3dmark scores lower?!?

[theophage]

i just recently upgraded to a new system and now my scores are lower? does 3dmark2k1se favor intels?

old system:
p4 1.9(2.07)ghz 107fsb
512ddr pc2100 2.5-3-3-7
geforce 4 ti4200 (275/575)
got just barely under 8200 marks

new system:
athlon 2700xp(2.3ghz) 200x11.5
512ddr pc2700 2.5-3-3-7
geforce 4 ti4200 (275/600)
compare url (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=4485551)

could someone give me some tips or explain to me why this is?

thanks

[theophage]

bah, guess i kinda messed up the url

i got just under 7500 marks, the person in the link now is actually running his cpu at a slightly faster fsb, but mine is clocked higher still.

the biggest difference i can see is in the higher detail tests im actually doing the same frame rate or slower than with my first set up.

[Edward2]

Do you have LINKS to both scores?

My guess is that the new system needs to be optimized.... video driver settings set to max performance (not quality), AA/AF turned OFF, etc.

[theophage]

heh, it was really late for me when i posted that, i had been up for nearly 24 hours etc...

AA/AF off, all settings set to performance and vsync off
latest drivers from nvidia
cpu overclocked to 200x11.5 with vcore at <1.7v
agp bus at 66mhz, ramdac o/c to 275 from 250, ram o/c to 600 from 513
generic ram at ddr333 2.5-3-3-7

well.. i would have links for you but im not able to bring up the futuremark webpage atm

one thing i noticed was in the low detail tests my new system nearly doubled the fps from my old one but in the high detail my new system got comparable fps in the first test but would get at best half the fps in the other high detail ones. i did notice that 3dmark is reporting that my agp card is running at 1x mode but the bios was set to auto and i changed it to 4x, still no change in 3dmark.

in my old system it wouldnt even run some of the high detail test untill i installed the 4800se drivers, but theres no change when i do that now

anything else i may not have covered?

[StealtheR]

damn i only got a bit above 9K :(

[Edward2]

Did you sit and watch as 3dmark ran all of the tests? I wonder if your video card "locked-up" while running the high-res tests, because that will cause the score to be extremely low for that particular test. Maybe your video card is being overworked now that you have a faster computer setup. If your video card is locking up, trying running just 1 or 2 tests at a time, and then let your computer cool down for about a minute before running the next tests.

[theophage]

on my old system it was doing that untill i installed the 4800se drivers. on the current one it runs fine with the normal drivers and i get the same results with the 4800 drivers

[theophage]

my new system:
on the first high detail i get anywhere from 40-70fps (car)
on the second high detail i get 19-30fps (dragon)
on the third high detail i get 50-80fps (lobby)
on the nature test i get 30-35fps

my old system:
first test 30-60fps
second test 40-60fps
third: 30-60fps
nature: 40-60fps

[theophage]

heres the link, i got to their site now
new system:
compare url (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7590517)
old system:
compare url (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7549716)

[theophage]

after looking at the 2 benchmarks, high and low dragothic and nature are the main reasons i got a lower score, but why would there be such a difference? and is my system limited by the vid card? and why would that be if i see people getting in the 12k or higher with essentially the same one?

[Edward2]

I looked at your compare links and you are correct. The Dragothic and Nature tests are where you are losing major points; however, you could certainly be scoring higher in all of the tests. You may already know this, but Dragothic and Nature are the most dependent on your video card (and drivers) of all the 3dmark01 tests. Your problem is most likely due to either your video card drivers or mobo drivers.

Have you installed all of the nForce2 drivers for your mobo? I think something may be wrong with your driver installation, because you are showing AGP 1x. I did not have this problem with my NF7 mobo.

I would also uninstall your current video card drivers, and then install the nVidia 4x.xx video card drivers (42.01, 42.86, 45.23, etc). Your score should increase dramatically with these drivers. If you prefer, you could reinstall the 52.16 drivers like you were running before.

Here is an old compare link for my Ti4200 video card running at 250/550 and my 1700+ Tbred @ 2.4 GHz (11*219) on my NF7 mobo. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6987480

[theophage]

im at a friends house atm or else id take your suggestions and tell you what happened but. i was having issues getting the sound to work, and just plain installing windows with the new system ( i tried to save too much stuff on the c drive and windows didnt like it) so on this install of windows i actually didnt do the full install of drivers off the cd. I'll go back through and do that. im pretty sure i still have one of the older video drivers on my computer, but any idea where id be able to find a copy if i dont?

[Edward2]

You can get the older (and newer) video card drivers at: http://download.guru3d.com/detonator/

[theophage]

bad news i guess...

i tried to run the set up for the chipset drivers both off the cd and downloaded from abit, every time it starts up, brings up the initial loading screen showing its getting ready to install, but i never get the full screen installation. im guess it crashes before it ever tries to install. so i went in and by hand updated the drivers to the ones i downloaded. still no effect in benchmark

[Edward2]

Definitely sounds like you have a bad Windows installation. I don't use XP, so I don't know what could be causing the installation problem. Normally you should install Windows, then install all your mobo drivers, video card drivers, etc. before installing any other programs (such as antivirus, games, internet security, etc.). Of course, it sounds like you had problems just getting Windows installed on your computer.

I would suggest you post this problem in either the ABIT AMD MOBO forum or the Windows OS forum. Maybe someone else can help you get Windows installed correctly.

(edit) You should definitely be scoring close to my score posted above. My CPU and FSB were running slightly faster, but your video card was overclocked faster.

[theophage]

i got to thinking... i kinda forced windows to install the pci to agp bridge drivers to a specific device... and well mebe it was the wrong device.

so i changed the way the device manager displayed everything
i found a pci to pci bridge that was listed as managing my agp card.
so i didnt force it to install the agp driver there, but rather told it to look for an updated driver, and it chose the nvidia pci to agp bridge!

i just rebooted my pc, and 3dmark said my card was running at 4x but i havent tried to test it yet...

thanks for the help! i hope i get a better score now i'll let you know what happens.

[theophage]

well after my computer crashed.... doesnt seem to like overclocking my vid card so much anymore aparently...

i finally got a decent score, which i know of a few more tweaks etc and i should be able to get at least close to 12000 if really want to... but this is great, much better than the crappy 7-8k i was getting before

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7595103

[Edward2]

Excellent improvement!!!! That is about 50% higher than you previously scored. Your Drag Lo went from 76 to 182 fps, and your Drag Hi went from 29 to 107 fps. Much better!!!

If you find that you are having video card overclocking problems, you might want to uninstall/re-install your video card drivers now that you have the right PCI to AGP bridge driver installed. Maybe there is a conflict between the 2 drivers.

[theophage]

thanks again for all the help!