Which P3 cpu better?

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Hey dudes, I killed my piece of crap P3 800EB cpu by mistake and I want to get either P3 700E or 750E. Which one is better for overclocking potential? Do both have similar mhz limit such as "upto" 1Ghz? My spec is:

Abit BE6-2 Rev1.2
128MB PC150 Mushkin 322
CL Annihilator2 GTS 32mb
SB Live

[Tim-]

Both are good choices, but the 700 will give you more FSB choices from the MB when you get towards the end. You can go up in FSB easier than trying to come down, and being stuck below 133 with high bus speeds.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Thanks Tim!

[Napalm]

I'd go with the 700MHz myself, try to find a cC0
PCNut has 700 cC0's guaranteed @933 and 1050MHz

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Thanks Napalm! : )

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Oh one more thang.. When I get ready to order the P3 700e cC0 processor at PC Nut, do I need to ask them for verification or will i get that stepping automatically? thnx! : )

[Tim-]

I think he might have both, but if you mention that you prefer one, that's what you should get. He's very OC aware and a GREAT guy to deal with.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Thanks Tim!

[Morpheus]

Milkpowder... Don't give it to tempation~!

DO NOT BUY A PRETESTED CPU!!!! (from anybody)

They are the bain to our hobby. Why would you go and spend extra $$$ just to get guarenteed less than a GHz?

It is going to be the pretesters that end this for all of us. Do you think that if CPU manufactureres see the pretesters making extra bucks off of their goods there not going to try and make those dollars for themselves?

Intel and AMD both will begin to test their chips within A LOT tighter spec and, "Good-bye P700@1000Ghz".

Besides, what happens to those chips that don't make the grade? Do they get sent out to the "regular" CPU users? Have they been damaged by overvolting the core?

What happens if the big guys start getting a bunch of "returns" from these regular customers and it is linked to the pretesters? I GOOD reason for the Marketing Dept. to say, "Lock 'em up" (the CPUs that is). AMD will not have an easily unlockable multiplier and we'll be lucky to get than a MHz increase on the FSB with Intel...

So, what happens to overclocking then?

Besides, what fun is it? Where is the sense of adventure? Does the feeling of paying too much for the same 700 or 750MHz chip a getting the promised "Gig," even measure up to buying a retail "virgin" (You can't even get your hands on an OEM chip anymore that hasn't been pretested a half dozen times--by my estimate) and getting that gig yourself? I think not!

Live a little.

[Tim-]

I agree pretty much across the board with your statements, however...

There are a lot of folks that have heard of overclocking and are anxious to reap some of the benefits. They come to forums like this one seeking information (not necessarily knowledge) and if they are lucky they will learn enough to get the easier chips to run at good speeds. They are not necessarily looking for a new hobby. Many become addicted I'm sure, but not all fall into that category.

This contributes to the pretested market just like the many advertisements appearing on the web and especially Ebay for overclocked systems. This spreading of the word is doing a lot more to damage the hobby than anything else.

[Morpheus]

Tim..

I suppose you are right, some are pragmatic.

When OCing becomes mainstream though--and by mainstream I mean commercial--its days, as we know them, will be numbered.

I just hate to speed the end on its way.

Years ago, I bought a stereo in "kit" form. Built it all by myself. That feeling I got back then is the same feeling I get when I see my system kicking out those OCed MHz...

That stereo was never loud enough--no CPU is ever fast enough, but the sheer pleasure of building something MYSELF has never failed...

just my .02¢

Kris

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Thanks for the reply Morpheus.
I looked at the pcnut site and I wasn't aware of the price of those processors, yeh it is higher.. Actually I was going to spend quite lower than those prices. I just stick with the cB0 type of processors. I dont have to overclocker to the edge.. It's ok.. thanks for ya input though. appreciate it.

[Tim-]

I know what you mean Morpheus- I have been in the electronics industry since I was a teenager, and this is just one more of the many technical hobbies I have been involved with over the years. (Amateur Radio, vacuum tube HiFi, computers, etc...)

I get a great deal of enjoyment from all of them. I have been stuck in an "input" mode all of my life and these technical hobbies allow me to learn- I think that is a major part of the enjoyment- the education is more of an accomplishment than the finished product which will be obsolete next week.

Tim

[jr]

Milkpowder look up the Intel s-specs for the cco stepping cco's. Take them down to your local shop and ask if they have them in stock. You dont have to say you plan on overclocking the hell out of it just say you need it for a dual cpu board if they ask. Thats what I did to get my 700 cco that does 1090 155fsb at 1.85v. I think may ram has troubles above 155fsb :(. I have some new ram coming tomorrow that supposedly guaranteed to run at 160 cas222 but that is different. It is impossible to find ram like that through normal vendors. Plus it was only $100 considering I paid $279 last yeah for a stick of Muschkin pc133 that couldnt even run it at 222 not bad. Good luck get thta cco. There are plenty of places that dont charge more for a newer stepping and half dont even know the difference. I had to explain it to the lady that helped me out. Oh yeah I have the same exact setup as you by the way.

be6 rev 1.2 flashed to rev2 ata100 raid
128mb crucial pc133 cas2 at 155fsb 333 (for now new stick on the way :)
Creative gf2 gts
700e @ 1090

[alan]

I took all the stats from Intel about the "SL#s" that have cCO stepping, wrote them down (printer broken), and I went to a computer show...You'd be surprised how many I found AND.. I was surprised how many sellers don't even know what they have or what the importance of the stepping is!

Enjoy the journey.