Celeron II 800 Everybody WAKE UP!

[Lancelot]

I read many replies about this thing having a very high multiplier??? Hello?! The Celeron 800 is the first celemine with an official 100Mhz FSB, thus the multiplier is 8 (and not 12x as many seem to assume) She basically is a PIII 800E with half the cache disabled and made less associative. I have mine running at 1Gig using 125 Mhz fsb, thus she mops the floor with all those celemines cranked up to a gig with 100Mhz fsb, and a lot of voltage and cooling!!! She won't hit 133Mhz (yet) cuz I'm wating on a BIOS update for my Abit BE6-II...

[Allan Nielsen]

Umm... ok?!

[batboy]

Intel has no cC0 steppings of the Celeron 533. Why? Because they're now calling them Celeron 800. Those coppermines are pretty maxed out by the time you reach 1 gig. If yours can go that high, then consider yourself quite lucky. In my opinion, those C-800 chips are too overpriced right now, especially if you buy a dog that won't overclock. Heck, you can buy a P-III 700 for almost the same price and most of those will hit at least 933 and will do better on the benchmarks than the Cellies. However, right now, the bargain is still the Celeron 566 or 600 if you're real short on cash. I'm not saying the C-800 is bad, on the contrary, it's a good chip, just currently too expensive.

[Mr B]

I dunno.........

I've got my cC0 C II 600 running at 1009 (112 FSB), 2.0v, running a Gorb.

You are running less volts than I am.......but........

I've got an Alpha PEP66T coming, that will let me:

1) Let me lower my vcore a bit, or
2) Possibly hit 115 FSB, (1035 MHz)

How's the 800 @ 1000 score in Sandra? I'm running a dead heat (according to 2001 Sandra's CPU Benchmark) w/ a 1 GHz P/// 256 rig.

Your 800 should be in that ballpark.

My question to you is, how much did you pay for the 800? I paid $56.00 for the C II 600.

Mr B

[Lancelot]

I payed $145 for my in-a-box retail, and I got a larger original Intel PIII fan-heatsink, see pix below for heatsink difference and Sandra results:

[Lancelot]

Sandra CPU bench results:

[Lancelot]

Oops!:

[Lancelot]

Sandra CPU Multimedia bench results:

[Lancelot]

Sandra Memory bench results:

[Ericsson]

umm....$145? that's very high...i'd rather get a Pentim III 600E/650E and overclock.

the thing with the celeron is that it runs on a lower fsb and has less L2 cache. high scores in sisoft sandra don't mean anything in real-world performance.

check out this graph:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1393&p=5

the mighty celeron 800 is matched by a Duron 600...and that Duron 600 is 1/3 the price of a Celeron 800. nice?

when you compare a celeron to a Pentium III, it takes a a Pentium III 650/700 to match a Celeron 800...that's both running on a 100mhz fsb.

[Mr B]

Lancelot (Feb 19, 2001 05:37 a.m.):
Sandra CPU bench results:

Yup, those numbers are right where I thought they'd be.

CPU Bench;
You got me on the Dhry, I got you Whet, by 10 pts or so, each.

CPU Multi:
Florida's Presidential election was easier to pick a winner, we're that close.

Memory Bench;
Here you cream me. And you're running significantly LESS MB's than I (128 to my 320) This has more to do with the motherboards we are using. That BE6 II of yours is the cream of the crop, I'm using an A-Trend mb, with the Via Apollo Pro 133 chipset, which is terrible in this regard.

I've got a couple of boards coming in the mail this week (Soyo 6BA+III, and an Asus P3C2000) to see if I can get a better Mem Bench score (and thereby a better, faster system). Any BX board is gonna kill me here.......The Soyo will mean no ATA 66 for me, and the Asus has that lovely MTH. So, we'll see what happens...)



Nice rig. Well done.

Mr B

[batboy]

Actually, you got a pretty good deal on the C-800 from what I've seen, but I rest my case. It still costs too much when you can buy two retail box C-600's (that will probably do at least 9X100=900 no problem) for the price of one C-800. Or you can do what I just now did and spend just a few measly more bucks for a P-III 700 chip.

[Lancelot]

Hey Ericsson: "the mighty celeron 800 is matched by a Duron 600...and that Duron 600 is 1/3 the price of a Celeron 800. nice?" Yes! Very nice cuz the Duron has a total of 64kb more cache and a 200Mhz FSB, so it's amazing that the Celeron 800 with only half the FSB can keep up with it, heehee! My problem was that the combo of the newest Duron plus brand mobo would cost me more to upgrade my current system than it has me now, plus I'm from the Netherlands and my local dealer can suplly all the new CPU's, but I would have to go driving around to a lot of major cities just to (maybe) get my hands on a PIII 650/700E. btw If you review the Sandra results above, you'll see that my current setup still smokes a Duron 700 so I'm happy. I still haven't found the max. yet, last night I bumped the FSB up to 126 and if this is stable for a week I'll take it higher and higher only I don't wanna bump up the core voltage alot.

[sleddog]

Lancelot (Feb 20, 2001 01:20 a.m.):
If you review the Sandra results above, you'll see that my current setup still smokes a Duron 700 so I'm happy.

I doubt if it would "smoke" a Duron 700 if that Duron was overclocked to 1000MHz like your Celeron.

And it sure as heck doesn't smoke my Duron 600 when I crank it up :)
http://www.sleddog.f2s.com/benchmarks.html

[batboy]

I know another guy from the Netherlands and he has trouble getting good computer parts for a good price too. Hey, sounds like you built a pretty good rig and lucked out and got an excellent overclockable CPU. If you're happy. we're happy. We Americans get spoiled by the cheap prices available here in the States. I'm always looking for the best bargains.

[Ericsson]

ever heard of "synthetic benchmarks"?

while your sisoft sandra scores are high, that doesn't translate to real-world performance....so sisoft sandra is not a benchmark to brag about.

oh well...i'm not telling you to ditch that celeron...it's just that it doesn't really perform well for its price. try benchmarking q3 in 640X480 on your celeron 800@1000 and compare it with a Pentium III...say a 650E@866...you'll see what i mean.

[Jez33]

OK, so you post yep benchies from sandra then you say that it smokes a duron 700, of course it smokes a duron 700, but it would have no chance against an overclocked duron 700 would it, everybody beats that duron 700, my 800 duron beats the P4-1.5GHZ in sandra, wheres the 1.5G in your benchies? Also your celeron doesnt seem to be getting close to the 1GHZ ATHLON in those benchies, mine leaves it trailing, all this from a £60 chip........................ not bad eh

[Jez33]

sleddog (Feb 20, 2001 04:28 a.m.):
Lancelot (Feb 20, 2001 01:20 a.m.):
If you review the Sandra results above, you'll see that my current setup still smokes a Duron 700 so I'm happy.

I doubt if it would "smoke" a Duron 700 if that Duron was overclocked to 1000MHz like your Celeron.

And it sure as heck doesn't smoke my Duron 600 when I crank it up :)
http://www.sleddog.f2s.com/benchmarks.html

By my reconnin you could get a G if you cranked up yer voltage, i mean 1.6V, thats loooooooooooooooow, mine runs on that at default

[sleddog]

Jez33 (Feb 20, 2001 12:25 p.m.):
sleddog (Feb 20, 2001 04:28 a.m.):
Lancelot (Feb 20, 2001 01:20 a.m.):
If you review the Sandra results above, you'll see that my current setup still smokes a Duron 700 so I'm happy.

I doubt if it would "smoke" a Duron 700 if that Duron was overclocked to 1000MHz like your Celeron.

And it sure as heck doesn't smoke my Duron 600 when I crank it up :)
http://www.sleddog.f2s.com/benchmarks.html

By my reconnin you could get a G if you cranked up yer voltage, i mean 1.6V, thats loooooooooooooooow, mine runs on that at default

I'm running where I am by choice, not necessity :) I can do 935MHz at default voltage, where temps are low. Did you look at my benchmarks links, where I'm at 1100MHz? My Duron is a general-purpose machine (i.e., non-gaming, NT4 workstation). For this 935 is great, no need to overtax to 1100. But the link I supplied show I can do it. So I choose 935 because that's my max at the lowest voltage, lowest temps, with the highest FSB.

[bung]

bla bla bla i my dads bigger than your dad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[markedmundb]

When I saw the headline, I thought it was gonna be telling everyone that an 800 is just a very expensive cC0 533.

That's all it is! For that sorta cash, you could've got an decent KT133 Athlon mobo, and a middling Duron (750). IMO, that's a waste of $145, when you can get a Gig T-bird for the same price (I know that the mobo IS extra, I'm just pointing out the waste of cash $145 on a Celly 800 is)

[Lancelot]

Stop talking about it being a waste of cash cuz I cannot get CPU's at prices that you guys do. Everything is imported here and heavily depending on the everyday rate of the US$ compared to the Dutch guilder. I just checket ou the site of my local dealer and a Duron 700 would cost me $105 today! (no, reallly!) Oh and I started this topic to make it clear that the celemine 800 is the first with a 100Mhz FSB cuz I thought this was the forum for Intel enthousiasts to discuss and compare their rigs, but this place looks more and more like the AMD club to me...

[Lancelot]

btw I had SETI runing overnight at 1032Mhz (8x128.85) with 1.85Vcore and 3.50Vio I think I just let it burn in like this until the weekend and see if I can lower the voltage then

[Mr B]

".......but this place looks more like the AMD club to me."

Let me preface this by saying ALL my stuff is intel.

I've been an auto technician for around ten years. Been a NASCAR fan for a loooong time.

I've never seen a debate as heated as the old Chevy/Ford one until I got into overclocking, and joined this site.

Saying that your C II "smoked a Duron" opened the door for the AMD boys.

That's kind of like saying "My Z28 blows the doors offa yer 2.3L Mustang LX."

The first thing the Ford/AMD guy is gonna say is, "Yeah, but only IF I DON'T hit the nitrous button!"

there's lost of intel guys in here too. Myself included.

My post wasn't intended to disrespect the rig you put together. Just trying to justify the increased cost of the C II 800 over my 600.

When I first posted, you were right at 1GHz, and were equal to my system. You've done a bit of tweaking since, and have picked up a few more MHz worth of FSB. Good job. That voltage you are at isn't all that high, either.

If you add this to the database on the front page, I believe you will be the first with the C II 800 to do so.

BTW......I'd swap out that 1.85v camshaft for the 1.95v, and she if she'll hit 130 MPh....er MHz. (FSB) =)

Keep rO/Ckin' nice chip!

Mr B

[batboy]

Mr. B...well said! Being a "car guy" I loved your comments! We are forgetting what overclocking is all about. It's for us low budget "hotrodders" to 'tune" (tweak) what you got or can get in order to maximize performance. Lancelot is overseas in Holland (the Netherlands) and has a hard time getting cheap computer parts, so he's doing the best with what he can get. Congratulations Lancelot, you are really making that C-800 fly. However, here in the United States, there are probably much cheaper options, at least for right now.

[markedmundb]

Lancelot (Feb 21, 2001 01:17 a.m.):
Stop talking about it being a waste of cash cuz I cannot get CPU's at prices that you guys do. Everything is imported here and heavily depending on the everyday rate of the US$ compared to the Dutch guilder. I just checket ou the site of my local dealer and a Duron 700 would cost me $105 today! (no, reallly!) Oh and I started this topic to make it clear that the celemine 800 is the first with a 100Mhz FSB cuz I thought this was the forum for Intel enthousiasts to discuss and compare their rigs, but this place looks more and more like the AMD club to me...

I'm UK based. I rarely buy anything PC-Hardware locally. There is something called the Internet.
E-business (so the adverts claim) is taking over the world. There is a global marketplace just a mouse-click away :¬)} .

If importing from the States is a bit steep, then look closer to home, the UK has decent Hardware for reasonable prices (usually US price $ to £ UK price direct translation) if you shop around.

If I was ready to buy a brand new car right now, I'd go to Holland or Germany to get it, as new car prices are a lot cheaper than in the UK.

I've ran Intel for most of my PC 'life' (i had A cyrix 200+ for a while). I'm not dissing Intel, I'm just saying by using the Internet and your head you could've save yourself some cash. That's all. My last CPU a cB0 Celly 566 hit 850 on an Iwill Slocket. my replacement cC0 runs at 23*C at 2.0v at 100% CPU utilisation. I need a new more-stable Slocket than the Abit I'm using at the mo tho, to hopefully aim for the Gig (118FSB).

PPL will always stand up for what they prefer. Be it football, cars, computers, mountain bikes, or whatever...
...but a Std Duron 800 would whupp the Std Celeron 800.

PS Your RAM BMs will smoke all but the fastest, your FSB is running 125MHz on a BX chipset board, afterall :¬)}

[Dr Brain]

Lancelot (Feb 21, 2001 01:22 a.m.):
btw I had SETI runing overnight at 1032Mhz (8x128.85) with 1.85Vcore and 3.50Vio I think I just let it burn in like this until the weekend and see if I can lower the voltage then


Good job Lancelot! You are obviously keeping up with us US boys and even surpassing some! I say pretty damn good for what you have available to you. And as for spending a few more guilders? So what! I've spent a bunch of money the past year dickin and overclocking both AMD and Intel systems- because I can! Sure, I could have saved money. But I didn't want to. I didn't need to. And I'm having more fun than when I used to build Pontiac Ram Air IV 400's 20 years ago, and no smashed fingers! Sooner or later I'm sure I'll be like a lot of others, dead broke and scratching my ass trying to get the best out of what I got. Lancelot, I take my hat off to you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar!

Dr Brain

[s3pp]

Hi folks!
I'm currently running a celeron 466@560 I bought Jan 2000 on my Asus P3V4X with MSI Master Slot Adapter, 128 MB PC133.
Now its getting to slow and I plan to upgrade. As I'm currently short of cash, I'd like to keep the board, wich means I have to stay with Intel. Witch Celeron / P3 do you suggest?
Are all Celerons sold today Cc0? Where to buy a Cc0 Chip and good cooler in Germany?