View Full Version : celeron 700, overheating even with golden orb....
puppetmasta
03-20-01, 11:51 AM
hey does anyone know why a celeron 700 on a asus cuv4x-e would overheat even if i have a thermaltake golden orb on it? Is it that i need to flash the bios or do i need to set a different bus speed or is my thermal paste too thick or something...my system boots fine and then runs, but if i open like 3-4 applications is freezes cuz the cpu gets to hot....any suggestions??? I even have 224mb of ram and it still overheats....anything info would be appreciated, thx
What are you overclocking it to? What are your Vcore settings?
700 Celly is not that great of an overclocker as it is and the Golden Orb is not that much better than a stock cooler. Some have had relative success with it but lost most of its reputation as an alternative for respectable cooling when overclocking.
Thermal paste only needs to be applied in an EXTREMELY small layer. Nearly transparent. You are only filling spaces that are basically invisible to the human eye. Golden Orbs also have a bad reputation for not being very flat in which case a good lapping is often needed to smooth things out.
puppetmasta
03-20-01, 01:46 PM
Was gonna try and oc to 945 or so, i think my vcore settings are standard about 1.83 or so i think. Or maybe im thinking of something else. If i were to get a "respectable" :) cooling fan and heatink what would you suggest. Your advice is much appreciated thx alot.
like Jon said the Gorb is not a very good cooler, but it sounds like you have bad contact with your chip as they can usually handle the celerons.
Phil (Mar 20, 2001 02:48 p.m.):
like Jon said the Gorb is not a very good cooler, but it sounds like you have bad contact with your chip as they can usually handle the celerons.
I agree. I also read somewhere that the orbs were not specifically designed for overclocking, and I myselft have a Celleron 600, and when I installed the same Golden Orb, I wasn't impressed by the performance of it.
Scann69
03-26-01, 01:02 PM
i am using a celeron 600 myself and i manage to clock it to 930 Mhz using the golden orb cooler. i've run 3D Mark 2001 for about an hour and it still run smoothly. my question is, is 1 hour long enough? now that u have mention that Golden Orb is not ment for overclocking and the surface is not really flat, how do i go about making the Golden Orb surface flat? one last question, how much is too much or too little thermal paste? as far as i know, i cover the CPU with the paste until i cannot see the surface of the chip? hope i get this replyed soon cause now i believe my CPU get clock higher. hopefully up to 1000Mhz
Lancelot
03-26-01, 01:30 PM
Running 3Dmark for one hour is not enough! On my system it would crash back to the desktop inbetween 1 and 2 hours of looping the demo, meaning not 100% stable yet! So I kept going back one step at a time until it would run overnight (7 to 8 hours)...
prime95 is the best stress test of a chip, it cn usually tell you if a chip that apears stable isn't in a matter of minutes even if it seems to run everything else right, this is important becasue these errors can easily manifest themselfs in things such as a disk write etc... ruining your data or perhaps crashing during something important
puppetmasta (Mar 20, 2001 01:46 p.m.):
Was gonna try and oc to 945 or so, i think my vcore settings are standard about 1.83 or so i think. Or maybe im thinking of something else. If i were to get a "respectable" :) cooling fan and heatink what would you suggest. Your advice is much appreciated thx alot.
I wouldn't trust that Gorb over 900 MHz or so...they're just not capable of cooling well at all above that. I used to have one on my Celerons....Replaced one of them with an Alpha PEP66T....IMMEDIATE difference!! Dropped my temps substantially. You really might want to look into a better hsf IMHO.
Mr B
switch to an alpha... pal 6035 or pep66
DocClock aka MadClocker
03-27-01, 02:29 AM
Take off the gorb, and look at both the cpu, and the surface of the gorb, and if it looks like you have enough grease, you probably have too much. What I do, is I aply the thermal stuff, slap the unit together, and take it apart, then wipe off one surface, then put it back together....that way, I know I only have enough to fill the micro scratches, and get better surface area, but if you use this method, watch your temps as soon as you get into win....it would help to boot at a lower setting, to make sure the contact is good enough...then take it higher when you know it's safe.
BTW, I have a slot one gorb that has such a tight fit, that it pushes any extra grease out all sides, and when I take it apart, the cpu is almost clean..the blue coating shows through real good... weird huh?
Dark Druid
03-27-01, 08:10 AM
I just purchased the Gorb and tried it for a few hours and desided to NOT use it.
What I dont like about it is how it has to TURN to be clamped down.
Now I am no physics major, but I am taking it as the twisting of the hs to the die removes ALOT of the paste and causes the die to directly contact the hs.
Am I wrong here? Please advise.
Thanks
Scann69
03-27-01, 09:44 AM
okay, now that i know 1 hour is not long enough maybe i'll let it run longer. where do i get the software prime95 ? can somebody please give me the address so that i can download it and test my PC. if it hangs halfway then i'm really gonna get a new cooler. so i've heard alot of people telling me that using an alpha cooler is the best. Alpha PEP66T, Alpha P3125 and many more that i have heard of but which one is the best for overclocking? or is there a web site for all this alpha coolers? can somebody help me out here. thanx and advance :D
Scann69 (Mar 27, 2001 09:44 a.m.):
okay, now that i know 1 hour is not long enough maybe i'll let it run longer. where do i get the software prime95 ? can somebody please give me the address so that i can download it and test my PC. if it hangs halfway then i'm really gonna get a new cooler. so i've heard alot of people telling me that using an alpha cooler is the best. Alpha PEP66T, Alpha P3125 and many more that i have heard of but which one is the best for overclocking? or is there a web site for all this alpha coolers? can somebody help me out here. thanx and advance :D
Well, right off the bat, I can eliminate one of those numbers for you. The P3125 is a P// or P/// slot one hsf, and will not work with the s370 Celeron. Next....
For more info on the Alpha coolers, why not go directly to the source;
http://www.micforg.co.jp
There's also a TON of reveiws, and discussions concerning the Alphas in the "Tips and Techniques" section on the fron page here. Go check them out. This will give you the knowledge you need to choose the right Alpha hsf for your application.
(Damn...I sounded like I sell 'em for cryin out loud...hehe)
Good stuff, those Alphas, got one on my C II, and the P///. The reductions in cpu temps I got are quite remarkable.
Mr B
My GlobalWin FOP with a Sunon 80mm high output fan out-cools my Alpha PAL6035, even with a Delta fan. If you're using a slotket, it's really hard to beat the Alpha PEP66.
As far as how thick or thin the thermal paste should be, I've had trouble when the paste was too thin or when too much of it got squished off during installing the cooler, but never had a problem with a moderately thick layer (just don't get ridiculous). If the cooler fits properly, it'll squeeze out the excess anyway.
Mr. Potatoehead
03-27-01, 09:57 PM
www.heatsinkfactory.com has a very good price
on pep66t and low shipping. No problems, shipped it fairly promptly.
Carmine_Paterno
03-28-01, 12:53 PM
I don't understand why everyone says that Celeron II 700's don't Overclock. Mine does 966 @ 2.05v stable, and 903 @ 1.75v. The lowest i have ever seen one overclock was 840 with default voltage, on bad mobo.
Scann69
03-28-01, 01:05 PM
wow, you people are really into alpha cooler. okay, this is really going to sound stupid but what is the meaning of 'hsf' it was mention a couple of times but i don't seem to get the full word. anyway , the way your say about the PAL 6035 and the PEP 66, i'll probably get one of it. anybody knows where to get prime95??
HSF is another term for cooler and stands for Heat Sink & Fan.
Carmine_Paterno (Mar 28, 2001 12:53 p.m.):
I don't understand why everyone says that Celeron II 700's don't Overclock. Mine does 966 @ 2.05v stable, and 903 @ 1.75v. The lowest i have ever seen one overclock was 840 with default voltage, on bad mobo.
It's not that they DON'T overclock....just that there are much better choices of chips to choose from than this one.
Mr B
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