CeleronII 600@900 heat problems

[Pietje]

I'm really confused here. I have my celeronII 600 overclocked at 900. I used to have a Golden Orb but temps got about 60C at full load. So I got rid of it and bought a Super Orb. I know it's intended for amd cpu's, but it fits perfectly on my celeron. At first I was very happy cause temps didn't seem to get higher then 46C at full load. But now, a couple of weeks later, temps are again rising up to about 60C! How is this possible? Please help!

[Trap]

Do u use thermal paste?
Do u have enough airflow in the case?
Consider getting GlobalWin or Alpha cooler..
What are your exact oc settz?

[Pietje]

yes I do have thermal paste applied. It's running at 100fsb 2.0V
If I lower the voltage, the temperature is still the same. And getting yet another cooler won't make any difference, since changing from a golden orb to a super orb didn't make any difference either. Could it be the thermal paste?
I only have 1 casefan, but the case is open and the motherboard is only 22C.

[Trap]

IMO that voltage is too its the upper limit i think ..keeping the case open is not better than having 4 or more fans build in and propper airflow..U are wrong about that the changing the cooler wont make any difference try FOP38 u ll c every thinking stops there..:)

[Trap]

And yeah i have FOP32-1 and 5 Sunon 80mm sleeve drived high speed fans in my case and my temps are between 29C(idle) and 40C(full load) no matter how high do i overclock..i have C633(cB0) on CUSL-2..

[Pietje]

if what you say is true, then why is there no difference in temperature between a golden orb and a super orb? And why would casefans help lower the cpu temperature if my motherboard is already 22C?

[Phil]

becasue the orbs are not suitable for overclocking, I believe they use the same type of aluminium (they use real cheap crappy stuff) which doesn't become more effective just becasue moer air is thrown at it, I saw a review of some heatsinks on a duron system where the fops and alphas were all getting around 45-50oC and the super orb got over 60oC, see if you can sell it to some one over ebay or something and get your self the FOP 32-1, these are more than good enough for a celeron 900 even with 2v, I once forgot to connect the fan on mine when I had it at 900 with 2v and it was stable all day though I wouldn't recomend it for long periods

[Trap]

Well the mobo temp doesnt have anythin eith the cpu temp...if your fans have a decent airflow 30cfm or higher u ll c what they have to do with the temps-but its recommended that that u buy fop cause they suck the air and blow to the cpu!!..just try it..When i installed all the fans i got a temp drop of 10 C!!!
Btw did u properly connect that orb on the 12v and not to 5V maybe??..it happened to me i accidentally switched the wires and connected the fan on 5V it worked on the half of the speed..lol
Did u try to return your cpu to stock speed ?How are the temp then?

[Shadow ÒÓ]

any chance the thermal sensor is going bad?

maybe remove cover and place a house fan pointed at the case.....see if temps change dramatically. If they don't, I'd bet a bad sensor? (IMHO)

[Liquid_N2]

Since you started at 60c on load then changed to the super orb it dropped.

So for the increase in temperature there must be something wrong somewhere for it to suddenly change.

Since the super orb is not designed for the celeron I would hazard a guess that it could be something to do with the pressure being applied to the chip.

If there is not sufficient pressure then the heatsink is not performing as well as it should be. As recommended above i think you should invest in a new heatsink and fan and some artic silver 2.

Also as shadow suggested, it could be your sensor on the blink, try getting hold of another sensor and attach that to see what type of reading you are getting.

What temperature monitoring software are you using? Try another bit of software and see what the comparisons are.

60c is not good, and i recommend you slow the system down a bit untill you have solved the problem, don't wanna go blowing that chip now do we.

Hope this helps.

[WWAZman]

I have a 600 Celeron which is normally set at 600 mhz, 66 bus, 1.5 volotage, and 9 multiplier. Today I overclocked it to first 747mhz at 83 bus and 9 for multiplier and 1.7 voltage
It worked great at that speed, however, I remembered, before I saw it elsewhere, that when I had first put the chip in my board and booted (before it froze up) it kept wanting to default to 900 mhz...so I did a little research and got it to work at 900 at 1.7, voltage, 100 bus, 9 multiplier.
NOW....my temperature hasn't gone above 50 celsius that I know of. My problem is with my Voodoo 3 AGP.. (I think) Once it runs Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, occasionally it will freeze the computer, didn't used to do that before, didn't do it at 747mhz.

I have a Coppermine fan/heatsink about 2" tall on cpu, plus the heat solution, all installed just fine,..128 megs pc100 sdram, Abit Vh6 mobo, pci512 sound 10/100 e-net card and a Creative dvd decoder pci.

[Super]

I did almost the same thing as you, I overlcoked my celly 600 to 747, but I also put my old celly cooler onto the voodoo (don't ask how, I just cliped it onto the heatsink), and I bought the golden orb (which was worse than my default cooler that came with the chip) and I played Unreal Tournament for hours, and the only thing that happened was that my CPU temp got to 42'C. So if you can try getting a cooler for the voodoo, it might help.

[Newbie_Doo]

Have you tried fitting a plastic sleeve (made out of a soda pop bottle) on the Super Orb? This will at least direct the airflow onto the die where it belongs and not spin it out axially. I do not remember where I saw the article (might even have been here) but I recall that it made about a 10C difference in temps.

[DocClock aka MadClocker]

Lets face it..IMO, the Gorbs are just junk...great for serious cpu's but NOT for overclocking, there just isn't enough surface area to disspell the heat, and any posts you might have seen that shows some chip going really high with a gorb would probably have just as good luck with the retail h.s.fan.
Like the others have said, I think you would see a marked diff with an AlphaPEP, or Globalwin FOP
I feel your dissapointment....we all have bought something, and had it not live up to expectations.
As far as your temps suddenly rising, try reaplying your thermal grease,cleaning off the old grease first and be carefull not to aply too much, as it will have the same effect as not having any at all.
Good luck :-)

[martialcomp]

Some thoughts for the guy running the orb style heatsink. I was at a show yesterday in Costa Mesa, CA where I purchased an orb style cooler. The reason I bought it was because I have an Abit bE6 II and these motherboards do not have enough room between the memory slots and the slot 1. When I bought it, the guy selling it to me (it is technically a show or superstore) told me to purchase the forged 1 piece unit because the others are not near as good. He said that heat is dissipated better with the one piece units. So, for $10 dollars, I purchased it. Prior to this, I was running a PC Club bottom with a 26 cfm fan off of an Alpha (not enough room for the full Alpha) and was running a Celeron 667 at 1000 at 1.85 volts. I was able to go to 1030 at 1.85 volts immediately! I used to have to increase .10 volts up to 1.95 just to get to 103. Today, I experimented at 106 at 1.95 volts (1060). After experimenting, I decided to see if I could run a lower voltage at 1000. I am now down to 1.75 volts on a CCO Celeron which has a default voltage of 1.70 To make a long story short, I would say, try lowering the voltage. If you have a slot key, try a different one. 60 deg celcius is very high for that chip. If you are in the same position as me, then you are not going to be able to run a full Alpha. If you can, than you are lucky and you should run it. If not, then I would say try cutting down the Alpha with a hacksaw. That was going to be my next option if the orb style cooler did not help. I do not do a lot of 3d gaming. I run Windows ME and my cpu temp right now is around 27 deg celcius. But, remember, ME sends idling commands to the cpu, so the cpu stays cooler without an idling utility. I will try to test under a strenous load soon and post the results.

[logos]

hmmm.... the cooler makes a huge difference. I would recommend an alpha, I have had the best luck with them. i have a 600 running at 903 and a 633 at 1 gig. the more overclocked one with a pal 6035 idles at 22c and never really gets above 30c. the one with a fop32 idles about 31c.

also the bios temp is not a good temp indicator because it is not being overclocked...and every cpu is different, maybe this one just runs hot when overclocked. that's the gamble, you might even get one that doesn' overclock at all.