Project: The Chrome Goat... total system mod

[vonkaar]

Hi everyone! I've been wanting to post this for at least 2 months, but I had to wait on my camera's USB cable to return from Mongolia. It's back and I can finally start posting pictures and my little stories.

The Chrome Goat! (AKA The Goat of Paradise)

Goals: Fully encased plexi full-tower with chrome skeleton interior.
---1---> Lots of folded acrylic for rounded corners.
-------------> I'm going for an I-Pod look. Glossy white paint underneath soft edged plexi. Clear line-breaks for chic lighting.
-------------> Enough visibility underneath the plexi to see the beautiful chrome work.
---2---> Thermo-Electric water-chiller.
-------------> Separate, selectable water-loop with Iwaki MD10 pump.
-------------> Powered by a pair of Lambda LRS-55-12 15vdc power supplies.
-------------> Chromed valves for integration into standard CPU loop.
---3---> Completely integrated water-cooling setup.
-------------> Iwaki MD20RZT, D-Tek NB cooler, 3-prong Cascade-SS, Innovatek GPU block converted to 1/2", Tygon tubing.
-------------> Hopefully I'll be able to come up with some sort of shroud for the pump and have it chromed. Iwaki Green SO doesn't match my Martha Stewart meets Mad Max blue on chrome motif.
---4---> Painted and chromed blower over dual heater-core assembly with plexi shroud.
-------------> EBM model D1G133. Powered by a chromed Power-One 48vdc PSU.
---5---> Lots of lights, but tastefully arranged.
-------------> No visible CCFLs or LEDs. The goal is to provide ample lighting but keep the sources hidden.
-------------> All of the lighting should be controlled by the famous Macroman CCFL throbber circuit©. I'm not going for any of the fancy lightsabre effects. A simple fade on, fade off 'breathing' effect will look great.
---6---> LCD Winamp display.
---7---> Nixie tube CPU / Case thermometer.
---8---> Fun HDD activity meter.
-------------> Same effect I used in my red EL-wire HDD mod (http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/hdd-mod2.jpg), this time with blue EL-wire and more accurate HDD activity.
---9---> This spot reserved for whatever else my kooky brain comes up with ^_^.


Part 1: Planning.
I made my shopping list, and acquired the following parts:
2x 88 Chevy Caprice heatercores.
Iwaki MD20RZT pump (I had a 30rzt but it actually raised my water temperatures by about 1.7° in a closed loop, no-heatsource system)
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/iwaki-md20.jpg
Iwaki MD10RT pump
Bender Chiller (Overclockers.com TEC-Chiller guru)
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/stuff/shroud-before0.jpg
EBM D1G133 blower. ($10 on Ebay) 700CFM 48vdc blower from hell. 700cfm is a lot... enough that you would think that it would be noisy as can be... it's not. If I run it at 40vdc, it's almost silent. It's rated down to 30v... I may 'pot' it to control noise. However, even at 48v it's quieter than most of the 120mm axial fans I've used.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/blower.jpg
Dtek northbridge block
Innovatek GPU block
Little River Waterblocks - Cascade SS (special silver edition) with 2 outlets instead of the normal one.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/cascade-ss2.jpg
A bunch of Burroughs 8422(B-5991) nixies. (Pictures will be up tonight)
A bunch of misc electronics parts like the nixie controller chip, a couple basic stamps and a programmer.
Oh... and all the components in the 'CCFL Throbber' shopping list.

Part 2: What have I been up to since I started this project?

The first thing I did was experiment with a few ideas. I knew I wanted 'bended' acrylic instead of a 'joined' pair for my corners. I had to figure out if I had the knowledge and tools to accomplish this. There were enough online resources on bending acrylic that this wasn't hard to test out. I simply broke off a small piece of plexi, clamped it down against a straight-edge table and started heating the 'bend' portion. Eventually it started to 'fall' on its own, so I grabbed a flat block and bent it over. It got fairly warped because of the clamp and the uneven surface of the 'flat block', but the experiment was a success. After it dried, it retained the optical clarity and was just as strong as before. This was a 1/4" chunk of acrylic... I couldn't break the bend with my hands; that was good enough for me.

The next 'idea' to test was the chroming process. How well would a chromed piece look? I am lucky enough to work with the president of a local low-rider club. They are one of the premier Impala low-rider clubs in the country and his car is basically 'perfect'. -link- (http://www.majestix.cc) He hooked me up with the chrome shop and I had my first test piece plated. You can see the original anodized-aluminum shroud above... after the plating, it looked like this:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/stuff/shroud-beta0.jpg

Happy day!

I then spent the next few months ordering all of the remaining pieces of the 'plan' in preparation for... this day ^_^. I can finally begin the modding. I'm sitting here at work typing this up and I'll finish the remaining posts with better pictures as soon as I get home. The reason I couldn't wait is... well...

continued...

[vonkaar]

Part 3: The present.

So, to start off, I needed to have a skeleton frame for the case. Like I said in my goals, I wanted a fully chromed skeleton surrounded by plexi. Since I'm integrating a fairly large water-cooling system AND a large 10-peltier TEC chiller, I needed a pretty hulkish case. I've seen a few of these in the past, but I'm not positive to who makes(made?) it... I believe Epox. Anyway, off with the sides! Off with the riveted joints!

Before:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/case-before.jpg
Actually, that isn't exactly the same case I removed... I just forgot to take pictures of it before I started gutting it. However, it is basically the same thing... same panels and such... only the front is different.

Removing all the junk:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/case-no-sides010904.jpg

Removing the drive cage (not needed):
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/case-no-cage010904.jpg

Removing all the blasted rivets and gutting the entire case:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/case-panels010904.jpg

What's next? Polishing and Chrome! That was finished at 8:00am this morning. Result?

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chrome-panels010904.jpg
The lighting in this closet is way nasty... I'll try and post better pictures tonight when I get home.

Details of the immaculate chrome job:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chrome-detail010904.jpg

Hi there...

More to come!

[Bensa]

Mmm, chromy.
See through and glistening, should be a real eye turner.

Are you also chroming all the water cooling components?

[El-Scotto]

oooo cant wait to see it all put together!!

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by Bensa
Are you also chroming all the water cooling components?

Like what? All of the barbs are nickle plated... the heatercores can't really be chromed and the pump was mentioned above. The problem with chroming a same-sized shroud for my main pump would be heat. The Iwaki motor gets a little hot and I'd really worry about trapping that inside a metal shroud. I'm thinking of a way to do it with a much larger (12cm or so) box, chroming that and hooking up a quiet 120mm fan to it.

I might get the sides and tops of the heatercores power-coated in silver... but... I'm trying to avoid having a 'real chrome' look mixed with 'fake chrome' look. More than likely, I'll have them painted metallic blue, keeping in line with the rest of the system. You'll see ^_^.

[skidooosl]

that looks great, i was thinking of havin some parts cromed, how much did it cost?

[Fushyuguru]

Mmmm sooky!

I love a good system mod! This is right up my alley.

:D

[DaveSauce]

:drool::drool::drool:

holy crap that's awesome.

Ive always wondered what a case would look when chromed....beautiful. I can't wait to see this thing finished.

[UberBlue]

It's about time slacker! And no excuses about the USB cable. :)

I love chrome. If I could I'd chrome my cat.

If you were feeling especially ballsy, you could take the pump apart and get the housing chromed. It would be a shame to have all that beautiful chrome goodness detracted from by that awfull blue-green color Iwaki chose for their pumps.

I can't wait to see this finished.

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by skidooosl
that looks great, i was thinking of havin some parts cromed, how much did it cost?

Hmmm... I honestly can't say how much this all would cost you. It completely depends on the parts involved. If the piece is really complex, like a drive cage or something similar, it would take a long time to polish. If it's flat and simple it would then depend on the type of metal. Steel would be cheap... copper would be cheap... brass... cheap. Aluminum is 'spensive... textured metals are the worst. Like, brushed aluminum or cast iron. I'd not even try with cast iron. I'd guess that a flat side-panel on a standard-sized mid-tower would be anywhere from $20-50, depending on the shop. My shop is pretty much as good as it gets, so that panel would probably be on the $50 end.

For an example... the chiller shroud was $50. That's sort of cheap considering the finish AND the fact that it was brushed anodized aluminum.

Ya'll are gonna love the nixie thermometer. AFAIK, it's never been done before.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar

Ya'll are gonna love the nixie thermometer. AFAIK, it's never been done before.

Details? Links? Sounds interesting.

Like this (http://www.hanssummers.com/electronics/clocks/nixie/index.htm), but in thermometer form?

[vonkaar]

Aye. My tubes are better though =p. I don't really like the side-viewing tubes. You'll see the tubes tonight. I should probably stop talking about the nixie thermometer, in case it falls flat on its face ^_^.

[Tazon]

Man that HAS to be the Coolest Case Ever. All plexi with no corners and chrome-blue interior . . . it's almost a shame to put anything in there, just put some blue stuff inside the empty plexi-chrome case, put it over the fireplace and call it abstract art . . .

On the down side, i hate those big cases. but, i guess you need the space.

How many HDDs are putting in there?

emilio

[f00t]

one word: sweet

cant wait to see the final product

[Robrules18]

i think thats actually an Aopen H700a case I might be wrong but i think thats what it is.

[GOD Macktruck]

mmmmmmmmmmm...

SS special silver edition. 8)

: ) :

awe yeah, good work with everything else ;)

[k3nshin]

no actually i believe that is the case that I currently have (very close, the outside looks that same as mine but the frame looks slightly different) for the longest time i had no clue who made the case... untill a few days ago when i was determined to find out! and i did!

http://www.in-win.com.tw/

it is the q500 case i believe

it has a removeable mobo tray right?

[9mmCensor]

That is slick so far, but then I am a sucker for shinny stuff.

nice work.

[vonkaar]

Alright... so, we go with a minor update.

The thermo-electric chiller.

I've seen lots of modified Vapochills and Prometias. I've seen hundreds of water-cooled computers. The thing that I seem to see the least of is TEC water-chilling. Evidently this is because it's considered an ineffecient use of energy and ultimately money. While that is possibly true, you can't argue the 'pretty' factor. Bulky compressors look too 1997 Kevin Costner post-apocalyptic nightmare prop and the standard water-cooling setup too often looks like a hobby-kit. Thermoelectrics would be the queer-eye for the straight-modder answer to attractive cooling (if such a show ever came to light).

In short, I don't see too many TEC water-baths... it's compact and offers a lot of modding potential so I figured out justification as I went. Cong me!

Anyway...

Modifying the chiller.

The original chiller was designed to cool lasers or something else that's both above my head and gets really hot. The first problem I encountered was that it was designed to work with 120vdc . Oh, and it pulls 550watts. Providing enough power would be expensive, so I decided to convert it down to 12v. There are 10 peltiers in the system, wired in series. Easy enough conversion ^_^>

The unit works like...
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller-basics.jpg

10 Peltier's. 5 on each side. Big heatsinks cool the 'hot' side, open chamber chills the coolant on the 'cold' side. Metal shroud covers the whole shebang so the 120mm fans can cool the heatsinks. The TECs are only 55w so this big heatsink works quite well.

Unfortunately, all of this is buried underneath a few inches of hardened insulation.
Observe:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller1-010904.jpg

So... I chip it away with my trusty bat-insulation-chipper (You Brits call it a flat-head screwdriver).

Slowly but surely the core and TECs started to appear. I was mindful not to break any of the TECs and I definitely didn't need to call up Marlowe to order 2 'new' units. Definitely didn't happen.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller2-010904.jpg

After all the chippage was done, I was able to remove the heatsinks and view the TECs in all their glory.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller3-010904.jpg

In case you are wondering... the gray cable goes to a thermometer controller and the red/green/black set go to the PSU.

More chipping finally reveals the seperated TECs and the liberated water-block. The block was surrounded by some supposedly high-end thermal interface fabric, which I of course scrubbed free. (I picked up some replacement pads from Marlowe when I... visited their factory).
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller4-010904.jpg

Stupid 6 image rule... breaking up my posts...

[vonkaar]

The block appeared to be a fairly low-flow maze / fin assembly. Lots of surface area.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller-internal.jpg

Anyway... I soldered longer leads on the TECs, remounted the block, TECs and heatsinks and then reinsulated everything up with a can of the stickiest, hardest-to-get-out-of-forearm-hair insulation in the world: Great Stuff©. The downside to this obviously long step was that I didn't save the pictures I took, so you only get the final result =/.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller-wired.jpg

Next, I will sleeve up the wires (chrome, of course), run them through the proper holes and come up with a nice outlet to couple the PSUs to. The Lambda LRS series weigh about 20lbs each. Even though I'll likely never really move the case around (unless I become a Bedouin, in which case I'm screwed =/), I'm not going to stick a pair of 20lb power supplies in my case. It's going to be heavy as hell as it is. I'll just have to have a second conduit, make it all fancy-like and power the TEC chiller from the outside. No problem!

Another fun touch: I picked up a pair of some car-audio fuse blocks with LED voltage display. I like the idea of some protection, since I'm pulling 600watts out of the wall... plus, chicks dig LED voltage displays. I win on both! More on that soonish.

Sleeving is in the mail, chiller-mod will continue when they arrive. More mods to do!

[Fushyuguru]

I like the TEC idea.Ive seen quite a few people running around with these things. Cant wait to see it actually inpractice.

Oh and I resent the fact that my compressor is thought of as neanderthal and 1987! Dont worry, Ill be taking care of that in due time... Nothing ugly goes in my projects. (Definition of Ugly up for debate).

[vonkaar]

Haha. I thought you'd get a kick out the vapo and compressor comments =p. I had an amazingly humorous quip on the basis of trendy evaporators, but it sort of fizzled out after the fourth word =/. I'd edit my post with, "Actually, I like the way compressors look, they look industrial and beefy," but... that would be admitting that I'm wrong and to do so would unmake existance.

[skahtul]

This looks like a really cool project. I can't wait to see what type of temps you get with that TEC Chiller and the SS. I really love the chrome frame with plexi, that is a combo I have not seen before and can't wait to see it.

GREAT JOB!

.. Did you build that shroud?

[Tazon]

ummm, sorry to go off topic but, could anybody explain to me (or direct me to an explanation) how this shroud - tec - vapochill- hotsidecoldside deal works?
just trying to dedonkeysize myself.

emilio

[Bensa]

Originally posted by vonkaar
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/chiller-wired.jpg

What are those cards, and why do you have three of them? :eh?:

That cooler is AWESOME. I think it can handle most temps that you can throw at it, since the gases in lasers get pretty damn hot.

Why did you choose the name, The Chrome Goat, or is it just a secret name until its finished?

[vonkaar]

Hehe... the 'goat' will be revealed when the time is right. The cards are Sound Blaster Live. When I first tested the chiller with a modest 80gph pump, it froze up after about 10 seconds. That's with room temperature water. My thermometer was broken =p.

[tbones1337]

i though those were lives.... This looks like a great mod.. Cant wait for the new pics.

[dalilman52]

woah man, ur case sounds like it would be awesome when its done, the concept ideas of plexiglass and chroming remind me of when i read THIS (http://www.bit-tech.net/article/114/) article down at bit-tech

[stan03]

dude that looks awsome

<<< serves dual purpose of subscribing to thread

[n3xu5]

ooo sooo bright i gotta wear my sunglasses hehe, pretty nice man, pretty nice. :D I'm thinking about getting some of my case internals anaodized blue or something.

[madcow235]

OOOOO SHINY

[Cyberwiz01]

wow! I am really looking forward to seeing this develop. It is the ocforums answer to bit-tech! Although your chromed parts do somewhat resemble the early stages of G-nome's work, I have no doubt that your work will have it's own unique style and flair. I personally really like the clean, refined "I-pod" look. Keep the updates coming man!

[Vulcan]

ahhhhhhhhhh.... I want it already.

[Fushyuguru]

Hey Orac3 is one thing.

I would love to see Gnome step into the realm of extreme cooling like we are going to see here. Take in all of the variables and deal out what I believe we are all going to be witnesses to.

Personally my jollies get rocked a tad more by a custom overclocked monster with a one ina million cooling system than shiny shower hoses and a huge budget.

(No offense to anyone at Bit Tech).

I just like my "Show" with a big side of "Go".

I think were going to have our own little niche here ot OC-Forums modding section. Eventually I would love to see us known for producing some sick cases that perform as well. We have a huge base built in overclocking bread and butter. I think that puts us in a great place unlike a strait forward case modding site.

(hehe, youve got alot to live up to now :D)

Mod On.

[Tazon]

>Its a Koala Bear, crap Rainbow-Brain Casarole.

what is this, for the love of Elvis??
this is not a PM because i am sure others want to hear the answer too...

[vonkaar]

For those that will undoubtedly make the comparison...

G-Gnome is my lord and master for computer-modding euphoria. There isn't a single thing that I will be doing that will even slightly compare with the slightest detail he's spent on Orac³. His is the only computer that I can show my 'non-nerd' friends and impress them. Orac³ breaks the boundary between the common layman response of, "why spend so much time on turning your PC into a low-rider?" and "holy crap, that's awesome." In ten years, when every PC is flashy and/or 'extreme', Orac³ will be remembered as 'the' hobbyist's final answer to a beautiful mod.

Having said that, I'm *still* going to do my 'own' mod. If Plexi and Chrome are all that it takes for me to be called a G-Gnome wannabe (thx emails), then I'm guilty. As it is, being a G-Gnome wannabe isn't really a 'bad' thing. He's amazingly talented. However, he and I are doing very different systems and the end-results will differ greatly.

Finally... in response to another set of emails I've received from these 2 threads (oc and bit-tech):
The Cascade-SS is not for sale. Unless you have 5 grand burning a hole in your pocket, stop asking.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar

The Cascade-SS is not for sale. Unless you have 5 grand burning a hole in your pocket, stop asking.

Please please, pretty please! Oh wait... *looks in rig*

I so hear ya on that one buddy.

But it is nice to know you're sitting on a potential gold mine that's worth more than you paid for it. Just think, a computer part that apreciates for once.

So when are we going to get an actuall update with some more pics?

[Fushyuguru]

Originally posted by Tazon
>Its a Koala Bear, crap Rainbow-Brain Casarole.

what is this, for the love of Elvis??
this is not a PM because i am sure others want to hear the answer too...

It started as a Sealab 2021 quote. Though I was way too drunk so it just turned into a Matt-of-the-day quote.

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by UberBlue
But it is nice to know you're sitting on a potential gold mine that's worth more than you paid for it. Just think, a computer part that apreciates for once.
Hah! For once... I mean, I guess my IBM PCjr might be worth some money to collectors... but I'm sure it's nowhere near the 5 grand my dad paid for it when I was a toddler. Have you been bugged about your SS? The offers are especially funny... the best I've seen was what I paid for it. Very haha and a little tee hee. But seriously folks... if you want to buy my SS for $5,000 USD, let me know and I'll take it into consideration.

Originally posted by UberBlue
So when are we going to get an actuall update with some more pics?

Did more work on the heatercores and I started building the 'bending' slab for the acrylic panels... but that's kinda boring. If ya'll really want to see the intricate details that go into hacking off a pair of pipes and attaching a few barbs, I'll post that =p. Otherwise...

Hmmm... updates...

I just got back from Home Depot with a nice bag of shiny rivets. I'm going to polish them up (stainless steel) so they appear 'chromey'. Currently, I'm eating a BBQ sandwich that puts the 'holy crap that's a hot' in 'Holy crap that's a hot sandwich!!!' For anyone that's ever had Texas BBQ... you know what I'm talking about. My mouth is a raging inferno. Satan has left 3 messages on my phone pleading for thermal tips and suggestions. Also, my truck has developed a new rattle that I'm only semi-worried about.

Oh... wait. You mean an update on the mod...

Hmm...

Well, I decided to use 1/8" acrylic on the front panel instead of the 1/4" I tested. I bought a few panels and will try out some bending tonight. If it looks stupid, I'll go back to 1/4". All other 'mods' are waiting on a few purchases to arrive. Patience, precious.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar

Hah! For once... I mean, I guess my IBM PCjr might be worth some money to collectors... but I'm sure it's nowhere near the 5 grand my dad paid for it when I was a toddler. Have you been bugged about your SS? The offers are especially funny... the best I've seen was what I paid for it. Very haha and a little tee hee. But seriously folks... if you want to buy my SS for $5,000 USD, let me know and I'll take it into consideration.


Just one, but I haven't advertized as much as you. I was offered an original Cascade and a 8500LE in trade. Coffee came spewing outta my nose when I read that.

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Looking Good Vonkaar:thup:

[vonkaar]

Mini update... teaser pics.

I've had a few people ask me about Nixies and what they do. My thermometer is still in the 'programming' stages so I can't show any real examples of *that*... but I can at least fire a few tubes up so ya'll can see how bright they are. There is a reason why so many people are infatuated with these little tubes.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/nixie-test011304.jpg

That's a little test light... hopefully that won't be the temperature I'm running at =p. Also, I did obtain a scientific nixie AND a cool +/- nixie, so I should be able to display negative temps as well. Cool, no?

This is a shot from distance... so you can see how bright they get. This is from about 6' away.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/nixie-testA011304.jpg


Second teaser...

This is my curse... and will probably be the reason why I take so long with this project. I should be focusing on the chiller, but my parts are still in transit. So, I start a bit on the thermometer... but then I get bored. Sooo... then I start bending some acrylic for the many many panels that need it. Then I look over and see that my heater cores are still in 'stock' stage... with their 6" pipes and such. Sooo... I hack them off. Then I start soldering on some barbs and I look back at my plexi bending table and go back to that.

Soooooooooooooooo...

I swear I have ADD. My mom even thinks I do.

Hey look, pizza...

Oh...

Anyway... Teaser pic. SO I have half-ass heatercore and a half-ass shroud. The heatercores will of course be finished in... take a guess... and the shroud will also lose it's 'half-ass' status. I started out with 1/8" acrylic for the shroud but it didn't look like it could hold the weight of the fan up top (chimney shroud ^_^) so I switched to 1/4". It carried the light a *lot* better and appears like it will have no problem with a few pounds of blower atop it.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/hc-shroud-beta01-011304.jpg

The fingerprints are visible, as are the minute nicks and scratches that I need to buff out. That's all fine and dandy... I mean, the curves look nice and all, but it's not until you switch the lights on that the real show begins:

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/hc-shroud-beta02-011304.jpg

Now, that is a lot cooler looking. The problem I'm having with it is the apparent 'need' for the night. That sucks. Hopefully when it's finished and shiny and such, it won't look so lame in the light. I really envy those that can design their cases to look just as good in the day as in the night. That's why I've never been a huge fan of UV (with exceptions, of course). I don't want my case to look kinda plain... get "that's neato" reactions and have to resort to "wait, let me turn off the lights" to get a strong reaction. I mean, turning off the lights with Barry White playing in the background isn't supposed to be for showing your COMPUTER off. Maybe I'm just being paranoid with the pictures. The curves look better in person =p.

Anyway... the top has to be evened out, scratches buffed out... second panel attached (I found some really cool Acryllic piano hinges for the joint)... and LEDs hidden better. Then the top blower-shroud will be joined with the top of the HC shroud and I will reach nirvana.

I probably should just stop taking pictures unless there is something 'chrome' in the pic... a spoon even.

[UberBlue]

Please tell me you're not going the ghetto route in regards to bonding the acrylic. IPS Weld-On 3 or 4 is the stuff to use.

As far a scratches...

Novus 2 and 3 are your friends. I love the stuff.

[TheNewGuy143]

Definitely gona look good!!! Keep up the good work. Serves dual purpose of subscribing to thread
TheNewGuy

[Vulcan]

daym.... how much is this costing?

[DayUSeX]

wow that is looking very cool i cant wait to see the finsihed product!!!

[Posidon42]

Originally posted by UberBlue
Please tell me you're not going the ghetto route in regards to bonding the acrylic. IPS Weld-On 3 or 4 is the stuff to use.

As far a scratches...

Novus 2 and 3 are your friends. I love the stuff.

I am getting ready to do some plexi work myself. Where can I get these products? I don't have anything for the scratches right now but I was planning on using plastic weld for joining my panels.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by Posidon42


I am getting ready to do some plexi work myself. Where can I get these products? I don't have anything for the scratches right now but I was planning on using plastic weld for joining my panels.

Mr. Plexi (http://www.misterplexi.com/access.html)

Keep in mind they're not really set up to be an E-commerce site. $50 minimum order, less than that they charge something like $5 for bugging them. If you get 3 of the big bottles (recomended) of Novus polishes, a couple of applicator bottles, and a thing of Weld-on, it'll be right around $50.

Also, they seem to think that if you pay by CC/debit, it's ok just to E-mail them your CC number. :eek: Thankfully they take PayPal.

If anybody knows a better place to get the Novus, pipe up. The stuffs a bear to find.

If you live in a major metropolitan area, you'd have better luck calling around to local glass shops. If they carry plexi, they at least probbably have the Weld-on or equivelent. I bet vonkaar could get all of it localy.

Those applicator bottles ROCK!

[vonkaar]

haw... Xoxide used to have it but they are always out of stock now days.

I have novus 2... never seen the 3 in person. They sell the stuff at my chrome shop ^_^.

Otherwise...
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=novus

Thanks for the suggestion UberBlue. I have a good acrylic bonder but I'm going to try out the IPS stuff. I read a couple reviews on it and it seems like it may be better than what I have.

Good place for it:
http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=131
Hell... while we are at TAP, they stock Novus 1, 2 & 3 =p.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar
haw... Xoxide used to have it but they are always out of stock now days.

I have novus 2... never seen the 3 in person. They sell the stuff at my chrome shop ^_^.

Otherwise...
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=novus

Thanks for the suggestion UberBlue. I have a good acrylic bonder but I'm going to try out the IPS stuff. I read a couple reviews on it and it seems like it may be better than what I have.

Good place for it:
http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=131
Hell... while we are at TAP, they stock Novus 1, 2 & 3 =p.

Just be warned... The IPS is super thin. I spilled a drop on a smooth counter and was like "where did it go?". It just disappeared.

Novus 3 Gives you the crystal clear shine. Well worth it.

[Posidon42]

That TAP plastics place seems pretty cool. I wonder if they do custom work?

[skahtul]

THIS (http://68.72.74.114/PRODUCTS/E30CL.htm) is the stuff I used to "glue" a plexi-glass reservoir together with. Like it says in the description, it is Ultra Clear, you can't even see the glue between the seems. And it is VERY strong.

Also, just a question vonkaar, are you going to mount your heater cores stacked like in the picture?

GREAT job on that bending of the plexi. I hope I get it down that good when I have to do it in a few weeks.

[Posidon42]

Originally posted by skahtul
THIS (http://68.72.74.114/PRODUCTS/E30CL.htm) is the stuff I used to "glue" a plexi-glass reservoir together with. Like it says in the description, it is Ultra Clear, you can't even see the glue between the seems. And it is VERY strong.

Also, just a question vonkaar, are you going to mount your heater cores stacked like in the picture?

GREAT job on that bending of the plexi. I hope I get it down that good when I have to do it in a few weeks.

Got any leftover you don't need anymore? I am just going to be building a small box and I really don't need a whole tube of stuff. LMK

[rhino56]

what an awesome project!!

[rabidchicken]

do you use a heat table to bend? or is there another way i had to sell everything out of my shop when i got deployed and was wondering if theres another way to bend the plexi....

[Posidon42]

I was planning on doing this a bit easier (maybe?). I have a simple box I am making that is 6x5x4". What I was going to do was to use my dremel with my router attachment and the cone shaped cutting bit to make a 45 degree groove on either side of the joint. I am not going to cut it all the way through though. This way I don't have to heat the plastic up very much in order to get it to bend and there will also be a very nice surface for the acrylic to bond to.

Hopefully I will have some time to mess with it over the upcoming three day weekend and can give you some results when I am done.

[vonkaar]

Well... I have two different methods. I have a wire-strip heater that works BRILLIANTLY on the 1/8" pieces. I mean... PERFECT bends, every time. It's kinda sloppy on the 1/4". I'm pretty well going to stick with 1/4" on every piece on the project (it glows SO much better :( ). I use a heat-gun with a 'narrow' attachment to focus the heat better. It takes about 60-90 seconds of heat before it's soft enough to bend. I bend it around a rounded table edge with a flat piece of wood.

skahtul: Yes, I am going to mount the pair of heatercores in a series like that. The blower pushes through them like they weren't even there ^_^.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar
skahtul: Yes, I am going to mount the pair of heatercores in a series like that. The blower pushes through them like they weren't even there ^_^.

Are you sure you want to do that? It's not the best option performance wise.

[vonkaar]

Compared to 2 seperate fans over 2 seperate heatercores in series or parallel, it clearly wouldn't be. However... most setups that run that way are using 2 fans for 'maybe' 200cfm on each radiator... the radiators are usually smaller and they take up a hell of a lot more room than I am. I'm pushing a lot more air through the same amount of surface area (in comparison with a dual caprice setup) with *much* less space taken up.

I would imagine that the difference between 200cfm(x2) through a 'properly' installed dual-heatercore setup would only be slightly more effective than 700cfm through a pair mounted in series. I'm losing little and gaining a lot of space. The other option was to mount 2 chevette cores in the same space, but run them next to each other, instead of on top of each other. I'm only 'guessing' that I'll see better performance out of 2 'large' radiators in series (on top of each other) than 2 smaller radiators sitting next to each other.

Also... I am well aware of the fact that my numbers aren't exactly 'hard facts'... meaning, 700cfm will obviously 'not' be 700cfm after going through the pair of radiators, but then... a pair of 100cfm fans through 1 radiator won't be 200cfm on the far side either. The top blower isn't the primary source of case airflow, it's only an added bonus.

Cliff Notes: I know that I'd be better off with a pair of radiators sitting in seperate shrouds, I'm simply sticking with the best option I can in the space I designed.

[SniperXX]

Looks great! I cant wait to see this mod progress and the chome is awesome!

[UberBlue]

OK. It's obvious you've put alot of thought into it. My brain is stuck in a rut and totaly spaced that huge blower. With that much air the dT of air in/out will be tiny. You probably wouldn't see a detectible difference in temps between the way you're gonna do it vs. two seperate shrouds.

[skahtul]

Not 100% true. I will dig up an article. It says that running them stacked can even be counter productive (you would NEVER see this setup in a car). You are just looking at airflow, which is not the problem. The problem is that you are blowing hot air from one radiator into the second radiator, which is a problem. Of course it will work and as you have said, space is a concern (I know I have had this problem). It was only a thought. I was sure that you knew all about it anyway :D

GREAT JOB SO FAR!

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by skahtul
The problem is that you are blowing hot air from one radiator into the second radiator, which is a problem.
GREAT JOB SO FAR!

define "hot". You're forgeting that the blower he is using will be blowing a massive amount of air resulting in a very low delta T between air in/out.

True, doing it the convetional way using two 120mm fans would be a supremely bad idea.

It could be argued that he might see better performance doing it this way due to the extra amount of air realized by not dividing total volume in half for two seperate shrouds. I'll be consevative and assume that the 700cfm the blower is rated for will be reduced by resistance from the core to 500cfm passing through both cores. Or split the total 700cfm in two for induvidually shrouded cores to 350cfm and whack off another 50cfm for core resistance. Which sounds better? 500cfm or 300cfm per rad. Those extra 200cfm will more than make up for the negligibly warmer air blowing over the second core

Keep in mind blowers have alot more balls behind em' than axial fans

The reason you will never see it in a car is because the dT between air/engine coolant is 100+ degrees

[skahtul]

Originally posted by UberBlue


Keep in mind blowers have alot more balls behind em' than axial fans



Good point, I was thinking more along the lines of traditional air flow, not hurricane wind power :D Point taken.

vonkaar, how many watts does that gun of yours use to bend the thick plexi?

[skahtul]

Originally posted by UberBlue


define "hot". You're forgeting that the blower he is using will be blowing a massive amount of air resulting in a very low delta T between air in/out.



One last thought on this from me. By "HOT" I really was talking about the water. IF you set them up in series, then YES no matter the air flow you are hurting your self some. You should not pass water that has already been cooled once through a second radiator (if stacked). But I missed if they were going to be parallel or series. Splitting the water and sending it through in parallel would work well.

BTW, i am just interested because I want to build a Dual Core setup to cool my CPU also and was kind of looking for answers.

[vonkaar]

It's going to be run in parallel.

However... even in series, it's still possible.

Blower
First HC (in order of water position)
Second HC

That would be blowing slightly hotter air (at that velocity, the air temperature increase would be so tiny it's hardly worth mentioning) into the second heatercore. The water temperature would be higher in the top radiator and then lower in the bottom. The air temp would be lower in the first and higher in the second.

Blower
Second HC (in order of water position)
First HC

In this case, the air would not change position... it's still 'ever so slightly' lower in the top radiator than in the second. However, the water temperature would be lower in the bottom than it would in the top radiator. But again, the difference is so small it's not worth mentioning.

If the velocity of the airflow wasn't so high, it might be a problem. If there was more room between the two radiators, it might be a bigger problem. If the shroud weren't so tight and there was a lot of lost airflow due to the surrounding space, it might be a problem. I'm minimizing all of the foreseeable(by my eyes anyway) problems by running them in parallel, with a tight shroud and 'no' space between the radiators; with a badass high-volume blower.

Also.. I don't know the specs on the heat-gun... I can give you the model number if you want. I've used two different guns though and they both worked pretty well. I'd imagine that any professional heat-gun would do the job.

[Fushyuguru]

Id recomend anything over 400Watts. Some of them are way up there near 1000watts. Though anything 400watts or more will hit at least 500 degrees within an inch of the gun tip.

[ShaDrag]

I love the work so far vonkaar. Super cooling + total system mod = uber system. I'm planning to get one of those chillers from Bender so I'm particularly interested in everything concerned with it. I'm sure you'll have a lot more updates, please do a bunch on the chiller!

[UberBlue]

Bump. SLACKER!

[vonkaar]

Oops... I posted this on the bit-tech thread... should repeat here as well:

"Sorry about the lack of updates lately... I've been really sick with some sort of chronic migraines. There will probably be a lot more stuff to show by Friday, provided that this new pain killer works out for me. I finished my little strip heater for acrylic bending... it's making things amazingly easy. My blower PSU is in the chrome tank... along with a few other smaller pieces. The blower goes to the 'arteest' on Thursday, so we should have some cool pictures of that in a few weeks."

[ShaDrag]

Awwwwww, a whole week has passed. I got my chiller though! Although I haven't had time to really take a look at it :-(

[TheGhengisKhan]

Originally posted by Fushyuguru
Id recomend anything over 400Watts. Some of them are way up there near 1000watts. Though anything 400watts or more will hit at least 500 degrees within an inch of the gun tip.

This is good to know, I was just recently given a heatgun for christmas by my in-laws, and it is a 2-way heat gun, with a 3-way switch. 1300w-off-600w So I guess this will work very well for my upcomming project.

[UberBlue]

What's the word I'm looking for...


Oh yeah...


SLACKER!


You know I'm gonna keep bugging you till this is done.

[TheGhengisKhan]

lol, I put a shortcut to this thread on my desktop for frequent checking for updates....

Get crackin!

;) j/k take your time and do it right.

[Fast420A]

Come on Vonkaar, King of all that is shiney and cold, GIVE US MORE PICS!!! Your case is like the ONLY case I have looking at the walkthru for a lot. I love the shiny chrome, being a former car buff, I miss playing with it. :D Good luck with the headaches, my wife gets migraines a lot too. I'll PM you about something that helps her's out.

[vonkaar]

I've still been fairly sick lately and so the work has been pretty low-key... nothing with 'heat' =p. However... I acquired a nifty little thermal test setup that includes this sweet datalogger...

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/omega-thermo.jpg

It has 40 sensors... all of which can be independantly monitored, logged (by paper and 232 output) and compared against one another (if t2+t14>50° sound alarm). The logging feature can be setup to record at half-second intervals or up to a whole week... I have it set to take a temp for each sensor every hour. At the end of the day I take a look at the printout and learn all kinds of things ^_^. It's GREAT for tweaking every ounce out of a complicated cooling system like this.

[TheGhengisKhan]

:drool: where do you get such wonderful toys? (translation: where can I get one?)

[UberBlue]

I have a feel ing he stumbles across these things through his work.

Seriously dude, you need to pick up shop, move to Washington state, and give me a job. I've even got a spare bedroom for ya untill you get your own place. I wanna crack at all the cool shed you drag up.

[vonkaar]

Yeah... I work for a fairly large test & measurements company... the guys I work with are almost all ex-Navy / Vietnam War vets that have worked on various electronic toys throughout their lives. Half of them think I'm an idiot for asking such 'simple' electronics questions while a few 'others' think I'm funny for doing crazy things to my computers.

There is one guy that specializes in environmental test equipment... imagine a large box that contains a 2' cube that can heat or cool anything inside it by 200° +/- 0°C. I keep hoping they'll give me one of those =p. The guy that works on these is like... 65 years old and has 40 years of experience in designing high-end phase-change systems... like, "lets see if this transistor assembly will work in outer-space... build me a test box to simulate such conditions." Fortunately, he likes me just fine so he has all types of wisdom for me and my sub-zero goals ^_^. Unfortunately, he's old and is going to retire soon =/.

But yeah... they throw out high-current power supplies, refurbished oscilloscopes, logic analyzers... all kinds of badass electronic gear that's way over my head. If I see a rack full of 6" Comair fans, I strip it down and add it to my 'pile o fans'. They would have only received .06$ per lb for the scrap metal =/. Such a waste 8(. Ya'll should see some of the cool military boxes they have... 'killowatt surge simulator' and such. I bet that would be fun...

Oooooh... as I digress further into the realm of 'not really an update'...

Anyway... yeah... anytime they see any new 'thermal testing' equipment, they give me a shout. That thermal-data-logger was one that they were going to sell, but for fairly cheaply since they didn't have any manuals for it (anyone that can GET such a manual, I'd pay handsomely for it... model is OM-440, unlike what it says on the front). I *did* find a manual for the Thermo... Omega 660... so I was able to determine what type of thermister to use.

[vonkaar]

Also... Redmond is far too close to the headquarters of Satan, therefore I could not possibly move there =/.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar
Also... Redmond is far too close to the headquarters of Satan, therefore I could not possibly move there =/.

Fine... Have it your way, but it's a great place for some hardcore friday night nerd hunting ;) Redmond is open season all year with no bag limit.

[felinusz]

This looks really incredible so far - keep up the chroming :)

Have you thought about using actual mirrors inside the case (althogh perhaps it would be unnessacery depending on the shinyness of the chroming you've got)? If positioned cleverly they could really help create the lighting effect you want, and conceivably still keep the light sources hidden. And are you planning on chroming the pump at all?

Looking forward to the unveiling of the 'goat' whatever it may be...

[ShaDrag]

Yes! Cool stuff, I love cool stuff, keep it coming. Get well man, it sucks to be sick.

[UberBlue]

*long drawn out sigh*

[SniperXX]

Wow thats a good temp monitor, your job sounds very intersting too. :)

[TheGhengisKhan]

Hey Vonkaar, Think they'd hire a Navy electronics guy that's getting a medical discharge? might be worth moving to TX instead of back home to OH to work somewhere that sounds like so much fun :D

[Providence]

It's perfectly fine that you stay in Texas...Dallas, specifically. This town rocks so much more than Redmond ever could.

I mean...you have 2 MAJOR gaming festivals here every year (CPL and Quakecon - Qcon is free btw). There is a TON of technological job offerings in Dallas, Plano, Addison, Irving (I think Nokia is there), plus its beautiful weather. I don't care how hot it is, it's beautiful.

What company do you work for? Sounds like maybe TI...

Oh and to keep the thread on track, this is extremely awesome. Extremely. Hopefully I can do something to top your work :p

[ShaDrag]

Originally posted by UberBlue
*long drawn out sigh*

Amen

[vonkaar]

I think I'll probably average a post a month =p. I sort of like the way G-gnome did it... make each post a big one. I think most people here on oc are used to almost daily updates, so... maybe this wouldn't be the most popular thing in the world =p. We'll see how it goes. I'll try and finish an update in a week or so.

TheGhengisKhan,
You can check... I don't think they are hiring engineers right now, but it seems like they were in the recent past. It's 'tucker electronics' if you want to check them out... they use monster.com for their job postings.

[TheGhengisKhan]

well, I'm not an "Engineer" but more of a "Tech"... Navy terms are wacked compared to the civilian counterparts. So I guess Engineer is close to the correct term...

[UberBlue]

SLACKER!!!

At least post some new pics.

[Fushyuguru]

Nice datalogger. Ive been keeping my eye on ebay for something just like that to pop up. No go so far.

So it can take 30+ thermocouple inputs?!

[Cyrix_2k]

Originally posted by UberBlue
SLACKER!!!

At least post some new pics.

I'm thinking the same thing

[vonkaar]

heh... ok...

still not ready for an update... but... here's the latest thing I'm working on:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/vfd-021904.jpg

[UberBlue]

VFD?

[vonkaar]

aye... way way bright... 20x2.

[Mark620]

Someone stated about stacking the heater cores. It is not a problem. arrange the waterflow so it goes into the core that is the farthest from the fan first...Fan-cooler water-warmer water-exhaust.

[BeerHunter]

Sweet. Can't wait to see how you're going to integrate that big arse blower in the case. It's the only fan you need if you plot out directional flows.

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by Mark620
Someone stated about stacking the heater cores. It is not a problem. arrange the waterflow so it goes into the core that is the farthest from the fan first...Fan-cooler water-warmer water-exhaust.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be running them in series or parallel yet... Still testing that. So far, parallel seems to give slightly better temps. Although... Uberblue's work on his high-flow rads is really inspiring me to rip him off completely and trademark it as my own.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by vonkaar


Although... Uberblue's work on his high-flow rads is really inspiring me to rip him off completely and trademark it as my own.

Go for it. More than happy to lend assistance.

[Remove]

Been keeping up with both projects with great interest.

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by UberBlue
VFD?

Though he was showing the Pen off... Bic?

[UberBlue]

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/1203/vfd-0219041.jpg

[WejRepus]

uberblue, i believe that the "thingy" is an iPod in a carrying case

[Fushyuguru]

And I believe that Booger extraction tool is a pen.

A pen that no one wants to touch now.

[k3nshin]

Originally posted by WejRepus
uberblue, i believe that the "thingy" is an iPod in a carrying case

actually i think it is the ipod

just in a case

[Cyrix_2k]

Now I know why UberBlue has the rank of "Completely NUTS". ;)

Anyways, I think the "NB block" is a speaker or something as there are wires soldered to it.

[vonkaar]

First... why the hell does this pic get all the badass detail when all of my other picks reek of donkey balls?
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/uber-closeup.jpg

Holy crap, you are a freak UberBlue...

Ya'll are doing pretty well haha... That is a NB block... the wires are little test leads that were on my desk. I didn't want them to fall into hands of evil-doers, so I preserved them by temporarily hiding them within the safety of the block. The CPU is my old JIUHB from hell... sorta collecting dust atm... waiting on my getting around to installing it in another system for F@H.

The 'thingy' is a 30Gb IPod that's about 80% full. About 20 Gigs of gay Eighties bands and wrestlemania death rock. (That's humor). The sharpie is a former KGB spy detection tool... I can't tell you any additional information.

The green thing used to be a retainer case... it now holds spare diamonds and platinum ignots I have laying around.

The rainbow cable is the data cable for the VFD.

The booger extraction pen is currently being used as described.

[SniperXX]

uberblue and vonkaar your posts really cracked me up. uberblue I think you got too much free time... your identifying stuff in ppls pics, lol. Maybe you should start a thread where you guess whats in ppls pics??? Lol.

[ShaDrag]

March 2nd already, we need updates.....please?

[Grampa]

yes,update please,,,and just what are you using the measuring spoons for?????

[Chixofnix]

OMG this is the funniest mod thread EVAR!!!

Uber your nuttiness is to be commended! and vonkaar step up w/ the pix!!! :D:D:D

[Fafnir1]

Vonkaar, I'm initerested in the TEC chiller, although, if it was functional, I'd have left it @ the 120 VDC, as it is easier to put together an isolation xformer, full wave bridge & filtering than it is to pay for a Meanwell 24 amp 12 powersupply. (and if there are anymore of them I want to sign up for it!)
And ask the VETs' if they ever had the Honor of serving on the USS Inchon or USS Peleliu, as I did both.

[Grampa]

Originally posted by UberBlue
SLACKER!!!

At least post some new pics.

[Big_Baller]

VFD? Vonkaar's Frying Device?

Sorry perhaps its obvious or ich bin ein noob! :D
:
:

Ah after a little searching I see that its a display. Cool

[ShaDrag]

Wow 16th already. now I'm getting scared...

[Cerberus2k7]

C'mon! Just give us a teaser! This thing is going to get overhyped and then die harder than the third Matrix. :D

[DJ Spike]

How to keep a topic alive.......

Although he made someone curious! ME!

Uberblue, finaly someone who deserves his title! :P

[vonkaar]

Seriously people... it's coming. I completed a couple hurdles that were holding me back lately... purchased the PWM controller and linear pot (push pull style, very chic) for the blower... did a little touch-up work on the chrome... finished the chiller's power setup...

The reason I've delayed for so long is the plexi shell. I've finally figured out how to get the white inner coat to look right. The mounting scheme is worked out, now I just have to wait for it to get back from the painter. After that, I'll be back to the weekly updates =p. I'll try and get enough work done this week to have an update by the weekend. I just *really* wanted to get the plastic done before the 2nd 'big' update, but... oh well... the electronics are cool enough ccc.

[Cerberus2k7]

woo! the almighty vonkaar has posted! *Buys 4 more bags of popcorn and 2 24 packs of Dr.Pepper* This should hold me over until the wait. :p

[Tnick24]

anything new? I really want to see something!!!

[vonkaar]

Alright, more stuff to tide you over. I recently lost an entire 'wing' of my project by my slackluster skills with the torch. I *should* have taken pictures *first* or at least... the demolished radiators, but... take my word for it.

Basically, I had my 2 radiators chromed on the sides. This was more expensive than anything I've yet chromed because they had to work some mojo in order to have individual components polished up without coating the fins in heat-insulating goop. The bottom tanks were totally shiney and the sides looked way way cool. However, I eventually became unhappy with the quality of the barbs so I went about re-smelting them. The torch somehow melted some internal joint and I never could find the leak. So... I sledged the whole she-bang and tossed it. Heartbreak 8(.

So... I'm contracting some 'outside' help with my rads. He's a God.

Anyway...

I thought that ya'll would at least like to see what my bender has been up to. The last big hurdle I have on finishing the update is the shroud... after it's done, I *promise* I'll make a real update... enough of this teasing BS.

So... yeah...

Originally, I was bending stuff with a hot-blower and a couple pieces of wood. This was more than a little barbaric, so I... constructed my bender. Total cost was about $50. If ya'll want another 'mini' update with pics on how this was done, let me know.

Anyway, the first set of bends looked like this:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/plexi-bender1.jpg

You see how sloppy the corners are... it wasn't even square. Meaning, if I laid it flat like it is, one end pops up and it sort of rocks. I got a bunch of other bends to look a lot better with this method, but it became obvious that I'd have some serious trouble creating the 'truly' nice bends that I would eventually need.

So... I made the hot-strip bender and now I'm able to get perfectly square bends. I just made this thing for the 'mini' update:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/plexi-bender2.jpg

You can see how much better the bends are looking... I'm able to make them perfectly square and can come up with all kinds of interesting shapes. Oh... the two 'imperfections' in the bend were intentional =p. You see the small fold in the 'boxy' part, that was slightly pressed forward for... er... flare. The second blemish is on the far lower-left. That's actually perfectly straight, the bent plexi distorted the image and makes it look odd. Otherwise, it's perfect! It's a perfect... er... thing.

My girlfriend walked in as I was finishing this and I tried to convince her that I made a recipe-book holder. She didn't buy it... nor did she cook for me. Anyway... the bender is great... I just wish I could chrome it or something because plywood is so 1994 Bob Vila =/.

Oh... and for your Uberblue (God) random 'guess what's on Vonkaar's tables' enjoyment... here's another random shot:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/workarea1.jpg

[UberBlue]

There's only three things on that table I can't place.

But where's the nipple clamps?

[vonkaar]

My dungeon. I call it, "Canada."

[BeerHunter]

The ARK did'nt take Noah this long to build:P


Hey J/k looking sweet this will prolly be the case all others are compared to.:)

[Tnick24]

Yea, i most deffinatly want to see this "bob vila" bender doo-hicky. At least it will give us something to look at untill the next update.

[Cyrix_2k]

I wouldn't mind seeing the bender thing either.

BTW, nice job so far.

[Tnick24]

heres a bump for this project

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by vonkaar
My dungeon. I call it, "Canada."

It must be peaceful...

[vonkaar]

MAJOR work being finished this weekend. The time is almost here... I know that this may seem like another 'useless' post from Vonkaar promising an update, but... I'm serious this time =p. I have some plastic in the shop and as soon as they finish it, there will be the first 'official' update. Hopefully soon.

I'll take some pics of the bender tonight and hopefully make a miniature update of it.

[Tnick24]

Originally posted by vonkaar
MAJOR work being finished this weekend. The time is almost here... I know that this may seem like another 'useless' post from Vonkaar promising an update, but... I'm serious this time =p. I have some plastic in the shop and as soon as they finish it, there will be the first 'official' update. Hopefully soon.

I'll take some pics of the bender tonight and hopefully make a miniature update of it.


cant wait!

[Orange Fire.]

uMm.. looking Good.

[UberBlue]

Don't mind the white powder in the bottom of the box....

...It's harmless...

... I swear....

[Tnick24]

what?

[Unoid]

is that refried beans in a yellow industrial container?

[Cerberus2k7]

*Waits patiently for update* :p

Take your time man, the more time you spend the better it will look. Unless you just slack off and it looks like crap. Then we will be forced to E-Hurt you. :p

[shard]

this is the longest thread ive ever seen. hurry up damnit!!

[Tnick24]

Originally posted by shard
this is the longest thread ive ever seen. hurry up damnit!!



naa i have one thats at 56 pages on my local car racing site.

its the mods ive done to my charger.

[t1mex]

Originally posted by shard
this is the longest thread ive ever seen. hurry up damnit!!

heres one that blows this one out of the water:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=244237&perpage=30&pagenumber=1


and i know ive seen longer on here... i think the mobile bartons thread is approaching 50 IIRC



EDIT:

only 42 :o
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271103

[shard]

damn that is big. but like i said MOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!

[DeViL_909]

SLACKER!

Sorry had to tag you with it :)

[ShaDrag]

Its the weekend again, time for more work!

[tbones1337]

Originally posted by UberBlue
Don't mind the white powder in the bottom of the box....

...It's harmless...

... I swear....



Thats what you said when you told me to touch my PSU's cap's.


You lied..



Hey man, get the thing finished with some shots.. even i can do a mod within this time frame.. well spray 2 case sides.. heh.

[vonkaar]

The time has come.
I just got an email from my plastics supplier.
This weekend.

(can you sense the drama?)

[Orange Fire.]

:argue: :temper: <---- I can sence this

[64Thunderbolt]

looking good... cant wait to see this project finished...

cheers
Charlie

[vonkaar]

Howdy.

Alright... it's time. Back in the swing of things and such... from here on out, I have no excuses. Ninety-five percent of every single thing that I need to buy has been bought. The plastic people still have 3 or 4 other pieces to cut for me, but they are some of the 'last' pieces needed. Sooo... your 'hurry up, slacker' comments are now justified =p.

First, I said I'd talk about the bender a while ago. It's an incredibly useful tool and can be made for 1/10th the cost of a professional plexi-bender. I bought something called a "wire strip heater" from Tap plastics, although I've since found some local vendors that sell it for much cheaper. Anyway... this is the heating element that I use to bend the plastic.

Next, I bought a large piece of plywood from Home Depot. The idea is... you have a 3/4" to 1" wide channel to place the stripper into. You can do this with a router (which I don't own) or... the way I chose. The bender will be 24" long, so... I bought a piece of plywood that was 24"x24". I then had the sales guy cut the wood in half so I had two sections, 12x24" each. Then, I had the guy cut one of the pieces in half, leaving me with two 6x24" strips. Finally, I had him shave 1" off one of the 6" pieces, leaving me with my final assembly...
1 5x24" strip
1 6x24" strip
1 12x24" strip.

The 12" wide piece was the base for the bender. The two smaller pieces are then screwed onto the base, with a 1" space between them. If you go with heat resistant plywood, you don't need to insulate this... if not, it is reccomended that you place a layer of fibreglass in between the base and the two strips.

Next, a whole bunch of aluminum foil is bent around until I had a long U shaped channel... this is used both for heat insulation as well as reflection... a good portion of the heating depends on the aluminum foil. On one end, a grounding cable needs to be attached by a screw to the aluminum. The other end of this grounding cable should go to common ground.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-construction.jpg

Here we are.

Finally... when you have the aluminum foil channel secured in the path (using small tacks), you can place the wire-strip heating element inside the aluminum. When that's done... cong. You know have God-like powers over plexiglass. Little scrap pieces of acrylic bow down to your every whim. In fact, you might say... they'd bend over backwards HAHAHAHA!!! Villagers in Lexan-burg will sacrifice goats and cattle to appease you. You are PLEXI-MASTER. (too early in the morning... too much caffeine...)


http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-finished.jpg

Quick example of how easy it is to bend with this thing...

Step one: Heat it up for a few minutes, depending on the thickness and type of plastic. 1/4" lexan takes a bit longer than 1/8" acrylic.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-example1.jpg
Next... you can bend by hand, or use a wooden 'jig' to get your precise angles. I use a 90°/45°/45° carpenter's triangle and a long flat strip of wood. In this example, it's all by hand. You should take note that the only part of the plastic that heats up is at the bend... so... don't touch it with your hands. This is not only bad because of potential burns, but the fingerprints (and possibly flesh) will be permanently 'stuck' on the plastic. That sucks.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-example2.jpg
Now you can see how malleable the plastic has become. I've never had a fear of bending too quickly or pulling it apart like silly-putty... but it really DOES have the bend consistancy of... say... salt-water taffy. If you hold one end and flap at the joint, it WILL fly around. This gives you an idea on how easy it is to bend it precisely.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-example3.jpg
Once this piece is off the heat, it will start to dry and harden within 10-20 seconds. Plenty of time to get a precise angle. This time shortens if you are flapping it around the room shouting CAW! CAW! CAW! This took me several expensive pieces of plexi to figure out... it's either the airflow of the flappage, or there is some mystical connection between 'caw' and plexi-hardening time. Aaaanyway...
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-bender-example4.jpg
There you go. A perfectly rounded bend, with great optical clarity. Shine an LED into one end and the light follows to the other. Imagine the possibilities! And, yes... if you were wondering, that IS Stalin and Roosevelt sitting on their commodes.

So... I finished that plexi bender months ago... what is my excuse for so long in delaying the project? Well... a huge part were health problems. Headaches and then a few grand at the dentist (Damn you mountain dew!!!) prevented me from putting 'too high' a priority on this. But... that's all in the past! The project and I have renewed our vows of love and progress shall commence.

[vonkaar]

And here we are.

The 'real' update is actually still in the works. In the works means, as soon as I finish the sides. Here is a picture of them in their infancy...

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-plexi-panels.jpg

When I finish with those... be prepared... (ooooh... drama)

What else?

Well, Uberblue of Overclocker fame saw how much time and money and time and effort and money and money and limbs I was wasting on my less-than-crappy welding skills, so he helped me out in my quest. His plumber's soldering skills are legendary, even among professional plumbers. Check out the beautiful work he accomplished for a friend:

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-rad-pair.jpg
closeup of his amazingly precise soldering job...
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-rad-barbs.jpg

Now... ya'll know how I get with Chrome and all things aesthetic... those rads *have* been cleaned up and are currently sitting in my chrome shop. Fun plans on those ^_^.

Speaking of chrome... I thought my Corsair memory was the bomb until I realized how stupid I sound by saying, "The bomb." So, I then started calling my Corsair memory "Really spiffy." But all of that changed when I saw some rave reviews of these Geil 4200 sticks... "okay, cool..." I thought to myself after hours of meditation. Is it worth the extra cash for a bit of performance? Nah...

But then...

The actual picture of this ram appeared.

Chrome.

Cong me. This is the most beautiful RAM ever. It slept on my pillow that night while I stayed on the couch. Honor such beauty.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-ram.jpg
Closeup...
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-ram-closeup.jpg
It's a lot harder to photograph these things, compared to my bigger pieces of chrome... to get the really shiny look, you need to be facing it the same way your flash is reflecting. This leaves you with a huge blurry bright light. That sucks... so... I had to seriously angle the pieces... somewhat diminishing the chrome look. Trust me, however... they are just as 'chromey' as my pieces.

[vonkaar]

Speaking of a poorly written segue, my fan PWM controller rocks!
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-pwm.jpg

There really is no other way to control a 150w 48v fan than a nice PWM controller. This thing is rated up to 10a/50v... and is hardly bigger than a pair of match boxes. Back in my orphan days, I used to sell matchbooks on the grimey streets of London, but that's another story...

Anyway, it's small. The speed is controlled by a standard 10k pot. But... ya'll can figure out how 'non-standard' I am... who wants a stupid knob sticking out the side of your computer? Not me!

Dunno how many of you have seen these thigs before... but I love em.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/043004-linear-pot.jpg

It works by push-pull. Pull it out for more resistance. Push it in for less... it travels 4 inches in and out. So, imagine this chrome knob sticking out of the front of my system... when I want to go to warp-nine, I push the knob IN. Keep going... keep going... full power! Sorta like a throttle knob. Now, I just need to find the knob to chrome. A small... metal goat head would be perfect. Anyone know where I can find one? =p

Anyway, yeah. That's it for now. My migraines have been better... my teeth are now in 'workable' condition and so I have less stress than before. The big update might even be tonight, depending on how quickly I can bend/paint/light the sides.

Stay tuned!

[Tnick24]

ahhhhh awsome! ive been waiting. Glad to hear your doing better health wise.

[Fast420A]

Good job making the bender! Looks like it's doing everything fine. Can't wait to see the finished work.

[vonkaar]

Howdy howdy.

I guess I could make you wait for the remainder of the LEDs to arrive... but...

Here you go - Another 'mini' update. One of these days, I'll actually get around to writing a 'real' update. So far, it has been a bunch of so called 'mini' updates and then the initial introduction. Or... maybe I should stop calling them mini, so when a 'real' update occurs, you'll be blown away? Shrug... rambling... oh yeah.

Anyway, the sides. This bit should help to illustrate one point that hasn't been made very "clear" yet: This is going to be a WHITE case. With all the plexi and chrome that you've seen, there hasn't been much talk about the actual exterior of the design. The plan is to put the focus on the white exterior. A beautiful glossy white that's made even more glossy by a quarter-inch (that's 4 kilometers for you Euros. My math is perfect, don't question me) plexi 'coating'. The emphasis is on 'glossy white'. I want it to have a beautiful 'professional' case exterior in the day... and then totally surprise you at night.

One of the most exploited features of transparent plastic is the ability to 'bend' light. You see this all the time... shine an LED in the edge of a plexi-glass panel and watch the rest of the edges carry that light. You hardly ever see anyone make use of the light that travels across the surface of the plastic. It's all in the edges! The only time people DO make use of this light is with etching. This tends to look absolutely fantastic, but it's hardly original anymore. This doesn't mean that I've not been impressed by some of the more modern etching jobs lately... it's just kinda hard to stand out with a glowing RADIOACTIVE BEWARE symbol etched into your chieftec window. Bleh... I can't make any ethcing comments without sounding like a prick. I *do* like a lot of the etched windows. There. Moving on...

The *point* was... light travels across the surface of the plastic and nobody makes much use of it.

SO... I have a white case. Why white? Versatility. If you follow along in my grand scheme... you'll see what I mean.

White can 'be' any color you want. Simply change the lighting, and you see a totally different color. If I have a white case that's sitting in a room with bright red lights, the case looks red. Now back to the transparent-plastic 'light-wasting' bit I talked about 3 hours ago (if you are a really slow reader, I mean). If you go back to page one, you'll see that one of my primary goals was to provide ample lighting, without ever 'seeing' the source of the light. I want a nice, comfortable 'glow'. Sort of like an art gallery... indirect lighting, but plenty of it. You'll see a lot more of what I have planned in the coming months... but this single side panel will give you a fairly good idea.

Wasted-light... white case... hidden light-sources... you get those three concepts.

We've seen the hundreds of examples of light bending around corners through the plexi. This is how I'm using that in my case:

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-bend-path.jpg

The white paint will 'hide' the LEDs that shine directly into the edges of the plexi. The light will carry over and shine a VERY subtle hue over the surface of the paint. If all four sides of a panel are bent like this, and ample LEDs are placed within the edge, you can transform a normally 'white' case into any color you want. This is especially true with 3-color LEDs or utilizing an RGB circuit. Imagine a case that looks white when it's in 'business' mode but flashes through all the colors of the rainbow when in 'party' mode.

Case in point:

The side during the 'day'...

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-sides-light1.jpg

And at 'night'.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-sides-dark1.jpg

Keep in mind that the white has only received a single coat and there is VERY little lighting here. When my LEDs arrive from Hong Kong, the long-sides will have 6 LEDs and the short sides will have 4. This should balance out quite nicely =p.

[vonkaar]

But wait! There's more! The paint is applied on the far side of the plexi. This panel will be the 'back' panel of the case... the panel that backs up to the rear of the motherboard. The 'main' panel will be a bit different... ie, not a solid block of white. For you stencil'ers out there... how about a Unreal Tournament symbol right in the middle, unpainted to allow for a custom 'window' in a transparent case? Even better... etching. I don't have the skill to do this... but... you could make full etches appear out of nowhere. The reason etches are visible during the 'day' in a standard window is their 'white' coloring. Etch into plastic and the plastic turns white. Now, what if you etched your kick-ass design... and then painted over the whole thing. Ack! Ruined your etch? Ah hah! Now shine a light in the edge of the plexi... it glows just as it should. Except... this time... nobody saw the etch until you flipped the switch. How cool is that?

Anyway... enough about what I'm not doing...

I'll talk a bit about what I did to get this panel like this.

First...

Measure once, cut thrice... or... er... measure thr... cut fries... er...

Call up a professional plastic manufacturer and give THEM the measurements. The cost of a 29" piece of plexi with the corners lobbed off was about $4 more than the plexi would have been by itself. Fun!

You can see the 'before' and after pic here:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-sides-both.jpg

The 'front' panel is going to be 'dun did' this week. This is assuming that the LED people in Hong Kong can get me my LEDs soon'ish. These are special, super bright 3mm LEDs btw... in case you were wondering why I didn't drive down to Mouser (conveniently located 12 miles away... that's 100 centimeters for you... hmm joke has died... moving on) to grab some LEDs locally. Besides the super super super bright 3mms that have a 100-hour lifespan, these are the best I can get.

As you can see, the corners were chopped off at 45°. This allows you to bend the plastic in and have the sides meet. If you are smarter than me, (you probably created the universe) you'll give yourself more than a 1.5-inch flap. This was a bear to bend (bears aren't flexible, marsupials are) and I got one really nasty bend due to the small flaps:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-corner.jpg

All of the other ones met up quite nicely. Oh... another tip for any future plagiarists... drill your LED holes first.

To get the bend, I had to REALLY soften up the plastic. This means that it sat on the bender for a lot longer than normal. Acryllic fumes RULE. Even when the plastic was rubbery, it still sucked for this tight turn. This is what it looked like when I was bending... the arrows are there to express the high I was feeling from the acryllic fumes. Curiously, they also point out the bend structure.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-bending.jpg

Hmmm... what else...

Here is a nice shot that shows how glossy the plastic is and how precise the paint job was.
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/050504-side-closeup.jpg

OH YEAH... a big tip.. straight from my plastic people: Acryllic fingerprints like mad. So, don't murder with ... I mean, expect to constantly worry about wiping grubby fingerprints off your case... UNLESS you glaze it first. A bottle that will cover 10 of my cases was only $4.50. Glazing must be done immediately after pulling the protective sheets off plastic. It's easy.. sorta like furniture polish, except it doesn't smell like an old person. You spray it... and wipe off... repeat until it feels silky smooth. Sort of like Nair. Boom... fingerprint free. NOW, it fingerprints and 'marrs' slightly better than glass. Yay!

And of course, I end with a hollow promise of... "More to come!"

[Captain Slug]

Originally posted by vonkaar
Acryllic fumes RULE. Even when the plastic was rubbery, it still sucked for this tight turn. This is what it looked like when I was bending... the arrows are there to express the high I was feeling from the acryllic fumes. Curiously, they also point out the bend structure.
You NEED to wear a filter mask and work in a ventilated area. Plastic fumes are toxic and DO cause damage to your brain and lungs if exposure is prolonged. If you were working with cheaper stuff you'd have the nastiest headache in the world after a few minutes...

[vonkaar]

Shrug... it was *mostly* a joke =p. Most of my updates contain at least a shred of humor.

Yaya... ventilation is awesome. I wear a hockey mask to help with the fumes, and... to keep THEM from finding me.

[Tnick24]

ahah your updates keep me laughing. Still can't wait to see the finished project!

[OCMunkee]

[Nathan's_annoying_post]

I think vonkaar needs to be stalked.. or something..
so that we can get some results before I die..
J/K seriously cool looking so far! I can't wait to see the finished product :p
Now, if only I had some money/time/tools/etc then I could make a purdy case myself. But alas, I do not, and I shall have to wait to make mine..
But when I do.. dun dun dunnnn.. WATCH THIS SPACE.... not that you can watch a space, I mean.. it's empty.. and, its hard to watch empty things...
Yes, I realise I'm not funny..

Seriously great work, keep it up vonkaar!

[/Nathan's_annoying_post]

[Orange Fire.]

Cool Cool cool.. so how's the project comming bra.. Got any update's for us so far? Just shoot a few pics and post them up.
-Orange Fire.

[vonkaar]

Howdy howdy...

Update cometh. I've decided to shoot for the QuakeCon for my target 'finish' date... although I'd like to have it completed long before that. We'll see! That will be my first LAN party ever. I hear it's got a few people, no?

Anyway...

Some of the more devoted from among my legions of fans have been pestering me for some kind of explanation as to the component logistics. Apparently, I haven't been clear enough... which in itself seems quite odd - my writing style is pristine, but hey... you can't please them all. Actually, I can please them all, but MOST people can't... So, in an effort to accurately illustrate my divine plan, I threw together a motley of components for this once-in-a-lifetime photoshoot.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/051904-plan-legend.jpg

Here you have a very basic picture of The Way It Is©. It should be noted that the end result will look slightly more impressive than this... and as a side bonus, it will function (somewhat) as a computer. I'll go in order...

1. This is the location where the TEC chiller lives. When it was operational (sometime last October), I was able to bring my coolant down to -11°. If I went past this, the universe would be destroyed. Am I not merciful? This was without a source of heat, using a miniature pump and a whole lot of love. Straight water (hetero water) freezes VERY quickly... it's a lot of fun. The only downside to it's location is the amount of heat that it dumps into the system. Fortunately, there is an awful lot of airflow. I'm hoping that the chiller will heat up the room I'm in by about 10°. This will surely make me a popular person at LAN parties.

2. This is where my pumps and most of the plumbing will go. You might notice a small (92mm) fan grill behind the pump... it also looks sort of like the throne room from Return of the Jedi. The combination throne room / pump ventilation area will ensure quiet, leak free operation.

3. The dual radiator setup. This is sitting on top a piece of plexi... it *so* will not look like this. This piece is currently at the plastic shop. The most detailed bending and shaping will be on the shroud. The whole top panel will be two pieces... if I measured correctly. This is the most visible area... so... it has to look perfect. I'm guessing that this will take up more time than any other piece, besides the thermometer... I think... anyway... yeah... a pair of single-pass rads... high-flow, lots of surface area, plenty of airflow... fun.

4. The big blower. This is an old picture. You can see the motor braces are chromed, but that's the only thing done 'at that time'. The fan looks VERY different now... which... is actually going to be the very last thing ya'll see. The meaning behind the name of this project will be discovered at that time. It will be sitting off center... well... actually, the 'center' of the outlet will line up directly in the center of the case, but the blower itself will 'look' off center. Very 'muscle car' appearance. Big, beefy engine popping out of the hood... that's the goal.

5. This power supply isn't chromed... it's just a shiny supply that was nearby when I took the pic. Not much to say here... you won't see any cables... I guess that's it. It's a power supply. Whoopee.

6. You can somewhat see the back of the sides in the pic. This was taken a while ago... so the sides are still 'under construction'... but... there it is. Another side will be up front... the chrome skeleton will be tastefully visible but the majority of the case will remain white. Fun.

7. The Lambda regulated power supply was in the pic... I kept it there for size comparisons. There are a pair of these... 480 watts each. The chiller loop is seperate from the standard water-cooling circuit. The chiller power conduits will have an external port and switch. As a result, I will decide if I want to bring the power-supply setup with me if and when I travel. They are heavy... this computer will be heavy as hell... so... more than likely, the chiller will be non-operational while I'm away. Bleh... there goes my hopes for gaining popularity with my mobile heating unit 8(.

8. This is the area where the actual PC will go. In comparison to the rest of the computer, it seems rather small. This is a big illusion that I've created with the use of magic. The focus of the system will be on the cooling... not the motherboard. So... yeah... video card... motherboard... microwave oven... boring PC stuff.

9. The bottom of the case has about 1" of clearance from the floor. There will be another plexi layer down there (the sides are about 2" taller than the skeleton... you'll see what I mean. This will be a great place to hide most of my electronics... wiring... stuff like that.

10. I have no idea how to remove this stain from the carpet. It must have some sort of mystical properties to it... I've tried everything... blood... red wine... sulfuric acid... you know, typical carpet-cleaning solvents. It looks sort of innocent in the picture but this thing is *quite* menacing. Help?

The 'next' update will be done soon... The left side of the case is next... followed by the mounting bolts... and then the front. The radiators are still at the chrome guys... the front is almost finished at the plastic people... the shroud just got started... blahblah.

Oh... here's a fun thing. LEDs. Back when I took the pictures of the side all lit up with a massive FIVE LEDs, I was using a few LEDs that I picked up from Fry's. I wanted to see them... didn't want to wait on my order to arrive from Hong Kong... so I freaking spent $3.99 a PIECE on these lame-ass dim pieces of crap. In the pic, the side lights up decent enough... I was happy when I saw it... I guess I assumed that the blue LEDs from a retail store were going to be just as good as the ones in the mail... you know... $15 for a 100-pack. Thanks Ebay. (the seller was awesome... if anyone wants the name, I'll share... quite the bargain, no?)

Well... anyway... when the envelope arrived with my little lights... I had to test them out. Holy freaking hell they were soooo much brighter than my previously tested ones. Behold!

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/051904-led-comparison-day.jpg
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/051904-led-comparison-night.jpg

Now... the picture of the sides was taken using 5 of the 'dim' LEDs. Imagine what it will look like with 20 of the BRIGHT ones installed. Yay! Happy day!

They are *quite* bright... this little array lit up my whole room, which is about as big as Germany.

http://www.euphoriaguild.com/oc/051904-led-array.jpg

yeah... so... more stuff coming. I hope this update gives you an idea of the cooling system... the location of components... and how amazing I am. The next update shouldn't be too far away.

[Cerberus2k7]

:drool: big...blower...==...power!!!

Nice :D keep up the good work!

And what's that big black and red can for at the top? You didn't label that one. :p

j/k

[Tnick24]

^^^^^It looks like an XL dust off can to me....


Still watching this thread close. Waiting for the next update.

[AlucardCasull]

OH **** GOAT I JUST PUT IT TOGETHER, my friend has a goat, omg i cant WAIT!!!!

[thorilan]

looking good. have you tried out the blower on your radds yet and felt the other side to see how much airflow actualy penetrates the double stacked rads yet?

[daniel_dynasty]

Originally posted by AlucardCasull
OH **** GOAT I JUST PUT IT TOGETHER, my friend has a goat, omg i cant WAIT!!!!

goat? your frend has a real live goat? wow lmao jk jk.
hmm GOAT sounds like an acronym
Glossy
Overclocked
Awesome
T??????????

[AlucardCasull]

Originally posted by daniel_dynasty


goat? your frend has a real live goat? wow lmao jk jk.
hmm GOAT sounds like an acronym
Glossy
Overclocked
Awesome
T??????????

If its what im thinking, then its no acronym, i dont want to say anymore, dont wanna get in trouble :D

[daniel_dynasty]

lol did i expose sumthin? omg if i did i can edit it out lol

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by thorilan
looking good. have you tried out the blower on your radds yet and felt the other side to see how much airflow actualy penetrates the double stacked rads yet?

Of course =p. I built a mock cardboard shroud months ago... the air is *definitely* restricted... but it gets through just fine... I'd say at least 200cfm.

[daniel_dynasty]

i guess i got it wrong.. :sad:

[Orange Fire.]

Whowah Dude! killer blower man.. dang, that thing is huge! Never seen anything that big before. I bet that thing is going to stay supper cool!

-Orange Fire.

[Tnick24]

how loud is that blower?

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by Tnick24
how loud is that blower?

It's very quiet. The amount of air it moves compared to the noise it creates is amazing. It's almost... spooky. Like, perpetual motion or something... you sit there holding this whriling box that's blowing hairs off your head and ... where is all the noise? There is NO high pitched whining that you get from so many axial fans... it's just the rush of the air.

Not bad for $10, no?

Daniel, all will be explained with the final product =p.

[Orange Fire.]

Dude where did you buy that puppy? Blower is great cant say it enough.

-Orange Fire.

[vonkaar]

Ebay... do a search on "EBM Dual Inlet" there is one guy that sells them quite inexpensively... like... $9.99 opening bid or $15 buy-it-now. Bargain!

However... you *should* be aware that it is 48vdc and requires about 130w. You won't be getting that to run off a pansy PC power supply. This is the reason I've been importing so much Plutonium from Korea. I can say no more.

[Orange Fire.]

Oh yeah very cool, i just wounderd how much something like that would cost. Thanx though. I have a KingWin Divine Power Series 450 Watts so i think if i would get one it would run alright. No pannzy PSU UNIT here...

-Orange Fire.

[Gmork Balthazar]

Very nice carpet stain.....a burito maybe?

[TheGhengisKhan]

Originally posted by Gmork Balthazar
Very nice carpet stain.....a burito maybe?

looks like a water-spill stain, just like the 4 or 5 I can look down and see right now ;)

[feyd83]

The motor for that blower is mounted extremely well too, go German engineering :D. I picked mine up running at full speed and you can't feel any vibrations, I was very impressed with it. It's a really awesome buy.

[vonkaar]

Yeah... I mean, when you are moving that much air... the air alone WILL make noise... so, don't expect these things to be whisper silent. However, it is the AIR that's making the noise... this huge rush of wind... whooooosh... but, like feyd83 said, no 'electronic' noises... motor whirrings, bearings rattling... nothing.

[UberBlue]

/Blatant Thread jack

http://premium.uploadit.org/UberBlue/051904-plan-legend.jpg

[daniel_dynasty]

case is lookin messy already lol. better tidy it up after everthin is installed

[extremecorvette]

This is one long post. It took me two days to read it all. I need to see more pictures. When do you think your going to be done with it? I’m planning on starting my new project next week. I like working with acrylic. I use Cadillac plastics acrylic adhesive SC-125 you might try it out, works great. When I was in high school I made aquariums out of ½” or ¾” acrylic. My friends then had me making them custom sub boxes to fit there cars out of ¾” to 1 ¼”.

I’m trying to find a full tower with the room I want and look great. I started this post: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=298770

I was thinking of going with a Lian Li PC V-2000 case but for that much I can make one out of acrylic and cost less. I don’t know if I would like the look of a all acrylic case. What brand of case did you go with?

I forgot to ask are you water-cooling your Tec’s. If so what gains are you linking you might get over the Benders air cooled set up? Looking at water-cooling them also but I don’t want to get the water to the point that I’m going to have condensation in the case. I know Bender says he runs at 14C with two 2.4 GHz CPU both being cooled by his air cooled setup. Those heater cores are going to heat your room up.

[feyd83]

Updates anytime soon?

[CheeZeTM]

Do you have any idea on howmuck amperage this unit will pull? i have a cupple peltire's and i know that the suck up A LOT of power, be carefull on wireing, one simple polarity mistake and you will be sending hot water around your processor(s) and GPU

Jamie

[feyd83]

If you're talking about the blower, it's about 3.2 I believe. Don't feel like doing the math, but it's 132W at 48V? I've got one and I've got some big ol' aluminum housed resistors hooked up to my power supply to down the voltage. Nothing fancy like Vonkaar has. :p

[CheeZeTM]

Not the blower, the peltier cooling system. my blower i had on my wooden PC case i built pluged into 120Vac, if you can give me a mesurement of the peltier (as in 50mmx50mm 40mm by 40mm etc etc) i can figure it our quickly, the 50mm i has draws about 130w and the 40mm i have draws about 90w but there is new high performance ones 50mm @ 320W here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4660&item=3826122787&rd=1 62mm 350W one here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4660&item=3826122787&rd=1
What was the cooling unit originally on?

[Cyrix_2k]

Updates????

That peltier you linked to would make the power bill go up like $50 a month...

[UberBlue]

vonkaar is dead.



No... Really...





He showed up at my door dressed in his Girl Scout uniform hocking his cookies. He's soaking in a vat of chocolate pudding as we speak.

[KierenRei]

WOW. Not much more I can say past the drool (and my braces-1 more month to go).

I am just building my first comp and now I already feel like doing something stup...cool...uhh...well, you know.

I am in Dallas too so if you need to leave your computer at my house for uh...some "protection" please feel free to. Might even see your computer at a LAN...

[k3nshin]

WOW. Not much more I can say past the drool (and my braces-1 more month to go).

I am just building my first comp and now I already feel like doing something stup...cool...uhh...well, you know.

I am in Dallas too so if you need to leave your computer at my house for uh...some "protection" please feel free to. Might even see your computer at a LAN...

that is if he ever finishes it!

[Nightingale]

I would like to get one of those blowers but how much for the 48v controller unit? I think something big and industrial such as that blower would git my case wonderfully.

[Frost Byte]

Man, I have the same case you are using....I might have to do something like that....I hate having all that extra room...i better fill it up.

[Steven4563]

Wow :drool: nice idea man and s*** that blower is a killer :eek:

[vonkaar]

Hi.

[feyd83]

Any progress?

[Mortis03]

Hi.


Hey

[arabarabian]

If someone already posted this, I did not see it, but why is it called the "Chrome Goat"? I have goats but they sure do not look like that.

[vonkaar]

I took the past few months 'off'. Work has continued. It's obviously too late to have it ready for Quake-Con, but... should be soon'ish.

The 'goat' part will be revealed eventually.

[NicePants42]

Goat = Jerry Rice

Surprised this has gone on for so long.

[Syx]

hurry hurry hurry

[Cyrix_2k]

SLACKER!!!

At least post some new pics.

[Cyberwiz01]

seems like this thread has been 2 or 3 pages of modding and about 5 pages of people saying "where are you vonkaar?", "Slacker" and "more pics!"

[vonkaar]

My posts are like cheese, balsamic vineger and a fine wine all put together. Smelly and venerable - awaiting proper vintage for appropriate enjoyment.

Also, screw off, I'm taking my time to build drama =p.

[k3nshin]

yeh would anybody like some of vonkaar's cheese to go with their whine?

[em00guy]

any one found another place to get those blowers except ebay

[SniperXX]

yeh would anybody like some of vonkaar's cheese to go with their whine?


HAHAHA ROFL!

I too think this mod will be completely cool once done.

[feyd83]

any one found another place to get those blowers except ebay

y? they're freaky cheap @ $10, the psu is what is going to cost you. Mine cost me around 100 or 150.

[vonkaar]

There is a seller on Ebay that has them for $10 ($15buy-it-now). Do a search for 'EBM Dual'. That should get it.

To everyone else...

The reason that this has taken so long (this past weekend WAS my original deadline) is fairly simple - divorce sucks. I've had an amazing amount of stress throughout the Summer, and I basically stopped working on this for about 4-5 months. Well, everything is better now (besides getting my wallet pick-pocketed with $850 in it while at Fry's) and I've been working like a madman on it.

The other problem is my apparent A.D.D. I have had a hard time focusing on a single aspect of the system... one week I'm trying to figure out the Nixie thermometer... next week, I'm playing Doom3 and wetting my pants. Later, I'm bending plastic for the MB tray... it was pretty bad for a while. NOW, I'm focused on one part at a time. Thermometer is pushed aside... all focus is on the top panel which includes the Radiators, shrouds, piping for the mass of tubing and then the bracing system for the blower. At the same time, I'm trying to hide the lighting, provide power junctions, keep all of the wires hidden... it's crazy up there.

The planning for each plastic cut is fairly extensive... I seriously have to build 2 or 3 mockups for each panel. The top and front panels are especially detailed. I finished the cardboard prototype for the top panel and the plastic-people (they look like LEGO men!!!) are cutting it tomorrow. The front panel is last... and holy crap, that sucked to prototype.

Anyway... big update, probably within the next 2 weeks. I'll take teaser photos of the cardboard panels if anyone cares. Thanks for being patient with me =p. Wait, you haven't been patient. SCREW YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!

just kidding, I love each and every one of you.

[upstreamcurrent]

Hey, Sorry to hear about your divorce and pick-pocketing. I can't stand thiefs, but that's beside the point. I just wanted to commend your work on this project. This will be an amazing case when it's finished. Keep up the good work, don't rush anything. Ignore the flamers and have fun with this project.

Oh, and I'd love to see any kind of pictures you want to post.

[MuEagle05]

That's why I never carry more than $5 on me. Yay plastic

[vonkaar]

I'm not responsible enough to carry credit cards. I cashed a check... I intended to walk into Fry's and walk out with a new 6800GT (and whatever else I deemed 'needed'). They were sold out of the 6800s, so I left with Doom3. No wallet. The whole situation sucks. I hope that the thief blisters in HELL!!!!!!!!!

[BatousaiRyu]

I'm not responsible enough to carry credit cards. I cashed a check... I intended to walk into Fry's and walk out with a new 6800GT (and whatever else I deemed 'needed'). They were sold out of the 6800s, so I left with Doom3. No wallet. The whole situation sucks. I hope that the thief blisters in HELL!!!!!!!!!

wewt for wishing burning hell upon others! lets also put a nice big chrome mirror in theyr face so theyll be eternally and painfully blinded ^_^.

nehow i love the chrome job dude. i atleast know wer to go if i need like a front panel chromed*of course ull get paid, but hey connections r connections :P* cant wait for teasers and such... urs is one of the best projects currently active on ocforums :D

[wfarid]

dang great job so far bro... all u need now is to build a nuclear reactor to power ur pc and ur set!

[em00guy]

y? they're freaky cheap @ $10, the psu is what is going to cost you. Mine cost me around 100 or 150.

Iknow about the ebay guy. It's just that he only pasts one at a time. Oh and $150 !!! for a 48v psu. I'll just build one

[Radical]

Looking great so far, that's one huge radiator and blower. Keep up the good work and take some more pictures!

[em00guy]

hey von how are you powering that blower

[vonkaar]

I have a power-one 48VDC (4a) PSU. I'm also using a pulse-width-modulation controller that's rated up to 25a at 50v =p. It's great. This allows me to run the fan at a full 48 volts, but control the speed down to a whisper-quiet level. Happy blower, happy cooling. I'll take more pictures tonight.

I could look for some cheap 48v power supplies on Ebay if ya'll need... they aren't too hard to find if you know what to look for. I paid $18 for mine (although, it weighs a brick so shipping was a few hundred-thousand-million dollars).

[em00guy]

I have a power-one 48VDC (4a) PSU. I'm also using a pulse-width-modulation controller that's rated up to 25a at 50v =p. It's great. This allows me to run the fan at a full 48 volts, but control the speed down to a whisper-quiet level. Happy blower, happy cooling. I'll take more pictures tonight.

I could look for some cheap 48v power supplies on Ebay if ya'll need... they aren't too hard to find if you know what to look for. I paid $18 for mine (although, it weighs a brick so shipping was a few hundred-thousand-million dollars).

if you could find a good psu for me that would be excellent. I'm going to run 2 blowers on 2 rads

[vonkaar]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32720&item=3833208690&rd=1

Potentially GREAT deal... could run both blowers easily...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32720&item=3833593778&rd=1

Another unit that could run both blowers... inexpensive buy-it-now price too!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11772&item=3833401402&rd=1

[em00guy]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32720&item=3833208690&rd=1

Potentially GREAT deal... could run both blowers easily...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32720&item=3833593778&rd=1

Another unit that could run both blowers... inexpensive buy-it-now price too!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11772&item=3833401402&rd=1

Thesecond psu is perfect. iIt even has 2 outputs. Now i need a PWM controller. I may be able to build this one. Thanks alot von. my rig is gonna be ice cold.

[feyd83]

I have a power-one 48VDC (4a) PSU. I'm also using a pulse-width-modulation controller that's rated up to 25a at 50v =p. It's great. This allows me to run the fan at a full 48 volts, but control the speed down to a whisper-quiet level. Happy blower, happy cooling. I'll take more pictures tonight.

I could look for some cheap 48v power supplies on Ebay if ya'll need... they aren't too hard to find if you know what to look for. I paid $18 for mine (although, it weighs a brick so shipping was a few hundred-thousand-million dollars).

My first 48v psu was the same way, it cost me $10, but shipping was like 40. Got sick of the size and weight so I got Vicor Flatpac. Small and light, but expensive.

You can always go for aluminum housed resistors instead of a PWM.

[vonkaar]

That's a hella lot of heat to remove... those resistors would be fat as hell too.

[em00guy]

My first 48v psu was the same way, it cost me $10, but shipping was like 40. Got sick of the size and weight so I got Vicor Flatpac. Small and light, but expensive.

You can always go for aluminum housed resistors instead of a PWM.

those would be some large resistors. And resistors would only allow finite steps in voltage. I was thinking of a pwm or a really powerful adjustable voltage regulator. The only problem is i can't find a regulator that wil do 48 volts at 3 amps

[feyd83]

That's a hella lot of heat to remove... those resistors would be fat as hell too.

They're not that bad, just a little smaller than my thumb. They can handle like 4 or 5A apiece. They do get freaky hot though, even with the blower blasting on them. A PWM would be much preferable, but this is just an alternative. Go Mouser :p

[em00guy]

They're not that bad, just a little smaller than my thumb. They can handle like 4 or 5A apiece. They do get freaky hot though, even with the blower blasting on them. A PWM would be much preferable, but this is just an alternative. Go Mouser :p

Jesus man i just noticed your running your cpu @ 2.05v. Do you have your pc on all the time? Is your 2-342 cooled with that ebm blower?

[feyd83]

It's not on all the time, my cpu sucks. Switching from an L30 and a dual 80mm rad with 4 L1A's on it to my current setup lowered my temps by a whole 10C w/ the blower. I'm running at atleast 40C idle, still haven't had a chance to try a burn in yet. To busy with work and girlfriend :D I think my iwaki is dumping waaayyy too much heat into the system, gonna try to move the iwaki bf the HC and see what that does. (Sry, don't mean to thread steal :P)

[vonkaar]

THREAD THIEF!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!

Sorry, no pictures last night... went to bed early - olympics keep me up too late.

[em00guy]

sorry vonkaar but if you don't post pics folks are liable to steal this thread right from under you. Spend all your time watching the olympics and before you know it this thread will be about vegimite and dingo eggs.

[Alice]

Wow! Is this thing really not done yet? I have to admit that I didn't read it until now, but that was mainly due to my disliking of goats. I like what you've done to it, but I want to see it finished!

[upstreamcurrent]

Wow! Is this thing really not done yet? I have to admit that I didn't read it until now, but that was mainly due to my disliking of goats. I like what you've done to it, but I want to see it finished!

I know what you mean about those goats, I hate those things. Unless we're talking about the kind of goats that I hope this project is based on. It's the only kind that makes a lick of sense. The GTO.

[Tekko]

whoa not that's what I call a piece of art...

[w00p]

sorry vonkaar but if you don't post pics folks are liable to steal this thread right from under you. Spend all your time watching the olympics and before you know it this thread will be about vegimite and dingo eggs.
Actually, no.
He started this thread to tell about his mod and maybe ask for feedback, if he doesn't post pics and stays up late watching the olympics, the thread goes down the list untill he has an update, not untill some random people who have nothing to do with it want to discuss vegimite and dingo eggs.
If you like vegimite and dingo eggs, start your own thread.

I urge anyone to either stop complaining, or do your own thing in the meantime.
The day vonkaar wishes to update the thread, he'll find it himself, no need to keep it running warm.

Also, as a last note, I believe he was joking, and though you meant no offense, I simply couldn't let that argument stand uncommented...

[vonkaar]

Why You Probably Hate Vegemite and Why You Shouldn't (Op-Ed)
By: Talez

Vegemite to Australians is much like Peanut Butter to Americans. We think of it as a rather delicious snack on toast, buttered bread or even in a sandwich. Up until now, I never understood why Americans hated vegemite and I'll try to address that with why you should try to enjoy vegemite and how to enjoy vegemite!

Firstly, the question I get asked most about vegemite is "What is the damn stuff?". Vegemite was originally an extract of yeast used in the brewing process. This yeast extract was then blended with celery, onions and salt to make a thick dark paste which, to many people, is quite delicious. These days, while the yeast extract component has remained, the celery and onions have been replaced by malt and vegetable extracts. However, most people will agree that it is just as delicious as the first batches released in 1923.

Why should you eat vegemite? Because, despite the huge salt content, its quite healthy for you. A piece of bread with vegemite lightly spread over it can give you almost a quater of your daily niacin requirement. Lots of body parts can benefit from the unique mix of vitamins found in vegemite and here is a quick summary:

The Cells

The billions of cells in your body each need thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, pantothenic acid, folacin, and vitamin B6 every day to keep healthy. Vegemite includes all of these and will often provide a good percentage of your daily requirement from one slice of bread with vegemite spread thinly over it.

The Nerves

The nerve cells in the body need large amounts of thiamin and vitamns B1 and B6. Where can you get such a large amount of B group vitamins? From the richest known source of Vitamin B in the world, Vegemite!

The Skin

Skin requires many different vitamins to stay healthy. The ones you can find in vegemite include riboflavin, niacin, biotin, and vitamin B6. The body can get as much as a third of your daily riboflavin intake from one slice of vegemite!

The Eyes

The riboflavin in vegemite will help to keep your eyes nice and bright and sparkling.

The Digestive Process

Thiamin, riboflavin, and niacin are all vitamins needed for digestion and vegemite contains all of these vitamins in the one convenient paste!

So you know why vegemite is good for you. The problem is, I bet you've tried vegemite and you hated it. Well, here's a piece of advice: IT'S NOT PEANUT BUTTER! SPREAD IT THINLY!

This stuff is extremely salty and you guys take big huge gunks of it and put it all over your bread. Vegemite is an aquired taste so start small. 5g of the stuff (1/5 oz) is more than enough to cover bread with just the right consistency and the salty flavour wont be that strong.

Idealy you should be able to see the butter underneath the vegemite. Once you get used to the taste you can try adding more vegemite to get the stronger flavour. One other thing, don't try to eat it out of the jar with a spoon! Even seasoned vegemite eaters have trouble with the stuff eating it raw in huge amounts.

If you must eat vegemite raw, try using your index finger to scrape the stuff from underneath the inner top of the jar. The knife always seems to miss that part of the jar and you won't get enough on you finger to make it taste too salty.

So what are you waiting for? Go get a jar of vegemite and try it properly! Who knows, you might learn to like it too! After all, 15 million happy vegemite addicts can't be wrong ;)

Dingo Eggs are like the Easter Bunny and Eskimos - myths. No room for discussion!

My updates aren't really made by my 'want' for them... I would love to update every day. Right now, I'm waiting on the plastic LEGO-people to finish my acrylic top and front. Although... in 2 months, this project will be a year old... I hope to have it finished by then =p. When I have the top, I'll actually have most of the system completed, nothing but the 'easy' things left. Tidying the wires, hiding the lighting, sacrificing the cat... you know, the easy stuff.

[threeputt]

Chrome the cat before sacrificing... for total chrome effect:)

[em00guy]

It's cool Von, Take your time don't mind me i'm just spaming to get my post count up. BTW. Where did you learn to bend acrylic. Is it easy?

[Tero]

Nice mod and all but why not just build a case out of scratch if you're going to all this trouble anyway? I'm sure it would probably look more uniform than modding an existing case by tearing it apart and putting it back together with new parts. In fact i never see people build thier own cases except for those rare instances when people make wooden ones. Strange thought why not build your own to suit your needs if you have the skills to mod the hell out of one. Oh and i like that you stuck with TECs despite thier inefficency most people wouldn't have, like me :x, but i respect the decision can't wait to see what you get.

[upstreamcurrent]

I don't think he stuck with the TECs. If I remember correctly, he was getting the same temps from the TEC chiller as he was from the heatercores and that big freaking blower. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.

[vonkaar]

Chrome the cat before sacrificing... for total chrome effect:)
Alright, no problem ^_^.

It's cool Von, Take your time don't mind me i'm just spaming to get my post count up. BTW. Where did you learn to bend acrylic. Is it easy?
I saw someone with a kick ass 'professional' sheet bender at a sign shop use it. I looked into this process, found a few dealers that offered heating strips... on the back of the packaging there are 'construction ideas'. And then I discovered cold fusion. Long story short, the acrylic is easy to bend if it is thin enough and you are folding large portions. Folding one inch over is a freaking BEAR.

Nice mod and all but why not just build a case out of scratch if you're going to all this trouble anyway? I'm sure it would probably look more uniform than modding an existing case by tearing it apart and putting it back together with new parts. In fact i never see people build thier own cases except for those rare instances when people make wooden ones. Strange thought why not build your own to suit your needs if you have the skills to mod the hell out of one. Oh and i like that you stuck with TECs despite thier inefficency most people wouldn't have, like me :x, but i respect the decision can't wait to see what you get.

Well, for the most part, I *do* think that I'm building my case from scratch. The ONLY thing that I'm using from another system is the metal support structure. Aaand, the only portion of this skeleton that will retain its previous function is the power-supply holes. None of the mounting will be used... the motherboard tray is new... the HDD mounts are gone...

Now the sad bit... I'm actually not going to use the TECs in the manner described. Looooong story... after 6-7 weeks of testing, I eventually had the tecs running at a completely seperate loop... and then they were simply cooling the NB/GPU loop, which is great and all, but pretty freaking ineffecient with the current blocks and heat-load. Maybe if I go with a 6800 (which is what I went into Fry's to buy... freaking thiefs) or something similar, I'd go back to that. For now, the chiller is 'off'. It will still see use in the project, but the dual heater cores will remain the 'primary' means of cooling.

I don't think he stuck with the TECs. If I remember correctly, he was getting the same temps from the TEC chiller as he was from the heatercores and that big freaking blower. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.

Sort of... it was a pretty long and drawn out story. Short version: I was able to obtain a higher overclock with the HCs than with the chiller.

[AlexV2024]

well vonkaar when your in the hell part of doom3 you will be able to find the thief and blast him to your hearts content, since hes "immortal" tourture will be east ;) the project is looking great!

Can you give one reason why you get a better oc with the HC and not TECs? Is it bc the room wasnt 100deg F with the chiller?

~Alex

[vonkaar]

excuse my tyyping, two borken arms
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/stuff/xray1.jpg
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/stuff/xray2.jpg
long story sohrt, BAD rollerblading crash due to someon jumpng out in front of me

I have a feling taht this project is doomd to never be compeltd.

look at what happennd to my belovd IPOD:
http://www.euphoriaguild.com/stuff/brokenipod.jpg

[feyd83]

Noooooo! Not the Ipod is it okay? Does it still work?

[upstreamcurrent]

hey man, sorry to hear about your accident. that really sucks. get well soon.

[PLOBBY]

o wow that sucks, who cares about te ipod are you ok is the ?

[Aphex_Tom_9]

oh nos! please keep the project going! how long until you heal up?

[vonkaar]

dont know... having to type w one finger, takes forevcer.

basically, two broken arms =p

see phys therapist tomorrow morning, hopfully will be healed in the next 100 yeaars

[madcow235]

Atleast you still have your fingers or something consoling like that. Eh walk it off and finish the mod

[shard]

DRINK MILK MORE OFTEN!! lol

hope you get better!

[kyleboy77]

God.... here.... I will come over and do the rest of the stuff you can just direct.....

[HousERaT]

hey bro.... sorry about the accident.... I was looking forward to seeing this mod complete but at this point I just hope you get better soon. Keep your spirits up :)

[Kitler]

Wow... a divorce, being pick-pockted, Broken ipod, and Two broken arms... wat else can go wrong

[9mmCensor]

Bummer dude, I hope those dents on the ipod are from beating the guy who broke your arms.