new RAM out while I had the new CPU still installed.

To make a long story short, I did a lot of testing and benchmarking with this new RAM and it's amazing stuff. Does better than my old OCZ PC3500 EL RAM. Was able to run DDR454 using 2,3,2,5 timings. Suddenly it dawned on me... OMG... DDR454 using the 5:4 ratio... dang... that's 283 FSB (3.4 gig). No more brick wall... holy guano! It was the RAM causing the "275 FSB brick wall" problem the whole time.

Well, I took one shot at 3.5 gig and was able to boot into Windows using 1.6v, but it wasn't stable and soon crashed. But, I was still using the 5:4 ratio with that PC3000 (although I had relaxed the timings). So, I'm assuming it's the RAM being the bottle neck now. I shut things down for the night, but I'm happy to see it boot at 3.5 gig on air. I'm pretty sure this will easily reach my goal of 3.6 gig using water cooling once I play around with the right combo of RAM and ratios and voltages. I have all weekend to tinker and tweak.

micamica1217

11-15-03, 03:29 AM

batboy, glad to see that things are looking up for that new 2.4c...

reaching maybe 300fsb and 3:2 ratio with the new kingston sticks, you'll be able to reuse fast timmings....
but what about your new PC4000???

300fsb is 240 mem speed....your pc4000 should be able to run that easy, and maybe at somewhat fast timmings.
(2.5,3,3,7 maybe?)

let us know what happens.

and good luck

mica

althes

11-15-03, 10:04 AM

Best of luck this weekend. Lets see how it goes.

pacino

11-15-03, 11:50 AM

Trying to get This Higher... (http://www.mwvision.com/benchmark/m0/1-1-275.jpg) .. This is the best spot so far with 1:1 ratio ..

Rocinante

11-15-03, 12:34 PM

Nice...:cool:

Let us know how it does on the 5:4...

BTW....DDR550 is amazing...:eek:

batboy

11-15-03, 02:39 PM

I'm waiting on the AS epoxy to dry on my vid card RAM sinks before putting the GPU water block on it. So, I had to try playing a little more with my new M0 stepping toy since it was still sitting there in my backup rig.

System: Abit IC7, 2.4C SL6Z3, 2 sticks of 256 MB Kingston HyperX PC3000, Swiftech heatsink/Delta fan, Chieftec mid-tower case, Antec 400 watt PS, 3 extra case fans.

Stable settings: PCI/AGP=fix; GAT=auto, auto, auto, disable, disable; RAM timings=2,3,2,5; ratio=3:2; FSB=295 MHz; vcore=1.6v; vmem=2.7v, hyperthreading=enabled; etc.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/batboybain/M0-cpuz-cpu.bmp

I hit another brick wall at anything above 295 FSB. Raising vcore does nothing. RAM speed using the 3:2 ratio is only DDR393 and I've already had this RAM up to DDR454 with the 5:4 ratio. I'll try the Corsair PC4000 Pro RAM next and maybe even the OCZ PC3500 EL too.

Maybe the northbridge needs better cooling or perhaps this old mobo is maxed out (was one of the first IC7 boards available last spring). I really feel like there is more life left in this CPU.

So close to my goal of 300 FSB I can almost taste it. Maybe once it's in the new modded IC7 and water cooled it'll go. Oh yeah, temps... this baby is about 1 to 2 degrees cooler load temp at 3.55 gig than the old 2.4C was at 3.3 gig in the same exact case and using the same exact CPU heatsink.

stereo555

11-15-03, 02:54 PM

Nice chip and OC there Batboy :clap:

Well done job , and thanks for the quality update. ;) :D

All the best to 300 !!! :cool:

micamica1217

11-15-03, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by batboy

So close to my goal of 300 FSB I can almost taste it. Maybe once it's in the new modded IC7 and water cooled it'll go. Oh yeah, temps... this baby is about 1 to 2 degrees cooler load temp at 3.55 gig than the old 2.4C was at 3.3 gig in the same exact case and using the same exact CPU heatsink.

batboy,

you may want to try to up the AGP voltage...say to 1.6v
you may just hit 300fsb...helped jd and hipro5

it's worth a restart.

mica

stan03

11-15-03, 06:58 PM

good luck getting those last 5mghz batboy.... maybe if the RAM doesn't help you need the MAX3 huh? :)

batboy

11-15-03, 07:57 PM

Mica, I've tried 1.6v and 1.65v AGP voltage. I tried the Corsair PC4000 Pro RAM and couldn't go as high as the Kingston. This Kingston with the Winbond chips would probably go higher if I get give it more vmem. I keep looking at the IC7 volt mod procedure, but I keep getting cold feet. I'm tempted to try some Mushkin PC3500 black level 2 or OCZ PC3700 Gold. I don't know. Might just be this old mobo. Hoping the other one does better.

stan03

11-17-03, 07:41 AM

so you couldn't get that last 5 mghz? ...yey

batboy

11-17-03, 08:08 AM

Not yet, but I haven't given up yet. I'm hoping this will help. I need to finish swapping some harddrives around and then I'll be ready to fire this bad boy up.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/batboybain/IC7+water+cool.jpg

stan03

11-17-03, 09:57 AM

wait you haven't even tried it with water yet?

hawtrawkr

11-17-03, 12:32 PM

your northbridge is probably your brick wall batboy its what was holding my 2.4 back on my max3 anyway

what temps it running at?

batboy

11-17-03, 12:41 PM

Stan, I have not tried the SL6Z3 in my new mobo or with water cooling yet. Still putting the new rig together (I know, I'm old and slow). What I posted earlier was with my original IC7 mobo that I bought when they first were released last spring (backup rig). Cooling was with air using a Swiftech heatsink and Delta fan.

This new mobo has a modded northbridge cooler using a Zalman heatsink and high output Sunon 40mm fan (see pic). I even put a small heatsink on the southbridge chip. My old mobo does not have all these cooling mods.

Hawtrawkr, I'm hoping you're right about the northbridge cooling thing. My new rig should have that issue solve if so. I can't for the life of me remember what the system temps were. I have them written down at home.

hawtrawkr

11-17-03, 01:03 PM

now i need to hear zipzoom has the 2.8 mo stepping im too broke to try to get another 2.8 a week after just getting my new one and not at least have a good chance of getting a mo

Detract

11-17-03, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by batboy
Well boys, I'm still working on setting up my water cooling system, but I got impatient and worried it might not do at least 3.5 gig like my 2.8C, so I slapped this new 2.4C M0 stepping CPU temporarily into my old backup rig. Remember, my first IC7 that seemed to hit a brick wall at 275 FSB using the OCZ PC3500 RAM? Well, I hit that same brick wall at 275 FSB. I about cried.

I seem to have the exact same problem, with the exact same hardware. Two days ago I picked up a SL6Z3 and its stuck at 275FSB just like the three before that. For some reason using 3:2 divider causes errors in memtest, even though the memory is running well under spec. I was suggested to try an ASUS P4C800-E, but it aint cheap. Im looking to get some Mushkin Levell 2 so that may help, I hope!

batboy

11-17-03, 01:54 PM

Detract, in that same post where you partially quoted me, you'll see that I was able to break past that 275 FSB brickwall with Kingston HyperX PC3000 RAM. I'm convinced now that RAM with BH-5 chips are the way to go for high FSB attempts. The Mushkin PC3200 and PC3500 Black Level 2 do indeed have BH-5 chips too.

ILikeMy240sx

11-17-03, 02:44 PM

How much more do you think Z3 will go compare to regular 2.4c(CostaRica)

Plan on getting KHX3200(BH-5) and I have a 2.4c Costa Rica. My goal is same as yours 300+FSB. I also WC.

batboy

11-17-03, 04:07 PM

If you get the KHX3200 RAM, make sure it's the non-"A" stuff (no "A" at the end of the model number) and make sure the timing is listed as 2,2,2,5.

Each CPU has it's own personality and limits. You never know until you try. Most of the regular 2.4C should do 3.3 to 3.4 gig with good cooling and with good components (some have been known to do better). The M0 steppings seem to do about 3.4 to 3.6 gig (some have done less). It's a gamble... roll the dice.

Jojo1971

11-17-03, 07:29 PM

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=1318

TheGr8s1

11-17-03, 08:17 PM

I've hit a brick wall at 275fsb using 5/4 divider. I've tried 3/2 divider and raising vcore among other things. Nothing seems to work. At 276fsb my system stability is a little shaky. Has anyone had this issue with OCZ PC3700 gold? Where's Seanomatic? I need to have a word with him again.

Mystic95Z

11-17-03, 09:25 PM

batboy,

Where was it you got your HyperX 3000? I was looking on ZipZoomFly and all of the HyperX 3000 and 3200 was listed with timings of 2-2-2-6-1 even for the non "A" parts.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should just order up a 2.8c now or wait for the SL6Z5's to become available, since the MO's seem to be a crapshoot as to weather you get a oc'ing monster??? The higher multiplier would definatly help me with the memory issue.

-Tony

batboy

11-17-03, 11:01 PM

I ordered the 2.4C M0 stepping and the pair of HyperX PC3000 at the same time from zipzoomfly.com. I've seen the HyperX PC3200 "A" listed at newegg.com with 2,3,2,6 timing.

climbski

11-18-03, 12:13 AM

the non "a" is BH5 the A is CH5...I believe all KHX3000 is BH5.

Mystic95Z

11-18-03, 06:53 AM

Are all BH-5 chips rated the same?? If so whats the diff between PC3000 & 3700 that use BH-5? Nothing?

batboy

11-18-03, 08:48 AM

I have never seen PC3700 RAM using BH-5 chips rated at 2,2,2,5 timings. To run at DDR466 speeds you'll probably have to use looser timings. Also, Buffalo was about the only one that comes to mind that was using BH-5 chips in PC3700 that I know of. The higher the RAM modules are rated, the more likely the chips are hand picked and tested to make sure they will run at the higher speeds.

situman

11-18-03, 04:33 PM

any one know of a 2.6c with the M0 steppings?

batboy

11-18-03, 04:45 PM

Not yet.

Update... I'm having heating problems with my water cooling system... GRRRRRRRR.

stan03

11-19-03, 07:45 AM

you can do it.........

hawtrawkr

11-19-03, 11:42 AM

what kind of temps are you getting with your w/c rig batboy im dying to see the results you pull out of that chip

batboy

11-19-03, 12:40 PM

Something ain't right, I have the alarm set at 60 degrees for safety purposes and it'll trigger the alarm shortly after starting windows. I've checked the waterblock contact with the CPU and it's ok. I found an inlet hose going into the pump partially collapsed. I'm assuming this is restricting flow.

I'm a newbie with water cooling, so before I replace the hose, I need to find out if there is some reason that pressure or suction is causing the collapse or maybe the hose is too thin and just partially collapsed at that bend where it goes through a case channel.

Looks like I'll probably have to completely disassemble the system if I need to replace the hose. I will probably have to wait until after the Thangsgiving holiday now. I have another system to build for a friend, then I have to go on the road for work, and I also have to do some major house cleaning to get ready for company. Sorry folks, I'm disappointed too.

Detract

11-19-03, 12:45 PM

I've noticed that these Sl6Z3's run cooler than previous C's. I've just got watercooling and Im at 39 idle 45 load, with my chip at 3.3Ghz.

batboy

11-19-03, 12:47 PM

Yes, when I was using the same Swifty heatsink that I used on my first 2.4C, I noticed about 1-2 degrees cooler load CPU temp even though the M0 was running at a faster overclock.

deathman20

11-19-03, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by batboy
Something ain't right, I have the alarm set at 60 degrees for safety purposes and it'll trigger the alarm shortly after starting windows. I've checked the waterblock contact with the CPU and it's ok. I found an inlet hose going into the pump partially collapsed. I'm assuming this is restricting flow.

I'm a newbie with water cooling, so before I replace the hose, I need to find out if there is some reason that pressure or suction is causing the collapse or maybe the hose is too thin and just partially collapsed at that bend where it goes through a case channel.

Looks like I'll probably have to completely disassemble the system if I need to replace the hose. I will probably have to wait until after the Thangsgiving holiday now. I have another system to build for a friend, then I have to go on the road for work, and I also have to do some major house cleaning to get ready for company. Sorry folks, I'm disappointed too.

NOOOO hes leaving us for the other side, the real world hehe. What type of hosing are you using? Also whats the inner dia and outer dia? If its collapsing for a quick solution would be using some zip ties in that spot to force it to stay the same shape. Is this a closed setup or an open setup?

Detract

11-19-03, 12:55 PM

I was getting 60+ C load with my Swifty, and the noise was unbearable. I think also that I suffer from the Abit board not reporting the temps correctly, although they arent to bad now.

batboy

11-19-03, 01:06 PM

It's a closed system, specifically a water cooled Swiftech Q-Power case that I bought pre-assembled. I'm not at home right now to measure, but I was assuming the hose was 1/2" diameter. The waterblock is a MCW5000 and the Swiftech website says it uses 1/2" OD tubing.

Look at this pic, the place the tube is collaped is at the far left past the valve where it makes the bend going into the case on the way to the pump.

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Cases/SwiftechQPower/sw18.jpg

Here is a review from the front page that Joe did about my system. I was told by the hardcore water cooler guys that I could probably build a better system myself... maybe they were right.

http://www.overclockers.com/articles542/

deathman20

11-19-03, 01:16 PM

Yea you coulda built one yourself without to much problms, it would cool better, you could use bigger hosing and overall be setup the way you want it. Probley cost a little more or a little less depending on what the prices are at the time. Anyways the setup with that tube going into the case its asking for problems. It looks like it could be to tight of a bend for the tubing in that spot.

Yea probley emptying the system would be a good bet to straighten this out. Unless you clamp one side of the system off if you had everthing done prior to taking that hose off you could do a quick swap and would just have to top off the system.

11-19-03, 02:39 PM

I bought one of the first Q power kits when it came out. I'm still using the parts from it as my primary water cooling rig. I think you would be hard pressed to come up with something significantly better to warrant doing it yourself. Everything in the kit is top notch. The original kits came with 3/8" OD tubing which is a tiny bit on the small side if you plan to use more than one block in the circuit, but other than that it's a very nice package. See if you can route the tubing a little different so it doesn't kink. If not just get another Parker elbow fitting for that area.

CrashOv3r1De

11-19-03, 04:49 PM

Awesome batboy. Think that chip is capable of 3.8-4Ghz for daily use?

Any chance you can let me borrow it so I can test it out with my prom? =D

micamica1217

11-19-03, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by batboy
It's a closed system, specifically a water cooled Swiftech Q-Power case that I bought pre-assembled. I'm not at home right now to measure, but I was assuming the hose was 1/2" diameter. The waterblock is a MCW5000 and the Swiftech website says it uses 1/2" OD tubing.

Look at this pic, the place the tube is collaped is at the far left past the valve where it makes the bend going into the case on the way to the pump.

Here is a review from the front page that Joe did about my system. I was told by the hardcore water cooler guys that I could probably build a better system myself... maybe they were right.

http://www.overclockers.com/articles542/

is it realy 1/2" OD tubing?
it always looked smaller to me, even in your pic.

man, I'm sorry that you have some bend in the tubing, yet I can't see some 1/2" tubing doing this unless it's cheap.

look at my pic in my avitar, at the bottom, near the pump, you'll notice a bend, but it never will kink.
the tubing is so thick and stiff that it almost don't want to bend.

again, sorry to hear the bad news.

mica

batboy

11-19-03, 10:06 PM

Yes, it's definately 1/2" OD, but the walls are only 1/16" thick.

Got my water cooling problems fixed. It was a combination of the tubing partially kinked, but mainly because I had the fans connected wrong. There's a new ZZ Top song that's called "Me So Stupid" that's now stuck in my head at the moment, hmmm.

Basically, my Antec 550 watt True Power PS has two "fan only" connectors which I had the two rear 120mm fans (which are wired together) and the front 120mm fan all connected on. Turns out these two connectors are thermister controlled and were not running at full RPM.

I have all the fans connected to regular 4 pin harddrive molex connectors now. The two rear fans move air through the radiator too. My temps went from 60 degrees idle to 40 degrees full load now. Huge difference, but how embarressing!

It's too late tonight and I'm tired of working on computers, but I'll try another max O/C on this little SL6Z3 CPU tomorrow evening. I really don't think it'll do much more, but who knows. The CPU load temp is NOW FINALLY 10 degrees cooler in this new rig than when it was air cooled and the system temp is 3 degrees cooler. Will that be enough to hit 300 FSB? Stay tuned to find out tomorrow... same bat time and same bat forum!

deathman20

11-19-03, 10:14 PM

OOh yea batboy I want to know. Just decided to go for the 2.4C and will be getting it Monday. Hopfully I can have that type of luck.

micamica1217

11-19-03, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by batboy
Will that be enough to hit 300 FSB? Stay tuned to find out tomorrow... same bat time and same bat forum!

:attn: :attn: mica can't wait...hard core that batboy is.:attn: :attn:

mica

hawtrawkr

11-20-03, 05:48 AM

well its good to hear you got your w/c problems straightend out and didnt have to spend any extra cash to do so.

maybe we should start a whole new thread as im sure im not the only person whos wanting to see what you can max that cpu out at.

stan03

11-20-03, 10:18 AM

its tomorrow where them results at :p

deathman20

11-20-03, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by stan03
its tomorrow where them results at :p

LOL

*psst* batboy is making us suffer

ILikeMy240sx

11-20-03, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by stan03
its tomorrow where them results at :p

lolz... Batboy the drum roll is playing...

batboy

11-20-03, 10:47 AM

Sorry guys... don't git yer panties in a bunch... I have a day job. :) I'll post results this evening. I have to flash an updated BIOS first before I do anything.

Like was suggested, I'll probably start a new thread. Water cooling sometimes doesn't benefit the P-4 as much as it does AMD CPUs. But I like how quiet the new system is and it sure looks cool.

My northbridge cooling mod only dropped the system temps 3 degrees. I'm beginning to suspect I won't make my 300 FSB goal. Still, 3.55 gig ain't bad for a little 2.4C... guess we'll find out if I'm at the limit or not in few hours.