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I am currently a 9'th grader and am going to build my own computer. I have everything picked out (i think), and was wondering if their is anyting that I have to watch out for (cables I need, doesn't fit into case, etc..). Currently I am going to get:
Moutherboard: EPOX KT400 EP-8K9A
Processor: AMD 1700+ Thouroughbred core
Volcano 7+ Heatsink fan
Artic Silver Compound
Case: Antec Super Lanboy
HDD: Maxtor 160GB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive with 8MB Buffer
RAM Kingston ValueRAM Dual Kits 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200
Video Card GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR AGP Graphics Card
PSU: Antec 430W Power Supply, Model "TRUE430" -RETAIL
I have a Floppy Drive lying around my house, along with a cd-rom drive.
Any advice/help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Also, how fast do you think I could safely overclock the AMD 1700+?
Thanks Again
if you want to overclock i would change the motherboard to an nforce2 chipset, preferrable the abit nf7-s
SewerBeing
01-25-04, 11:20 AM
I wont recommend that mobo, get an Abit NF7 or if the budget permits Abit NF7-S (which has more features). You should be able to up the proc from a front side bus of 133 to 166 (for the actual thing just multiply it by two) If you have the proper cooling, it might go higher but I doubt it.
if you are overclocking you are going to need a better heatsink, plain and simple.
i kinda need to know your budget before i go all crazy listing heatsinks/fans for your project. :)
i would suggest a GF4 TI4200 to save you money and increase the speed of your games. the FX5200 is really really bad. its DX9 compatible compared to DX8.1 of the 4200 but you really don't NEED DX9 right now. the 4200 will be a much better choice and they are pretty cheap.
some Questions??
1.Why a KT 400 chip set and not a NForce 2 ultra 400 chipset??
2. Why the FX 5200, these are not very good video cards, you would be better off finding a used 4200 or try to find a decent deal on a ATI 9500 or 9600, until the more powerful cards drop in price like the 9700's or 9800's
3. I would reccomend a better HSF combo if you really want to overclock that 1700+ get a SK6+ or SK7 or even a SLK 900A, with a decent 80mm fan, you will be happier.
You should be able to hit 2.0-2.1GHZ easy with some decent cooling with that chip if it is unlocked and a DLTC3
warlock110
01-25-04, 11:27 AM
it looks like u go cheap on the heat sink, the volcano 7 just won't do, i rather step up a little and get the vocanoe 9 or 11, just a few more bucks but they out perform the volcano 7 my a margin, and it seems that thermal right heatsink are good too :)
oh and Welcome to the forums! :D
stick around here and your comp knowledge will become vasto. ;)
ok that was bad. someone call the cops. lol. :o
indeed, take the NF7 or the NF7-S, these seem to be nice mobos (tho im an intel guy meself) and about the vid card...
i recommended the 5200 to a friend... never been more sorry in my life (except for taking my corsair ram) that card is better than a geforce 2 mx400 but not much, find a good deal on a GFX card, id say ATi is the way to go now
My Budget is pretty low, 300-400US. I want to get the best for my money, especially seeing how I am going to use it to play games.
Originally posted by Maxvla
oh and Welcome to the forums! :D
stick around here and your comp knowledge will become vasto. ;)
ok that was bad. someone call the cops. lol. :o
That was a pretty bad joke, but I'll be thankful for any advice I get on anything
hmm, remember you often get what you pay for, not always, but often this is true to a certain extent, if youre going to be a gamer, i would SERIOUSLY reconsider the GFX card... the 5200 is not sufficient for quality gaming, and if youre planning on games like HL2 or Doom III id say youd need a bit more RAM, though with those specs i think those games would run a bit less than perfect anyway...
conlusion: Other mobo, Other GFX :)
oh! WELCOME TO THE FORUMS :D!
and good luck :)
Abit NF7 non-s - 77.00
AMD 1800+ 49.00
Heatsink (still deciding)
Arctic Silver 5 - 4.99
Antec Super Lanboy 75.00
Kingston Dual 3200 - 80
Western Digital 160GB 103.00
Gainward TI4200 89.00
Sparkle 350w 19.00 (trust me its better than the one you picked out ;))
umm... your budget is 300-400 yet my parts total is cheaper than yours and its 496.00 plus a heatsink and shipping.
Originally posted by Vasto
That was a pretty bad joke, but I'll be thankful for any advice I get on anything
yes it was bad wasn't it?
:clap:
I have another question, I was looking at mother boards, and i saw this: ATX form factor No Blackplate included. What does that mean??
Originally posted by Maxvla
Abit NF7 non-s - 77.00
AMD 1800+ 49.00
Heatsink (still deciding)
Arctic Silver 5 - 4.99
Antec Super Lanboy 75.00
Kingston Dual 3200 - 80
Western Digital 160GB 103.00
Gainward TI4200 89.00
Sparkle 350w 19.00 (trust me its better than the one you picked out ;))
umm... your budget is 300-400 yet my parts total is cheaper than yours and its 496.00 plus a heatsink and shipping.
Is 350w enough power? And how much can I safely overclock the AMD 1800+?
Originally posted by Vasto
Is 350w enough power? And how much can I safely overclock the AMD 1800+?
yes i've used a sparkle 350 on a pentium 4 2.4b rig at 3.66ghz and it didn't flinch at all.
how far on the 1800 is dependant on your heatsink. with that volcano 7 you aren't going to get much. perhaps 1.8-2.0. with good air you should be able to reach 2.0-2.3 with best air 2.4-2.5 would not be unheard of.
Originally posted by Vasto
I have another question, I was looking at mother boards, and i saw this: ATX form factor No Blackplate included. What does that mean??
a backplate (or I/O cover as its also called) is just the plate that attaches to your case that has the right holes in it for the ps2 ports, usb, serial, etc. i never use one in my rigs, so its not necessary.
What is the biggest your C: drive can be? I heard that windows has put a limit on it.
pretty big anyway :o
there are 200gig HDD's around, i dont know what the windows max would be
ill do a search for ya
edit: gah, google has decided to only give results about old 486 rigs :/
ChillPhatCat
01-25-04, 12:25 PM
It doesn't matter what size drive you get, you can always partition it into smaller chunks that windows will allow... I think it's something like 132 Gb max per partition.
theres gotta be a way around that. i've seen people that had 250gb drives that showed up as 250gb not 137. i don't have a drive larger than 137 so i haven't investigated this.
ok you need Service Pack 1 for XP to see the whole drive. :)
easy fix.
I've heard of a 250 gb. I dont know what i would do with all that space. (legally). Thanks for the research
warlock110
01-25-04, 01:09 PM
I don't know if u like rebates or not, but let me pick something out that might be able to help u.
AMD XP 2400 + ECS mobo for 80 bucks (at ur local Fry electronic store if u have 1)
PC3200 RAM or PC 2700 RAM 512 MB runs at around 70/50 after rebate at staple (70 for PC 3200, 50 for PC 2700)
Arow 7 Lite heatsink (18 bucks) this got some good reviews
Artic silver 5==5 bucks
Would u consider droping the Antec Super Lanboy for this?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-132&catalog=7&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
I found it at my local store for 55 bucks, its got alot of fans slot and look kindda nice, including fans too.
As for hardrive, I wouldn't go with 160GB now since it's still quite a bit expensive, go with 120 GB for around 60 bucks, or if u can go to office max today and grab the 80GB for 20 after rebate.
And finally Gainward TI4200 89.00
Let stick in a Audigy 2 for 50 bucks, u ain't got no sound card on this system as i noticed.
Comes out to be 367 as bare minimum with the 80GB hardrive from office max. This system is wut u would call a no OC system, with the ECS mobo it's pretty much crapping out on OC, people has said that ECS is a bad mobo company but I've had friends with about 6 rigs with ECS mobo and they run just fine, the 2400 stock is at 2Ghz, but because Fry electronic is having the rev8 of the board u might be able to OC a bit to 2.1Ghz but that's about it. The 1700 u listed will OC higher for sure, but since u are gaming the graphic card is more important than 200-300 extra mhz. What this system has compare to ur is a little less, ur has bigger HD, better case, better speed. This thing has better sound due to the Audigy. But for a gamer i think my system would fit u better, the case look more like a gamer case, gammer don't really need HD or alot of mhz on the CPU, they need good graphic card :)
IceTheNet
01-25-04, 01:22 PM
you might also look into a sata HD fairly economical but really fast you can boot off a sata but you will have to load drivers on install there several good forums that will explain how to do this. just google search.
no reason to go sata with this rig.
warlock110
01-25-04, 02:30 PM
he's on a budget, no need for Sata, ATA is enough for most tasks.
ShakyJake
01-25-04, 02:46 PM
Yeah, the FX 5200 blows. As someone else stated, the GeForce4 Ti4200 is fairly cheap now and will blow the doors off the 5200. You may think that the 5200 is better due to DX9 features, but the card is so slow it's pointless. If you must have DX9 support, then save a bit extra and get a Radeon 9600 Pro or XT.
IceTheNet
01-25-04, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by ShakyJake
Yeah, the FX 5200 blows. As someone else stated, the GeForce4 Ti4200 is fairly cheap now and will blow the doors off the 5200. You may think that the 5200 is better due to DX9 features, but the card is so slow it's pointless. If you must have DX9 support, then save a bit extra and get a Radeon 9600 Pro or XT.
True I probably did make a bad compairison there but I was trying to make a point. should have said 5600, the 5700 will dominate and radeon 9600 will stomp the living holy duckie out both of them.
IceTheNet
01-25-04, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by warlock110
he's on a budget, no need for Sata, ATA is enough for most tasks.
OK well maybe you didn't know I will post Sata Prices from pricewatch
$218 - Serial ATA 250GB
$161 - Serial ATA 200GB
$116 - Serial ATA 160GB
$87 - Serial ATA 120GB
$67 - Serial ATA 80GB
$72 - Serial ATA 60GB
and that is ATA 150
Why would he not take advantage of the speed when you can get the controller on many of the motherboards. and pay the same or less.
NOTE: You can run one, but two of these bad boys you can get raid 0+1 and the combined speed is tremendous.
Originally posted by IceTheNet
OK well maybe you didn't know I will post Sata Prices from pricewatch
$218 - Serial ATA 250GB
$161 - Serial ATA 200GB
$116 - Serial ATA 160GB
$87 - Serial ATA 120GB
$67 - Serial ATA 80GB
$72 - Serial ATA 60GB
and that is ATA 150
Why would he not take advantage of the speed when you can get the controller on many of the motherboards. and pay the same or less.
NOTE: You can run one, but two of these bad boys you can get raid 0+1 and the combined speed is tremendous.
even two ide 7200rpm drives can't push more than 133mb/s which is the limit of ATA133.. sata drives won't be any faster, just have a higher speed limit. same car, different speedometer ;)
Originally posted by warlock110
I don't know if u like rebates or not, but let me pick something out that might be able to help u.
AMD XP 2400 + ECS mobo for 80 bucks (at ur local Fry electronic store if u have 1)
PC3200 RAM or PC 2700 RAM 512 MB runs at around 70/50 after rebate at staple (70 for PC 3200, 50 for PC 2700)
Arow 7 Lite heatsink (18 bucks) this got some good reviews
Artic silver 5==5 bucks
Would u consider droping the Antec Super Lanboy for this?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-132&catalog=7&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
I found it at my local store for 55 bucks, its got alot of fans slot and look kindda nice, including fans too.
As for hardrive, I wouldn't go with 160GB now since it's still quite a bit expensive, go with 120 GB for around 60 bucks, or if u can go to office max today and grab the 80GB for 20 after rebate.
And finally Gainward TI4200 89.00
Let stick in a Audigy 2 for 50 bucks, u ain't got no sound card on this system as i noticed.
Comes out to be 367 as bare minimum with the 80GB hardrive from office max. This system is wut u would call a no OC system, with the ECS mobo it's pretty much crapping out on OC, people has said that ECS is a bad mobo company but I've had friends with about 6 rigs with ECS mobo and they run just fine, the 2400 stock is at 2Ghz, but because Fry electronic is having the rev8 of the board u might be able to OC a bit to 2.1Ghz but that's about it. The 1700 u listed will OC higher for sure, but since u are gaming the graphic card is more important than 200-300 extra mhz. What this system has compare to ur is a little less, ur has bigger HD, better case, better speed. This thing has better sound due to the Audigy. But for a gamer i think my system would fit u better, the case look more like a gamer case, gammer don't really need HD or alot of mhz on the CPU, they need good graphic card :)
I don't have a fry electronic around me (i have compusa, and microcenter though), so I guess that the processor mobo combo is out of the question. The funny thing about the case is, that was the case that I was originally thinking about getting, that is until I saw the Antec Super Lanboy. I really would like to keep the super lanboy though. But if I run out of money, then I might end up getting that case. I did not know about the 80gb HDD though and I will look into that, especially since I can always add more. I like the idea of a audigy sound card, but what is a gainwardTI4200?? Is that a Video Card?
Thanks for all the tips.
yes. Gainward Ti4200 is a video card. it will be much faster than the fx5200 you picked out.
StealtheR
01-25-04, 05:01 PM
get a better mobo, and better heatsink/fan cooling
volcano 7+ sucks!l sorry dude :)
you can whether get NF7-S v2 or EpoX 8RDA+
:)
is AMD Mobile Athlon XP 1700+, 266FSB, 256K Cache
-OEM a good processor, heres a link with stats http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-363&catalog=343&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
<edit> is Kingston 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2700 - OEM anygood?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-202&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
ajrettke
01-25-04, 05:08 PM
From newegg.com:
Pro Source Mid-Tower Case w/350W Power Supply, Model: 602XU-BL-SF - Retail.
41 shipped
Samsung 160GB 7200RPM Hard Drive, Model SP1614N, OEM Drive Only
110 shipped
2xMushkin 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 Basic Green - Retail
78 shipped
From excaliberpc:
NF7, XP1700 JIUHB (Tbred B), and SLK900A is 171.50 shipped
All that totals:
385.50, and you still need a video card. What I would do is instead of getting that big ol 160gb, find a deal online at www.fatwallet.com for a HDD...you can find 120's for around 60 bucks, that would open your budget to over 60 bucks for a video card, and with 60 bucks I would find an 8500le or ti4200 (both will beat a 5200). Also if you checknewegg refurbs you can get much cheaper parts...i.e. video cards especialy, and motherboards.
Originally posted by Vasto
is AMD Mobile Athlon XP 1700+, 266FSB, 256K Cache
-OEM a good processor, heres a link with stats http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-363&catalog=343&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
the 1800+ is faster and only 49 dollars ;)
IceTheNet
01-25-04, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Maxvla
even two ide 7200rpm drives can't push more than 133mb/s which is the limit of ATA133.. sata drives won't be any faster, just have a higher speed limit. same car, different speedometer ;)
I really don't know where you get your information from I usually find you to informed. But SATA is no compairison to IDE. the SATA Is able to push 150mb/s it is so much faster and with raid 0+1 you double that. and at nearly the same price SATA is the obvious winner here.
http://www.monkeyreview.com/reviews/review.php?num=289&page=0
Now you know.
I was thinking of this: Thermaltake Volcano II A1725 as a heatsink for only 24.85 after tax and shipping from: accupc http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/search/search__cat_id--491,prod_id--7022141,sort--7.html
Originally posted by IceTheNet
I really don't know where you get your information from I usually find you to informed. But SATA is no compairison to IDE. the SATA Is able to push 150mb/s it is so much faster and with raid 0+1 you double that. and at nearly the same price SATA is the obvious winner here.
http://www.monkeyreview.com/reviews/review.php?num=289&page=0
Now you know.
the drives themselves are pushing 40-60mb/s at most. combine two and you get around 80-100mb/s still much less than 133 or 150. now if you are running 3-4 drives in raid SATA makes sense.
warlock110
01-25-04, 08:15 PM
Ok, harddrive deal this week.
80 MB maxtor 8MB edition, 20 bucks after rebate at office max (by now it's probably gone, forget about this deal)
120 MB maxtor for 40 bucks after rebate at Office depot (better hurry and jump on this)
Best Buy has 512MB of Pc 3200 Ram for 50 dollars after rebates in dual channel (256 x 2)
All these deals has rebates, but they are pretty reliable, Office depot, bestbuy are some of the most reliable rebate company u can get.
If u don't have a fry around then it's time to go to newegg and pick out something a little more expensive that allows OC.
warlock110
01-25-04, 08:16 PM
actually the PC 3200 RAm is 65, not 50, i got confused with the PC 2700 RAM :)
forgot 1 more HD Deal
Western Digital 160GB 2MB Cache HD $60 after $100MIR at Comp USA
I really appreciate that.
I will be sure to use some of those.
hmooblis
01-25-04, 10:02 PM
has everyone forgotten about the monitor/printer/mouse/keyboard and OS
Originally posted by hmooblis
has everyone forgotten about the monitor/printer/mouse/keyboard and OS
good point. i for some reason always assume people have them cause most of the posts on here are about upgrades.
those items can really add up.
StealtheR
01-25-04, 10:40 PM
heheheeh
warlock110
01-25-04, 10:51 PM
hehe, well if u really wanna go cheap check this out
I got an Inland optical mouse for 5 bucks, no rebate it feels alright, just ur average regular optical mouse
I got a memorex keyboard with hot keys for 4 bucks
and OS i would stick with winXP pro (if u can "borrow" that somewhere, friend or internet) kkaka. that's about 10 bucks total if u do it right, if not then 200 including OS. i'm sure u'll wanna borrow the OS from a friend :)
IceTheNet
01-26-04, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Maxvla
the drives themselves are pushing 40-60mb/s at most. combine two and you get around 80-100mb/s still much less than 133 or 150. now if you are running 3-4 drives in raid SATA makes sense.
well depending on the drive a segate will push about 85 a raptor may only push 60 even at 10,000 rpm they don't really seem to steal the show with a faster drive. But facts are facts they will out benchmark a ata 133 not significantly this is true but faster is always better ; ). But really the significant benifits are.
1.) Lower Voltage. (always a benifit to OverClockers)
2.) Smaller cables. (a benifit if you like CaseMods)
3.) Hot Swapable. (Security, and Data Transportation)
Besides using serial tranport much like usb is smother, faster and requires less energy for the transportation of data. Let's face it the parallel is becomeing the least used port on a computer, and there is a reason for that. Newer specifications of serial ata II will have drives at 300 kbs.
My main point here is that if you are going to buy a newmother board the serial ata is a big bonus. I personally have twin maxtor SATA's and really feel the difference. Not just in the Hard drives but in total system performance. and SATA's are now actually costing the same or sometimes less than an a IDE. the only reason not to get it may be the cost of the motherboard.
EPoX EP-8RDA3+ nFORCE2 ULTRA400 Chipset 333/400MHz SATA RAID Audio Lan IEEE1394 ATX
http://www.unitedmicro.com/comp_main.htm
Epox - Epox EP-8RDA3+ NF2 U400 Chipset 400/333MHz,3DDR 400 SATA Raid Dual Lan IEEEE 1394 P80P ATX
Details:
-with cpu - ATHLON XP 2600 333 WITH FAN COPPER BASE THERMALTAKE VOLCANO 8. ONE YEAR WARRANTY
Part - -COMBO8RDA326 Updated - 1/23, 4:14 PM
TotalCost $189.00
Price $ 179
Shipping - $10
from pricewatch.com
ajrettke
01-26-04, 10:21 AM
Ice, your not getting the point.
SATA and PATA are interfaces. No more, no less. One can send 133mb/s, the other 150mb/s.
Now the physicial platters and heads inside the drive are where the speed (when I say speed I mean latency as well as bandwidth) resides. take a new 15k U320 SCSI drive, run it on a U80 (rated for 80mb/s) interface and it will smoke a raptor, and any other IDE drive out there.... even though it's on an interface that's nearly half of a SATA connection.
all these 7200rpm SATA drives with normal IDE platters are no faster than PATA's. Results with SATA's being faster are most likely due to sloppy testing and/or margin of error from the testing program.
The raptor uses SCSI platers, and other performance boosts over standard IDE. WD could easily make raptors on an ATA100 or ATA133 interface, and it would perform the same....maybe in a RAID 0 on a data burst 2 RAID 0's MIGHT saturate 150mb/s, but that would be for such a short time and it would fall down to 80-100 right away...a 133mb/s wouldn't even be a noticeable cap.
StealtheR
01-26-04, 11:51 AM
*amen*
If your on a bad budget I would get a Kt333 or Kt400 (same, max 166FSB, max 166 ram, except for kt400 has 8x agp while kt333 has 4x agp (not a real differnence), also the Kt400 OCs higher than a KT333 in terms of FSB and RAM MHZ). If you want a higher chance of hitting 200 FSB and soemthing similar to Intel's PAT, get the KT400A.
I you want official support for 200 FSB CPU get the KT600 (old kt400B).
Price wise according to www.pricewatch.com, there is no price difference between the kt400 and kt400a (A's are cheaper), and about $3-4 more for a Kt600. There is a major price difference between KT400/As/600 and KT333s, like $20-25.
If I were on a severe budget and want to get 166 FSB CPU, I would get KT333. A KT266A and Kt333 are about $2-4 differnt. My KT266A overclocks to 161FSB no chipset or ram voltage increses, but I have no PCI devices on the mb, 1 tnt2 AGP card, and everything else is built into the chipset (lan is in chipset, not PCI device). But I still would get the kt333 over a 266A.
Also there is rumor of a Dual Channel Via Athlon Chipset called the KT880, no clue when it will come out.
Originally posted by Vasto
I am currently a 9'th grader and am going to build my own computer. I have everything picked out (i think), and was wondering if their is anyting that I have to watch out for (cables I need, doesn't fit into case, etc..). Currently I am going to get:
Moutherboard: EPOX KT400 EP-8K9A
Processor: AMD 1700+ Thouroughbred core
Volcano 7+ Heatsink fan
Artic Silver Compound
Case: Antec Super Lanboy
HDD: Maxtor 160GB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive with 8MB Buffer
RAM Kingston ValueRAM Dual Kits 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200
Video Card GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR AGP Graphics Card
PSU: Antec 430W Power Supply, Model "TRUE430" -RETAIL
I have a Floppy Drive lying around my house, along with a cd-rom drive.
Any advice/help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Congrats on you being a young OCer. I am a 10th grader, but I have been with computers since I was 2. Built my first from scratch when I was 11. First worked inside one was when I was 7. First saw insides of one when I was 4. Also I would recommend a better heatsink. A Volcano 9 is worse than a $15 Thermalright SK6+ (my experiance). There are better choices.
hmooblis
01-26-04, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by warlock110
hehe, well if u really wanna go cheap check this out
I got an Inland optical mouse for 5 bucks, no rebate it feels alright, just ur average regular optical mouse
I got a memorex keyboard with hot keys for 4 bucks
and OS i would stick with winXP pro (if u can "borrow" that somewhere, friend or internet) kkaka. that's about 10 bucks total if u do it right, if not then 200 including OS. i'm sure u'll wanna borrow the OS from a friend :)
how does that work... i mean, once you used the os you can't go around your buddys home installing it on their computer too can you?
warlock110
01-26-04, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by hmooblis
how does that work... i mean, once you used the os you can't go around your buddys home installing it on their computer too can you?
u can go around and install OS to any computer u like, ranging from win 95, 98, Me and all that stuff, the only one that u can't do that is Win XP "home" the pro version dont have limits and i'm not so sure that u can't have more than 1 computer running XP home, I thought some dude cracked that problem already, but to be on the safe side, just use pro.
hmooblis
01-27-04, 05:18 PM
does anyone have more to add? i'll try to search more...
hmooblis
01-27-04, 05:19 PM
does anyone have more to add? i mean can someone verify this? i'll try to search more...
hmooblis
01-27-04, 07:13 PM
okay... i researched it and here is the deal. you can go around installing the os on any computer but the catch is that you need a new product key to activate . please correct if i'm wrong. warlock, tell me more about your side of the story.
I know that this is a little delayed, but i thought that you could share serial keys, as long as there not hooked up onto the same network. It worked for the older ones, but i dont know about the newer ones. Especially woth the windows update .com thing. Also, whats the diff inbetween Home and Pro edition for XP (besides cost). Also, i think that if i run out of money, then I'll just use Linux. Any Thoughts?
lostshoe420
02-04-04, 10:19 PM
Unless you used linux before I would highly recommend against it.
I'm sure you could find XP SOMEWHERE for the right price (PM me if you need "help")....
hUMANbEATbOX
02-04-04, 11:48 PM
vasto, have you gotten your rig yet? if not, have you considered a duron?
i'm not super up to date on durons, but someone can confirm this, is there not a cache unlocking trick on those? so they can be turned into full blown tbred's? (or was it bartons?) a duron sould be cheaper, allowing a bigger videocard budget while still being able to oc like mad.
i saw a thread a while back, one guy had his at like 2.75GHz, i saved the screenshot, but can't find the thread.
schismspeak
02-05-04, 12:32 AM
Guys, you really need to stop talking about cracking Win XP and using other peoples serials or dowloading it, basically that is warez, and it isn't tolerated on these forums.
Now vasto, not many games work with linux, if you want to game, get windows.
OKJEFF4
02-06-04, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by hUMANbEATbOX
vasto, have you gotten your rig yet? if not, have you considered a duron?
i'm not super up to date on durons, but someone can confirm this, is there not a cache unlocking trick on those? so they can be turned into full blown tbred's? (or was it bartons?) a duron sould be cheaper, allowing a bigger videocard budget while still being able to oc like mad.
i saw a thread a while back, one guy had his at like 2.75GHz, i saved the screenshot, but can't find the thread.
Do you think there is a way to turn Thortons into Bartons?
Everyone, This thread has been going for a while, but I finally am buying the stuff. the following is my list of stuff:
ANTEC ALUMINUM SERIES SUPER LAN BOY MINI TOWER CASE,
Arctic Silver's NEW Premium Silver Polysynthetic Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5. 3.5-gram
Western Digital Special Edition 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD1200JB, OEM Drive Only(What does OEM Only Mean?)
Kingston 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2100
Antec P4 ATX12V 400 Watt Power Supply With 2 Fans, Model "SL400" -RETAIL
AMD Athlon XP 1800+, 266 MHz FSB, 256K Cache Processor - OEM
(What does OEM mean?)
ABIT nForce2 SPP Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU, Model "NF7"
ATI RADEON 9600SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP (I basically chose this because It seems like a good Video Card, and I get HL2 for free with it)
Thermaltake Highest Performance SMART and SILENT Volcano 9 CPU Cooler,Application for Socket A/370
schismspeak
02-07-04, 12:37 AM
OEM=original equipment manufacturer. Basically, you get the product only, no manual(not needed for processor or HD) or cables(your motherboard will come with the appropriate cables for the WD Hard drive)
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