Tell me why this wouldn't work.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

I'm throwing this dual CPU box together, and I don't want any of the incompatabilities I've suffered in the past. So if you see any conflicts here that would result in anything but absolute stability tell me before I buy anything.

Motherboard:
MSI K7D Master-L
CPUS:
1x2100XP DUT3C with bridged L5 that I currently have in my possession
1x2100XP that I need to buy off newegg with bridged L5
HSF:
2xSK-7
Memory:
4x512MB Mushkin PC3200 Regestered ECC (http://www.mushkin.com/epages/Mushkin.storefront/3ffc83810154cdea273fc0a801020673/Product/View/991125)
RAID controller card:
Promise SX4000 with 256MB SDRAM cache
HDD:
4xIBM 80gig 120GXP
PSU:
Enermax 431w PSU

Also, am I doing this MP compatility bridging correctly, right? You just need to bridge that one gap, and will the SK-7's fit on the Master-L, or is there something better that would fit that wouldn't be any taller than a PAL8045?

[Namagomi]

Move this to SMP if you could, Mr. Mod.

[DanFraser]

Only two little things. first off, with that many drives, and the raid card, i would go for a beefier PSU, just to be on the safe side.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but arent those the deathstars you have listed as your drives?

[Arkaine23]

Tyan's a better brand for stability than MSI, but has no OC options.

[Cjwinnit]

Originally posted by DanFraser
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but arent those the deathstars you have listed as your drives?

Nah.

it was the 60GXP and the 75GXP models they had trouble with. 1290GXP's are ok.

[cmcquistion]

The 431 watt Enermax has a bad reputation. I've read of lots of SMP-ers having problems with it, in dual AMD machines. I'd recommend a different PSU. Everything else looks fine.

[rogerdugans]

Two things:
Tyan's have a better rep than the MSI overall.
I like my Enermax power supply, but the fact is that they have trouble getting consistently good psus out of their doors. :(

If you get a good one it will be an excellent psu for years; odds seem to be 50/50 though, and if you want to be as close to a guarantee of no problems as possible.....get another brand.

[Namagomi]

As I accidently posted this under SRJ's name, I'll reply.

I want to get the MSI board so I'll be able to overclock the CPU's a bit, so I'm pretty much set on that board.

However, the PSU worries me. I've had this 431w for months, and won't be getting another one unless this one screws the pooch. I'm more worried about the RAM, mobo, and CPU mods.

[disk11]

You have no need for pc3200, espically with the board's FSB limit of 150. Save some money and get pc2700 unless you have plans to get an Opteron rig.

[cmcquistion]

If you have the Enermax PSU, already, and don't need it for another rig, then try it by all means. If you have problems, however, that should be one of your first suspects.

[Namagomi]

Originally posted by disk11
You have no need for pc3200, espically with the board's FSB limit of 150. Save some money and get pc2700 unless you have plans to get an Opteron rig.


RAM is already bought, and was only marginially more expensive than 2700. I try to get the fastest speeds I can when I buy ram, as it might come in handy for future projects (Opteron)

[SpaceRangerJoe]

As has been stated already, this psu has been around for a while with no problems. We actually ran all 4 of those drives and a gig of ram, on a a 2100 @ 2.3+gigs on a 350watt PSU! So I have faith in this 431.

[Namagomi]

Oh yeah, what is the max multiplier the Master-L supports in BIOS?

[cmcquistion]

Originally posted by Namagomi
Oh yeah, what is the max multiplier the Master-L supports in BIOS?

I've heard of someone taking it up to 24X, before.

I suggest you do a search on this topic as there are some threads on that, around here. Not all multipliers will work. Some are non-standard. Those threads will have information about that.

[Arkaine23]

In bios max is 12.5

[disk11]

To enable higher multipliers using pin mods, check this (http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html) out.

[Namagomi]

Holy damn, that looks tricky. I need to cut those pins off for it to change, or what?

[Arkaine23]

No you stick a very small strands of wire in the socket to join pins together electrically.

[Namagomi]

Originally posted by Arkaine23
No you stick a very small strands of wire in the socket to join pins together electrically.

lol. I think I'd rather try soldiering the back of the socket.

[aftermath]

Originally posted by Namagomi


lol. I think I'd rather try soldiering the back of the socket.

or a small dot of conductive ink/trace repair pen on the back and scratch it away to remove it. solders hot.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

Originally posted by disk11
To enable higher multipliers using pin mods, check this (http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html) out.

That's a lot of little wires...

But I guess we wouldn't need all those wires, since we really only want to change the mult with the pin trick, not the voltage and stuff too.

[diehrd]

"I'm throwing this dual CPU box together, and I don't want any of the incompatabilities I've suffered in the past. So if you see any conflicts here that would result in anything but absolute stability tell me before I buy anything".

Well are you looking for stability,, .SO far that PSU haz had a few bad comments yet because you have used a 350 watter in a single you think it is fine for a dual because it says 431 watts on it ,lol. Just a suggestion but the people giving the advice are ones who have surfed these SMP forums for a long while and who have experence with the Dual AMD boxes. Maybe just tossing it together would be better and if all is rock solid bingo if not we will help ya figure out what is the issue if in fact there will even be one...

[Namagomi]

Edited by SickBoy
No flaming.

Thanks for the PSU tip, I think.

Originally posted by SpaceRangerJoe

But I guess we wouldn't need all those wires, since we really only want to change the mult with the pin trick, not the voltage and stuff too.


Yeah, everything will be :cool:

[Breadfan]

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[SpaceRangerJoe]

If you were to recommend a new PSU, what brand would you say. There is a 550 in the classifieds, but it puts out a lot less power than this 431...

[cmcquistion]

Originally posted by SpaceRangerJoe
If you were to recommend a new PSU, what brand would you say. There is a 550 in the classifieds, but it puts out a lot less power than this 431...

Antec and Fortron are my top two recommendations.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

Originally posted by cmcquistion


Antec and Fortron are my top two recommendations.

What model would you say? The stats on the 530 fortron a lot better than the 550 (but still about the same as the 431 enermax), and it costs less.

[cmcquistion]

Personally, I would go with the 530 watt Fortron over any model Antec offers, unless I wasn't able to get the Fortron, or I already had the Antec.

[CPFitz14]

I've got this bad boy right here (http://www.svc.com/ac50dufanp4r.html). I'm perfectly happy with it, although I think I only paid $24 shipped or something like that.

Anyway, here's what its powering.

1x1700xp @ 2ghz
1x2400mp @ 2ghz

GF4ti4200

Dvd+-rw drive
Cd-RW drive
4 CD Changer drive
Enermax multifunction transfer panel w/ lcd... fan controllers
3.5" Fan Controller
Floppy Drive
HDD
3 PCI cards.
7 fans

Not bad for such a budget psu.

Right now my voltages are: 1.73(1.75 vcore), 3.31(+3.3), 4.92(+5), 12.4(+12), -12.35(-12), -5.24(-5)

Not too horrible. Keeps me stable.


-CPFitz-

[cmcquistion]

If I had to choose a cheap PSU, I would go for the Fortron FSP300 (about $27) or FSP350 (about $36). I have used the FSP300 on two AMD duallies, with no problems. The FSP350 offers a little more wattage than the FSP300.

I've learned that PSU quality is far more important than manufacturers published ratings. Some 500 PSU's are junk, while some 300 watt PSU's (like the FSP300) are absolute gold.

[Breadfan]

Wow, I've had faith in my Sparkle 350w (fortron), but didn't realize it would even be up to the task of a duallie!

[cmcquistion]

Originally posted by Breadfan
Wow, I've had faith in my Sparkle 350w (fortron), but didn't realize it would even be up to the task of a duallie!

Is it the FSP350? (120mm intake fan)