Nvidia 5900SE benchmarks

[shortyes]

Hey all. I recently got the Evga new 5900SE/XT. After a lot of research I'm going to do an objective help for the many that are thinking about upgrading.

I would like to give some people that are looking for upgrading their cards something to compare. Recently everyone has been *******g about Nvidia and I have to agree that there has not been a good sub 200 card from NV for a year.

99% of the time I see people ask, what card to buy and people will say ATI. When asked about Nvidia they say don't use it.

Most of these people are saying that without having used one of NV recent cards and just sprouting what they have heard and read.

I'm willing to run some benchmarks for the general populous looking for a mid range card.

You can see my system below. I can run any benchmarks that you can download from the web.

If anyone has any other benchmark they want me to run for some comparison sake tell me and where I can get it. From personal experience this card is just as good as an ATI 9700. I will post them Monday night when I finish moving to my new apartment. This one blows the 9600 series out of the water. I have nevered like what ATI did switching from the 9500 to the 9600 series even the XT did not stack up to the original 9500 non pro.

I can not comment on the 9800 non pro or the ATI 9700 pro. But at this point I think the 5900SE/XT is the best mid range card right now with regards to what is out there.

If you have something to comment please do so but have some personal experience to back it up please. Please do not mention anything not related to this including cheating and so forth. We are talking performance not ethics.

I would love it if someone can provide some 9600 XT benchies, 9500 benchies, 9700 benchies and 9800 nonpro benchies

[Evnas]

What we need to see are PS 2.0 tests between the respective cards. DX 8 benches are all fine and dandy, but we dont buy non-budget lines cards because we plan to play DX 8 games forever. At least I know thats not why I bought my 9500 Pro a year ago, hehe.

[shortyes]

The following benchies is what I will be running

Final Fantasy XI
Unreal Tournament 2003
3dMark 01
3dMark 03
Aquamark 3
and shadermark v2

These are the only ones I can find online for free. Some of them use the new PS 2.0 guide-lines

Unreal and 3dmark 01 will give a DirectX8 benchmark while the rest will give people an idea of Dx9 would be like.

[Phoenix87]

I get 5k in 3dmark03 easily with my 5900se at 425/760.

Could get 5500+ with a better system and more of an overclock. Not to mention I generally outperform any other card of the same level :) .

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Phoenix87
I get 5k in 3dmark03 easily with my 5900se at 425/760.

Could get 5500+ with a better system and more of an overclock. Not to mention I generally outperform any other card of the same level :) .

The rest of your system has very little, to no effect on your score in 2k3. A faster system would get you maybe 50 more points, not 500

[Phoenix87]

Not exactly. GT1 is dependant on more than your video card. I get my ass kicked in it due to slow proccesor and my score shows it.

[Sentential]

Not ALL the NV cards are bad. The 5900 is quite good, but it suffers from the same flaws as the other FX cards.

I would recomend getting either a 5900 or a 9800. But the 9800 IS the best card(s) available. The only reason why the 5900 is shining so well right now is that most games arent "fully" DX9 yet.

Next year will be the true test of the FX cards. Unless NV pulls somethin from a dark place next year then the FX owners are gonna be ****ed.

BTW my card is currently (9800) at:

441 clock
651 mem

And scores well over 5900 points in 3dmark.
If i could get my MB to corperate I could get well over 6200 points.
And my memory speed is 1/2 the 5900. Just something to keep in mind;)

EDIT: Plus the FX cards dont use true bi-linaer filtering (its annoying as hell). Just play halo and turn on the flash-light. I "owned" a 5200FXu and can say from experience the superiority of ATi currently. However Im glad you're happy (cuz I wasnt)

[micamica1217]

I get 5839 in 3dmark03 with my card not OCed at all.
I'll get over 6000 once I start OCing.

while I can't see your card being as good as a 9700np (since it could OC to the speeds of my non OCed card....
I wont dismiss your nice OC.

btw, when are we going to see the rest of your tests?

mica

[shortyes]

AS promised using the Default 300/700 setting

5900SE/XT
Aqua v3 with 1024x768x32 ani 4x 34.90
3dMARK 2001 latest 12203
3dMARK 2003 latest version 4950
FFXI benchmark 4788

[new_novice]

my 9800XT

3d03 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1791446
3d01 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7334871

[Phoenix87]

So you trying to say the 9800XT is better?

[new_novice]

no i'm trying to say it's pretty close, and so pretty decent for a sub range card, whereas the XT is kind of expensive for it's performance, with that kind of price, one would expect at least about double the performance.

[Sentential]

Lol:D My 3dmark01 score is 2k more points then yours, yet I get raped in 2003 with a measly 6050. Versus my 19058 in 2001.

I cant wait for my VGA silencer, then ill get that puppy into the 7k range
:D

[shortyes]

I'm still hoping someone with a ATI 9600XT would bench some of the programs I did so that everyone that is looking for a new mid range can see the difference.

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by new_novice
no i'm trying to say it's pretty close, and so pretty decent for a sub range card, whereas the XT is kind of expensive for it's performance, with that kind of price, one would expect at least about double the performance.

your system is holding you back alot in 3dmark01....even in 3dmark03.
in other words, your system(OCed cpu/mem speed...) is bottlenecking that nice 9800XT.

hell, my 9700pro non OCed is able to beat you in 3dmark01 by 270 points.
and I only loose by 1100 points in 3dmark03.....

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that there is a lot of extra room left in your 9800XT....get a faster system, and watch it fly.
yes, even getting higher scores in 3dmark03.

infact, we basicly have the same sound card, and I'm killing you in all the sound tests.
that makes me think that your system is just not up to snuff to handle a 9800XT.

mica

[Sentential]

Ditto, its your CPU. your CPU/RAM is holding you back BIG time. Try cranking up your clock speed

[new_novice]

the chip i have is the 2100+, with the botched unlocked job it is now locked at 13.5, I can't change the multi anymore so it's all FSB for me, my ram are two different pieces, one is corsair the other is generic, the max I can try to get it up is 190 FSB, more and it crashes, not because of the RAM, it can do 200. The CPU just can't go higher. Any tips?

[Kenshiro]

The 9800XT is the most powerful in the market currently. But I did hear it is not "worth" the money, because you can buy the 9800 pro and get results very close to the 9800XT.

[shortyes]

UPDATED scores for comparison sake

5900SE/XT (300 core/700 mem) 1700XP (stock)

12203 3dMARK 2001
4950 3dMARK 2003

ATI 9600XT

12700 3dMARK 2001 ( XP1800+ @ 169FSB )
3800 3dMark 2003

12,981 3dmark 2001 (2500+ Barton @ 2200mhz)
3,807 3dMArk 2003

ATI 9800np (441 core/644 mem) 1800XP (2.47 @ 1.9v)

19053 3dmark01 Cat 3.10
6045 3dmark03 Cat 3.10


The scores for the ATI cards were taken from different people sigs. All were Nforce 2 using Nforce2 mobos except the 9800np, he uses a via board.

Thanks sent

[NewbiePerson]

sweet... my fx5800 must be doing ok getting 5500 in 3dmark 03 then eh?
Were u using 53.03 drivers on those runs?

[shortyes]

I was using the latest Nvidia drivers

[Sentential]

Ummm...im using a VIA board. No N-force yet

[DigitalCreep]

Hi all, I just built my new rig, and finished burning it in and did a few bench marks. I ran across this thread a few weeks ago as I was reaserching on the vid card I wanted to get. So I thought I would share the results of my 5900se card.

All results are on defualt mem/cpu speeds with Nvidia's latest drivers.. I will get around to OC'ing soon...

3DMark2001SE - 15322
3DMark03 - 5491

[PreservedSwine]

You'll find a BIG difference between common gaming benchmarks and actual gameplay fps w/ nVidia. Although the FX5900SE is an EXCELLENT value (currently the best under $200 IMO) using common benches is misleading...they continue to manipulate common gaming benches via driver hacks.

Look for reviews that actual record gameplay w/ recorded fps high, ,low, and average...this way, what you see is what you get...

[shortyes]

True that Benchmark does not give you real gaming proformance but it does give you an idea of what a card is capable of.

Benchies in theory tell how well a card will perform but most of us here know that is not the case with actual games performace.

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by shortyes
True that Benchmark does not give you real gaming proformance but it does give you an idea of what a card is capable of.

Benchies in theory tell how well a card will perform but most of us here know that is not the case with actual games performace.

No, I mean real gaming benchmarks are fudged by nVidia, and are NOT representative of what the card is capable of......

:(

[shortyes]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine


No, I mean real gaming benchmarks are fudged by nVidia, and are NOT representative of what the card is capable of......

:(

Yes yes Nvidia has fudge in the past and might still fudge a bit but so does ATI and yes ATI does fudge a bit as well. It is the art of Fudge work to see which can fudge the fudge that the competition can not find.

Saying that Only Nvidia Fudge benchmark is not a realistic view of the video industry.

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by shortyes


Yes yes Nvidia has fudge in the past and might still fudge a bit but so does ATI and yes ATI does fudge a bit as well. It is the art of Fudge work to see which can fudge the fudge that the competition can not find.

Saying that Only Nvidia Fudge benchmark is not a realistic view of the video industry.

Asserting that the extent of what Nvidia is currently doing to specific game benches is equal to what ATI is doing is not a realistic view....

:rolleyes:

[Sentential]

You are right but let me tell ya something. ATi saw a 40% Increase in overall revenue in for the year. Now that is something. Benchmarks dont necessarly give an accurate picture, but stock holders do!

No one can deny that ATi is doing something right this year.

[nikeair]

kind of off topic, but what should I be looking for to get a 9800np with the potential to flash to a pro?

<edited for content :beer: >

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by nikeair
kind of off topic, but what should I be looking for to get a 9800np with the potential to flash to a pro?

<edited for content :beer: >

9800np's are about as common as the last chicken leg at a Church picnic...so chances are if you are able to find one, you can't really be too picky about what kind of RAM is on it.

Basically, you want Samsung RAM, the lower the ns the better, but even 3.3ns Samsung seems able to overclock better than Infineon 3.0ns...

So if you can find one w. Samsung, 2.86ns is the best, followed by 3.0, then 3.3, then any infineon RAM

[TheGhengisKhan]

In CPU magazines recent issue, they compared high-end, and mid-range video cards. They used not only benchmarks, but game-play FPS ranges, ease of overclocking, and temps, as well as the prices. Nvidia got blown out of the water in most category's for similar price-range cards vs. the ATI ones, and barely squeeked in on a few (mostly being benchmark tests)

This seems to point to Nvidia as the bench-fudger, and ATI as the better bang for the buck cards.

[Sentential]

*sigh*:( Some ppl never learn. When ppl claim that ATi is better, we really mean it. Especially the guys that got burned by Nvidia with the 5200/5600FXs

I know it gets repetive at times, but there really is some truth to what we say. Nvidia is simply behind, in everything. They will likely either catch up or go out of buisness. So far with the next-gens are concerned it appear to be the latter. Nvidia is way behind, and losing money.

[shiltz]

Nvidia cards aren't nearly as bad as the ATI fanboys make them out to be, I never notice any poor frame rate in any games and I run them all at 1600X1200 on my FX5900U, also get a score of 7882 on 3Dmarks03.

[shortyes]

If people read what I wrote they would understand that I am not saying Nvidia is better than ATI in the highend cards. The 9800 series rule there

What I am saying is that there is a GOOD Nvidia card that can slap the 9600 series in the value market.

I am not an Nvidia fan boy or an ATI fan Boy. I have owned both and switch when I feel a card is better.

If you have read the beginning post I stated This.

ATI Boys are all in the past. YES there was not a decent mid range card until about 1 month ago with the release of the 5900SE/XT

Yes the 9600pro/XT can beat the 5200, 5600, 5700

IT can not beat the 5900

This is just like asking which is better Intel or AMD both have their good points.

I am NOT TALKING brand name I am talking about a specific CARD aka the 5900SE/XT VERSUS the 9600XT

I will admit the 9500, 9700 and 9800 will beat this card....I will not agree to any ATI Fanboy saying that the 9600 is a great card. The card is crap. I will also say again the 5200, 5600 and 5700 is crap as well.

[L337 M33P]

9600XT comparison benchies? lemme see....


mmmmkayyyy - Ran Aquamark 3 and this is what happened:

http://www.uploadit.org/L337M33P/o_o.JPG

I'm going to reinstall stuff now...

EDIT: wtf? I get 8700 in 3dmark2001 - something is wrong here

[shortyes]

Feel how inadeque the 9600XT is ^^

[NewbiePerson]

Just to add I doubt the 9600xt can beat a 5800, but the 5900 is cheaper than the 5800 and is the better card to get which everyone else said. The 9600xt to a 5700 ultra is really like neck and neck in the end (upcoming games) the 9600 will probably win but right now its very close. People also have great ocing experiences with the 5700 from what i've heard (someone in the forums got over a 700core and something like 1050mem). Unless you find a good refurb deal on a 5800. You can get a 5900 for $172 now, which is a really good deal :)

[qbas]

In many reviews and tests that i have checked i see that Nvidia is tad better without AA's or AF's on but when going higher resolutions and putting AA's and AF's on ATI's cards really are performing better to Nvidia's and Nvidia's cards doesn't have the DX9 support as the ATI have. DX9=Future.

Edit: ATI is a bit behind in drivers IMO compared to Nvidia. I bought my Radeon 9700 Pro because it is better run for my money at the moment.

And people should try and compare 5900SE and 9800SE together. I had 9800SE (256-bit version) and my 3Dmark01 score was 14500 and 3DMark03 4300. Those 2 are more comparable than 9600XT or Pro.

[shortyes]

Originally posted by qbas
In many reviews and tests that i have checked i see that Nvidia is tad better without AA's or AF's on but when going higher resolutions and putting AA's and AF's on ATI's cards really are performing better to Nvidia's and Nvidia's cards doesn't have the DX9 support as the ATI have. DX9=Future.

Edit: ATI is a bit behind in drivers IMO compared to Nvidia. I bought my Radeon 9700 Pro because it is better run for my money at the moment.

And people should try and compare 5900SE and 9800SE together. I had 9800SE (256-bit version) and my 3Dmark01 score was 14500 and 3DMark03 4300. Those 2 are more comparable than 9600XT or Pro.

I agree but price wise the 5900SE is the same as the 9600XT

[Sentential]

Yes the 5900 is alot better than the 96XT. But most pplz wont risk the gamble with DX9. There has yet to be a true DX9 game. Once HL2 and Doom3...... come out we will have a much clearer picture of the situation.

[shortyes]

YEs there are a lot of speculation on future games. There are also a lot of rumors aka Nvidia is better than ATI on the DOOM 3 wile ATI is better than Nvidia in HL2

There will still be at least a year to D3 and HL2 release with all the delays.

[Bailey]

Too many factors to decide which is "best", that would depend on best for whom?

For me paying an extra $100 (average) isn't worth the 138 3D'03 lower score I get (using Sentential's score). Also, I couldn't care less about HL2.

But that's just ME, it differs for everyone. Money, games you want to play, how long you intend to keep the product - it all factors into the "best".

As for "ATI is great" & "Nvidia sucks" - lol - In the grand scheme ATI has been on top for an eye blink, they sucked for quite a long time. Can it change? Yep. Will it change? Who knows.
come out we will have a much clearer picture of the situation.
So true, until then we're just engaging in verbal masturbation....it may make you feel good but it accomplishes nothing :D