Help me choose processor!!!!

[Ruddi]

I have a A-Bit BH6 upgraded to latest BIOS with a Celeron300A@400MHz and I want now to upgrade to a better processor. I'm thinking of a Celeron 700@800Mhz. Do I see improvements in games if I do this? For example Collin McRae 2 or NHL 2001???

I can get a Pentium 2 400Mhz but is that any big difference from my Celeron now???

I have also 128Mb (64 Mb PC100, 64 Mb PC133) and a Elsa Erazor IIIPro TNT2 video card.

[vipez888]

You may not quite see a lot of a difference from going from a celeron to a celeron, I'd go for a pentium 3 700 cc0 stepping (can overclock to 933+), the cache will make the difference.

In racing games like the one you mentioned, the pentium 3 will definitely make some diff, of course getting a better video card would also do that. i.e. GForce2 GTS.

As for the ram, you may have trouble with the PC100 stick, but the PC133 stick shouldn't be a prob. Some PC100 may hit 133bus while others max out at 124mhz bus.

[Carmine_Paterno]

There is no need for Piii 700's when i got my Celeron II 700 @ 877 at below default voltage. My default voltage on my CELERON II 700 is 1.7v while now i am at 1.65v. It runs rock solid.

And for a video card, get a ATI RADEON 32MB DDR, it has alot more bang for buck than the crappy geforces.

[Mr. Potatoehead]

I believe you should buy a celeron2 600 and shoot for 900.
you will need a sloket to put a flipchip into your slot 1 board.
www.allstarshop.com, they have good prices.

[Carmine_Paterno]

If you are going to get a 600 to 900 @ 100fsb and no more get a cheap 5 dollar slotket see the 5 dollar slotkey post

[Mr B]

Carmine_Paterno (Feb 16, 2001 03:35 p.m.):
If you are going to get a 600 to 900 @ 100fsb and no more get a cheap 5 dollar slotket see the 5 dollar slotkey post

Carmine, go back and re-read that thread. Then go the the website from the link in the initial post.

That $5 slocket WILL NOT WORK with the Celeron II Coppermine. If you intend on running a C II you will need a CuMine Compatable FC-PGA slocket. Those mentioned in that thread are PPGA slockets, with no voltage adjustability.

Big difference.

If you need a slocket for a C II or P III CuMine, I recommend one of these:

Soltek SL02A++
ABIT !!!
MSI Master 2.0
Iwill....(can't remember the model name/number)

You need the vcore adjustability for these chips. There are slockets out there without this that will work, but if you can't raise the voltage, you won't get too far.

Ruddi,

Go for a 566 or 600 C II. No higher than 633 tops. After that, the multiplier works against you, making them harder to o/c. If you read my "sig", I've got a pair of these chips. Work quite well. C II's are pretty cheap, and most of the 600's will get to 900. A few can and will hit the 1 GHz mark (mine does), but they are few.

Get an Alpha or GlobalWin to mount on top of it, and let it rip.......

Good luck!

Mr B

[wild_andy_c]

Big up Mr B!!!!!!

The issue here once again is the Spoonhead issue

"If I buy a fairly fast chip anyway it will go really fast"- CRAP

This has to be thought about firstly.

When we overclock a locked multplier processor our first and foremost aim is to get to the next in-specification FSB; i.e. from 66 to 100 and from 100 to 133 in order that the PCI BUS runs at a sensible speed. Any further advance past this are bandwidth boosts.

If you bought a Celeron 700 which has a multiplier of 10.5, you'd have to achieve 1050Mhz to get to 100Mhz FSB. Not a good thing unless you have a 78watt 14v peltier and water rig.

In order to get 800Mhz like you want - the 533a is the best chip. It will easily do 800Mhz and AT 100Mhz FSB

It can be stated that in general, the lower the multplier and at the same time the higher the internal clock speed - the better the performance.

I hope that with this quick deatil I have put light on a few grey areas.

[Paradox81]

I also have an Abit BH6.
Currently its has a Pentium 333mhz@416mhz (the previous owner did it)
I want to get my current computer as fast as possible (while still stable)

With the latest BIOS upgrade BH6SS.exe it can support (according to the BIOS site)
- Celeron II 700mhz (@ 66mhz FSB)
- Pentium III 600mhz (@ 100mhz FSB)
Which is the best for Overclocking & which would I get the most speed out of.
Excuse my ignorance but a Celeron 600mhz isn’t as fast as a Pentium 600mhz is it?
I noticed on the www.overclockers.com CPU Database that the
-Celeron II 700mhz can be overclocked on average to a 1018mhz
-Pentium III 600mhz E can be overclocked on average to a 846mhz.
Does this mean the Celeron is the Best?
:rolleyes:

[doer]

Cheapest solution would to be buy a slotket as mentioned by some1 already and used cpu and install them on Abit-BH. But get P3_coppermine if you want any performance.

Performance&price solution would be to get Tualatin Celeron. It may work on that mobo with Powerleap slotket-adapter. Either with max. speed 1.4Ghz Celeron (it would be as fast as P3 coppermine @ same speed). Or 1.1A/1.0A and overclock it to 133FSB Either 1 http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm

Hardware hack solution to modify an old slotket adapter to support Tualatin-celeron.

[D2DM]

Vcore adjustability is a plus, but not a must have with the BH6 because it can adjust voltages in the bios through softmenuII.

Best cpu to go with the fcpga converter :
One that will do 100 to 112mhz fsb (because of your PC100 SDRAM stick)
This more or less rules out C667, C700, C733 and C766.

[batboy]

Better listen to Mr. Potatohead, Mr. B, and Andy....they know their guano. Yes, a P-III will give you a little more performance compared to a Celeron running at the same speed. The trouble is, the BH6 gets flakey at speeds above 133 FSB, plus lots of the early versions don't even have a 1/4 PCI divider. So the best bang for the buck is a Celeron 600 using a decent slotket. You'll be assured of at least 900 MHz. If you want P-III performance, then spend the extra cash and spring for a better motherboard. If you're upgrading mobos, then get a Tualatin or P-4. It all depends of the budget.

[doer]

Originally posted by batboy
Better listen to Mr. Potatohead, Mr. B, and Andy....they know their guano. Yes, a P-III will give you a little more performance compared to a Celeron running at the same speed. The trouble is, the BH6 gets flakey at speeds above 133 FSB, plus lots of the early versions don't even have a 1/4 PCI divider. So the best bang for the buck is a Celeron 600 using a decent slotket. You'll be assured of at least 900 MHz. If you want P-III performance, then spend the extra cash and spring for a better motherboard. If you're upgrading mobos, then get a Tualatin or P-4. It all depends of the budget.

I think it would be important to realize: whatever cpu-upgrade is made for BH6 it will propably be the last one for the motherboard. Since new slot1-cpus or socket370 cpus aren't designed any more and soon maybe not even manufactured the existing ones... That's why I'd recommend at least Coppermine P3. 750Mhz P3 would propably beat cel600@900. Staying near 100FSB would be best for BH6