Why won't my (fill in cpu) boot at (fill in speed)

[William]

I have this ____ and it will only boot to _____mhz at ______V. Why won't it boot? I am using a golden orb.

Ok, here is the answer. I have seen this question many times. The problem is the golden orb is not that great of a cooler. Get a better hsf. This is for a warning for anyone who has any thoughts of buying a golden orb. Get a bettre HSF and watch your speeds increase and your temps decrease!

[Yoda_Blues]

Yeah, really. I have Mr.B to thank for helping me avoid a castastrophe. It's bad enough I have a P3-700 cA2, which is gonna a bitch to OC, but I dont think I would have gotten anything with a Gorb. THANKS MR.B! My AlphaPEP66T and Artic Silver II is in the mail and I cant wait to get it. If i get 868, I'll be happy. good enough until I can afford my T-Bird system....

[Mr B]

dunno260 (Apr 09, 2001 03:48 p.m.):
I have this ____ and it will only boot to _____mhz at ______V. Why won't it boot? I am using a golden orb.

Ok, here is the answer. I have seen this question many times. The problem is the golden orb is not that great of a cooler. Get a better hsf. This is for a warning for anyone who has any thoughts of buying a golden orb. Get a bettre HSF and watch your speeds increase and your temps decrease!

Agreed. the Gorb just isn't cut out for any heavy overclocking. There's just not enough metal to carry away the heat.

I replaced my Gorb with an Alpha PEP66T, and got much lower temps, and a bit more speed in the bargain.

Best use for a Gorb is to modify it to fit on the GPU on your video card.

2nd best use is...um, there is no second best use. Nevermind.

Alpha's and GlobalWins might be close to twice as expensive, but the cool your chip at a minimum 10x better....

Mr B

[OpenFriday]

I too have seen this too many times, they orb is a fine cooler i suppose for moderate overclocking so ive seen and heard but if you want to push that chip to its max (air cooling) just dish out the extra $$$ (what is it 10$ more for a FOP or Vantec?) I bought the vantec myself for 20$ so its about 8$ more than a GORB and cools much better.

Mr.B i believe had a GORB on his Blazing cel, and with it on i believe topped out at 1008 ish. Since hes gotten the PEP i believe he got it to about 1050. Dont quote me on this as i have a bad memory. But really lots buy the GORB and wonder why it cant handle the 2.0+ volts.

[Mr B]

OpenFriday, you do indeed have a good memory.

1009 to 1053, it went. Good call, my brother Senior.

I did keep the Gorb, just incase (a), the fan on the Alpha goes south, or (b), I sell a chip that can use a s370 hsf...there's no way I'll ever part company with the PEP66.

Mr B

[Allan Nielsen]

The thing is that the Golden Orb is a fine cooler... just not for overclocking. It sure is a lot better than the stock hsf, and when lapped it performs ok.

[OpenFriday]

Mr.B, i think we posted at about the exact same time as i dont remember your post being there.
Im guessing the PEP is more than meeting your expectations? I was going to go the alpha route myself but again, lack of money......., Just picked up the 20$ Vantec as i said earlier,its said to preform on par with the FOP38 so it should provide decent cooling. Gonna check out how loud this bad boy is. Back to the GORB. Ive seen a few revievs on it and on the whole it looks like a decent preformer as long as you dont plan to oc too madly. Looks like the clipping system is TIGHT. I guess thats a good thing. Im getting one with my Cel im trading and Extreme says 2.0V and never tops 29C, we'll see what happens. All i need is a mobo and case and i can tell you guys all about it. You thought my normal posts are long? You aint seen nothin yet. Im not sayin the orb is bad or anything, its just that if im going to be burning in at 2.3,2.4,2.5V then im going to need something a little more heavy duty. Sorry for baballing.

[William]

well, i agree, the gorb is a decent cooler, especially if you want looks and are not oc'ing. But if you are, it just doesn't cut it. Just posted it so hopefully some people will not waste the money on the gorb. Before coming here, i had always heard the gorbs been praised. Glad i got my fop38.

[Mr B]

dunno260 (Apr 09, 2001 08:45 p.m.):
well, i agree, the gorb is a decent cooler, especially if you want looks and are not oc'ing. But if you are, it just doesn't cut it. Just posted it so hopefully some people will not waste the money on the gorb. Before coming here, i had always heard the gorbs been praised. Glad i got my fop38.

I heard praise, too. I went out and got a couple of them. Not using either in my rig now, nor will in the future.

Mr B

[DocClock aka MadClocker]

I have a slot one gorb..at 15.00 U.S. I couldn't pass it up, and I was dissapointed with it..seems to be adequate till about 840 or so with my 600E, but I was thinking of modifying the gorb, by cutting off the extra metal that makes up the "wings" for lack of a better word, and using it on an old katmai, as with the fan blowing down middle, and going outward, I figure it might cool the cache chips a little better than a regular setup of that genre'...and would allow for the addition of individual sinks for the cache chips.

[LimeyGreg]

I wonder how much better it would perform if the fan was given some more voltage, say 17v. Maybe an increase in airflow to match that of the black label delta will yield similar results to the PEP66, of course the price paid is more noise.

It's all very well putting down the lack of performance of an HSF, or any other component for that matter, but unless you are comparing "apples to apples" as it were, you need to make an allowance for the differences. HSF's are especially difficult due to the many variables. Size, volume, surface area, material - and thats just the sink, put the fan into the mix and it gets worse.

Has anyone got both the PEP66 and a Gorb who can do the test ? I bought a Gorb to try. I spent a little time deburring the clip/fastener so that it works smoothly. I lapped the base. As soon as I can get some free time I'm going to try overvolting the fan to see what kind of difference it makes and I'll post the results. I don't have a PEP or a FOP to compare it against. I do however have a surplus Intel P3 FCPGA HSF that I have put a Nidec TA225DC (.28amp @ 12v, approx 25cfm) on to - I have to move my memory stick to fit it in, it's an Abit BE6-2 slot 1 mobo.

[Mr B]

LimeyGreg (Apr 10, 2001 10:52 p.m.):
I wonder how much better it would perform if the fan was given some more voltage, say 17v. Maybe an increase in airflow to match that of the black label delta will yield similar results to the PEP66, of course the price paid is more noise.

It's all very well putting down the lack of performance of an HSF, or any other component for that matter, but unless you are comparing "apples to apples" as it were, you need to make an allowance for the differences. HSF's are especially difficult due to the many variables. Size, volume, surface area, material - and thats just the sink, put the fan into the mix and it gets worse.

Has anyone got both the PEP66 and a Gorb who can do the test ? I bought a Gorb to try. I spent a little time deburring the clip/fastener so that it works smoothly. I lapped the base. As soon as I can get some free time I'm going to try overvolting the fan to see what kind of difference it makes and I'll post the results. I don't have a PEP or a FOP to compare it against. I do however have a surplus Intel P3 FCPGA HSF that I have put a Nidec TA225DC (.28amp @ 12v, approx 25cfm) on to - I have to move my memory stick to fit it in, it's an Abit BE6-2 slot 1 mobo.

I'm not gonna go screwing w/ my voltages, but I will say this;

When I replaced the Gorb I had on my Celeron, my temps dropped around 8c, and I gained 4 MHz FSB.

'Nuff said.

Mr B

[William]

maybe, it the gorb had some more surface area, maybe it would be much better. Most tests I see have surface as more important than the airflow. The gorb is okay, but it is not a fop38, pep66 etc level cooler and when people are trying to do some really good overclocking with a gorb, it is not wonder why they have the probs they are getting.