strange problem at 1 gig from a 800E

[phantom punisher]

i just built my first computer with the help of my friends. it runs great the way it is but its fun to mess with. my problem is that when i go to 1000mhz on my Vp6 motherboard i get all sorts of trouble when trying to restart windows. it boots up fine, playes games and all that jazz but when i go to restart the next day win2k will often tell me that files in my user profile are corupt or missing and i have to use the emergency repair disk to get the candle lite again. i think that when i shut down widows and it saves my settings that it cant do it properly at 125fsb. does that sound right? i have a cheap maxtor harddrive that is a 5200rpm unit. heat isnt a problem(cpu never gets above a100 f)nor is the memory(pc150 128mb). any input or questions would help. thank you

[cjtune]

What you have here is a marginally stable system. I had experienced this before and it's usually like this: The first few times is OK, heck I can even play Diablo for hours. But as time goes on, Windows will start to crash more and more often. I got suspicious and downloaded a set of programs to check for the stability and guess what? It was my mobo that couldn't take the speed. Marginally systems only produce small errors every few minutes now and then. Because it's so minor, most applications will usually overlook them. But these errors will accumulate and in the end, Windows was so corrupted, I just nuked (formatted) my entire HDD and started another clean install. BTW, I think that WinNT (and possibly Win2k) systems are less tolerant of o/c'ed processors... Anyhow, try these set of utilities I've attached.

[phantom punisher]

thank you very much. you descibed my problem exactly. i am thinking of puting win 98 on when i get back to school and dumping the 2k. im glad to here that thats probley a good idea. i havnt tryed the 333 thing with the memory, woulds that help me in the mean time even though it nuters performence? i cant wait to get home and try out those programs. thanks again!

[WizardCalledJosh]

Phantom,
I'd like to check out a program that checks for stability, what was the name of the prog you used, and maybe could you point me in a direction to find it? Thanks

[DocClock aka MadClocker]

Windows 2000 runs fine at 140fsb, with the right mem, cpu, cooling, etc.
I ran win2k with a abit be6 at 140fsb for about 1 year, well almost,and never had any problems, until I installed the service pack. I am now considering uninstalling the sp1, so to say that win2k cannot handle o'c'ed systems is hogwash, and the only reason I haven't taken that system further is the tnt2m64 can't handle the bus above 140, but I don't know as the BE6 only goes from 140fsb to150..nothing in between, so I moved this chip to an SH6 which has the 1/2 agp.
The BE6 has a PIII 500 (katmai) and it runs at only 600,and it reboots,gets protection errors,etc. It's just the juck of the draw,and with that, I would look into better cooling, uping the voltage,and borowing a stick of pc133, as some of those so called "pc150 hsdram" would do only 124 at cas2 or 3. Those would be the main things I would look at,also if that is an old drive, that might be it also. Good Luck

[phantom punisher]

dont mind this its just a duplicate im trying to get rid of

[phantom punisher]

thanks!the hd is a the cheapest 30 gig i could find but it is new from the box. ive got plenty of time on this break to fiddle with this win 2k.ill remember the tip on the pc150(it seemed almost to good to be true at 90$). right now im working on burning in the cpu. the poor old girl is still freshand hasnt been treated nice(i overclocked before i even installed win). ive got this prg called "cpu stability test" and it ran for 11 hours at 1 gig. does this sound good? im also runing the seti screen saver. ive learned tons from reading the forum. ive got my fingure crossed and a lot of time to kill, so ill try enything some one can recomend. btw my motherboard is a abit vp6. does anyone know a prg thaT can change the fsb of this board in win?

[Napalm]

Try SoftFSB by H.Oda
http://www.h-oda.com

[phantom punisher]

i tryed that program but it doesnt sopport my mobo or PLL. i cant seem to email him or the other programs maker. my PLL has on top:
phaselink
PLL202-11xc
0042D 20037
i asume its a new clock generator because i cant find a program or plugin that will sopport it. thanks though, that softfsb is a cool program.

[sylor]

phantom punisher (Jan 03, 2001 11:40 p.m.):
i just built my first computer with the help of my friends. it runs great the way it is but its fun to mess with. my problem is that when i go to 1000mhz on my Vp6 motherboard i get all sorts of trouble when trying to restart windows. it boots up fine, playes games and all that jazz but when i go to restart the next day win2k will often tell me that files in my user profile are corupt or missing and i have to use the emergency repair disk to get the candle lite again. i think that when i shut down widows and it saves my settings that it cant do it properly at 125fsb. does that sound right? i have a cheap maxtor harddrive that is a 5200rpm unit. heat isnt a problem(cpu never gets above a100 f)nor is the memory(pc150 128mb). any input or questions would help. thank you

I think you need to up your voltage to the next level. Windows 2k gives you one of file is corrupted error is because your cpu doesnot have enough voltage for windows to load file at cold boot. I got this problem everytime I tried to increase my fsb and leave voltage unchange. After increase the voltage, windows 2k boots up no problem whatsoever.

[3D_WARRIOR]

Its common knowledge that Maxtor HDD's don't like the higher PCI frequencies.

[phantom punisher]

This thing is crazy. I burned in the cpu with burnbx and seti. It ran those no problem. Then i used a program called stability test. It ran that for 11 hours no prob. So just when i feel the battel is won it pulls that user profile coruption thing. It also tells me at disk check that files along the lines of user settings are too long and that it needs to truncate them. I even had my memory settings set up for my kingmax stick and the fsb was at 115 with 10 extra for the cpu with 1.85v. could it be that the maxtor hd is that picky? its only 115 hiting it right? I know my memory isnt the best in the world but im not asking that much am i? I mean this thing can do anything but shut down and turn back on again. and it will even do that for days with out a problem. It realy seems to have a problem when i unplug it and move it somewhere and try to start it up. is that a severe cold start that could be perticuarly hard on it? this thing is a vp6 with a golden orb, p3 800E, and kingmax pc150. i thought that would be a sure bet. i like challenge but id rather get it going for1.2 gigs or something:) ive learn a lot in the process though, probley more than most computer users. im almost ready to try buying a new hd. Id rather put that money toward turning my rig into a dualy, so throw me a bone:)

[The Master]

phantom punisher (Jan 04, 2001 08:03 p.m.):
thank you very much. you descibed my problem exactly. i am thinking of puting win 98 on when i get back to school and dumping the 2k. im glad to here that thats probley a good idea. i havnt tryed the 333 thing with the memory, woulds that help me in the mean time even though it nuters performence? i cant wait to get home and try out those programs. thanks again!

I don't know if you know this but I'll say it anyway.
Windows 98 does NOT support dual proccessors, so your second cpu would just be dead weight....
- That is if you are not running in single CPU mode...
On my BP6, I couldn't o/c one inch in win2k! in win98 I could O/C to 700! I think it is a big riddle for people to solve, many people have this problem...

[Just shoot]

Have the same problem with 850@ 1003. I'm using PC 150 tinybga ram but know for a fact that its stable at 142 FSB, so that can be thrown out. I'm really starting to think thats it the chips both the 800 and 850's. I've changed every setting in thats bios and monkeyed around for hours and hours to know end.

[ken]

i got some neat problems also.. need help too... i cant' post correctly during cold boot up.. i gotta peltier.. so theoritically heat is not an issue, along with the 7 fans and open side. i do have some generic pc133 ram also.. and i noticed i can't run past 128 fsb. want to hit 133fsb for the more friendly agp division, but i can't. if you get some cas2 or 3 ram and it fixes all you problems, please tell me.. i'm kinda cheap, and broke from the peltier. otherwise i've been told that each chip has it's own max threshold of speed regardless of heat. could be our case!

[phantom punisher]

alright this is where im at. my motherboard has a setting where i can give the cpu some extra mhz with out efecting the rest of the system. currently the system is getting a conservitive 103fsb while my cpu is getting 22 more for 125fsb total. thats the same old 125x8=1 gig that ive been trying all along. so far it has produced no problems on the 6 check diskes ive scedualed for restarts. thats a very big improvment in my case. it always used to find something to complain about. i should say that to get it to boot at this setting it needs 1.9v and detuned(or stock) memory settings in the bios. so ill see if my luck keeps up. if so then its not my cpu. i have a hard time thinking that the 800s are worse than the700s. i mean they all come of the same asembley lines. i would be suprized if all p3s were not made on the same machines regardles of what country or speed. but enyway my cpu is at 1 gig and ill keep my eye on it. maybe it will get all defencive and work just to prove that it, and all its 800 class brothers, are worthy cpus:)

[phantom punisher]

wow this thing is like a record of my overclocking experience. all the way down here i have like twice the understanding of the goings on. so my cpu deffinatly has a problem. i did a cold start last night and it found problems in scan disk. quite the bummer. ive resently learned from tim that burn in takes 2-3 weeks so its not over yet. also there is this glimer of hope in this vcc3 setting in bios. i dont know what it is( i have another post asking for help) ill play with it next week. thanks again to everone.

[phantom punisher]

well if got win98 in and im writing this at 1080mhz. scan disks have found no problems. 3d stuff is a little scetchy. but id did just do counterstrick on the net.
heres the profile:
win98pluse
ata/100
pci clock is 31mgz
cpu clk is 135mgz
memory clk is 166mgz
i/ov is 3.6(havnt tryed lowering yet)
cpu v is 1.85
all memory settings are tweaked and im running this cas3 at cas2
its simply amazing, but i dont under stand why, so im gonna post in operating sytems.

[gdog]

YOu said u overclocked before installing windows??? you are meant to install then over clock or you will have problems.Keep the cpu standard while installing the os and all drivers then overclock it.

[phantom punisher]

ive tryed that to. i put windows 2k in a total of 11 times. a few were tryed overclocked, some underclocked. all had the exact same outcome. its a strange one, huh.

[phantom punisher]

well the problem with win 2k has been solved. thank god i couldnt take anouther day of win 9X. it was the hard drive that couldnt handke the data rate of my ata/100. im on the standard ide#1. it wasnt the pci bus speed, its always been 31mhz. i guy here at school helped me out. hes got to win2k machines overclocked. so ill have to go to the store and buy a better hd to run stuff from and ill keep this one for storage. ps im at 1050 right now in win 2k . final score:
computer 999 points
me 1000 points
im am victorious. thanks to all. ill be back to try and help others i think i had a situation that will happen to many new computer users due to the cheap prices of the outdated but large hds.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Aey Phantom,

What a coincidence.. I have been having "EXACTLY 10000%" same kind of problem as yours! It's not the Operating systems,.. it's not the RAM,... it's not the CPU.... It's the STUPID hard drive!!!!!! I found that problem too..... also Tim believed that it's the Hard drive that's been screwing up when Only Cold booting. I been having ONLY the Cold Booting problems for 12 months, it's incredible aint it??? LOL. I didn't have the money to buy a "better" hard drive all this time. I am going to save "a Lot" of money and make VERY sure that which Hard drive is strictly designed run well at very high FSB speed, ie.. 150FSB to 200FSB+, I dont give a damn how much it will cost, Im willing to give everything I got. hehe... As you can see, i am sick because I been dealing with this problem for sooooooo long(1 year) im going crazy.

To GDog, BTW.. whether overclocking or not overclocking before installing any kind of operating system doesn't make any difference because I have done "standard clocking", "underclocking", and "overclocking" before installing windows but I get "exact" same problem like Phantom's been having. I did this same old wipe-out HD, Fresh install windows98se for approx. 300 times or more in just One year, hehe.. It's the Hard drive.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Oh I forgot to mention this... However,.. If I run my system with this Seagate hard drive at just 100mhz FSB, I dont have the registry problem probably because this darn thang is meant to run at 100mhz bus. That is my best guess. This damn thing acts up even I just bump the FSB to 110, what a piece of junk! lol.