How to: Softmod your 9800NP/Pro into XT.

[DDR-PIII]

This article will involve flashing your video card's BIOS to that of the Radeon 9800XT which will void any warranties which you may currently have on your card. I do not take no responsibility if you kill your video card.


Let The Action Begin

Before we flash our 9800's we need to prepare ourselves with what we will need to flash the BIOS. Below is a list/link to everything you will need:

* An ATI Radeon 9800NP or Pro capable of 412MHz core clock and 365MHz (730MHz DDR) memory clock
* Flashrom v2.40 (Can be downloaded here (http://66.197.212.86/downloads/ATI/Utils/FlashROM/FlashROM.v2.40.zip) )
* A copy of the ATi Radeon 9800XT BIOS (Can be downloaded Samsung Mem here (http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/ATI.9800XT.256.Samsung.031023.bin) or Hynix Mem here (http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/ATI.9800XT.256.Hynix25.031003.bin))
* A bootable floppy disk (Can be downloaded here (ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/utilities/drdos/drdflash.exe))
* The desire to have a 9800XT for a fraction of the cost

Now that we know exactly what we need lets begin to flash this bad boy, shall we? Ok, you will begin by creating your bootable floppy disk and placing the extracted flashrom files (DOS4GW.exe, FLASHROM.exe, FLASHROM.rom). Once you have moved these files over to the disk you can place the BIOS file (The one you downloaded) on the disk and prepare to flash. Once you restart your PC with the floppy disk in the drive you should see "Caldera Dr.Dos 2.xx" on your screen. Once everything is loaded you are ready to flash. Before you flash however, I recommend backing up your current BIOS by typing " flashrom -s 0 original.bin" at the A:\ prompt. Your BIOS is now saved to the floppy disk and you can use this in case of a bad flash.

Now you are finally ready to flash. After the BIOS has been saved to your floppy type "flashrom -p 0 9800XT.bin". Flashrom should begin to flash your BIOS and you should see a final message saying "6xxxx of 6xxxx bytes verified". Once you see this message your 9800 is successfully flashed with the Radeon 9800XT BIOS. Now restart your system and continue to install the drivers of your choice. A word of caution, after flashing your monitor may flicker off while loading windows. This is normal and your monitor should return in the on mode within a few seconds. Also when you are installing your video drivers the same thing will take place. Do not worry people, this is normal.

If you have followed these steps you should now have a fully functional Radeon 9800XT.

If you have problems using the method above try the method below which I have tryed and tested sucessfuly

First of all take flashrom & the bios you will be flashing and put them into "C:\flashrom"

Make sure you have the bootdisk read, boot into dos, once in dos itll say "A:"

type "C: <press enter>"

then type "cd flashrom <press enter>" that will take you into "c:\flashrom"

once in there backup your bios by typing "flashrom -s 0 ORIG.BIN <press enter>" that will make a copy of your original bios and it'll put it into "C:\flashrom" as "ORIG.BIN".

after you've done that load the XT bios by typing

"flashrom -s p 9800XT.BIN <press enter> "
after you've done that it should tell you that its done and restart.


-DDR

[login211]

if only the article was for converting a 9700pro to a 9800pro/xt :/

[tom10167]

Uncanny, I was just thinking the EXACT same thing? Oh well, a damn fine article. What WOULD happen if you put an XT BIOS on a 9700?

[skinnychicken]

It worked for me! I have a Sapphire 9800 pro / 128mb. However, do not use the .bin file from the above post for 128mb cards! Go to the link below to get the correct version for you.


http://www.3dmaxx.net/articles/xtflash/files/bios.shtml

Edit - The link is down now, but this thread has grown since then. Other links have become available.

[PreservedSwine]

I slapped an R9800 BIOS on my soft-modded R9500np...works fine, but it didn't really gain more that 1% in before and after benches, nor did it help my overclocking....

However, that means that SOME R9700 and SOME R9800 BIOS' are compatable:)

(It took about 1 dozen BIOS' before I found one that worked!)

[=ACID RAIN=]

Thank you for this thread. I will get my 9800np tonight and within a day or two I'll test out the XT bios ;)

[login211]

PreservedSwine what exactly happened when you flashed a bios that wasn't compatible??

[Dc5e]

not sure what exactly happens, but i'm guessing it just won't display anything...... then all you do is get another gfx card and reflash it

[LogRus]

Originally posted by DDR-PIII
*An ATI Radeon 9800NP or Pro capable of 412MHz core clock and 365MHz (730MHz DDR) memory clock


So that means the card should be OC'ed to these speeds, tested and only then flashed? Or you know the list of the specific brands that would easily do the flash? (saphire for ex.)

P.S. Don't own one of those yet, thinking of buying one tho, but deciding on this ATI or Nvidia FX5900 flashed to 5950U. And great thread btw! :D

[DDR-PIII]

All lcards are different, but yeah, if it's tested at those speeds, and stable "soild" with no crashes or the like, and not artifacts:) then i would do the flash.

What happens if you do the flash and it dosent work ? ok I'll tell you :) I did the flash on a friends 9800Pro, i did the steps ;) but for some reason after it booted it there were atrifacts and checkers, so i wass like *sigh*, hes was all "MY CARD, MYCARD" i told him not to worry, i knew my way to flash the bios on the crad and so i did that ;), i went back into windows, checked the bios that i used and just tryed a different one :) and that worked well :)

[chiyau]

I tried flashing my HIS 9800Pro to HIS 9800XT but all i got was Artifacts and Lines on my monitor, so i gues i should try another bios.

hmm which to choose..

[kct2]

Originally posted by DDR-PIII
I do not take no responsibility if you kill your video card.


Watch those double negatives.;)

[__TRONIK__]

so what is the point unless you jsut want it to default to xt clocks? why not just write a bios with your max overclock?

[DDR-PIII]

mem timings, you can get higher mem speeds with the bioses :)

[__TRONIK__]

thats what i thought. Weird though, I would not think that was desirable since in mobo situations it is better to run your dimms on tighter timings than with a couple more fsb. Guess it is different in agp land?

[Ginge®Fella™]

just outa interest shouldent this thread be called (How to: Hardmod your 9800NP/Pro into XT) because as far as i know a softmod is where u use software to adjust you card, but this involves flashing your card.

[__TRONIK__]

a hardmod is actually physically changing the hardware, ie a voltmod. This is a form of softmod since a bios is just a software program.

[Steven4563]

Great thread :D

[glock19owner]

Just flashed my Powercolor 9800 Pro with the latest one for the Powercolor 128MB series. Worked like a charm...even though the PC's are slightly underclocked in the memory...mine took to the XT memory speeds without any issues...no artifacts and no tears using the highest graphic settings with AA 8x on CoD and 2001...using the latest Omega drivers...

Sweet little mod I will say...gotta love spending 125.00 for a 9800XT :D

[hkh]

I want to do this but do I use the bios at the top or another.
I have a ATI9800pro made by ATI.

[DDR-PIII]

the bios at the top? if you click the link itll bring you to a page with a bunch of xt bioses'.

http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm

[hkh]

ok do I use the Built by one.

[DDR-PIII]

yeah, if yours is built by ATI :)

[__TRONIK__]

glock your 9800p was only $125!?!??!?

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by __TRONIK__
glock your 9800p was only $125!?!??!?

Well, long story short. Had to go buy a new VC for the living room system. Went to a store owned by a friend of mine and ended up walking out with a 9800 Pro retail version for 125.00. They had it sitting around for the last month when the customer backed out of the system they were supposed to build for them. And Brent didnt want to replace his 5950U with the 9800 Pro.

[blackjackel]

what about 9800pro aiw?

[noble2501]

Great thread!

I'm in the business of getting a decent video card. And I've been seriously looking at the 9800 XT, but this thread has sprung up a few questions:

- Is there some difference (in performance) between the softmodded pro and the original xt?

- I'm looking at getting a club3d radeon 9800 pro, what steps would I need to take to mod this card?

- Should I get some OTHER card rather than the club3d?

Thanks for Ur help!

[hkh]

Umm the difference is that the 9800XT runs cooler and comes with DD2 standerd. you will also be able to overclock it better then a 9800pro, but for the money its good.

[chiyau]

you can clock the Pro to run at XT speeds and save $$$

[DeathONator]

After flashing will 3dMark 01SE and 03 think your card is an XT or will the score still be for a Pro?

Anyone been able to reach a higher, no artifacts, core clock? It's all about the 3dMark for me :) .

Also, uhh does it affect the effects of vmodding the card at all, or anything? whenever I do decide to the vmod.

[$anch3z]

nice thread DDR PIII was just gonna post something on advice about just this matter :D
will give it go now and report back my results .....if i can squeeze some more mhz outta my core and ram i'll be a happy bunny:D

btw Sticky!!!!

[piraterocker7]

ok, here's a question i have a made by ati 9800np and im not sure of how high it can go, but couldn't I flash it to get the timeings and then lower the clock speeds with an oc utility such as rage 3d tweak or ATItool?

-me

[$anch3z]

check this link out it was in another thread it tests your highest mhz for core and mem http://atitool.ocfaq.com/

btw where is the DOS4GW.EXE i cant find it:confused: uber noob here btw


DOH!!! found it

[$anch3z]

tried it but the bios would'nt flash ...luckily i saved my old bios but the bios bin file for the ati card was not gonna flash so i gave up
i kept on getting red flashing error messeges:confused:

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by DeathONator
After flashing will 3dMark 01SE and 03 think your card is an XT or will the score still be for a Pro?

Anyone been able to reach a higher, no artifacts, core clock? It's all about the 3dMark for me :) .

Also, uhh does it affect the effects of vmodding the card at all, or anything? whenever I do decide to the vmod.

1. It will show as a XT
2. Yes
3. Don't know since I havent modded my Pro

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by $anch3z
tried it but the bios would'nt flash ...luckily i saved my old bios but the bios bin file for the ati card was not gonna flash so i gave up
i kept on getting red flashing error messeges:confused:

what'd it say ?

[oo_7]

Originally posted by $anch3z

btw Sticky!!!!

I would 2nd that Option. This is a Great Thread, and Very Helpfull. I have DLed everything i need, but i am still concerned about messing up my 9800Pro.

Will wait for one of those days, when i am really bored and then give it a shot.:p

oo_7

[asw7576]

Originally posted by DDR-PIII


What happens if you do the flash and it dosent work ? ok I'll tell you :) I did the flash on a friends 9800Pro, i did the steps ;) but for some reason after it booted it there were atrifacts and checkers, so i wass like *sigh*, hes was all "MY CARD, MYCARD" i told him not to worry, i knew my way to flash the bios on the crad and so i did that ;), i went back into windows, checked the bios that i used and just tryed a different one :) and that worked well :)

what a friend...... :eek:

anyway.... I got the red message too, saying bios is not compatible.

[$anch3z]

ok well it was getting late last night (3am) but just reread thread and triued again this morning

same error messege as last night "serial rom "bios.name.bin" file open error

then flashing red "ERROR 0FL01":eek:

dunno what that means but just reflashed my saved bios just in case;)

[asw7576]

OK... I did flashed my gigabyte 9800pro 128mb successfully now.

With ATIFLASH.EXE, it won't flash because bios is not compatible.
So forget this atiflash utility.

With FLASHROM.EXE, it flashed okay. Here is what I did:

I rename the long name ATI.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin to 9800XT.BIN

I copied Flashrom.exe, flashrom.rom, Dos4gw.exe ( copy it from atiflash ), 9800XT.BIN to drive D

I'm booting from CD-ROM, I have bootable Win98 CD-ROM that allows me to have DOS environment. I reboot and select "start with cd-rom support".

I swicthed to D:\ drive and I typed exactly like this:

D:\FLASHROM.EXE -p 0 d:9800XT.BIN

that's it.

If you get " ERROR 0FL01 " just follow the instruction to press 1

and you repeat again.

Make sure you have the original bios as back up..... important.

The result: nothing..... same OC 439/371 but I've got 300 extra points in 3dmark03 to 6800+.

Artifacts?? yes, in elephant and troll suicide jump benchmarks. Before XT bios flash? no artifacts. Anyway ..... I will keep this xt for a while and see this mod will last until when.

[The Big One]

Gr8 thread

[asw7576]

I get weird artifacts in elephant and troll suicide jump test (3dmark03) after I did 9800xt bios flash. My overclocking mhz remain the same after the flash (439/371). I use original ati 9800xt 128mb bios version.

Now, who else get weird artifacts in elephant and troll suicide jump test ?? white snows in elephant's legs and weird blazing artifacts in troll's suicide jump.

[noble2501]

Ok, I'm on a low budget and I'd like to buy some 9800 np or pro and flash it to xt. Are there any considerations on which to get and by what manufacturer?
Also great thread, plz sticky! ;)

[DDR-PIII]

I'd suggest Sapphire :)

[fldrice]

I don't really recomend this mod as the 9800NP doesn't share the same pcb with the XT. A couple of the guys over at rage3d tried this a few months back, and they ran into stability issues. For all of you people out there with samsung memory modules on your NP the best bios file is the one below..

[piraterocker7]

don't get a np, ihavn't been able to clock up my mem fast enough to handle the 730 ddr clock speeds (infineon chips on a made by ati card), but my core can do about 420 (at least) it's a rv350 i think

-me

[fldrice]

Heres the BIOS. Runing 420/380 on stock cooling. 420/400 with ramsinks.

[jonas007]

I have a gigabyte 9800 Pro 128. Does that mean I have to use the gigabyte bios, or can I use a different brand?

[jonas007]

Also, how do I know if my card has samsung chips?

[fldrice]

You are going to have to look at the chips. Especially for the cas3.3 ones.

[blackjackel]

i asked once (ignored) so i'll ask again.

what about AIW 9800 cards?

Nothing have been said about those =/

[fldrice]

The bios flash does not work on AIW cards. You probably need upgrade your cooling and just stick with the stock bios, as AIW cards contain more heat producing components.

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by blackjackel
i asked once (ignored) so i'll ask again.

what about AIW 9800 cards?

Nothing have been said about those =/

yeah it cant be done to the AIW's, because if you did what would be the point of having a vivo card etc... and the just get rid of that for the XT name ? cause the bioses are really different, so no, it cant be done.

[jonas007]

Ok, my chips say Samsung 316. Are those the right ones, and how many ns are they?

[fldrice]

Underneath the samsung look for:
K4D263238E-GCxx

*the 33 stands for 3.3ns
This is the ram on my card before I installed the ramsinks.

http://a.1asphost.com/xxxvietboi/r9800%20ramchips.JPG

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by fldrice
[B]Underneath the samsung look for:
K4D263238E-GC33
*the 33 stands for 3.3ns

Do you happen to know what the K4D263238A GC2A timing is?

[jonas007]

2.8ns
K4D26323RA-GC2A 350MHz 700Mbps/pin

3.3ns
K4D26323RA-GC33 300MHz 600Mbps/pin

3.6ns
K4D26323RA-GC36 275MHz 550Mbps/pin

Found this on another site. Hope this helps.

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by jonas007
2.8ns
K4D26323RA-GC2A 350MHz 700Mbps/pin

Yes this does, thank you. The more I look at it, the more I am liking this find I found for my 9800 Pro...

I have the GC2A chips on my Powercolor :D...

[fldrice]

If you have K4D263238E-GCxx modules, then you should flash to the BIOS I uploaded.

[glock19owner]

I already did the XT BIOS Flash...used the second version for the PC 128MB card...am able to OC higher then using the first version and score slightly higher on default settings then the first version...

What changes did you make in your version?

[fldrice]

9800Pros originally were built with RA-GC2A memory. Those chips went out of production at
Samsung in September '03 (the last order date was August '03) so during the August to October
time frame the cards were switched over to Samsung 8E-GC2A chips.

The bios issue is very simple. If you have Samsung RA chips use the P/N 113-A07502-102 bios dated
4/4/03 (PowerColor bios).

If you have Samsung 8E chips use the P/N 113-A07518-100 dated 8/29/03
(Giga-Cube Ultimate Extreme bios clocked 398/351 stock).
The one I uploaded

Otherwise the other versions of the bios can be found here (http://softmod.ocfaq.com/bios.php)

[glock19owner]

The one I flashed to was the "PowerColor 128MB "XT" BIOS #2 PowerColor Radeon 9800 "XT" 128MB Samsung (Quite fast...)" from the download link on the start of the thread, not sure of the date...

I have no issues running at 412/365 with stock HS and no ramsinks and can go up to 465/384 before I get artifacts...can get a few runs in before the card starts to overheat and then get tears and rips...but I just turn it back down to 412/365 and all gone...

First of all, is this the same BIOS you are talking about and if not, do you see a benifit in running the one you pointed out..."P/N 113-A07502-102 bios dated 4/4/03 (PowerColor bios)"?

[$anch3z]

so for my BBA card do i need the bios for the ati xt? tried loads of times with the other bios at the beginning of the thread and i get the same error messege over and over:confused: ???

[DDR-PIII]

this is the bios you shoud needto use.

http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/files/ATI.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin

[$anch3z]

is there something i'm doing wrong here or what!!??

i have tried these commands and still get the same messege

A:\flashrom -p 0 ATI.bin

A:\flashrom -p 0 a:ATI.bin.bin

btw i renamed the bios ATI.bin ....i get the same "file open" error every time with the flashing red "0FL01" grrrr

[DDR-PIII]

the way i done it :P i just put flashrom and the .bin into c:\flashrom

i bottup up into dos, then did c: <enter>
cd flashrom <enter> that took me into the dir and i just typed

flashrom -s 0 ORIG.BIN to back up the original bios :)

ocne that was done i loaded the other .bin from my current dir so i typed

flashrom -p 0 MOD.BIN to load the modded .BIN :) and that worked


try the blow...

first of all take flashrom & the bios you will be flashing and put them into c:\flashrom

makesure you have the bootdisk read, boot into dos, once in dos itll say "A:"

type "C: "

then type "cd flashrom " that will take you into c:\flashrom

once in there backup your bios by typing "flashrom -s 0 ORIG.BIN " that will make a copy of your original bios and it'll put it into "c:\flashrom" as ORIG.BIN.

after you've done that load the XT bios my typing

"flashrom -s p ATI.BIN<press enter> "
after you've done that it shoudl tell you that its done and restart.

[Damian]

My core can only do 400 :( Would it be wise to do the softmod and then clock the core down and the mem up?

[DDR-PIII]

No i wouldnt do it, i wouldnt want to damage the card, maybe try some better cooling on the card and after tis got better cooling it can maybe do 412 soild, then i would flash it :)

[Damian]

Meh, I wouldn't spend $10 just for 12 more mhz; guess I'm fine as I am.

*realizes what site he is on*
*runs*

[fldrice]

XT BIOS can be incompatible and cause stability problems. I seriously recomend most 9800 PRO/NP owners to stick to the PRO BIOS. Try a few different ones and see which one works out best. Especially Damian since your core can only do 400.

[asw7576]

Originally posted by $anch3z
is there something i'm doing wrong here or what!!??

i have tried these commands and still get the same messege

A:\flashrom -p 0 ATI.bin

A:\flashrom -p 0 a:ATI.bin.bin

btw i renamed the bios ATI.bin ....i get the same "file open" error every time with the flashing red "0FL01" grrrr

Don't bother to flash........, I switched back to original bios. It gives me crazy artifacts and tearing in 3dmark03. However, no problem in 3dmark01SE. XT bios also gives me 300 more points in 3dmark03,

OC wise?? same OC 439/371.

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by asw7576


Don't bother to flash........, I switched back to original bios. It gives me crazy artifacts and tearing in 3dmark03. However, no problem in 3dmark01SE. XT bios also gives me 300 more points in 3dmark03,

OC wise?? same OC 439/371.

The tearing you see in 03 is a bug that futuremark is supposed to be working on...there are a few threads over at their forum on the issue...

[blackjackel]

so how many points 3dmark 2003 or 2001 we talking about?

from non flashed to flashed XT?


Cant wait for the 9800XT AIW's to come out so i can flash my card! =)

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by blackjackel
Cant wait for the 9800XT AIW's to come out so i can flash my card! =)

Thought ATI said they werent going to make any AIW XT's...

[blackjackel]

they did?

you just burst my bubble...

now ima look around and find out if thats really true

[glock19owner]

I dont know if its true, but I did hear that on either TSS or X Play...

[blackjackel]

found what seems to be 9800XT AIW's:


http://www.xpcgear.com/geforce9800xt.html


http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?p=77157#post77157

both same thing, asus.

The bios is calling to me! "flash meeeee flash meeeee"

should i do it?

:D

[glock19owner]

Those look like normal XT's to me...

Originally posted by blackjackel
The bios is calling to me! "flash meeeee flash meeeee"

should i do it?

:D

Go streek your card...

[glock19owner]

Second thought...the way things have been going for you...might want to wait...you might end up doing this http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/1203/crash.gif

[blackjackel]

is there a bios flash recover utility incase the card goes nuts?


and does flashing an ATI card with an ASUS cards bios work?

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by blackjackel
is there a bios flash recover utility incase the card goes nuts?
and does flashing an ATI card with an ASUS cards bios work?

The program will ask you to save your original BIOS...

And I wouldnt try to flash with anything other then your brands BIOS...

[blackjackel]

what good does saving the old bios if your card wont even post because the original bios is messed up.


Is it possible to recover from a bad bios flash on those cards where the card wont even post anymore?

and why are you not on AIM =P

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by blackjackel
what good does saving the old bios if your card wont even post because the original bios is messed up.


Is it possible to recover from a bad bios flash on those cards where the card wont even post anymore?

and why are you not on AIM =P

If you download the programs on the first post of this thread...it will have you make a bootable disk..non windows...

So if you have tested your card already to make sure it will do the XT speeds...then flashing to the XT BIOS shouldnt be a problem...as long as you flash to your own makers BIOS ;)

I was only joking about crashing your system in the above post ;)

[blackjackel]

you still didnt respond to what i was asking or i am not sure if you did or not...


lets say i flash my 9800 bios to a (lets go to the extreme here) ATI 9000 or hey.... a NVIDIA card (i know i went to far).


What would happen?? What would happen if i flashed my bios with garbage?

can i recover from that?

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by blackjackel
lets say i flash my 9800 bios to a (lets go to the extreme here) ATI 9000 or hey.... a NVIDIA card (i know i went to far).

Wouldnt happen since they are totally different BIOS's...

Now flashing say a Powercolor with a Asus BIOS...not sure if it is possible in the first place and not sure what would happen if you could flash it to a Asus BIOS...but in a situation like that...better safe then no video card...

And arent you running the 9800 Pro AIW?

Those cant be softmodded to the XT's...been stated above ;)

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by blackjackel
is there a bios flash recover utility incase the card goes nuts?


and does flashing an ATI card with an ASUS cards bios work?

the same one you used to flash it in the first place ;), its pretty easy to do blind, i've done it before, jsut follow the steps, you dont even need to look at the screen :)

[blackjackel]

Great! you mean if i flashed my bios wrong and it was all scrambled and need to reflash...

that i can restore my bios?

thats great news.

[DDR-PIII]

Yeah, just follow the instructions you used on ho to flash your bios, do everything accept for make a copy ;) because obviusly you've dont that "or else your not going to be able to fix it".

So ummm yeah just load the bios that you backedup and that should get everything running good agian :)

[blackjackel]

great, now all thats left to wonder, is if i flash my ATI AIW bios with a ASUS AIW bios if it would work...

maybe someone will hack the 9800PRO AIW bios and add 9800XT support

great article btw, great job ;)

[DDR-PIII]

Nah, I dont think it could be done, you'd be better of just OCing the 9800Pro AIT to 9800XT speeds, if it can do those speeds :)

[blackjackel]

would it run the same speed if it was oc'd to XT speeds as if it was flashed to XT bios? OR slower?

If so by how many points?

[DDR-PIII]

I'm not really sure, but if you do miss out on any points its probably going to be only a few so i wouldnt worry, of you are sell the AIW and but a pro, then flash it with the XT bios :p haha :)

[fldrice]

versions of the bios can be found here (http://softmod.ocfaq.com/bios.php)

[DDR-PIII]

spamming that enough ?:P

[fldrice]

blackjackel said...what good does saving the old bios if your card wont even post because the original bios is messed up.
I mistook the post as he had lost his original bios file and wanted to find it. My bad...

[DDR-PIII]

sorry bout that ;)

[Cerberus2k7]

Originally posted by blackjackel
i asked once (ignored) so i'll ask again.

what about AIW 9800 cards?

Nothing have been said about those =/

Probably be able to do it when they come out with a AIW 9800xt :p

[train0r]

first: DAMN NICE THREAD!
2nd: are there any risks in modding my Sapphire 9800Pro (I`ll get it tomorrow :P) to an XT, furthermore can I kill it with flashing it, even if it ran the xt clocks without a problem? Or can I just Flash it, and if there are any problems reflash?

[Propilot]

Am I screwed on this bios mod?

I looked at that bios page and there is nothing on the FIC XT cards.

By the way, these are great overclockers. Stock cooling, I can run the core at 450 with no problems.

[DDR-PIII]

Yeha i guess you, you can always download flashrom and RADedit, make a copy of your bios, then open it up in RADedit and set the stock core/mem speeds higher :)

[login211]

train0r you should be able to reflash, it's just that you may have to do it blindly(your screen may be destorted), just save the original bios

i flashed my 9700pro to a 9800pro bios, i wasn't too afraid because i have a pci vid card from ages ago, well the flash went fine but when i rebooted i couldn't see anything on my screen, there were colors all over and just crazy stuff, i just let it boot to my floppy again, blindly flashed my original bios and everything went back to normal

i tried 3 different 9800pro bioses by powercolor and none of them worked...

lesson learned :P

[tenegg]

I think this thread should be a sticky?

[Propilot]

Well the FIC card is supposed to be a copy of the ATI reference board.
You think ATI's bios would work?

[Strida]

It might work. Try it out and if it doesn't you'll have to blind flash, which isn't too hard.

Anyways, I was just wondering if these were the same Pro > XT mods that everyone was having trouble with @ rage3d. I know that they were trying to flash to XT and that it never worked 100 percent for anyone who tried it.

Also, are the bugs that someone said are in 3dsmark 2k3 in other games, or just the 3dsMark for some reason?

[DDR-PIII]

ONLY 3dmark :) 1 part.

[tweaker]

Originally posted by chiyau
I tried flashing my HIS 9800Pro to HIS 9800XT but all i got was Artifacts and Lines on my monitor, so i gues i should try another bios.

hmm which to choose..

your memory speed is way high on the flash(i would assume you have the slower memory.BE CAREFULL as to this can make your card die a quick death..

later radman

[EternalX]

if i have a built by ati 128mb 9800pro, should i use the 256mb ati 9800xt bios or is there another one?

[DDR-PIII]

no...since you dont have 256MB of mem, you wont be using that one.

so you'll use the one below.

http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/files/ATI.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin

[EternalX]

thank you! i looked around at a few sites but i was confused at which one to get. I scored 6123 on 3dMark03 at 450/363 so we'll see what happens!

[EternalX]

that bios isnt working so well. ive got the latest omega drivers installed, and clocked at 450/360, and i get ghosting in the 2nd game test. Doesnt look too promising, so i think ill be going back to pro. any suggestions? could i be using a wrong bios? are there any others for built by ati 9800pro? i didnt have any problems at those clock rates before and could play games for hours on ends on max settings and have no problems :(

[fldrice]

That's because the XT bios can cause image quality problems on non XT cards. In my opinion, if you don't have a newer pro that shares the XT's pcb(see pic bellow), don't flash to the XT bios.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-340-01.JPG

[Axis]

Originally posted by Propilot
Well the FIC card is supposed to be a copy of the ATI reference board.
You think ATI's bios would work?

Yes I have one and I flashed it with the ati ref bios. no probs here.

[LogRus]

Originally posted by fldrice
That's because the XT bios can cause image quality problems on non XT cards. In my opinion, if you don't have a newer pro that shares the XT's pcb (see pic bellow), don't flash to the XT bios.



So this one might not work right (pics below)? I think it should as many got it working + there is a 128MB BIOS for it. (http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm)

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-268-05.JPG
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-268-03.JPG

[Saphire RADEON 9800 Pro 128MB]

Great thread! Make it **STICKY!** :D

[DeathONator]

Yeah, it's hard to tell. Are the new one the ones w/ 2 memory chips on the top and 2 on the end. Or the ones w/ 4 on top? Or is that not what I should be looking at?

[fldrice]

Look at the capicitor placement on the board. Anyways, I have an older NP with the Samsung 8E chips and I use the P/N 113-A07518-100 dated 8/29/03 (Giga-Cube Ultimate Extreme bios clocked 398/351 stock). I get 414/380 totally stable on stock cooling and 400mhz on the ram after I added some ramsinks.

[DeathONator]

Sticky this... hello? :)

[DeviIman]

I have a Connect3D 9800Pro 128meg, which under the display controls is just listed as "Radeon 9800 Pro"

Does this mean I can just use the ATI bios? I cant seem to find a Connect3D 9800XT 128meg Bios anywhere :(

(its an early model, Samsung 2.8ns K4D26323RA-GC2A 350MHz 700Mbps/pin memory chips)

Anyone able to recommend a bios I can use ?

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by DeathONator
Sticky this... hello? :)

they must be sleepin i think :p

[xiaolanhua]

This is the current BIOS of my 9800 Pro with Samsung K4D26323RA-GC2A RAM...

http://www3.telus.net/public/justinye/Temp/9800_BIOS.jpg


What XT BIOS should I use to flash?

Thank you very much!!!


Computer Maniac ;)

[t1mex]

i know this isnt 100% with the topic, but its awful close:

could i use the flashrom program, download the appropriate BIOS, and flash the BIOS of my ATi 9600 (non-pro) to a 9600 pro or XT? would this work the same with a 9600 as with the 9800?

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by xiaolanhua
This is the current BIOS of my 9800 Pro with Samsung K4D26323RA-GC2A RAM...

http://www3.telus.net/public/justinye/Temp/9800_BIOS.jpg


What XT BIOS should I use to flash?

Thank you very much!!!


Computer Maniac ;)

who makes it, ATi ?

[pkrew]

Originally posted by fldrice
That's because the XT bios can cause image quality problems on non XT cards. In my opinion, if you don't have a newer pro that shares the XT's pcb(see pic bellow), don't flash to the XT bios.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-340-01.JPG

Those are actually XTs that for whatever reason weren't totally up to snuff and relabeled as pros. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29788. They have r360 cores and 2.5ns Hynix for memory.

[DeviIman]

As posted earlier, my card is a Connect3D 128meg 9800Pro, which acording to the device properties, has "Device Manufacturer" listed as "ATI Technologies Inc."

Does this mean I can use one of the bios's labelled as ATI 9800XT 128meg?

[G2145]

that picture above looks just like the one i got off of ebay, all the indicators say it's an actual ati radeon 9800 pro...but mine had an aluminum ramsink on the 8 small chips near the vga connector...i am puzzled....don't know if it's a sapphire,real ati or what

mine has the samsung 2.8ns memory chips

[G2145]

i still can't get the flash to work..i get a file open error...i tried ati's and sapphire's bioses

[busta`]

Do Radeon 9800SE's work with this mod?

[DDR-PIII]

Originally posted by ßùStä·
Do Radeon 9800SE's work with this mod?

nope =/

[jkay]

Wow that's alot of posts for this thread.. ok first of all


*BUMP*


and second of all, where's the link to get a 9800 pro Powercolor to be a XT and I'll have it being cooled by a A/C wall unit ( air conditioned )

does this bios flashing cause it to heat up a little more?

[fldrice]

xiaolanhua, you should really go back and read the thread especially page3 *wink wink...

[TheMadStork]

Anyone try the bios for a Gigabyte 9800 Pro? According to that site it says "Gigabyte Radeon 9800 "XT" 128MB Samsung (this bios was little weard, so you probably dont want to use it)"

I'm gonna try it anyway, was just wondering if anyone else has :)

[Xymurgy]

I'm going to bump this since it's almost at page 5, and has some good info in it. Also bumping it b/c I did the mod and am happy with the results.

[kfc]

this is the ram that I have on my Sapphire 9800PRO 128mb

samsung 336
k4d263238e-gcz2

wvj072pza

and i have not been able to get any version of the ATI or Sapphire bios to work :/

HELP!!!

Thanks

[Xymurgy]

I'm using a Hercules BIOS with a Sapphire card. I think the most important thing is that you get the memory to match up. So I'd look for a BIOS that has 128MB of the Samsung memory.

[jmfcst]

OK, I need help with the basics: How do I overclock my Sapphire 9800 Pro to see if it is a candidate for this mod? My motherboard is a P4C800-E Deluxe with an Intel P4 2.8C which is stable OC'd to 3.4GHz...

[Sophisticated]

Originally posted by $anch3z
check this link out it was in another thread it tests your highest mhz for core and mem http://atitool.ocfaq.com/

btw where is the DOS4GW.EXE i cant find it:confused: uber noob here btw


DOH!!! found it

does this tool really work that good

[jmfcst]

OK, I found the ATI Tool.

Started with 5830 in 03 with stock settings on Sapphire 9800Pro.

Used ATITool to overclock but artifacts start showing up with the slightest of tweaks. What am I doing wrong? I have a large case with 7 case fans with one fan in the side door blowing right on the video card, and only other card is my sound card which is several slots over.

I am overclocking my P4 2.8 to 3.4, so could this be adding enough heat to keep me from overclocking my 9800?

[Shady Records]

STICKY!!!

[gastro54]

is there any way to do this using a bootable CD-ROM?

[Shady Records]

as long as you dont have to write to the cd yeah.

[Sentential]

:mad: :mad: :mad: The Frickin thing refuses to flash. I'd appreciate any help I keep getting the same damn error.

ERROR: 0FL01
Cannot Open File.

Ive tried the "C:" solution but it gives me an "invalid drive

Plz help me. I was hoping that flashing to XT would avoid a volt mod
:(

[Mojo_Cookie]

Hi !
Just got my card today and i want to know what kind of ram i have on it anyone can help out think it a new model all i can see on ram it [ HY5DU283222
[
[
[ AF-28 329A

Anyone know timing and brand dont see any samsung writen ?

Thank !

[Sentential]

HY

Hmmm that definitally sounds like Hynix.

BTW Hynix is what ATi uses on their 9800XTs. I would imagine it would flash to XT just fine

[Xymurgy]

I think I have the same memory (HY with 222 at the end). I'm using the Hercules Hynix 2.5 BIOS. I'll probably see if I can find a 2.2 BIOS, since these chips may be 2.2?

Sentinal, are you using the DOS name for the BIOS file? I used the HERCUL~1 file name in order to flash.

[Sentential]

no I havent tried that yet....brb

[skinnychicken]

Originally posted by Sentential
:mad: :mad: :mad: The Frickin thing refuses to flash. I'd appreciate any help I keep getting the same damn error.

ERROR: 0FL01
Cannot Open File.

Ive tried the "C:" solution but it gives me an "invalid drive

Plz help me. I was hoping that flashing to XT would avoid a volt mod
:(

Try renaming the bios file to a shorter name so DOS can read it correctly. I had the same problem when I first tried.

[DDR-PIII]

yeah something like MODXT.BIN something simple.

[tweaker]

I would hesitate on flashing the xt bios. We did our 9800np/pro and it worked for a while, then BORK!!!!

[twitch579]

flashed my 9800pro to xt like 5 hours ago, been playing games since. Didnt think it would work that easy but it did, also replaced stock cooler with old athlon cpu cooler, so should be running a littler cooler. So far no problems at around 455/374, can anybody please tell me any other benefits from flashing 9800pro to xt ?

[tehnull]

Can someone point me to an image I could use to burn a bootable cd? I have no floppy drive. I tried drdos doesn't seem to work I get a dos4gw error message.

[Kenshiro]

Did anyone run into major problems, like card dont work anymore after flashing?????

[twitch579]

i had zero problems, when it waws pro my max was around 450/364, anything past that caused bad artifacts, now with xt bios, im at around 460/374, not a single artifact anywhere. Flashing it was a little tricky and i thought i wasnt gonna be able to do it for a sec, but if u follow the instructions to a tea it will work for u, i used a bootable cd that came with a dell like 3 years ago to get into dos

[Nero]

Originally posted by Kenshiro
Did anyone run into major problems, like card dont work anymore after flashing?????

When this mod came around the first time (before this thread was even created), I tried flashing to an XT, and it caused *major* display corruption, in, well, everything (DOS, windows, games), so I flashed back. Then when they came out with all these different XT BIOS it still took my a couple of tries to find one that worked without the rampant corruption.

Also, I just found out that one can softmod their new 9800 "XT"s to FireGL X2s (FWIW, which isn't much if you're strictly a gamer). :D

As for the an XT BIOS helping my overclock, I'm just using stock cooling with AS3 and aluminum ramsinks, so I'm not getting a MHZ higher than I did with the Pro BIOS.

[Junglebizz]

the RAM on my BB ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB reads:

Samsung 328
K4D263238E-GC2A

What is the ns of my RAM?

I ran ATI tool and was able to get up to about 413/378. Would an XT bios flash be worth it?

ALSO, i have been reading about a lot of people having no success flashing the bios with the Built By ATI 128MB cards. Has anyone had any success flashing to XT with these cards?

[DDR-PIII]

either 2ms ? or 2.8, i cant remember how to read those :(

[M4D]

I was just going to ask the same question :D

Mines a Sapphire 9800 Pro 128DDR

Heres whats on my ram:
Samsung 349 BGA Memory
K4D26 - 32348E - GC2A

Board Part Number 103 - A07500 - 00

Anyone know where i can find out stuff like this ...

"EDIT"
Also what is the main differences with different memory on grfx
cards nower days anyhow :rolleyes:

[Nero]

I'm 99% positive that the GC2A designates 2.8ns chips.

[Junglebizz]

I just ordered up some ram sinks for my card because at XT speeds my 9800 PRO was starting to artifact (lines or snow) in games after a while.. Will this help with the stability of the oc'd card? If not then i will never be able to flash without problems.

[Nero]

Since your memory doesn't start artifcating right off the bat, it probably means that you're close, and ramsinks *might* help. Then again they could just sit around and look good (like mine do :D)

Why don't you find out what your maximum (artifact free) mem overclock is, instead of worrying about whether or not it will flash to an XT?

[Junglebizz]

If you really want to know what your Samsung memory chips are, check out this pdf from the samsung website. It contains descriptions of what all of the numbers and codes mean.

here (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Support/Label_CodeInfo/Graphics_code.pdf)

Turns out my 2A ram is 2.86 ns RAM rated at 350 MHz.


mmmm pretty little ramsinks... I can't wait! :D

[M4D]

Nice one im reading the .pdf as you read this :D ...
Good find mate, Your a star ;) ...

[M4D]

Originally posted by Junglebizz
If you really want to know what your Samsung memory chips are, check out this pdf from the samsung website. It contains descriptions of what all of the numbers and codes mean.

here (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/Support/Label_CodeInfo/Graphics_code.pdf)

Turns out my 2A ram is 2.86 ns RAM rated at 350 MHz.


mmmm pretty little ramsinks... I can't wait! :D

I must be blind mate, I just noticed you got same code's as me :D

We got same 2.86ns ram rated 350mhz :D ...
Pretty little ramsinks indeed, Mine runs fine in the 380's but it's hot !! ...


"EDIT"
Also is this getting stickied and or updated any time soon ?

[DDR-PIII]

yep I'll be updating it later on today :) with a bit other stuff , wish theyd stickie it :p

[DDR-PIII]

For the people who did/tryed the softmod please post your results in the following link :)

Linky (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=288584)

[dtadpole]

Didn't know if anyone posted this info yet on hynix memory but here is the data sheet for the hynix ram! I will pm DDR-III and have him list it on the first post also.Hynix Graphics memory data sheet! (http://www.hynix.com/products/dram/down/200401_GDDR.pdf)

[T'wolves]

I just bought off newegg the:

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 256MB DDRII, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -OEM
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9800PRO/380MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDRII/680MHz

And my memory chips read the following:

HY5DU573222
AFM-25 338A

and according to that Hynix page from above, the ram on my card is DDRI rated Im guessing 300mhz, but its clocked at 340mhz? The sticker on the card says its DDRII. Did i read the code totally wrong or did i just get screwed on the ram? The card is however a R360 core with XT pcb, so I will eventually flash, unless this ram cant handle it.

[JU571N]

Set your core/mem clocks to 412/365 and see if you can run it stable. The 256mb 9800pros with the r360 cores can be flashed to 9800XT bios and be a true 9800XT.

[Cerberus2k7]

Is there a way to flash to XT without the use of a floppy for us non-floppy owners? :p

And I vote sticky!

[JU571N]

You can use the c: drive method mentioned earlier in the thread, but you'll still need a way to get into a DOS enviorment. Go to best buy or something and pick up a floppy drive. They're only like 5-10 bucks.

[Nero]

You can build a bootcd using this method:

http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#clean

It gives you a couple of megabytes worth of space, which is plenty for a slew of different BIOS. I made two for myself, one that auto-flashes back to a safe BIOS I know will work, and one that doesn't autoflash, but has a ton of BIOSes on it.

[Cerberus2k7]

Originally posted by JU571N
You can use the c: drive method mentioned earlier in the thread, but you'll still need a way to get into a DOS enviorment. Go to best buy or something and pick up a floppy drive. They're only like 5-10 bucks.

I only have $7.28 in my account :D

[DDR-PIII]

buy a used one 2-3 dollars at a computer shop, one that will take old computers for cash, they should have a few laying around.

[Cerberus2k7]

Now I only have $.28 :p And it's cool, I found a floppy drive, but it don't work :( And why isnt this a sticky yet?

[DDR-PIII]

i dunno =/ so many people have asked for it to be one :( it'd be cool if it was, btw i should update my first post :)

[orionbg]

Hello All

I've spend an hour reading this tread and could not find any one using the Original ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256MB DDRII Card!!! I'm talking for the big one with 16 RAM Chips!
Any info on this one? Is it modable? Overclocking friendly?

http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/recenzje/Radeon9800Pro/gigabyte_256/zdjecie-3.jpg

This is the card I'm talking about!

[DDR-PIII]

yeah it works with them, before you flash it make sure you card can do 412/365, if it can follow the instructions on the first page, then download the following bios

http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/files/BBA.9800XT.256MB.DDR-2.Samsung.bin <-for samsung memory

http://softmod.ocfaq.com/bios/ATI.9800XT.256.Hynix25.bin <-for hynix memory

and flash that bios above onto your card:)

[Cerberus2k7]

Question, why 412/365?

EDIT: Also, would the flash make better IQ in games as opposed to just straight overclocking?

[DDR-PIII]

xt has better mem timings, dunno bout IQ, but 412/356 is the speed of xt :)

[blackshadow]

I assume the card will now show up as a 9800XT in which case could lead to people selling the nonpro's as XT's for a lot more money:eek:

[Cerberus2k7]

Cool, my pro is clocked at 432/371 right now but havent tried flashing it

[MrKiLeAk]

Only just got my Raddy (Sapphire 128MB/9800Pro) after finally leaving the Nvidia camp :)

Reading through this I see lots of mention on Samsung RAM, but my card has Hynix RAM (HY5DU283222A).

Any ideas what BIOS I should be looking for? And whats the chances I can overclock my new "red devil"

[FarEast]

well i just got back from dinner with my family and I have had a few beers So i decided that this dutch courage (?) should be put to good use and softmod my 9800 Pro to the 9800XT.

I followed this exactly and I am now a proud owner of a 128MB 9800XT!

Great post DDR-PIII ...very clear, great links should be made a sticky!!!

10/10 !!!!!

[gustav]

hey great thread. i have a few questions.

alright, ive got a 9800 pro 128mb made by ATI....currently it can run 442/370...so thats good......i made the mistake of not writing down what memory chips my card has before putting heatsinks on them, is there a way i can find out what they are without removing the heatsinks?

which BIOS would be best? would it be ok to use a BIOS for another card (made by another manufacturer) such as saphire or something?

[baqai]

i am getting a 9800 pro soon and i love this thread excellent job DDR-PIII and all those who contributed to the thread, a lot of time in this thread the new core is mentioned in this therad, so how would i know if the 9800 Pro i am getting is on 9800 XT core or original 9800 Pro core?

[felinusz]

You need to take a look at your core baqai; if the lettering on it says R350 then it's a PRO core, if it says R360, then it's an XT core :).

which BIOS would be best? would it be ok to use a BIOS for another card (made by another manufacturer) such as saphire or something?

You're best off using the XT BIOS of the same manufacturer that made your card. That said, a sapphire XT BIOS would probably work just fine. You could also just keep your PRO BIOS, and manually edit it for XT speeds, or even >XT speeds if your card can run them stably.

All using an XT BIOS does is set your default card clock to XT speeds, and cause it to be detected as an XT card.

[Gollum]

Hi to everyone, I'd just took off the heat sink and checked mi Sapphire 9800 Pro card, it has an R360 core. It also has Samsung K4D263238E-GC2A memories. So I'm willing to make the bios mod.
¿Which is the best bios for this card?

[DDR-PIII]

Gollum, ^ 2.8ns chips rated for 350Mhz, that is an XT core obviously so it will do 412, even though the chips are only rated for 350mhz they still should do 365 :), i cant really say which the best bios would be though =/.

[Gollum]

I'd tried to flash a sapphire xt bios, but an error occured

BIOS P/N DOES NOT MATCH WITH BIOS FILE P/N! ERROR 0FL01

so I tried to flash another one, and the same thing happened.
What should I do?

[gustav]

Originally posted by felinusz
You need to take a look at your core baqai; if the lettering on it says R350 then it's a PRO core, if it says R360, then it's an XT core :).



You're best off using the XT BIOS of the same manufacturer that made your card. That said, a sapphire XT BIOS would probably work just fine. You could also just keep your PRO BIOS, and manually edit it for XT speeds, or even >XT speeds if your card can run them stably.

All using an XT BIOS does is set your default card clock to XT speeds, and cause it to be detected as an XT card.

ok, so i should probably use a sapphire bios. so something like the HIS and Sapphire bios here (http://my.tbaytel.net/panthor/bioses.htm) ?

i thought the XT bios gave better latency and so that was a reason to do it as well?

also, when i do the flash, should i uninstall the drivers for the 9800 pro from windows before doing the flash?

[paul.1clarke]

right i tried the ati tool on my built by ati 9800 pro 128 and it ran fine on 412/365 no probs at all
so i flashed it to xt bios it now has flashing on the screen and artifacts when i try any 3d program and yellow pixels on the ati tool screen
any ideas cos it did the speeds fine on the 9800 pro bios i am running standard cooler could it be that?

[Nero]

Try a different XT BIOS. A couple of XT BIOSes I tried resulted in immediate display corruption (not a black screen or anything, but everything 2-D from boot onwards was messed). I eventually found one that worked with my card.

[paul.1clarke]

which bios did u get to work in the end and is ur card built by ati?

[Nero]

Mine is a BBA 9800NP w/ Samsung 3.3ns chips. Previously, it flashed fine to Pro using the "original" BBA Pro BIOS. IIRC I used the GigaCube XT 128MB BIOS.

[DDR-PIII]

yeah sometimess you just gotta go through a few to find one that likes your card best inorder for it to work right :)

[Overbrazil]

I have a Radeon 9800 pro BBA with sammy memos. Tried all BBA versions, without success. Should i try a different bios ?
regards

[DDR-PIII]

128 or 256 MB model ?

[Overbrazil]

sorry, the 128 mb model.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292487&highlight=mcw50t

[DDR-PIII]

hmm have you tryed this one " http://softmod.ocfaq.com/bios/ATI.9800XT.256.Samsung_1023.bin "

if you cant flash it im not sure what you should do, you arent missing out on to much if you cant flash it.

[Overbrazil]

That i didnt tried, because i was thinking it is for 256 mb card.:)

[Gollum]

Well, I tried again flashing another xt bios and failed, the same error occured:

"BIOS P/N DOES NOT MATCH WITH BIOS FILE P/N! ERROR 0FL01"

This is the third one I tried, I'm loosing hope :(

I was thinking, I'm flashing the bios with a disquette, instead of using the hard drive (I'm doing this because I have NTFS partitions), could that be the cause of the flashing error problem?

[tcat92]

I recently got a Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro with 128 memory from Newegg. It has a R360 Core and Hynix memory rated for 350Mhz. I've run AtiTool for max core/mem and was able to reach 412/378. I'm using a VGA Silencer w/ AS5.

My question is:

1) Has anyone flashed the bios to XT and if so, which bios did you use.

2) Should I just oc it or really, what is the advantage of having the XT bios. Does it really run the memory more efficiently? Will I really see the temperature gauge? Other than the system identifying the card as an XT, what really is the point?

Thanks.

And this thread should be stickied!

[Sir Random]

Originally posted by Gollum
Well, I tried again flashing another xt bios and failed, the same error occured:

"BIOS P/N DOES NOT MATCH WITH BIOS FILE P/N! ERROR 0FL01"

This is the third one I tried, I'm loosing hope :(

I was thinking, I'm flashing the bios with a disquette, instead of using the hard drive (I'm doing this because I have NTFS partitions), could that be the cause of the flashing error problem? Are you using Flashrom to flash the BIOS?

[baqai]

tcat92 welcome to the forums :D

Your card would be recongized as XT as far as temparature guage is concerned i believe it depends a lot on which PCB you have performance vice people have reported in increase

[Gollum]

I was successfull with the bios mod, the problem was the flashrom version 2.35. I tried the version 2.23 and worked just fine.
Although I have the R360 core, I don't have the temp monitor and the overdrive tab :( .
During tests I made, the tipical elephant checkers error occured in 3dmark2003. All the rest of the things seemed to work ok.
I don't really know the advantages of flashing to XT, I just want to write down my experience.

[tcat92]

Thanks Baqai :) .

Gollum - The drivers need to be removed before flashing the bios?
Then the driver needs to be installed to be able to see the Overdrive and the temperature gauge tabs? True?

I'm sorry you it you can't see it. Seems the temperature gauge is really the only thing that makes flashing worth it (and bragging rights).

Most of the posts in this thread seem to indicate there is no real performance increase after flashing.

[baqai]

*BUMP*

[187]

It says:
ATI.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die"File open error.

ERROR 0FL01 :press '1'to continue

?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Please help

[Gollum]

187, you have to use the the flashrom version 2.23
The problem would be solved ;)

[187]

Still gettin same error after using newest flashrom v. (2.23)

And now i cant delete some of the file like dos4gw -----------
says cannot delete being used by anathor program.

please help

Oh I imported DOS4GW from flashrom 1.3 cause 2.23 did not include it ,should I have done this???

[DDR-PIII]

newest version is 2.35 :)

[187]

Originally posted by 187
Still gettin same error after using newest flashrom v. (2.23)

And now i cant delete some of the file like dos4gw -----------
says cannot delete being used by anathor program.

please help

Oh I imported DOS4GW from flashrom 1.3 cause 2.23 did not include it ,should I have done this???

anyone?

[paul.1clarke]

i imported the same file and mine worked so could be that

[baqai]

Originally posted by MrKiLeAk
Only just got my Raddy (Sapphire 128MB/9800Pro) after finally leaving the Nvidia camp :)

Reading through this I see lots of mention on Samsung RAM, but my card has Hynix RAM (HY5DU283222A).

Any ideas what BIOS I should be looking for? And whats the chances I can overclock my new "red devil"

same here i have Hynix HY5DU283222A what do you guys say about this ram?

[dcfan60]

I dunno what they say buy i cant get mine up higher than 355

[snwman]

Originally posted by baqai


same here i have Hynix HY5DU283222A what do you guys say about this ram?

mine is running at 373mhz right now with stock cooling. after I get some ramsinks ill try higher.

[Mr B]

*sticky* ;)

[M4D]

If you cant delete that file

1. Download something called "Wholockme" i believe it's aclled that ? .
Or
2. Or boot into safe mode and delete it that way ?
Or
3. Boot into safe mode and end task on everything that you dont need and try to delete it that way ? ...

Good luck ...

[snwman]

woohoo Just softmoded my 9800 pro

Card: ATI 9800 Pro Retail
R360 Core w/ Hynix mem

[situman]

just flashed mine too 128mb ati 9800pro to xt. core at 470 and mem at 404 so far.

[Dukemurmur]

where is the file in flashrom DOS4GW.exe.....

[Tedinde]

Originally posted by snwman
woohoo Just softmoded my 9800 pro

Card: ATI 9800 Pro Retail
R360 Core w/ Hynix mem

I have the same card. Which Bios Flast to XT did you use. It's stable out the box @ 445core/375memory.

What XT flash bios is everyone using for The TRUE ATI 9800 pro card 360 core with hynix memory

[snwman]

i got miy bios from here http://mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/XT/

i know its not in english but it seems hard to find a bios that fit my card. also I have the 128mb version of the card.

[Tedinde]

Originally posted by snwman
i got miy bios from here http://mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/XT/

i know its not in english but it seems hard to find a bios that fit my card. also I have the 128mb version of the card.

Which one did you use though SNWMAN. Your english is better than my whatever that language is.

Im gussing the first one. What does Tai mean. I hope it means "AND" or "ALSO" in english.

Kortit joille modi sopii:

9800 Pro (R360 + Samsung tai Hynix 2.8ns) 128MB
9800 Pro (rampautettu aito 9800XT, R360 + Hynix 2.5ns DDR-1) 256MB
9800 Pro (R350 + Samsung tai Hynix 2.8ns) 128MB
9800 Pro (R350 + Samsung 2.2ns DDR-2) 256MB
9800 (R350 + Samsung 3.3ns) 128MB

[snwman]

i went down to where it lists like R350-128 R360-120 and clicked that link which took me to another page. what language that is I couldnt tell ya

[Tedinde]

Originally posted by snwman
i went down to where it lists like R350-128 R360-120 and clicked that link which took me to another page. what language that is I couldnt tell ya

http://mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/XT/R360-128/index.html

I found it. Im going to try the club 3d one/ hynix

Im mostly wanting this hoping the Temp diode will work.

Im planning on some ATI HEATSINK reveiwage. Cusom homemade coolers. Arctic cooler, stock, modded. Water and pelted temps.

I flashed a stock ati 9800 pro with hyn 2.5 memory, it get's into windows but turns black after it says finding hardware for 9800xt.

And im actually wanting to see if flashing gives the extra 200+ points @ same clock speeds..

Directx9C is out, people are reporting 400-600 points more and smoother game play on XS.com

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35963

Im DL DX9c now. And will test before and after. Pretty much i'll be up all night..

Im also trying to see if Same clock if the R360 core gives more points over the R350 core.

Hynix memory sucked on the non pro 9800's ive had 325-330 max. Im surprised at this new card hitting 375mem out the box. No artifacts. And actually I havnt tried it higher.

I got sidetracked on the Bios. Me thinks it might go higher. Aqua mark shows no snow.

[Tedinde]

I used the 128 one flash, but card is showing as a 256ddr ati radeon XT. Going to bench it now @ same conservative settings before the flash. the card boots fine @ 412/365

425/345 on a 2.4a PrescHott @ 3.2ghz, OCZ4200 with the crap timings. Im not caring about a high score or breaking my good BH5 yet. Crap timings and 165 fsb really beat down the mem scores.

But im concentrating mostly on the cards. Not the cpu and mem.

3dmark 2001 stock Bios 18910 points
3dmark 2001 XT360 bios 18912 points WOO HOO!!!

The core overclocks no higher. But the mem will clock to 390 now no artifacts and totally cracks up @ 395, Im assuming because of slacker memory timings.

[snwman]

i think i used the HIS bios i forgot now

[Ghetto_B]

HI!

I just noticed this thread and read it. That "Tai" means "OR". It's finnish. That "kortit joille modi sopii:" means "cards whichs mod fits:".
I will also try today see if i could get my sapphire 9800pro(SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON™ 9800 ATLANTIS PRO’s 128mb ddr) to 9800xt.
You guys said that i could see is my card r350 or r360 on top of the chip? Are there any other ways to see the chips core without moving the heatsink?
I'm little confused about what sapphire version of the bios should i use on the http://softmod.ocfaq.com/bios.php site? There is many bioses for the sapphire 128mb cards with the hynix and samsung memory(3 hynix and 2samsung memory).
I can translate http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/XT/ site if you want some more information about it.

PS. so the ati radeon 9800pro with r360 chip is true radeon9800xt(if you flash it with xt bios)?

Originally posted by Tedinde


Which one did you use though SNWMAN. Your english is better than my whatever that language is.

Im gussing the first one. What does Tai mean. I hope it means "AND" or "ALSO" in english.

Kortit joille modi sopii:

9800 Pro (R360 + Samsung tai Hynix 2.8ns) 128MB
9800 Pro (rampautettu aito 9800XT, R360 + Hynix 2.5ns DDR-1) 256MB
9800 Pro (R350 + Samsung tai Hynix 2.8ns) 128MB
9800 Pro (R350 + Samsung 2.2ns DDR-2) 256MB
9800 (R350 + Samsung 3.3ns) 128MB

[Ghetto_B]

I surfed the http://koti.mbnet.fi/elixir/Radeon/XT/ site through and it has good advices for the flashing etc.

Do you guys know when ATI started to make r360 chips? I'm just curious.

[aking1987]

hi, im trying to softmod my sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb to an XT...

Ive follwed the guide (both versions) and nothing happens when i type:

flashrom-s 0 original.bin it just loads up the first screen again

and when i type

flashrom-p 0 sapphire.9800XT.128mb.samsung.E-die.bin...

again nothing at all happens

what am i doing wrong?

[M4D]

Originally posted by aking1987
hi, im trying to softmod my sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb to an XT...

Ive follwed the guide (both versions) and nothing happens when i type:

flashrom-s 0 original.bin it just loads up the first screen again

and when i type

flashrom-p 0 sapphire.9800XT.128mb.samsung.E-die.bin...

again nothing at all happens

what am i doing wrong?

You need to put a space in some places for a start ;) And you might be alot better off renaming the .bin files to something a little smaller for dos
Like SAPXP.bin and ORIG.bin if you understand me correctly ?

try this, Rename your bios files to something smaller than eight caracters "Sapphire one like this SAPXT.bin and when you go to flash do it like this .

flashrom -p 0 SAPXT.bin -Or Force Flashing- flashrom -p 0 SAPXT.bin -f

And for the original bios .

flashrom -p 0 ORIG.bin -Or Force Flashing- flashrom -p 0 ORIG.bin -f

[Oren]

I just bought a Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128 yesterday. It came in a relatively small retail box (no games inside, just a drivers CD). I tried ATITool, and I can hit around 420/365.
The memory is Hynix. The first row says HY5DU283222A and the second one 412A.

What is the speed of this memory?

Do I have an XT core? What BIOS should I use to flash?

Many thanks,

Oren

[Oren]

Originally posted by T'wolves
I just bought off newegg the:

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 256MB DDRII, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -OEM
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9800PRO/380MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDRII/680MHz

And my memory chips read the following:

HY5DU573222
AFM-25 338A

and according to that Hynix page from above, the ram on my card is DDRI rated Im guessing 300mhz, but its clocked at 340mhz? The sticker on the card says its DDRII. Did i read the code totally wrong or did i just get screwed on the ram? The card is however a R360 core with XT pcb, so I will eventually flash, unless this ram cant handle it.

I don't really see how what your chip reads corresponds to what is on the data sheet. According to the sheet the last letter should be I or E. You assume that 338A means that you have 300MHz because of the "33" in it? But what does the 8 mean and what does the A?

Hey, I got my 4th star!!! :D

[dmccollum]

Here's my results from softmoding my 9800pro.

To start with I purchased a refurbished Sapphire 9800pro 128 from Newegg.com. When the package arrived it was in a built by ATI retail box and had all the cables and the manual. The Sapphire and BBA cards look identical from what I can tell, so to the best of my knowledge it’s an actual BBA card.

It has the R360 core and the Samsung 2.8 memory chips on it. Using the ATITOOL program, the highest I could overclock the card with stock cooling was 400Mhz on the core. So I purchased the Thermaltake Giant III dual heat pipe cooler and a hardcano 9 to control the speed of the two fans. I also put the thermal diode on the back side of the GPU to monitor the temp.

I flashed the card with the ATI version of the 9800XT bios and would get artifacts in 3DMark03 and the ATITOOL would find an artifact that I could see with the human eye under a second. I re-flashed the bios with the Gigacube 9800XT bios and re-ran the 3DMark03 benchmark and did not see any visible artifacts. Then I ran the ATITOOL and it runs anywhere from 30 seconds to several minutes without detecting any artifacts. None of the artifacts that ATITOOL found were visible to the human eye.

It seems to run really well with the Gigacube bios, but I think this particular card won’t overclock much over the default XT speeds. I’m thinking about buying a rev 3 VGA Silencer to replace the Thermaltake Giant III and leave on the copper memory heatsinks. I’m rebuilding my system a couple parts every few weeks, so I’m interested how this will change once I replace my P4 1.6a with a P4 2.8c and PC3200 memory.

Here’s summary of my current system setup:

1. ASUS P4C800-E
2. Two Seagate SATA 80GB RAID 0
3. ATI 9800pro (XT softmod)
4. P4 1.6a
5. Kingston PC2300 512MB x2

[a c i d.f l y]

Now what about pipelines... the NP only has 4... will this mod change it to have the 8, or 12? Is there a hardmod to "activate" these pipes?

-Frank

[itizme]

same here i have Hynix HY5DU283222A what do you guys say about this ram?


if its the 128 version BBA pm me and I will mail you a bios, does it also have F-28 on it, F is for FBGA and 28 is for 350mhz

[baqai]

i did some setting and my memory goes easily upto 380 and than starts showing artifacts .. its the core i am having problems with, card is right now running stable at 400/365 but it starts getting artificats if i put it up to 414 :(

maybe my cooling is not good enough got a cheapo unbranded cooler to replace the stock cooler and put cooper ram sinks on front

[Oren]

if its the 128 version BBA pm me and I will mail you a bios, does it also have F-28 on it, F is for FBGA and 28 is for 350mhz

Ok, I've managed to clarify what chips I have: Hynix HY5DU283222A F-28 412A.

Does it mean I have a good chance my core is R360? Also, would I be able to flash my BIOS, as the Hynix are rated at 350MHz and not 365MHz like the XT (although I manage to OC them just upt to 366).

itizme, I PMed you but I'm not sure you got the message, as I'm having some problems with the boards since the upgrade. I would like that BIOS if possible. Thanks.

[Oren]

i did some setting and my memory goes easily upto 380 and than starts showing artifacts .. its the core i am having problems with, card is right now running stable at 400/365 but it starts getting artificats if i put it up to 414 :(

maybe my cooling is not good enough got a cheapo unbranded cooler to replace the stock cooler and put cooper ram sinks on front

I have an opposite problem. Core goes up to 423MHz, but mem won't go above 366. I even put ransinks, and it didn't help me get even 1 more MHz :(

[itizme]

Ok, I've managed to clarify what chips I have: Hynix HY5DU283222A F-28 412A.

Does it mean I have a good chance my core is R360? Also, would I be able to flash my BIOS, as the Hynix are rated at 350MHz and not 365MHz like the XT (although I manage to OC them just upt to 366).

itizme, I PMed you but I'm not sure you got the message, as I'm having some problems with the boards since the upgrade. I would like that BIOS if possible. Thanks.


Just pull the cooler to check, the unit will merely have thermal grease and to pull just take the pins out of the centre of the mounting things ( not sure if they are called standoffs or what???)

Bios was mailed d00d

[baqai]

i am going to give the core another shot lets see what happens .. the other day it was happily running for 8 hours on 410 without any problems but today it started giving me problems at 408 ..

[Oren]

Just pull the cooler to check, the unit will merely have thermal grease and to pull just take the pins out of the centre of the mounting things ( not sure if they are called standoffs or what???)

Bios was mailed d00d

Maybe it's a good idea to pull the cooler after all, as I can apply AS5 after, which is probably better than the stock thermal grease... I'll see.

[Oren]

Hey, it seems to have worked! I don't know what it means, but I'm now the proud "owner" of a 9800 XT hehe... I see now that my default speed is 412/365 (which is actually 411.75/364.50 according to ATITool).

Now it's time for some benchies I guess!

What can I see? Nice thread :clap:

I've never checked if I actually have R350... but now that I've successfully flashed, can I assume that? Or still no guarantee?

Oren

[Oren]

Damn, now AFTER the successful flash, I cannot OC anymore the core to 423 like I used to... it fails almost immediately when I start OCing with ATITool from the "stock" 412MHz :(

What's the problem here???

[itizme]

Hey, check if you have the 360 and dissregard how much you can oc the unit. The stock setting of the card actually works better than overclocked settings which I think is due to the optimizations of XT. I gained almost 300 3dmark2K3 points with the 411.75 and 364.5. Next step to go higher would be the volt mods with two 10k 40 turn pots.

PLEASE NOTE< SAME CLOCK SPEEDS

Score: 6538

Date: 2004-05-28
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3250 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 XT
412 MHz / 365 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP

versus

Score: 6204

Date: 2004-05-25
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3250 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
412 MHz / 365 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

[itizme]

check this out, #5 rating on Aquamark, and thats against the 256 meg cards
Compared with identicle processor speeds

Your Measurement to Compare is ranked under this search criteria on rank #5 which is on page 1

#5 AquaMark Score: 47709 (CPU: 10571, GFX: 6162) FPS: 47.71 TPS: 14361 K Your Measurement
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 1023 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT CM: 412 / 365 MHz VRAM: 125 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6444
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: itizme, 2004-05-29, "Benchmark 2004-05-29 14-33-08"



Search Results: (Including your measurement at its rank)
<< Previous Page Results 1-8 of 8 Goto page: 1 Next Page >>


#1 AquaMark Score: 49753 (CPU: 9425, GFX: 6759) FPS: 49.75 TPS: 14976 K Detail Comparison
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 511 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT (DNA 1.9.3.10a) CM: 459 / 405 MHz VRAM: 256 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6404
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: funkymonkey, 2004-01-13, "[H]ard to beat, funky's new best[Guru3d]"

#2 AquaMark Score: 48212 (CPU: 10696, GFX: 6225) FPS: 48.21 TPS: 14512 K Detail Comparison
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 1023 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT CM: 419 / 365 MHz VRAM: 256 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6404
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: Janni, 2003-12-29, "Benchmark 2003-12-29 17-28-03"

#3 AquaMark Score: 47942 (CPU: 8804, GFX: 6588) FPS: 47.94 TPS: 14431 K Detail Comparison
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 511 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT CM: 473 / 395 MHz VRAM: 256 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6404
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: funkymonkey, 2004-01-05, "9800xt@470/395"

#4 AquaMark Score: 47729 (CPU: 10685, GFX: 6147) FPS: 47.73 TPS: 14367 K Detail Comparison
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 1023 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT CM: 412 / 365 MHz VRAM: 256 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6404
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: Janni, 2003-12-27, "Benchmark 2003-12-27 22-07-18"

#5 AquaMark Score: 47709 (CPU: 10571, GFX: 6162) FPS: 47.71 TPS: 14361 K Your Measurement
CPU: Pentium(R) 4 processor , HT:On CR: 3250 MHz SRAM: 1023 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: RADEON 9800 XT CM: 412 / 365 MHz VRAM: 125 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6444
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: itizme, 2004-05-29, "Benchmark 2004-05-29 14-33-08

[Oren]

Damn, now AFTER the successful flash, I cannot OC anymore the core to 423 like I used to... it fails almost immediately when I start OCing with ATITool from the "stock" 412MHz :(

What's the problem here???

Actually it's even worse. ATITool can't run at stock XT settings. Before the flash to the XT BIOS I could have done that... it's really weird. I guess I should revert back to the original BIOS?

Also, is there a limit to the number of times you can flash your BIOS?

[Oren]

Hey, check if you have the 360 and dissregard how much you can oc the unit. The stock setting of the card actually works better than overclocked settings which I think is due to the optimizations of XT. I gained almost 300 3dmark2K3 points with the 411.75 and 364.5. Next step to go higher would be the volt mods with two 10k 40 turn pots.

PLEASE NOTE< SAME CLOCK SPEEDS

Score: 6538

Date: 2004-05-28
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3250 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 XT
412 MHz / 365 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP

versus

Score: 6204

Date: 2004-05-25
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3250 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
412 MHz / 365 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

Ok, I reverted back to the original Pro BIOS and checked.

3DMark2003 scores:

Original Pro BIOS at 423/365: 6467
XT BIOS at "stock" 412/365 : 6577

So more than 100 points more, and at a lower core speed.

Now this would all be fine with me, if ATITool could actually run it at 412/365, but it cannot for some strange reason. 3DMark2003 passes though.

I guess that the prerequisite for the XT BIOS flash of having a Pro capable of 412/365 is not correct, as my Pro could do that with the original BIOS (and even more - 423MHz core) but it can't do that with the XT BIOS for some mysterious reason...

[NinjaZX6R]

OK, guess I'm lost. I have 2.8ns hynix memory. NOT 2.5NS! So, which bios would I use? I have an R350 core as well. Will someone PLEASE help me!

-Collin-

[itizme]

OK, guess I'm lost. I have 2.8ns hynix memory. NOT 2.5NS! So, which bios would I use? I have an R350 core as well. Will someone PLEASE help me!

-Collin-

Hey Collin
I dont think your going to have any luck with this thread on making an xt with the 350 core. I do however think a little searching will find some other answers to overclocking your card though.
Just be sure to use all of the info on hand when making comparisons to other projects, maybe even make a thread asking for help with that particular card.

:beer:

[NinjaZX6R]

:(, i didnt know it had to be an R360. I am more than able to run at 412mhz

Oh well, I'll just cry myself to sleep then lol.

-Collin-