Celly info

[Zuck Gou :)]

Hey Phil(i read in here you saying this :) ), or any one else for that matter

Where'd you read that the 600mhz Celeron is a better o/c then a 667mhz ?

The CPU database shows the 667 above the 600 most of the time.

[Squish]

I have a 667 and i feel that a 600 would better i just don't like the 10x mutiplyer (bad spelling).

[Zuck Gou :)]

Why not? 10 x 100 = 1Ghz

Thats pretty reasonable

[JaY_III]

Sure it looks good but the odds of getting that are very low. if you miss 100x10, you might have to use 83x10=830 (alot less than 1000) and if one of your PCI cards cant handle 41 MHz, you my have to fall back to 75x10=750. So playing the odds, is it worth it to you that you try to get 1000 with a 667, or just almot 100% of tyhe time play it safe and get the 600 to hit 900, 112x9 1008 if you are lucky. Same odds to hit 1000 with each core (as the both are the same) but teh 600 is cheaper, and if it doesnt make it, its fall back speed is alot faster than the fall back speed (83) of the 667 is. Also , the 600 at 112FSB is alot faster than a 667 at 100 FSB. ANd if it does hit 112(1120) you are very lucky :-) (very very rare)

So the question is what risk do you want to take?
And for the record, i got the 633 :-)

[Zuck Gou :)]

Aw man, now you got me confused and scared.

667 here is cheaper than the 600, so i dont know what to do

[Pinky]

jay (Jun 26, 2001 03:01 a.m.):
Sure it looks good but the odds of getting that are very low. if you miss 100x10, you might have to use 83x10=830 (alot less than 1000) and if one of your PCI cards cant handle 41 MHz, you my have to fall back to 75x10=750. So playing the odds, is it worth it to you that you try to get 1000 with a 667, or just almot 100% of tyhe time play it safe and get the 600 to hit 900, 112x9 1008 if you are lucky. Same odds to hit 1000 with each core (as the both are the same) but teh 600 is cheaper, and if it doesnt make it, its fall back speed is alot faster than the fall back speed (83) of the 667 is. Also , the 600 at 112FSB is alot faster than a 667 at 100 FSB. ANd if it does hit 112(1120) you are very lucky :-) (very very rare)

So the question is what risk do you want to take?
And for the record, i got the 633 :-)

Uh, No.

The 667 because of the 10X mutiplier is the ideal overclocking celeron. I have seen these run at 1000 with 1.75V and stock intel HSF. Ran pretty cool too... and the odds of one NOT making 1000 is 1/5; which means 80% do.

I think those are good odds.

[Phil]

It's all about keeping your options open. The 600 is better than the 667 for overclocking for 2 reasons. Whilst 10x100 might sound nice 'ooh that will give me 1ghz' the odds aren't you won't make it. sure some do, you may have even had good luck your self but 1ghz is a figure many coppermines just don't reach. And this then leaves you having to use out of spec bus speeds. The 600 will reach 900mhz more often than a 667 will reach 1ghz, it is rare for one not to be able to get 900mhz, and quite often you can get more, I would sooner go for a 600 knowing I'll be able to get 900mhz and aim for a 112mhz fsb so I get 1008mhz than get a 667 and hope for the best aiming for 1ghz.
Pinky I am surprised at you thinking that the 667 is a good overclocking chip as well.

[Pinky]

Phil (Jun 26, 2001 10:05 a.m.):

Pinky I am surprised at you thinking that the 667 is a good overclocking chip as well.

I only speak from experience, I have no experience with the 600 chipz.

[Phil]

Well I can't expect you to have experience of every chip, I base a lot of my advice on other peoples experience which I lean through reading reading reading. I have a cel 600 that won't do 1ghz but this is because of an under powered psu. You have been lucky with that 667 but they are not all that good, and the 600 gives you more options and less chance of disapointment.

[Pinky]

Phil (Jun 26, 2001 10:32 a.m.):
Well I can't expect you to have experience of every chip, I base a lot of my advice on other peoples experience which I lean through reading reading reading. I have a cel 600 that won't do 1ghz but this is because of an under powered psu. You have been lucky with that 667 but they are not all that good, and the 600 gives you more options and less chance of disapointment.

I certainly agree, but then again I've only heard success stories with the 667, and I see disappointment all the time with the 600s that people are using.

The odds (from what I've seen) are about the same, either way they 6xx series of celerons are killer overclockers regardless of the different paths we've taken with them.

When I do an economical built for someone, I get the 667 knowing the stock hsf will get it higher than the stock equipment would on the 600. Maybe for maximizing the FSB (past 100) the 600 does a better job, and I'll certainly agree with that. For my purposes, the 667 works just fine (people love seeing that 1000 celeron on the bios screen!!).

[Phil]

'I see disappointment all the time with the 600s'
When, they almost always reach 900mhz and usually more. The chance of a 667 reaching 1ghz is no more than a 600 and with the 600 you have the extra bus speed. Plus in the chance of not reaching 1ghz you have 900mhz to fall back on.
Intel don't put the heatsink on a 667 any differant from a 600 as far as I know, the same heatsink, and put on just as badly. These chips are barely pushing the limits of the coppermine core so intel doesn't choose prime quality chips for each speed like it probabally does with the higher speed p3's.
you have just gotten lucky with your 667 it's by no means the norm for them to be as overclockable as yours

[Zuck Gou :)]

:D :D

Man, I think I'll just drop in between and get the 633 for 5 bucks more than the 667. The 9.5 multiplier x gives me something to drop back on.

Do you guys think this is a good compromise?

[Pinky]

Yuck Fou (Jun 26, 2001 02:34 p.m.):
:D :D

Man, I think I'll just drop in between and get the 633 for 5 bucks more than the 667. The 9.5 multiplier x gives me something to drop back on.

Do you guys think this is a good compromise?

:)

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[Zuck Gou :)]

:D hehe good route to take pinky