Has AMD made a mistake with the 1.4Ghz?

[Traz]

Am I the only person that seems to think that AMD are becoming a pain in the ass? It seems to me to be too much faffing about with the 1.4Ghz just to get the damn thing cool enough without overclocking a thing, or is this where I am going wrong?

I am loosing faith, I have gone down to a 1.2Ghz and am now considering going back over to Intel.....Yipes!

So, tell me guys [& girls] what is the best way to cool down these beasts?

[Richard]

What heatsink do you currently have?

I'd suggest popping over to the cooling section and looking around at what the top suggestions are for heatsinks and fans.

While you're looking around, check out the front page of overclockers.com. You'll see there are a bunch of heatsinks that have been tested.

Also, start thinking about thermal paste. Arctic Silver, is a brand that is pretty well accepted. Even though silicone paste seems to work pretty well - why skimp on a few bucks for cooling?

[Traz]

I will take a look into some serious heatsinks.
I had a chat with a bloke from AMD and questioned him about the 1.4Ghz. This bloke clearly new nothing about CPU's and Windows. He reckoned that AMD built this CPU to run at anything up to 90 degrees. Can you believe that? He said 90 would not be a problem, what the frig does he know? My system can't stay afloat over 65!

I am lucky, I simply put back the 1.4Ghz and took a 1.2Ghz from where I work. I took the easy option, but I feel that I have failed :o(

[Jon]

I have the same problem. My 1.4 @ 1.6 is at default voltage and I can't keep it below 54C at load no matter what I do.

I've tried both a ThermoEngine with Delta and a Millenium Glaciator. Use Arctic Silver II on both and makes no difference at all.

Case temps stay around 25C 24/7. Don't know what else to try. I do need another HS/fan combo when I get RMA back from Intel so I may order an SK6 and see how it does. I've got nothing to lose but heat :]

[Placid]

My case temp shows 26c and cpu 48c under load.
I use a blizzard s370 heatsink with a sunon 23cfm fan.
I would think you would be cooler than me.

[Jon]

I would think so too. I even have the stock ThermoEngine fan bolted to the side of my Glaciator and still does no good. Case temp is actually 20.6C...was my mistake so that makes it even more strange.

Don't know of anything else to do. Just going to find the best copper heat sink I can and stick a Delta on it. All that's left to try.

[BboySkid]

if your getting your temps from your MBM they might be off by like 5 degrees, hopefully too high!
thats the only thing i could think of, 54 is a little toasty

[Placid]

Well I got mine here:
http://www.blizzardheatsinks.com/
I dont see anyone else using it that I have noticed.
I picked it up because tom's hardware had a comparison of 40 some heatsinks and this one was listed close to the best and it was only using a 5000rpm fan.
I cant use a 7000 my wife would throw my pc out :)

[Jon]

I use Hardware Sensors Monitor Pro.

I'm going to stick a room fan in here tomorrow. I rent a room out of a house and he never has the A/C on so I'm thinking that might help a little in the interim until I can get a more powerful HS/fan combo. It's just a little warm in here to me so it can't be good for these PCs. I have 3 sitting right together in this room alone so that doesn't help the heat situation much either.

My P3 runs at 40C under load with the ThermoEngine/Delta combo on it as well, so it's got to be circulating less than what I would consider "cool" air in there.

Never had this problem til I moved to CA.

[wild_andy_c]

This won't take long.

1. Are they stable ?
2. Are you using onboard thermisistors to measure temperatyre - because they are just gimmickery.

[Traz]

My system was not stable. I had speradic locks and self-rebooting problems. I heard of new CPU's having idle time turn-offs so I upped the bios. This only gave me a 2 degree higher temp.

I had a friend of mine take a look [UnSeenMenace], he advised the new bios update in the hopes of lowering the temps that I was getting.

I stupidly thought that the case [Lian Li PC 60 USB] I had nabbed would show me some real improvements. This did not happen.

Any suggestions?

[rugby]

Originally posted by Traz


Any suggestions?

Yes, send me your cpu and I'll trade you my Duron 750 that runs really cool...:) Seriously though, I've had heat problems with 3 different AMD chips, 1 650 Duron, 1 750 Duron, 1 1.2 Tbird. No stability problems at stock speed, but overclock them a little and heat definitely becomes a factor. I've gone to watercooling but heat once again rears its' nasty head. I was playing Diablo 2 LOD this weekend and my normally stable system kept freezing. I had to take it WAY down in both speed and voltage to remain stable. I couldn't figure out what was going on.

[ReTiCuLeX]

Hey wild andy speaking of 1.4s I got one and I can't overclock without crashing because my +5 voltage is low as 4.68. Is there a mod I can do to make it higher if you know of one for the enermax psu or my epox 8k7a mobo plz post thanks man.:cool:

[dozier768]

"if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen" my freinds 1.4 hits 51 c at full load, and thats with a coolermaster and no case mods, just with the sides open, dont trust that probe, your problems may not be temp related

[killem1x1]

Originally posted by Jon
I have the same problem. My 1.4 @ 1.6 is at default voltage and I can't keep it below 54C at load no matter what I do.

I've tried both a ThermoEngine with Delta and a Millenium Glaciator. Use Arctic Silver II on both and makes no difference at all.

Case temps stay around 25C 24/7. Don't know what else to try. I do need another HS/fan combo when I get RMA back from Intel so I may order an SK6 and see how it does. I've got nothing to lose but heat :]

I had these same problems. (With case-covers off)
I stayed right at 140f constatntly. So, I went to water and got down to 101f, and am now into pelt and will post those temps after I get the new PSU in place, but I think that water will be the only way unless you do like some of the others and do some serious case modding.
I found that the Ambient (80f in my corner of the house) plays a HUGE part in cooling these bad-boyz. Don't even attempt O'cing it with a stock hsf.
Just my opinion.

[mhamm]

I have T-Bird 1.4 currently at 1.4 and I bought a DD water-cooling kit, and i get 31 degrees C idle, 34 degrees C load. I have plenty of room for overclocking and upping the voltage... water cooling kits are well worth it IMHO. Mine was only about 190 or so too... thats nice considering i can probably use this kit on every computer im going to own in the future too. BTW these temps are all in MBM5.

Matt

[Superman53142]

Originally posted by mhamm
I have T-Bird 1.4 currently at 1.4 and I bought a DD water-cooling kit, and i get 31 degrees C idle, 34 degrees C load. I have plenty of room for overclocking and upping the voltage... water cooling kits are well worth it IMHO. Mine was only about 190 or so too... thats nice considering i can probably use this kit on every computer im going to own in the future too. BTW these temps are all in MBM5.

Matt

Watercooling is a good solution, but expensive. I mean, after spending $170 on the CPU it'd be hard to cough up another $190 for cooling it.

[M@€$†®Ö™]

I wonder if the limits of Air Cooling are being reached ? How many more innovations can they come up with for Air Cooling ? Perhaps Intel is a Alternative ? Did I just say That ?!?!?

Maestro

[killem1x1]

Originally posted by Superman53142


Watercooling is a good solution, but expensive. I mean, after spending $170 on the CPU it'd be hard to cough up another $190 for cooling it.

You can actually get in water for much less, but a kit is good for "first-timers" IMO.
If you check some of the articles off the main page there are some excellent "how-to's" on how to get into water cheap, ie don't buy a kit, go to the junkyard, or buy a $26.00 "oil-cooler" Rad from auto supply, get your hose and hose clamps, go down to the fish shop, pick up a $32.00 pump, grab some copper bar stock, and there ya go ;), but guess what...
I bought a kit as well, and then found out about the inexpensive way. If I had it to do over, I'd buy the DD maz2-2 along with the fantastic holdown, and purchase everything else myself.:D

[RED Hot Machine]

It you take time over getting the cooling right in your case, you can get good overclocks from the 1.4. Using standard 80mm fans and the bog standard hsf I was getting temps from 58 - 68 degress c. After a few mods and adding a delta fan i'm getting 38 to 42 degress c running at load overclocked at 1.6. The only thing that is hold me back going higher is my memory.

1.4T bird is the biz!!!!!!

[setmaster77]

im not sure i think it might be.:p

[scap]

If you guys aren't useing artic siliver you guys don't knw the way. i thought i had ruined my cpu when installing it untill i went to this stuff. 65C to 45C. 20C is a big jump wouldn't use anything else and whatever you do don't use the crap at radio shack.

[sfa ok]

Originally posted by scap
If you guys aren't useing artic siliver you guys don't knw the way. i thought i had ruined my cpu when installing it untill i went to this stuff. 65C to 45C. 20C is a big jump wouldn't use anything else and whatever you do don't use the crap at radio shack.

Were you using Radio Shack goo before that? Something else must have been wrong if you were, maybe the hsf wasn't seated correctly. AS2 doesn't make that much of a difference when compared to RS goo.

[Traz]

It's weird how one person can obtain a different temp from another when both are using exactly the same products.

These 1.4's strike me as being a little strange, something is not right. I have handled dozens of these beasts now, building systems with exactly the same products. Temps vary from 27 degrees right up to 72 degrees.

The hottest I have seen was a system with a geforce 3, 60gb 7200rpm hdd and a 1.4 - This ran over 72 degrees with no problems at all [other than it could have cooked me some breakfast!

[dugans]

I'm not running a fast cpu, just a k6-2 450, and no h20, but I have found a couple of things that work great for airflow patterns, at least in my cases:

I run 1 fan sucking air in- bottom front (good results with a second right over the cpu in another pc)

1 fan blowing out over the psu

1 fan on top blowing out

2 old 486 fans inside the case blowing air past the pci/isa cards

I don't remember the fan sizes because I haven't been inside the rig for about a year, but it runs cool, stable up to 550 mhz and win nt only needs to be rebooted maybe once every 3 months at that clock.
Its only running at 450 now, so I haven't rebooted for 7 or 8 months.

[Nitestorm]

You think your T-bird is hot, well consider the Intel Itanium which is producing around 130W of heat and thats not even overclocked.

[GuNRocK]

as far as i know there are hsf made for up to 900 or was it 950mhz duron/athlon i have one when i overclocked it was sooooooo hot...and there is one up to 1.2ghz 1.3ghz and 1.5ghz i got the VolcanoII up to 1.5ghz so i hope that gives me plenty of room for overclocking my 1ghz tbird...on my old skool a7v rev 1.01 sicne i cant overclock my whole comp its mostly the cpu over here since my mobo wont boot up past 107FSB

if u bought your hsf retail with the chip...i am guessing that they skimped you out and gave u a 1.3ghz hsf but it still kept the temp under the 90c mark so they shiped it....i might have no clue what i am talking about but plz correct me if i am wrong
:D

[supraway]

What AMD needs to do is come out with a new motherboard standard (to accomidate larger heatsinks), and to increase contact area of the die. Intel's response to increasing temperatures is to create a larger heatsink and fan. Larger heatsink=more area, and larger and quieter fan.