Which is faster

[Lynx]

Which is faster on 3d games. The p4 or the Athlon? I want to know because I am upgrading my mobo + cpu after they release the next p4 so I would like to know what to expect

[Door Knob]

Lynx (May 13, 2001 01:51 p.m.):
Which is faster on 3d games. The p4 or the Athlon? I want to know because I am upgrading my mobo + cpu after they release the next p4 so I would like to know what to expect

Right now the TBird's are king. But the graphics card is what really makes a difference. My P3 with a geforce 2 gts runs every game I have tried incredibly smooth on the highest detail level.

[Phil]

depends on the game, if it's a game like q3 where memory bandwidth id king then the p4 is best, but who needs 200fps, 150fps is fine :) but in general the tbird is the best, especially when looking at price performance level, a 1ghz p3 may be a match for the 1ghz tbird due to sse but it costs more and the tbird could be overclocked to 1.4ghz where as the p3 would be lucky to reach 1.1ghz

[Katabatik]

I would wait till the next die shrink for the P4 and get one of those. It's supposed to be at 2.2 Ghz by the end of the year and I do care how much you oc anything it won't stand up to that. I also heard that they're great to oc too.

[Phil]

The palamino (Athlon 4) looks like being a great chip, it now has the full implementation of sse (under the guise of 3dnow pro) so the performance gain seen on p3's because games/apps are optimised for sse over 3dnow should not be an issue, plus all the other little improvements and I bet this is one of the most overclockable chips ever.

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Phil, I have a feeling that once the Northwood comes out it will end up spanking the Palomino version of AMD system in overall performance. watch and see what will happen.. If this happens, many of AMD fans will get furious and jumping up and down. haha I would like to see that happen in the future.. but I could be dead wrong. So Let see eh?.. hehe.. :)

[outhouse]

Phil (May 13, 2001 05:35 p.m.):
depends on the game, if it's a game like q3 where memory bandwidth id king then the p4 is best, but who needs 200fps, 150fps is fine :) but in general the tbird is the best, especially when looking at price performance level, a 1ghz p3 may be a match for the 1ghz tbird due to sse but it costs more and the tbird could be overclocked to 1.4ghz where as the p3 would be lucky to reach 1.1ghz

look in the cpu data base my p31g@1225 is not an exception most of the guys at 1.1 are limited by there MB not the chip and most at that level say they can get more out of her

[Phil]

ƒ~ƒ‹ƒN•² (May 15, 2001 01:35 a.m.):
Phil, I have a feeling that once the Northwood comes out it will end up spanking the Palomino version of AMD system in overall performance. watch and see what will happen.. If this happens, many of AMD fans will get furious and jumping up and down. haha I would like to see that happen in the future.. but I could be dead wrong. So Let see eh?.. hehe.. :)

The northwood may be good it may not, there are a lot of deficiencies with the current p4 hopefully a lot will be fixed with northwood, the 2 big flaws are the general lack of cache and ther half speed fpu and sse2 units, the current p4 is faster than the tbird (even if you work out the ratio of speed/clock rate) in a few things (very few mind) and the palamino is expected to be 5-15% faster which isn't a huge jump (similar to the coppermine over katmai) but the seeing as northwood is still a way off it is hard to compare.

outhouse you are right that a lot of p3 1ghz do reach 1.1ghz if you can trust all the results in the db, intel pulled the 1.1ghz because it couldn't get it stabil, even with good cooling, this could probabally have been fixed with a voltage increase which will usually be enough to get a 1ghz p3 that high, but comparing you 225mhz gain with 400-500mhz from an AXIA still shows how the tbird is still the best overclocking chip at the moment