just hand picked a 2500 barton.

[deathstar13]

picked one up friday but have been to busy to mess with it much.

AQZFA 0340 UPMW 2500 barton
is brown with the newer see thru curcits like teh greenies.
and yes its unlocked as i checked the thread here first before buying it.

so far did 2300mhz @1.65v

looks nice so far but will hit a wall soon with cooling.
does 50c@1.75v 2369mhz while folding.

kinda got lucky on finding it,i went to a local shop in columbus ohio and it was pushed behind some newer stock so it sat there a bit longer. :D

[pacino]

Nice, congrats :)

[dalilman52]

gj, i also hand-picked mine at directron (www.directron.com) its the best OCer ive ever had..but considering the only one i had b4 this is an athlon 900...doesnt say much, but hand-picking does a good job..good luck overclocking that beast
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[mikapc]

So how much better does the extra cache on the barton 2500's do for performance in comparison to older athlons.

[dalilman52]

the extra cache would make up for a lower speed, say a t-bred 256 cache is running at 2.4 ghz, but if a barton 512 cache is running at 2.3 or 2.2, it would be able to outperform the t-bred 2.4 or get close to its performance, its almost like moving from a 256 mb stick of memory to 512..rough comparison tho
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[ColtIce]

Originally posted by deathstar13


kinda got lucky on finding it,i went to a local shop in columbus ohio and it was pushed behind some newer stock so it sat there a bit longer. :D
i'm in columbus.where didyou pick it up?computer success?

[dalilman52]

u can always try a store that stocks a bunch of procs and would have a lot in stock
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[deathstar13]

Originally posted by ColtIce

i'm in columbus.where didyou pick it up?computer success? yeh was computer success.
they know me rather well by now.great guys to deal with also.

micro center next door has 2500's also and some applebred durons but the 2500 is more expensive.

im having trouble getting this ram over 180fsb stable.
177x13 2.3ghz @1.65v passing prime.
2350mhz takes 1.75v
2400 takes 1.8v

i bought the hyperx 3000 in hopes of having bh5 chips in it but is kingston chips instead and really sux over clocking wise.
is good enough for now until i see which way i take my cpu/mobo in the next few months.

[ColtIce]

thanks for the heads up.yeah i love that store i have bought quite a bit of stuff from them myself

[deathstar13]

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/Clipboard023.jpg

been a battle but looks super strong at above settings.
not bad for hyperx 3000 either.

also ty hoot! for the prime95 tips on the priority.

[c627627]

deathstar13, what ended up hapening with the Thorton, did you end up getting double cache out of it, and if not, please post links to people that did if you happened to know the threads that duscussed it.

I'm interested to know, when they freed up the Thorton cache, did they do it on old CPUs.

Does this mean locked chips also locked their cache? But why, the pit was there, visible? Maybe it needed to be connected in a different way (what's the story with fake bridge ends on top?)

I plan on pushing this issue as soon as I finish testing the 2100+ I have which I'm doing right now...

How much do Bartons cost in computer shops as opposed to newegg?

[deathstar13]

Originally posted by c627627
deathstar13, what ended up hapening with the Thorton, did you end up getting double cache out of it, and if not, please post links to people that did if you happened to know the threads that duscussed it.

I'm interested to know, when they freed up the Thorton cache, did they do it on old CPUs.

Does this mean locked chips also locked their cache? But why, the pit was there, visible? Maybe it needed to be connected in a different way (what's the story with fake bridge ends on top?)

I plan on pushing this issue as soon as I finish testing the 2100+ I have which I'm doing right now...

How much do Bartons cost in computer shops as opposed to newegg? i still have the thorton. did 2250@1.8v
ill keep it as a backup cpu.

if the cpu is locked multi wise then the xtra cache is locked out also. as to why the pits? i dunno why still have a cut on the L2's
ive tried everything to get the multis and cache nothing works.

the 2500 i paid $99 locally and its a retail box.

[maxima88]

I agree that one of the best sources of the "Choice" steppings is the local computer store.

I found my XP2600+ AQZFA 0337 and so did HOOT at these small mom and pop stores close to where we live. And we can go through the stock and pick which ones we want. Granted we might pay $10-$15 more than these online pc sites but it's worth not having to wait a few days while it ships.

Good find there Deathstar13.

[deathstar13]

im starting to notice micro center in columbus now carries abit nf7-s's and wild stuff such as conductive silver pens.
of course $10-$20 higher than newegg.

i have no doubt this cpu could easily do 2.5ghz on h20
and hopefully it will satisfy me enough so i can keep this combo until the prescotts hit the streets without wanting to upgrade again.

[ColtIce]

i just wish they would get some better heatsinks

[jonspd]

Here's mine folding

http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/c/dcracer/stuff/2500.gif

I think the one you have might end up with a litte better overclock due to the fact you dont stop ! LOL

[deathstar13]

very true on the heatsinks.
but i did see a zalman h20 sink,and i bought a thermaltake +11 all copper volcano at computer success for $20.

i almost bought a xp2000 tbredB CS had also.was too much $$$ going out so i passed.

I think the one you have might end up with a litte better overclock due to the fact you dont stop ! LOL

thats a nice oc man! well in the end if i hold onto this combo mabey it will be higher.
yeh i am kinda obsessive huh? :D
but im limited to 1.75vcore as i get 48-50c in prime.
but im gonna remount the HS and try a few others i have.
i was able to run my thorton at 1.85v on a cheaper hs.so some fiddling there today may nudge me over 2.4 ghz !

[jonspd]

Cool My old 2100 that I have runing in my 8rda system is running 212x11.5 with 1.888 volts 100 % stable both rig's I get 15K on my ti4200 rig barton and 12K on my geforce 3 rig with mt 2100 in 3dmark scorces. O well are you going intel are going to get a 64bit amd? OR both LOL

P.S. I had 2 barton's I tested that would reboot @ 1.95 in bios vcore no matter what I tried and now I have this one that will run 1.95 in bios but I dont like my tempy's

[deathstar13]

hmmm must be the xtra 256k of cache heating this up.
the HS i had on the thorton isnt no better than the volcano.

i think the a64 line is bunk as it is higher multi locked and shows no perfomance over the current p4c

the fx51 is great but not for $800 and $200 for a mobo.

most likley just get a prescott if isnt to much or even a cheap p4c if i have no patience.

i had issues before of things not liking high vcore also.usually better cooling fixed that,say like when i added h20.

from the looks of this ill never be over 1.75vcore on air :(

just so you know a +11 volcano isnt far off from a slk900 performance wise.what temps you get maxed out vcore/mhz with prime?

[jonspd]

Also what bios version will really depend on our temp difference bios 10 report alittle higher for me. D19 here 2.370 with 1.9vcore in bios and 1.85 MBM5 I get no more then 41c load when running prime for 24+.

[deathstar13]

im useing bios 19
vcore in bios 1.8v and 1.74v in mbm
i think i need a tad more vcore also.

i redid my HS and fixed a few things on it and now it dropped 2c
48c isnt great tho.

i also bent my socket thermisiter up so i know its making cantact 100% on the cpu.

god i dont wanna buy another hs! nor h20 yet!

[deathstar13]

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/barton2500@2422.jpg


one more step in the right direction :D

gonna need much more "prime95" time as i dont like big jumps in vcore without conditioning the cpu.

im useing priority5 on prime95 btw but long as it stays under 50c and finishes 24 hours ill be happy.

[jonspd]

This was before I uped my rails on my psu as you can tell if you look @ the fan speed and rails but was done with the same chip as I'am running now was 100% stable also.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/c/dcracer/stuff/2500%20copy.gif

[deathstar13]

yeh i had to adjust my psu's rails also.
kinda evedent with 12.30v :D

anyhow the rig is being difficult and iim having to switch up settings.
now at 12x200 1.84vcore 2.4ghz
48c now

just when i say something is looking stable it fails lol
so ill just say its running!

[KnownKiller]

Deathstar, ever consider making a duct to your CPU fan? That way only cooler air enters from outside the case.. That way the hot air pumping off the CPU dont recirculate back into the CPU and the hot air can find its way to the exhast fan.

I've done that years ago and its the only way i say to do highend air cooling.

[deathstar13]

well id agree but im useing the po-boy method,no case :D
i love high vcore +2v and that isnt even possable with air cooling.

i really dont want to invest much in cooling as i know me ill be buying h20 or prometia cooling in a few months.

seems mabey im gonna be close to jonspd's voltage 1.76-1.78vcore @210x11 to be stable.
i had to go back to 2.3ghz as i think my cooling was way to close to 50c with 1.85v

[KnownKiller]

Wierd.. When i had that NF7-S v2.0 runing with my 2100+ B at 2500 on air with the same heatsink as yours with a Delta 68CFM fan @ 2.04v the highest i seen the temp was around i think 46c.

Right now i have the same chip in an older board (Abit KX7-333 R) @ 2.0v and its sittin here it 32C in windows right now and the highest it will go in prime95 is around 37-38c. Same heatsink and fan w/ this duct.

http://www.westcoastpcs.com/KnownKiller/customcase/CPUDuct/DSC01024.JPG

Looks like this installed... its my old case..

http://www.westcoastpcs.com/KnownKiller/customcase/CPUDuct/DSC01021.JPG

hehe but since yours is outside your case then hehe.. all good i guess.

[deathstar13]

nice duct work man.
yes definatly is best route when useing air cooling.

my problem is i hate noise,and with a 5000rpm screamer sitting on my desk its sure to get changed fast.

about the temps seeming high i did bend that insocket thermister up and i had to push the chip down to make it lay flat in the socket.mabey this is why?

[KnownKiller]

Thanks...

Yeah it may be cause ya bent it up to touch the CPU.

Anyways i'd keep her down a notce like your going to since you wouldnt want to blow that thing up before the water cooling.

[deathstar13]

Originally posted by jonspd
Cool My old 2100 that I have runing in my 8rda system is running 212x11.5 with 1.888 volts 100 % stable both rig's I get 15K on my ti4200 rig barton and 12K on my geforce 3 rig with mt 2100 in 3dmark scorces. O well are you going intel are going to get a 64bit amd? OR both LOL

P.S. I had 2 barton's I tested that would reboot @ 1.95 in bios vcore no matter what I tried and now I have this one that will run 1.95 in bios but I dont like my tempy's

im having issues that mine cpu wont run at or above 1.93vcore in bios.gives 1.86vcore actual.
but when i try i get bsod's
i think ive had this happen before but i forget is it cpu related or mobo related?

my mosfets and caps seem rather cool since my heatsinks exaust flows over them.

i can get prime to pass 2360mhz at 1.875v in bios
but im working on 2.4ghz at 1.9vcore bios but i need 1.93 imo

i think when i went to h20 it cured this issue,but alas was a while ago.
im priming 2.4 ghz and 1.9vcore too see if it holds out.
is 1.84v actual tho.

[jonspd]

I would say you are thinking about the high core shutoff the 8rda's had that we had to mod by cutting a trace. I think that the high 1.95+ vcore problems with the bartons are heat related I have had one that will run 1.95 out of 3 the other 2 always gave bsod's after a few hour's of prime. I think that the barton's put out more wattage thrus relatting in more heat and causeing the cpu's to fail. BTW thats just my O.

[deathstar13]

yup now ya mention it it was the 8rda as i had a few of those.
well im priming 200x12 @1.93v bios 1.86v actuall
once i was able to get into windows it has been doing fine.
temp is 49c-50c but i think adjusting that thermister makes it higher than most peoples readings.

is passing prime rather well but will surely fail as soon as i submit this reply lol
anyhow this is as far as air cooling will let me go even if i get it 100% prime stable.