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JigPu
06-20-01, 05:17 PM
Stupid computer... Try posting and it delets my message... :grrr:

CPU: Pentium 90
Motherboard: ASUS VX97

OK, now back on topic..again... Here is my question... Is there any way that overclocking a CPU can cause it to run at 100% usage for no apparent reason?? How about overclocking the chipset? My computer is running slower than my sister's 486 and I can't see any reason why. Would a severe overclock cause this to happen even if it was only for about 10sec.?

I just overclocked my computer two days ago. I brought my Pentium 90 to 100 (66.6*1.5) and then tried 112.5 (75*1.5), thereby overclocking my chipset too. The computer would not boot at 112.5 so I increased my voltage as slowly as possible up to 3.2V where I didn't think the processor could survive.
It still wouldn't run so I reset the voltage, increased the multiplier to 2x, and brought the bus down to 50Mhz. It ran somewhat stable so I brought it to 110. It wouldn't run even with the voltage hikes. I set the bus speed to 75Mhz again for 150Mhz core speed. My thought was that at this speed I could raise the voltage up to the next Pentum voltage. Nope. No boot.
I had to settle with 100Mhz. I didn't bother to get a new heatsink or fan because the air of the heatsink was cool at 90 and this seems to be a very minor overclock. I downloaded Rain though just in case I needed a small amount of extra cooling.
The computer started to get worse over the day even though the air off the heatsink was only slightly warm. I took my window fan (it being the only thing available at the time) and set it down right next to the computer to blow some (quite a bit actually..) extra air onto the computer and processor. The errors started to dissapear so I didn't think anymore of it.
Having a window fan next to the computer constantly running does have it's drawbacks, so I reset everything back to the way it orignaly was. The next day, I noticed that everything on Winamp was "skipping" (even the MIDIs!). I went on to the DirectX tool and tried to figure out what was wrong with the sound.
The DirectX diagnostic tool took MUCH longer than normal to load and after finaly finishing its loading I went to the MIDI test and even it was skipping. I rebooted thinking it might be something that Windows was doing. Nothing changed. Same slow load time and same skipping MIDI. I rebooted again, this time into LiteStep. Still no change. However, I noticed that the CPU meter was pinned to the max. I closed Rain to see what the real usage was and it didn't change.
Annother reboot. Into Windows we go. I run my SVGA benchmark and discover that I am now getting 3.5fps (compared with my 38.5fps before the overclock only two days ago).
I can close everything (except Exporer and Systray) and it will still run extremely slowly. One last thing... I just noticed about 10min ago that the computer is accessing the hard drive a lot. I don't know if it has been doing this throughout the whole thing, but might this be a reason it is slow? If you have any suggestions, they are greatfully accepted! I really don't want to buy a new chip...but they are cheap if I have too.

Thanks in advance..
In need of serious help..
JigPu

batboy
06-20-01, 06:04 PM
You probably overheated it and caused Window registry errors due to instability. My advice is to reformat the harddrive and do a clean Windows install. In the future DO NOT attempt to overclock a computer without adequate cooling. Number one mistake was increasing the voltage way too high. Number two mistake not using a CPU fan. Number three mistake was not removing the heatsink and applying a good thermal paste. The good news is that if it's still working at all, you probably didn't fry it (at least not completely). First rule in overclocking is cooling. Heat is the enemy.

Phil
06-20-01, 06:10 PM
Yeah I would say that you had overclocked too far and the registery has corrupted. Nect time you overclock check stability with prime95 off shadows ftp site (happy now shadow?) and run it's torture test to make sure the overclock is stable.

JigPu
06-20-01, 06:49 PM
Thanx... Yes, the pooter still works. I made the post with it (my mom's dosn't connect to the web...), and am still using this near fried chip to surf the web.
Yes.. I should have known better than to have not run without any thermal compound, but I did have the fan.. and the heat sink didn't seem hot at all...so I thought "why not??". Guess I know better than to try this stunt again :evil grin: At least I still have a chip...
I will try to find that darn Windows setup disk, and re-install this HD as soon as I can.
Mabey next time my overclock will be slightly more successful... (I might actually fry it instead of semi-frying..)

Thanks Buches...
JigPu! (Fryer of chips...)

BTW: What would you have suggested as the highest voltage I should have touched? I don't know when I should have stopped... It just seemed that some voltages were "A LITTLE TOO HIGH...". I never ran more than 0.1V above "factory setting" when at 110Mhz. One last thing..how overclockable is the Pentium 90?

JigPu (Fryer of chips, AND asker of many questions...)

batboy
06-20-01, 07:40 PM
Well, if I remember correctly, the P-I chips default at 2.8v. The rule of thumb is that IF you have good cooling, a 10% boast in voltage SHOULD be ok. So, IF you have good cooling, 3.0v is probably ok, but 3.1v might be borderline pushing it. For safety's sake I'd limit it to 3.0v.

I'd say that 133 MHz (2X66) with that P-90 would be about max and there is no guarantee you'll even make it that high. After you take care of the cooling issues, try running it at1.5X66 and see what happens when you benchmark it and/or play games. If it's stable at 100 MHz, then maybe try 1.5X75 again and keep your fingers crossed.

JigPu
06-21-01, 07:26 PM
Ahhhh.... The fresh format feeling.... Nothing like it to fix everything.

I did like suggested and had a few unexpected results. First, when restoring all my files, I found out that the darn slowdown had come back (I ran the benchmark as soon as Windows was installed and the framerate was normal. Then after getting everyting back, it was back to 3.5fps) However, after annother format/install, and being extra carful to check if the framerate went down after installing each component, I tracked down the slowdown to Rain! Unistalling Rain was all I had to do for the slowdown to dissappear.

Annother nice result... More disk space!!! (The 800Mb drive fills up rather quickly...). Also, my modem (previously detected as 33.6) is now a 55k!! Yea for me!!

O.K. 'Nuff with the silliness. Just gotta finish the download of the 7Mb soundcard driver (on 56k... ewwwwwww) and I'll be done!

Thanks for all the help out there...
Fryer Of Chips...
JigPu

Phil
06-21-01, 07:51 PM
yeah but how often does a 56k conection achieve more than about 36k download rate. 40k is considered good.

JigPu
06-21-01, 09:16 PM
I dunno...Every modem in this house downloads at around 2-3Kb/s...Of couse having a connect speed (according to IE) of 57600 sure makes the pages load faster!

JigPu
Fryer Of Chips

Phil
06-21-01, 10:43 PM
that 57600 is between the modem and comm port as 56000 is the best conection you can get and you would have to live in your phone exchange on a full moon with the planets sligned for that to happen.

batboy
06-21-01, 11:24 PM
In the States, 53k is the most allowed by law for either uploads or downloads (I don't remember which). I usually average 45.3k connection speed with my dial-up and that's considered above average around here. Regardless, glad you found the bottleneck, with that dinosaur, you sure don't want it going any slower...lol.

JigPu
06-22-01, 03:27 PM
No, a slowdown on this thing might cause it to go backwards! :) I wonder why Rain would steal all the resources like that? I know it takes idle time... Who knows?? Cirtanly not I.

JigPu
Fryer Of Chips

batboy
06-22-01, 03:46 PM
I tried one of those cooling software programs once too (CoolCPU or something like that), mainly just to see if it really worked. It caused lots of problems for me too, so I uninstalled it and deleted it.

Phil
06-22-01, 03:49 PM
Rain runs at an idle level which means it will give up it's cpu time to anything running at normal or above, though I have had problems with one or 2 games that stutter a lot due to rain. Maybe your hardrive wasn't using dma and so with rain running didn't use enough cpu time or something. Simple answer of course is to not use rain, it doesn't help with overclocking really unless you only plan on idleing as if your cpu gets too warm when at full load then rain won't help at all. Cpu temps change very fast. when I idle and run rain my cpu temp is about 24oC, if I start up prime95 it shoots up to 33oC in a few seconds and stopping prime95 drops it back to 24oC almost straight away. Now if you don't have good case airflow keeping the cpu cool for a while can help but with reasonable airflow it is useless other than for making the cpu last a bit longer, and seeing as they are designed to last about 20 years there isn't much point