Forceware 53.03

[Cowboy X]

The Forceware 53.03 drivers are out on EVGA's site :

http://www.bfgtech.com/images/5303_IS-NV111403D.zip
www.evga.com

[Sir Barton]

i wonder how they differ from the 52.70s that were leaked not too long ago? i dont even think theyre available yet, because the download link over at eVGA is dead.

Bart

[blurry]

i've already seen reported benchmark score increases for 53.03 over the 52s so it must be good.

[Kenshiro]

i tried yesterday. Games seems to be more choppy. Reverting back to 52.7

[mrgreenjeans]

I got them off PNY (http://www.pny.com/support/drivers/?prod=verto) and posted my results in this thread (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247336&perpage=30&pagenumber=2) .
I got a 440 point increase in 3D01 and a 530 point increase in 3D03! I've ran COD and MaxPayne2 with no adverse effects. As in all beta drivers, use at your own risk. I'll keep posting updates as I put them through their paces. It does state in the read me file that they're optimised for cards up to the FX5800ultra. Could be the reason for the discrepancy. Another thing I've noted lately is that my driver updates don't seem to work well until I've rebooted a second time after installation. Don't ask me why. I ran a 11k 3d01 score when I first installed, and later after a reboot hit a 16,893. This is the second or third time I've noticed behavior this after a driver update.

[Kenshiro]

Just want to put an update. I uninstall the the nivida driver first, then use Nasty File Remover to completely remove the remaining files.

After rebooting the computer, I install the 53.05 downloaded from Guru3D. Then I ran 3D mark03 340 at stock speed and I got 4950.

[mrgreenjeans]

Yeah, i do that too, then use the NFR to clean out any residual files, however, I still get that crazy, doesn't work cleanly until the second reboot.

[YellowDart]

greenjeans: How much did this new driver set add to your scores??? I saw your other post... but what kind of margin did they beat out your 52.70's????

[mrgreenjeans]

3dm01 gained 500 points and 3D03 almost the same. I'm doing this from memory 'cause my notes are at home, but that should be close.

[YellowDart]

Originally posted by mrgreenjeans
3dm01 gained 500 points and 3D03 almost the same. I'm doing this from memory 'cause my notes are at home, but that should be close.

Nice! I might have to give me a try...

[Kenshiro]

I overclocked my FX5900 non ultra and got above 5300 on 3Dmar03 340 with this latest driver.

[Sir Barton]

i ran my 5700U on 3dmk03 240 and got 4400 on the 53.03. that was up from 3700.

[Kenshiro]

do you think that the 53.05 has the "optimizer" that will give more scores on benchmark? opinions, anyone?

[Sir Barton]

im not sure it might. but it seems to me that my games are playing smoother and they look a little better, or maybe im hallucinating? :D that could very well be true kenshiro. my 3dmark01 score went up 300pts with the 53.03 too.

[Kenshiro]

I have also agree that my games does run smoother, especially with Halo. I do hope nvidia don't cheat anymore. Otherwise, the ATI boys will keep flaming us again.

[Sir Barton]

the only comeback the ATi boys have is "well you get a free copy of HL2". i dont buy my cards because of packaged software. i think 53.03 is actually legit, because now halo doesnt stutter on me anymore, and my benchies add to the notion as well. the only issue ive had with this driver is that i cant run max payne 2 in 1280x1024 because for some reason it runs my refresh rate on my monitor out of spec and i have to reset my system, but 1024x768 looks and runs beautifully. that was the only issue ive had with this driver, everything else i have to say about it is good.

[mrgreenjeans]

I've got no issues whatsoever. Max Payne is runiing at 1280 x 1024 with all eye candy and nary a lag. And talk about a 'pretty' game. Awesome graphics.
Someone somewhere will cry foul, future mark will patch the benchmark, and we'll all start over again. It's getting to the point I don't care. These drivers pushed my card almost back to were it was before the .340 patch. do i know, do I care? As long as it plays nice, let's rock!:D

[YellowDart]

Looks like I'll be downloading them pretty soon... Gotta fix my hsf woes first, then I'll focus on graphics....

[Kenshiro]

Originally posted by YellowDart
Looks like I'll be downloading them pretty soon... Gotta fix my hsf woes first, then I'll focus on graphics....

Remember to uninstall your old drive and use Nasty File Remover or equivalent to remove the remaining files. Reboot than install the new driver. This will ensure that you have a clean installation of the new driver. 53.05 didn't work well for the first time because I did not have a clean installation.

[YellowDart]

Yea, I'll have to remember to grab Nasty File Remover. Is it on guru3d.com??? I'm running on 52.16's right now. So far I like them... but I'll give the new 53.30's a whirl...

[Kenshiro]

I think you can grab it from Guru3D. Otherwise, just use the traditional google search. There are quite a few places you can download that program.

[NewbiePerson]

holy poo my 3dmark 03 score went from 4630 to 5227. Haven't done 01 yet.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1641894

[Sir Barton]

my 03 jumped 621pts and my 01 jumped 250pts.

[Rokk1972]

I too gained 600+ points on benching, and was able to get alittle more on the OC

[Cowboy X]

C'mon guys lets hear about some game benchmarks not just 3dmark and aquamark etc . Give us some numbers , and be sure to let us know if there is any better or lower quality ( opinions ) compared with the competition and previous Nvidia drivers .

[bhstephe]

53.03 drivers got rid of the texture corruption I used to have in armyops. So they must have fixed some things.

[mrgreenjeans]

Yeah, they also cleaned up the texture corruption issues I was having in Never Winter nights. all benchmark went up by a noticeable percentage.

[Kenshiro]

This is what I heard from some of the ATI fan boys. Please take note that I am not flaming them. Someone said that the reason the benchmark score went up, and games seems to run smoother with the latest forceware driver is because the quality goes down. There are missing texture......stuff...... and that's why the game seems to run smoother.

So, anyone expert on nvidia driver wants to counter that. I owned a FX5900 non ultra, but I am too lazy to check if there are any missing graphic in the games I play.

[YellowDart]

Originally posted by Kenshiro
This is what I heard from some of the ATI fan boys. Please take note that I am not flaming them. Someone said that the reason the benchmark score went up, and games seems to run smoother with the latest forceware driver is because the quality goes down. There are missing texture......stuff...... and that's why the game seems to run smoother.

So, anyone expert on nvidia driver wants to counter that. I owned a FX5900 non ultra, but I am too lazy to check if there are any missing graphic in the games I play.

They always say that... they could be right, but it's gotten to be a default ATi fanboy answer to all nVidia driver related discussions.

My philosophy in this is: If you aren't aware that textures are corrupt, or light sources/shadows are missing, then there's nothing wrong. ;)

[Sir Barton]

Originally posted by YellowDart


They always say that... they could be right, but it's gotten to be a default ATi fanboy answer to all nVidia driver related discussions.

My philosophy in this is: If you aren't aware that textures are corrupt, or light sources/shadows are missing, then there's nothing wrong. ;)

who sits there and checks to see if stuff is missing? i dunno about the ATi fanboys, but i dont spend my time knitpicking at the graphics on my games, i just spend time enjoying the hell out of them.

[Sir Barton]

Originally posted by YellowDart


They always say that... they could be right, but it's gotten to be a default ATi fanboy answer to all nVidia driver related discussions.

My philosophy in this is: If you aren't aware that textures are corrupt, or light sources/shadows are missing, then there's nothing wrong. ;)

who sits there and checks to see if stuff is missing? i dunno about the ATi fanboys, but i dont spend my time knitpicking at the graphics on my games, i just spend time enjoying the hell out of them.

[Cowboy X]

I know I don't nitpick or complain unlesss I see something glaringly wrong but I don't try to be an ostritch with my head in the sand either . There is not much worse than buying a new item for $$$ and then find out a better item cost $ in the same store , that sort of thing annoys most people . It is also human to suddenly see the flaws in the product which you alreday bought when you see a better product .

Nvidia's year long behaviour has sadly caused most people to second guess anything they say or sell . Many more people are now wary and afraid that they may end up buying and inferior product when they go NV , and Nvidia only have themselves to blame for this . Imagine you go to a store and buy some cookies and they taste pretty good but in the middle of the pack you find worms ....... so you take it back and get another pack which also has worms , in fact more ! You do this about 4 times and even at different stores with different types of cookies from the same brand and still find worms nicely hidden in the center . Trust me you will no longer trust that brand and likely won't buy them for a long time , and in fact you will likely closely inspect every bag of cookies you pick up in future regardless of the brand . I will go further and say that if it was a friend or aquaintance who had the experience it would be very likely that you would avoid that brand too . This is exactly what is happening in the vcard world at present .

Some ATI fanboys indeed go to far , hoping to get as much dirt on the 'enemy' but on the flip side there are those who will argue :
1/ The cookies taste good .
2/ This brand roxxors , they have "protein enriched" cookies .
3/ I don't mind I can't see the worms ( if I take off my glasses ) .
4/ My cousin is l337 and he says this brand is the best .
5/ Don't mind the worms in these 1500000 bags , their cookies won't have any worms in them next year . So keep on buying .
6/ I like worms .
7/ This brand has the best worms .

That may seem funny to most of us but that is an almost exact analogy of what I see being written ( there's of course more but I can't list them all ) . We all know that some of these statements stem from blind fanboyism or even ignorance . But a significant number are due to people with some degree of brand loyalty ( not necessarily fanboys ) who don't want to get hurt by facts concerning their hardware . For many these facts do exactly what I described at first , they show up the flaws in our possesions and decrease our enjoyment of them . Spectacles often look very clean until one looks through another pair or cleans one's own . The way these facts are dealt with by such people varies but it often entails several things :

1/ Try to discredit the facts or sources .
2/ Deny the facts even exist .
3/ Highlight something other than the core fact and try to deviate discussion towards that instead . A good example is people focussing more on Futuremark's motives and $$$ rather than the fact that Nvidia cheated and lied to consumers regarding a benchmark which they said wasn't even important .
4/ Find and mention flaws in competitors current or even past history as if this somehow removes the flaws or problems with Nvidia's hardware/drivers .
5/ Try to prevent oneself from even hearing the facts . *
6/ Deny the significance of the facts .

Lookaround the various forums and you will see all of the above even in technical places like Beyond3d.com . But the ostritch behaviour in numbers 5 and 6 are gaining ground and we must try to stop doing these especially since some rather big websites have been popularising this behaviour .

In Barbados we have a saying " What you don't know can't hurt you . " , that is now the motto of many online , but sadly that good old proverb often doesn't work . What is further ironic is tht the proponents of this 'new' doctrine do know but yet still insist that it 'won't hurt them ' .

See no evil , Hear no evil , Deny them both if you do

Here ends my slightly off track rant :)

Edit : Spelling

[Cowboy X]

By the way the drivers are now official :

http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

[mrgreenjeans]

I guess you don't get cookies in Barbados without worms? Just kidding. I enjoyed your rant. NOw my two cents-

Now suppose you bought the competitior's bag of cookies, and they tasted yum, yum, but, everytime you opened the bag, instead of being wormy, were all crumbly. You couldn't get a cookie out in one piece. Other than that, the ingredients were perfect, the packaging excellent, just lacking in the delivery. You had to keep putting the bag back and getting an older one, past the expiration date. And now suppose those were your only two choices in the supermarket. What's a cookie lover to do?

Just thought bring 'em both to the "store shelves."

By the by, love Barbados. I used to go on vacation there many years ago. And I was just down that way last spring. Hopefully will retire in that part of the world some day.

[Th0r]

Got this from Winbeta.org.....


'THE LORD OF graphics is set to release a fresh set of drivers today – it's a selection of bug fixes to make your graphics card work better.

While the 53.0X drivers were available from, believe that the EVGA site previously, this time the Nvidia drivers have the blessing of Microsoft with its WHQL scheme.

The drivers for Windows XP/ 2000 are numbered 53.03 while the ME/98 version is called 53.04. It's quite unusual that the old OS version has a bigger number and these drivers are not WHQL certified as Microsoft simply don't do that for these gnarled old OSes.

There have a reason to believe that Nvidia might shine again in 3Dmark03 -- at least that’s what I expect since there is always a work around for the current 340 patch if Nvidia wants to go down that road one more time.

The drivers will arrive later today.

News Source : The_Inquirer'

I think Nvidia is going down that road for the 3rd time...

[YellowDart]

Nice rant cowboy...

I guess my point in my earlier comment is: I know there are IQ issues w/ nv cards. At least that's what I've been TOLD. I've seen screenies of missing shadows, light sources, particles, etc. Hell, I've even seen screenies comparing IQ btwn ATi and nv cards...

I'm not turning the blind eye toward the problem... Somebody told me that my cookies have worms... but I've never tried a cookie without worms. So I don't know the difference yet. ;)

[Cowboy X]

Originally posted by mrgreenjeans
I guess you don't get cookies in Barbados without worms? Just kidding. I enjoyed your rant. NOw my two cents-

Now suppose you bought the competitior's bag of cookies, and they tasted yum, yum, but, everytime you opened the bag, instead of being wormy, were all crumbly. You couldn't get a cookie out in one piece. Other than that, the ingredients were perfect, the packaging excellent, just lacking in the delivery. You had to keep putting the bag back and getting an older one, past the expiration date. And now suppose those were your only two choices in the supermarket. What's a cookie lover to do?

Just thought bring 'em both to the "store shelves."

By the by, love Barbados. I used to go on vacation there many years ago. And I was just down that way last spring. Hopefully will retire in that part of the world some day.

Well I'm afraid that that person may have to go on a diet :D But it is true ,eg there are some people who love NV's linux support and rightly scorn the only recently added ATI linux 3d drivers . So such people get NV vcards , but then most games are in Windows and recently Direct3d 9, so then they have no good choice except 2 different systems .

PS: I hope you can indeed get another Barbados vacation as soon as possible . :cool:

YellowDart the way things are going with accusations of hardware makers sabotaging or fooling screenshot software it may reach the point that we will need broad band for video reviews or just look for the differences/issues ourselves :eek: . This of course is not possible for the average person , I can't afford to buy 2 to 3 highend vcards . And I am certain most stores will not be amused with me extensively play-testing their hardware before deciding on a purchase or worse deciding not to purchase at all. Neither can I afford the sort of bandwidth to allow me to see a digital no quality lost video of a vcard being tested , in fact outside of some corporations and labs the technology doesn't even exist :( . These are the really sad and ultimate results if the current cheating and uncertainty continues .

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by YellowDart
Nice rant cowboy...

I guess my point in my earlier comment is: I know there are IQ issues w/ nv cards. At least that's what I've been TOLD. I've seen screenies of missing shadows, light sources, particles, etc. Hell, I've even seen screenies comparing IQ btwn ATi and nv cards...

I'm not turning the blind eye toward the problem... Somebody told me that my cookies have worms... but I've never tried a cookie without worms. So I don't know the difference yet. ;)

the sad deal is that most don't respond to problems with nVidia hardware/divers like you do.
they reply like this.....

Originally posted by q149

Go ramble on about how bad Nvidia cheats to someone else, i don't give a ****.

even after you show pics and list all kinds of info...
it doesn't matter to them.
the crazy thing was, that he kept insisting how nVidia has far better AA then ATI.....
Oh, and how his 5900nu was faster then his 9600.
(I still can't believe, how some people could still compare a budget card to a high end card. edit: frame rate wise.)
then it seems to be about price, like I can't find a 9800np for around $200???:rolleyes:

believe me, if we all would just start complaining to nVidia to stop this BS....they will.
but if people still sit here and stick there head in the sand....nothing will change.

I can't speak for you, but who would realy care if a 5900u would get about 500 points less then a 9800pro in 3dmark03, if there were no cheats from now on?
would you mind lossing about 5 frames if you didn't have any missing images in halo?
who would care if you maybe lost about 5 frames in MS flight sim 04....if you just got the AF you preset it at?
I wouldn't care.
and while it could get real bad once true DX9.0 game hit the market, at least don't cheat me out of options that I may want.

again, my points are only for thoes who have a FX card to at least get the most out of them.
not to be cheated out of images, or lower IQ, or to be ridiculed when nVidia desides to cheat in aquamark or 3dmark03.
again, it is only when WE demand nVidia to stop, will they stop.

mica

edit: full read here. (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=249861)

[NewbiePerson]

I paid $168 for my fx 5800. A 9600pro or xt can cost as much sometimes more than that.

[Cowboy X]

If you don't want to risk modding that is a good price especially if you bought it a while back , but for less you could get a 9500 non-pro and mod it to a 9700 non-pro . But again we digress , this thread was made to inform members of the 53.03 drivers and to give them a place to post impressions , performance and bugs etc .

Unfortunately we are getting into NV vs ATI arguments and discussions of specific vcards instead of the thread's real purpose , the 53.03 drivers . So let us all get back on track .

[NewbiePerson]

I think the drivers are great, I certainly can't see any fault with them. Then again i don't have 2 comps side by side comparing.
and a default 5800 is fairly on par with a non oc'd 9700 going by fps and not image quality (which i couldn't tell a difference between my 9500pro and 5800 image quality wise, but just saying that to not start anything) My 9500pro used to get 3600 or so.
heres my 5800
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1700682
I think spending the $30 extra on the 5800 is well worth it vs a mod that might not work and trying to find a card that is nearly extinct.

[Cowboy X]

Well the mod is software based and totally reversible and once you check forums like rage3d they tell you the exact type of 9500 to get ,if you get one of those then it is an almost 100% mod . But I agree that the 9500 cards aren't easy to find anymore .

[YellowDart]

Man, I need to get off my lazy ass and dl these 53.03 Forceware drivers... All I can seem to accomplish on my computer lately is playing Warcraft III =P

[Cowboy X]

LOL :)

[Kenshiro]

Originally posted by Cowboy X
If you don't want to risk modding that is a good price especially if you bought it a while back , but for less you could get a 9500 non-pro and mod it to a 9700 non-pro ..

I heard there is only a 50% chance that this mod will work.

[Cowboy X]

Not with the right card . It has to do with the shape of the memory modules on the card , 'L' shaped i think . Once you get the right card you are looking at an almost 100% mod . It is the others that fall into the 50 % category .