Looks like Celeron II 800 is my new chip

[Carmine_Paterno]

I looked at the cpu database, and since it is updated now....the celeron II 800 is here!!! 1 of them did 1 gig @ default voltage, another did it @ 1.85v. Looks like a good chip! I think i should get some good performance out of it maybe 133fsb+. Too expensive tho...I was thinking P3 600 get that baby up on my BF6 (MY BABY) and see what that would do.

Anyone have suggestions? I know about the P3 700....I was thinking about it, but 2 of my friends got 1 and they both only did 933 @ 1.9v. All alpha heatsink/fans. So i am a bit discouraged.

[Tim-]

You don't like to do anything easy, do you Carmine? Get yourself a 700 and be happy- even at 133 it'll still outperform a celermine 800 at 1GHz or damn close. If you get a decent cc0 it will probably go 1GHz plus- the 800 celly is a crapshoot.

If you can afford the few extra bucks, and your MB can handle the PIII, the celermine is not the smart choice. If you had an older and less capable MB or just couldn't swing the extra few $$, then maybe the celly would be ok. It would be the shortsighted solution, nonetheless.

[Mr B]

Tim- (Mar 12, 2001 07:39 p.m.):
You don't like to do anything easy, do you Carmine? Get yourself a 700 and be happy- even at 133 it'll still outperform a celermine 800 at 1GHz or damn close. If you get a decent cc0 it will probably go 1GHz plus- the 800 celly is a crapshoot.

If you can afford the few extra bucks, and your MB can handle the PIII, the celermine is not the smart choice. If you had an older and less capable MB or just couldn't swing the extra few $$, then maybe the celly would be ok. It would be the shortsighted solution, nonetheless.

Tim,

He's got the same mb as you now, the BF6....it'll run the high FSB's.

Carmine,

Again, bear in mind that the intel Celeron 800E is nothing more than a rebadged 533a. Not all (nay, very few) of these chips are gonna hit 1 GHz at default, and not all P/// 700E's are gonna stop at 933.

The P/// 700E at 933 will certainly be a better chip, as the L2 cache is far better.

You will find more overclocking "success" stories in the database than "failures". If you got a dog of an 800E, would you bother adding it to the database?!?!

Ultimately, "You pays your money, you makes your choice.", but I don't recommend the 800E. Logic dictates choosing the P/// over the Celeron.

Do what you must, but I don't think you will have as much luck with the C II 800E.

How many/what percentage of those Celerons do you really expect will exceed 125 MHz FSB?!?!?

*sigh*

Mr B

[Tim-]

True, the BF6 won't have a problem with high FSBs but the CII 800 surely will. Having a cpu that is operating with the buses seriously overclocked is a mistake, if it can be avoided by choosing the right chip in the first place. Ultimate stability is only achieved when all the cards, are working in harmony, and running them all fast can cause intermittent problems that may only occur under certain circumstances- like when you really need things to be right, but the system freezes in the middle of an important project.

I would be willing to trade stability for a few MHz anyday. I do a lot of critical work on my machines that may involve a lot of man-hours and I don't like running a risk just so that I can say that my machine is faster than the next guys. Many people also don't understand that gaming can be among the most demanding tasks you will ask your machine to perform, so they push the envelope, and end up complaining about it crashing.

A high horsepower engine is a wonderful thing in a fine automobile, but you have to realize that if you run it at 8000+ RPM for it's whole life, you are going to have problems occasionally!

[Lancelot]

The 800 'might' be a remarked 533a, however I'm getting the exact same results with it as posted in the P3-800E CPU database. Celeron 800 has a 100Mhz FSB, remember?! And a 700@133 better? Ha! That's impossible since it would mean 10.5*133=1397Mhz(!) Mine runs very stable at 1048 (8*131) with 1.85Vc and 3.6Vio on a Abit BE6-2 rev1.1 mobo with one stick PC100 Siemens and a stick of Generic PC133 even! However I still get a BSOD about two times a week like this, I know I need an Alpha or something, so I now settled for 1008 (8*126) 1.75Vc 3.5Vio. I bought the 800 cuz the 'older' P3-E's like the 650/700 are very hard to come by here in the Netherlands, and I don't wanna risk ordering something by creditcard from overseas/intercontinental. Anyway I'm very happy with this CPU, and I'm confident she'll get to 131 or even 133 when I get a real cooler on her!!! :D

[Lancelot]

You know what? I put it back up at 131Mhz FSB (1048Mhz) with 1.90Vcore and I'll see what happens during the next week! Here are some results:

[Lancelot]

And the RAM results on i443BX

[Mr B]

Not every person has had the sucess with the 800E as you have, Lancelot.

I still firmly believe yours is the exception rather than the rule.

Very FEW Celerons ever come remotely close to 133 MHz FSB. The point Tim and I ( and others) have tried to make here is that Carmine will more than likely have a greater chance of sucess with the P/// 700E.

Read my post again. I said "(nay, very few)" ever go that fast. I was aware of your prodigious accomplishment with the C II 800E when I phrased it that way. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

Mr B

[Lancelot]

I is sowwy Mr.B! You spelled it out right! Maybe indeed I just got a lucky chip cuz mine runs 125FSB (1Gig) default. I saw one other entry in the database that already needs 1.85Vc to get there. Maybe it's the chip-mobo combination, I dunno. I lapped my heatsink and put some thermal grease under the northbridge 'greenie' this weekend. So maybe that's already enough to make it 100% at 131 and 1.85Vc. Anyway, you didn't step on my toes. It's just that I'm really happy with this chip after I traded my very stubborn CII700 in for it...