700E @ 933?? PROBLEMS

[CumineO'clocker]

First off let me start by saying I have a retail pentium 700 coppermine (100MHZ FSB). I have got a golden orb on it and it idles at 75F degrees overclocked to 854. My problem is I can't seem to run stable at 133FSB! I got Pc133 micron ram, and a Soyo 6BA+100 440BX board. I set my memory settings to 3-3-3 that should yield supportive overclocking enviroment right?? I mean I got the CBo stepping too....... Well I know what your saying raise the voltage dumbsass... Yeah well I did, I raised it 2.5% and it still didn't boot, then to 5% (which booted but gave me a windows protection error), then to 7.5% which booted into windows but locked up periodically! SO should I go all the way to a 10% voltage increase?? or is this too high for a golden orb cooler to handle?? My processor never gets over 95F even after quake, so maybe it can handle it right?? Well I really needs some hints or tips from some of you smarties out there please.. This is UNEXCUSABLE!!!!! a 700 CUMINE should run 133FSB NO PROBLEMS especially the CBo stepping.

[marty]

I would consider better cooling. I have the same cB0 chip and all I could do at first was 840. Then I went back to the Intel fan (rather than the generic Orb I had been using) and I could hit 860 or so. When I got my Alpha cooler I could get to about 875 or 910.

And it was then that I finally wired the chip to allow me to use another .05 volts and run at 933.

So I advise the best heat sink and fan before you start fooling with the voltage.

Oh yeah, there was that day I put it out the window of my house and used the winter air to cool it. I hit 960 or so that day and ran a benchmark at Wintune for the fun of it.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Do whatever Marty has said "+" be sure to apply real thin layer of CPU thermal paste between the CPU and HS. Get rid of the Orb.

Get your case get naked or put it out the window if it's freezing outside like what Marty said. That is a good idea.. hehehehe... I always leave my case get naked, both sides open I can play games all day at 1064mhz. and office apps no problem @ 1071mhz.

[CumineO'clocker]

WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE GO BACK TO THE INTEL HEATSINK/FAN COMBO! That is the dumbest advice I have ever received! Yeah the Golden Orb which can keep my processor at 75F, which is overclocked from 700 to 854 is a bad fan. Go back to the ****ty Intel one that made the processor run around 90F. Thanks fot the advice wise ass....
Yeah I am quite sure the problem doesn't lie in the heat, my case is cooled fine. Not to be a complete ass but that intel fan blows. Thanx for your response however. Nothing personal but the fan is fine.

[CumineO'clocker]

WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE GO BACK TO THE INTEL HEATSINK/FAN COMBO! That is the dumbest advice I have ever received! Yeah the Golden Orb which can keep my processor at 75F, which is overclocked from 700 to 854 is a bad fan. Go back to the ****ty Intel one that made the processor run around 90F. Thanks fot the advice wise ass....
Yeah I am quite sure the problem doesn't lie in the heat, my case is cooled fine. Not to be a complete ass but that intel fan blows. Thanx for your response however. Nothing personal but the fan is fine.

[OpenFriday]

Whoa lets keep it civilized guys. I'll agree that the intel HSF and Gorb are both poor coolers when it comes to overclocking. If you want to see how high that bad a$$ chip of yours can go id definitly go for a better cooler. Not the intel stock though as thats a piece of rubbish. For about 20$ you can either get a FOP32-1 (or 38 if you can stand the noise) or the Vantec with the 46dba monster. Both are superior price/preformance coolers and should do a good job for your particular setup. I believe both will handle the voltage you need. As you said it wasnt the ram that is the problem, the cooler is the other main thing that could be at fault. If its not the cooler then i guess its just the chip, nothing is guarenteed when it comes to overclocking, perhaps you just got 1 of the few bad ones. Well if you get a better cooler you'll be able to tell for sure.

[marty]

I wasn't saying that YOU should go back to the Intel. I was just using that as a way of explaining that some of the Orb's are worse than the Intel. I am sure some are better, too. Most on this forum think the Alpha sinks beat the Orbs. Not everyone agrees!!!

I was trying to illustrate how important heat is. And one of the intermediate steps in my cooling upgrade was to replace the thermal tape that came with one of the sinks with a thin layer of grease.

If you are not using thermal grease and want to see if heat is one of your enemies, then buy the Radio Shack grease and try it. If you like it you can always upgrade to expensive grease.

This forum is set up to try to help others overclock. We all make errors from time to time. We also don't always agree on the best way to accomplish a project. But there is a lot of help here if you want it. And I mean a lot. There are people with 100 times more knowledge than me and they are nice enough to spend their free time helping others!

[[OC]_SR20DE]

CumineO'clocker's setup configuation sux and his Orb toy gives added sux flavor to it.. If you want to stick with Orb, then know how to use it.. I mean use it effectively.. by sanding out that **** debris on the CPU surface and the surface of HSF and apply Thermal paste I said earlier you dumb moran. Listen good and dont ignore. Dont pick out only the negative things about what Marty said even though in Marty's situation, it worked for him so zip up your mouth, thank you. :) If you want help, you have to be a good listener or you will never learn how to "Overclock" little boy. hehe.. :)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Also, the "punks" (including CumineO'clocker) are not welcome in the message board so-called "Overclockers.com". This site is for the grown ups who are mature, legitimate, civil, and willing to learn how to overclock the hell out. That's the whole point. Willing to help and willing to listen is the solution. For the punks, please refer to:

http://www.Kidnergardentoyclockers.com

[OpenFriday]

ARGGG i hate it when members of the forum fight. Cant we all just get along? I would go to bed a happy man if you guys wouldnt fight.

btw-your links broken :)

[logos]

get an alpha. then crank up the voltage as high as she'll take it and burn it in at a lower fsb for awhile. then start bumping the fsb up to see high high it'll go. once you get max fsb you might even be able to lower the voltage down again...

[[OC]_SR20DE]

OpenFriday (Apr 10, 2001 08:12 p.m.):
ARGGG i hate it when members of the forum fight. Cant we all just get along? I would go to bed a happy man if you guys wouldnt fight.

btw-your links broken :)


I know... it's meant to be broken link. That's where the punks belong starring at white screen and just wait n just waiting n waiting n waiting... ;D

OpenFriday, ignore CumineO'clocker and just go to bed and have great nite. :)

[OpenFriday]

I know its a broken link, i need to go to bed, wish everyone would stop fighting. The GORB truely is not very good for overclocking. How many times have you heard "Ever since i got my new cooler i was able to get xxx more fsb and/or xxx degrees cooler" The GORB just isnt a very smart choice when it comes to overclocking with big voltages. Well i hope you two resolve your differences as its horrible going to a place you love with tension in the air. I also agree the intel HSF is horrible but im gonna try and strap it on my radeon. Be good to each other.

-OpenFriday

[Placid]

How long have you had the cpu?
Sometimes it takes a couple months for them to break in.
Also if I did my math right 10% increase in voltage would be about 1.86v
That does not seem to excessive, you say your cpu is not anywhere close to overheating now so try it and see if your temps go to high.

[CumineO'clocker]

HAHA me again (CumineO'clocker), was so toying with you guys at the beginning. I was being sarcastic... yeah. Well I am pleased to see how many responses I got just by being an out right complete ass to someone. I apologize to you all, and please forgive me. I was merely joking earlier when I said " wise ass". None of us will agree on any one thing when it comes to computers. I agree that the Golden Orb sux compared to many other coolers, however my arguement was that it is better than the Intel cooler HANDSDOWN. Yes it sux, I am upgrading to a water cooling. However as much as you all say the Orb sux it does keep my prized Cumine at 75F. I would hope you all agree that ain't to shabby. I love you all, and your right I am a little boy, and I am playing in a big boys computer world. I will try to adjust before you guys kick my ass. Thanks for the repsonse and PEACE

[p5]

erm no! gorb does NOT suck.

it is a good heatsink for intel cpus. its just all these amd pricks come on and say its crap just coz amd cpu's are out of the golden orb's cooling abilities(i.e. much higher thermal wattage).

if u look around on many reviews, the golden orb performs the same as a fop32 on intel cpus.

so dont go saying it's crap. i severely went through a time when i thought i wanted a fop32 or taisol742 for my p3 600e (@800mhz) coz ppl kept on saying the gorb was crap. but i did some proper research for days, found that overall, it wasnt worth the bother to get the same cooling and lose one dimm and have a lot louder noise.

keep the gorb.

p5

[Door Knob]

p5 (Apr 12, 2001 04:27 p.m.):

if u look around on many reviews, the golden orb performs the same as a fop32 on intel cpus.



Could you please post a link to an article that says that the Gorb cools equally well as the fop32. I have never seen a reputable source publishing findings that would suggest the gorb does a good of job as the fop32 and would be interested if one does suggest that. I must agree with Friday that there was way too much mud slinging going on in this thread by both sides. Although it was foolish for the kid who started this thread to atack some of the members who have been here much longer. Also the term coppermine reffers to processors that run @ 133fsb unlike your 700E.

[engjohn]

Door Knob (Apr 12, 2001 04:49 p.m.):
p5 (Apr 12, 2001 04:27 p.m.):

if u look around on many reviews, the golden orb performs the same as a fop32 on intel cpus.


Also the term coppermine reffers to processors that run @ 133fsb unlike your 700E.

Actually, not to take sides here but coppermine refers to the new core of the p///. "E" was used to denote a coppermine core when the CPU's overlapped, a 550 was a Katmai and the 550E was the Coppermine. The letter "B" is used to denote a 133Mhz FSB
Before the coppermine was the Katmai core(with 512k of cache external to the CPU core)
If you look at the stepping the first letter refers to the core, second econd letter refers to the revision, and I cannot recall what the third number refers to .
cC0 = is a coppermine of the third revision, as opposed to a cA0 or a cB0.
kA0, kB0 etc refer to the Katmai core.

[batboy]

Coppermine also refers to the Celeron II flip chips. I have a Golden Orb that I lapped and used Arctic Silver on. It worked quite well with my old C-566 @ 850 for over six months. But, when I tried using it when I was attempting 950 and 978, it was not up to the task. I slapped a GlobalWin FOP38 on it instead and I was back into the thick of things again. From my experience, the Gorb fizzes out above 900 MHz and probably should not be used at voltages above 1.8 or so.

Let's not start any flame wars here. There are somethings you should never joke about. Personal attacks and name calling is NEVER acceptable. However, since there was an apology offered, I say let's forget it and move on to more important things, like computer tweaking and sex. :)

[gdog]

Guys there are obviously a lot of confoosed peeps out there with regards to the orb.
First, if you bought some POS 3rd party plastic 1000rpm fan lookin piece of jumk, theu not only are u dumb, but you didnt get a real orb.There are like a million orb rip offs which all blow.
Get a TITAN MAJESTY, they are the real deal and have never seen me wrong.Great temps good overclockin results etc.
Firingsquad never used a different fan for overclocking tests on all their systems.That must say something.
Yer their are better fans, but ive had an orb take a p3 700e to 1050mhz.Does that suck??nope.
If you want somethin cooler, then buy somethin with the new 7000rpm delta fan, and have your house sound like an airport. :)

[[OC]_SR20DE]

gdog (Apr 12, 2001 07:16 p.m.):

If you want somethin cooler, then buy somethin with the new 7000rpm delta fan, and have your house sound like an airport. :)



hahaha... Boeinnggggggg... haha }=0

[Bartman]

batboy (Apr 12, 2001 06:35 p.m.):
Coppermine also refers to the Celeron II flip chips. I have a Golden Orb that I lapped and used Arctic Silver on. It worked quite well with my old C-566 @ 850 for over six months. But, when I tried using it when I was attempting 950 and 978, it was not up to the task. I slapped a GlobalWin FOP38 on it instead and I was back into the thick of things again. From my experience, the Gorb fizzes out above 900 MHz and probably should not be used at voltages above 1.8 or so.

Let's not start any flame wars here. There are somethings you should never joke about. Personal attacks and name calling is NEVER acceptable. However, since there was an apology offered, I say let's forget it and move on to more important things, like computer tweaking and sex. :)

With NO case cooling, a stock Golden Orb (with crap thermal grease) ran my Celeron 566 @ 952 just fine... however, I was able to run it stable using only 1.55v.. Most people are in the 1.8v+ range at those speeds, so I'm sure it makes a LOT more heat @ 1.80 vs. 1.55, but for me, even without any case fans it was the "perfect" cooler... quite, cheap and did the job...

My cousion bought it to put on his PIII700E he just got... I told him it wasnt a great idea, he's shooting for 933, (he has ok case cooling) and the Golden Orb might *just* do it if he has a good chip.

I turned my back on him for 1 minute, and he emails me excitedly saying he's running 933 @ 2.05v! I was like "Dude, your crazy! do NOT go above 1.90 with that orb... etc etc"

For now he has turned it down to stock, taking a regroup before his next attack on the O/C'n gods...

[p5]

here is one link (http://www.thetechzone.com/reviews/cooler/fop32_vs_orb).

http://www.thetechzone.com/reviews/cooler/fop32_vs_orb

i'll get another

p5

[p5]

here is another link (http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cooling/arctic_ca/pg4.html).

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cooling/arctic_ca/pg4.html
in this review you can see 1.5C difference after looping q3a and 1.75C difference after prime95.
although this one is the FKP32, u should know that the fkp32 preceeded the fop32 and if you look at reviews again, you should find that the fkp32 and fop32 perform within 0.3C with each other.

i still hate all the amd ******** that say the gorb is crap just coz it dont work for amd. the original gorb design works for p3's, all orbs for amd cpu's are indeed ****e. but for p3's, the gorb works well.

p5

i may find another link

[p5]

oh oh oh, wait a minute, here's yet another link (http://www.gamingin3d.com/fop321.shtml).

http://www.gamingin3d.com/fop321.shtml

i hope that has changed ur mind now

p5

[surlyjoe]

If you think its a heat issue , before you do anything ,get a can of air, turn it upside down ,and blast the crap outta your heatsink with the liquid that comes out ,,wait a second for it to evaporate off, and then try booting it ,,if it was heat holding you back ,,you'll know right away :)