Thermal paste

[acidburn2019]

How much better is arctic silver 5 than 3? Also is this the best thermal paste out right now, if not what is?

[schismspeak]

Maybe upto 2°C better in temps, and yes to my knowledge it is the best.

[Twigs]

i just dropped 2C off my idle temps from putting some as5 in place of my old as3...and yes, it is the best consumer level product(i have no idea about server/business thermal paste, it could be better but its probably only sold in bulk), some may argue, but then again, some may argue that beer counts as a vegetable

edit: wording

[archilochus]

Heres a link were you can see some differences in TIMs.
AS 5 was not avalible at the time of testing.THE FANMAN:cool:

TEST LINK (http://www.a1-electronics.net/Heatsinks/2002-1st/HeatsinkPastes_Mar02_pg2.shtml) :D

[Shin Akuma]

The best grease is Shin Etsu X23-7804E3. Kicks Ceramique's ass and is NON-CONDUCTIVE! What more could you ask for?

[Jognt]

the shin etsu stuff is like very hard to apply, its very thick...

AS5 is also non conductive :P it is the other thing though... (the one allowing for cross-talk) it does NOT conduct high currents..

still, you should always pay attention when applying it anyway :)

(AS5 cools best, nothing is better...)

[jlin453]

It's funny. I don't pay attention to modding and this forum for two months. I come back to find out there's an Artic Silver 5???? :o

[Shin Akuma]

Originally posted by Jognt
the shin etsu stuff is like very hard to apply, its very thick...

AS5 is also non conductive :P it is the other thing though... (the one allowing for cross-talk) it does NOT conduct high currents..

still, you should always pay attention when applying it anyway :)

(AS5 cools best, nothing is better...)


Nope it's not thick dude, the G-751 is THICK but the new X23-7804E3 is not... consistency the same as AS.

[dalilman52]

i prefer to use as5 on my cpu and ceramique for highly sensitive areas like chipsets...

[stamasd]

Frankly for having used silicone-based stuff before and AS5 now, I must say I don't see much of a difference. Maybe 1 degree at most.

[Mr_H]

What was it that I read on Tom's Hardware.... Oh yea

A paste is a paste is a paste.

[AntmanMike]

AS, AS2, AS3, and AS5 are all capacitive, meaning they allow crosstalk but not current.

[dalilman52]

stamasd, the reason u are prolly not getting better temps is prolly cuz u didnt remove ALL of the previous TIM's minute particles left in the hs..u should lap and use acetone to remove any traces of the previous one..maybe u didnt, becuase i saw a big improvement over generic silicon junk and using AS5/ceramique

[Shin Akuma]

Haha you're kidding right? :D There's no difference in temps between your so-called "silicon junk" and Ceramique...

BTW it's "silicone" not silicon... :D

Test them in a controlled environment and you'll see.

[dalilman52]

shin akuma, its called a "typo" maybe uve heard of it

[omaticrail]

I'm about on board with Stamasd. When my old "junk" silicone began to fail after 1.5 years, resulting in a slow (6-month) rise of 4 degrees (C), I thought I'd get some AS5 and smack those temps back down.....oops. After a hundred hours of running with a high speed fan and several load-temp to shutdown cycles, temps are still 1 degree (C) higher than just before putting on the AS5, for a total of 5 degrees higher than I had on day one, two years ago, with the silicone "junk."

Actually I have to confess that I don't know that it is/was silicone. It's whatever was supplied by Swiftech in those days.

I used acetone to take the TIM off the CPU, and a combination of acetone and 1500 grit lapping to clean up the block. *shrug* I can't imagine doing any better than that, but am open to suggestions.

[mata2974]

HERE IS A HEAD TO HEAD COMPARISON BETWEEN 3 AND 5., 5 WINS ALL!!!!!!!!!!! LINK (http://www.short-media.com/article.php?123.0)

[omaticrail]

I think the point being made by some folks (at least by me), is that 5 may be better than 3, but it would seem there are other brands that are better than either. I realize that statement may make me a fool for not just bowing down to the masses that "believe," but I do not believe so easily, when my experience is the opposite. I'm happy to be wrong, cuz I already paid for this stuff, but I'm waiting for the proof. So far, I'm running hot on AS5.

[DaWiper]

Omaticrail> Have U tried cleaning between the fins on the sink. The dust collected there during 1-2 years will reduce the sink-performance..

[stamasd]

Originally posted by dalilman52
stamasd, the reason u are prolly not getting better temps is prolly cuz u didnt remove ALL of the previous TIM's minute particles left in the hs..u should lap and use acetone to remove any traces of the previous one..maybe u didnt, becuase i saw a big improvement over generic silicon junk and using AS5/ceramique

Sorry, but I put the AS5 on a brand new CPU (my 2nd Barton), and compare with the first one. And what I used on the other one wasn't even "thermal" paste, it was some generic silicone high viscosity grease used in vacuum pumps to provide seal under high vacuum. :)

[jhl3]

I dropped 1.8 C. I maybe put it on too thick for the full 2.0

[Shin Akuma]

Originally posted by mata2974
HERE IS A HEAD TO HEAD COMPARISON BETWEEN 3 AND 5., 5 WINS ALL!!!!!!!!!!! LINK (http://www.short-media.com/article.php?123.0)


That review is very suspect. I wouldn't trust it at all.

[Shin Akuma]

Originally posted by dalilman52
shin akuma, its called a "typo" maybe uve heard of it


Typo who? Never heard of him... :D

Yeah I know! It's just that so many people make this mistake...

[dalilman52]

Originally posted by Shin Akuma

Typo who? Never heard of him... :D


HAHA, ur just asking to be slapped right there :D but plz in the future dont correct typos...thats just...pointless

[mata2974]

what data do you have to offer against that review??? links

[dalilman52]

if that doesnt change ur mind, go here, its in chinese but u can just read the graph at the bottom, it also compares to ceramique (http://www.hkepc.com/hardware/arcticsilver5-cooler.htm) and u know the chinese never lie :D (im chinese so u cant say im being racist)

[mata2974]

thats as good as it gets, whats the difference between 3 and 5 in terms of chemical composition? or its a trade secret.

[Shin Akuma]

Originally posted by dalilman52


HAHA, ur just asking to be slapped right there :D but plz in the future dont correct typos...thats just...pointless


LOL the chinese lie all the time they even cheat a lot, I know I'm 30% chinese :D

But please don't be offended if someone corrects your typos...

But we japanese are 100% honest :D

[dalilman52]

Originally posted by Shin Akuma

But we japanese are 100% honest :D

lol...uve seriously gotta be kidding me...and for future reference, the chinese HATE the japanese, WWII, read up ur history u will see how the japanese raped our land, women, everything....

[Shin Akuma]

OK are you done trolling the boards now?

back to the topic...

All I can say is Shin-Etsu is the best thermal grease right now. Made in Japan, that's says a lot :D

The only problem is that it may be hard to obtain in the US...

[dalilman52]

are u living in japan? btw, AS5 beat shin-etsu in every test i could find...

[DaWiper]

How big are the difference between the various paste/grease sollutions? 1 dgr.? 10 dgr.? I've heard some say that the pads found on some heatsinks suck. I got some paste with my case(!). It's called:'Plowstar Silicone heat ak-100'. I believe that it is cheap and poor, why else give it away? anyone know it? tests?

[smish]

but then again, some may argue that beer counts as a vegetable

well, isn't it? if not, i have been severly lied to all my life :(

i wish lettuce could get you drunk. i would pheer it more

[Shin Akuma]

Beer is from malt, which is a vegetable, well sort of, it's a grain... So technically beer is a vegetable :D LOL


Originally posted by dalilman52
are u living in japan? btw, AS5 beat shin-etsu in every test i could find...


I'm in Hong Kong now...

Show me a test that compares AS5 with X23-7804E3, you won't find any...

What you saw were G-751 comparisons, gotta admit G-751 pretty much $ucks.

X23-7804E3 is a LOT BETTER, trust me... Now if you could only get your hands on this stuff you wouldn't have to doubt me...

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Shin Akuma
Beer is from malt, which is a vegetable, well sort of, it's a grain... So technically beer is a vegetable :D LOL





I'm in Hong Kong now...

Show me a test that compares AS5 with X23-7804E3, you won't find any...

What you saw were G-751 comparisons, gotta admit G-751 pretty much $ucks.

X23-7804E3 is a LOT BETTER, trust me... Now if you could only get your hands on this stuff you wouldn't have to doubt me...

G751 is a decent thermal paste, X23-7804E3/ 7762 is the red capped versions and Blue is the G-751, G-751 is a good paste as is Arctic Silver 5

Have you tested them all?

I'd like to see your tests numbers showing G-751 sucks and your comparison #'s that shows how you came to this conclusion

PS After reading this thread I made some inquiries about getting some X23-7804E3/ and 7762 and stacking them against AS-5 and G-751

Not doubting you but I will say, your stating G-751 sucks has me curious and I will see if your exaggerating.







Originally posted by Shin Akuma

X23-7804E3 is a LOT BETTER, trust me... Now if you could only get your hands on this stuff you wouldn't have to doubt me...

>>Edit at 2:55 AM 11/26/03

I can get my hands on some, Just ordered some X23, I will have it in a few days And I will put it against Arctic Silver 5, G-751 and Thermagon T-2500 FB

...Took me an hour and thirty minutes to inquire, and pay for some X23 paste in the middle of the night, I thought you said this stuff was hard to procure :rolleyes:

[Shin Akuma]

LOL don't judge the thermal grease by its cap :D My 7804E3 comes with a blue cap... blah blah blah this talk is irrelevant :D

Ah so you'll be getting some 7804E3... good for you. Just make sure you get the right grease, these Shin-Etsu stuff come unlabelled! Told ya twas hard to obtain in the US... don't tell me I didn't warn you LOL. You should be thankful procurement was that easy for you, instead of giving me that rolleyes sarcasm... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well if it was easy don't blame me for christ's sake.. I'm halfway around the world! :rolleyes:

What's your kung-fu Silversam?

Patience is a virtue, in due time you'll see my comprehensive thermal grease comparison featuring about 20 different thermal interface materials. Here's what I can tell you. T-grease 2500 performs about the same as G-751, to spare you the trouble of testing this "abrasive" grease. I'm sure you'll know why it's abrasive soon enough...

I do testing on TBredB, small contact patch. Performance on P4s will be different, you're using intel right? d@mn it's hard to see your sig gotta highlight it first... maybe you should try changing the color :D

I'm interested to see your results also... Maybe you could describe your methodology?

[Silversinksam]

Originally posted by Shin Akuma
LOL don't judge the thermal grease by its cap :D My 7804E3 comes with a blue cap... blah blah blah this talk is irrelevant :D

Ah so you'll be getting some 7804E3... good for you. Just make sure you get the right grease, these Shin-Etsu stuff come unlabelled! Told ya twas hard to obtain in the US... don't tell me I didn't warn you LOL. You should be thankful procurement was that easy for you, instead of giving me that rolleyes sarcasm... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well if it was easy don't blame me for christ's sake.. I'm halfway around the world! :rolleyes:

What's your kung-fu Silversam?

Patience is a virtue, in due time you'll see my comprehensive thermal grease comparison featuring about 20 different thermal interface materials. Here's what I can tell you. T-grease 2500 performs about the same as G-751, to spare you the trouble of testing this "abrasive" grease. I'm sure you'll know why it's abrasive soon enough...

I do testing on TBredB, small contact patch. Performance on P4s will be different, you're using intel right? d@mn it's hard to see your sig gotta highlight it first... maybe you should try changing the color :D

I'm interested to see your results also... Maybe you could describe your methodology?


I ordered both the X23-7804E3 and 7762 versions thanks for your concern.

Regarding the T2500 comparison to G751 I know they perform roughly the same.

[omaticrail]

Originally posted by DaWiper
Omaticrail> Have U tried cleaning between the fins on the sink. The dust collected there during 1-2 years will reduce the sink-performance..

I'm waaaaay late replying to his, and the answer is....sort of. The sink was soaked well in soapy water, and rinsed several times (part of the lapping process), plus I used an air compressor (95 psi) to blow the water out from between the pins. It has cleaned things up pretty well, but there may yet be residual dust in there. I just don't know how to really scrub all those pins, ya know?

[omaticrail]

UPDATE:

Before this latest remount I thoroughly every stinking pin on the MC462a. I also changed a bunch of other variables specifically to get the thing hot (spead up the pump-out that comes with thermal cycles). I'll re-configure the machine to normal running mode after a couple days and see how the temps are this time.