SETI and F@H should unite! [Archive]

PhreakinSyco

03-07-04, 04:45 PM

I think that the SETI group and the F@H group should combine forces to create a super folding group!

This is probably not a new thought and I can imagine that all those SETI folks wouldn't give up all there hard earned Pts just to fold. :argue:

Seriously how important is the Search of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence? :D

FreakinSyco

nikhsub1

03-07-04, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by PhreakinSyco

Seriously how important is the Search of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence? :D
As important to them as folding is to us... We all wish they would fold, just as they wish we would run Seti. We have a mutual respect for each other and the reasons why one chooses to fold or to Seti.

Maxvla

03-07-04, 06:10 PM

agreed with nik. as tempting as it sounds i don't think they would want to stop scanning the heavens.

with both the oc folding and seti team combined folding we would be so far ahead of [H] it would be shocking. the OC seti team is fairly highly ranked itself so they have tons of power.

johan851

03-07-04, 07:48 PM

Aliens probably have the cure for cancer anyway...one of our teams will win in the long run. :)

Cjwinnit

03-07-04, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by johan851
Aliens probably have the cure for cancer anyway...one of our teams will win in the long run. :)

Aliens fold because all the other cool aliens fold ;)

{PMS}fishy

03-07-04, 08:19 PM

Yeah. Being an X-SETI user, I hope they don't get wind of this. They are not going to be happy.

DayUSeX

03-07-04, 08:33 PM

well i used to run seti but folding for cancer makes me feel liky my cycles are doing something, rather than just scannig useless stuff

Cjwinnit

03-07-04, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by {PMS}fishy
Yeah. Being an X-SETI user, I hope they don't get wind of this. They are not going to be happy.

Why? If they were asking between themselves for any of us to SETI I'd leave them ot it!

To each his own.

SewerBeing

03-07-04, 08:56 PM

I used seti a bit, but I figure a potential cure for cancer is more worth it. So all you seti users out there FOLD.

TalRW

03-07-04, 09:06 PM

One of my friends SETI's he knows I FOLD. We respect each other, because I mean it's better than some of our other friends who refuse to do either, I see it as doing something at least with your spare cycles, I mean so many people don't do anything with them you may as well search the stars rather than let them go to waste.

Hughhefner

03-07-04, 09:15 PM

Well gentelmen, I being the #45 SETI member might be willing to join you SOON. I'm just trying to finish what I started back in Aug. of 99. My milestone goal is to crunch 20,000 and be in the top 40 of our team.

Current rigs are as follows:

Mobile barton at 2700mhz
barton 2500 at 2426
barton 2600 at 2300
barton 2500 at 2200
4 Tbred 1800's at 2100-2300

Perhaps you guys can enlighten me on the team--stats - how to join etc.
Do you keep individual stats? daily weekly?

I know fighting cancer is a noble cause, I'm an insurance agent and a very close friend-client has just come down with breast cancer--my god she's only 45.

the seti thing is SUPPOSED to be ending soon and BIONIC is around the corner as they say

PhreakinSyco

03-07-04, 09:29 PM

Kul.. that would be amazing to combine into one team! But as for now I support the OC SETI Team 100%.

But what takes so many clock cycles to compute? I thought SETI just listened? How does that use up clock cycles?

I guess aliens are important.. but in my mind they would be SO advanced by the time the radio waves reached us they could seek us out. So (using my logic) I will try to help the world with problems that can make a difference NOW.

Anyway the aliens told me last night when I was on their ship that they will contact us when they want to. So you guys can just give up and Fold!

FreakinSyco

Mr. Chambers

03-07-04, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Hughhefner
Well gentelmen, I being the #45 SETI member might be willing to join you SOON. I'm just trying to finish what I started back in Aug. of 99. My milestone goal is to crunch 20,000 and be in the top 40 of our team.

Current rigs are as follows:

Mobile barton at 2700mhz
barton 2500 at 2426
barton 2600 at 2300
barton 2500 at 2200
4 Tbred 1800's at 2100-2300

Perhaps you guys can enlighten me on the team--stats - how to join etc.
Do you keep individual stats? daily weekly?

I know fighting cancer is a noble cause, I'm an insurance agent and a very close friend-client has just come down with breast cancer--my god she's only 45.

the seti thing is SUPPOSED to be ending soon and BIONIC is around the corner as they say

the stats are actually updated every 3 hours. the best site for folding stats, in my opinion, is the rainbow stats over at extreme folding HERE (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/).

i sure hope you do decide to join us soon - you'd climb up the ranks pretty fast with that kind of power, and would be a great contribution to the team indeed!

nikhsub1

03-07-04, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Hughhefner
Well gentelmen, I being the #45 SETI member might be willing to join you SOON. I'm just trying to finish what I started back in Aug. of 99. My milestone goal is to crunch 20,000 and be in the top 40 of our team.

Current rigs are as follows:

Mobile barton at 2700mhz
barton 2500 at 2426
barton 2600 at 2300
barton 2500 at 2200
4 Tbred 1800's at 2100-2300

Perhaps you guys can enlighten me on the team--stats - how to join etc.
Do you keep individual stats? daily weekly?

I know fighting cancer is a noble cause, I'm an insurance agent and a very close friend-client has just come down with breast cancer--my god she's only 45.

the seti thing is SUPPOSED to be ending soon and BIONIC is around the corner as they say

Stats:
Main Stanford Stats: http://folding.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/teampage?q=32
Rainbow Stats (shows Points per day/week etc.): http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_members.php?TeamID=32
Java sortable stats: www.statsman.info
My personal favorite stats: http://stats.zerothelement.com/cgi-bin/folding3/render-users.pl?team=32

To join, just use the One click service install found HERE (http://www.ocforums.com/vb/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=231247). OUr team is team 32, just choose a username, no need to sign up or register anywhere.

@md0Cer

03-07-04, 10:06 PM

Maybe the SETI guys will find aliens that have superduper CPU's and we will own [H] in 30 seconds :D

Hughhefner

03-07-04, 10:14 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate the info.

So how does one get points, looks like some KIND of 5 point system..
Is it as simple as #points per given WU?

In a few months I will be running a smaller farm consisting of 5-6 Mobile bartons each at 2600-2800 to help lower my electicity bill.
Summers coming up faster than we know.

n17ikh

03-07-04, 10:15 PM

It's rather curious that I found this thread... I have SETI'd for 9 months now and am converting to folding...

So, you have another n00b folder to educate ;)

Maxvla

03-07-04, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by n17ikh
It's rather curious that I found this thread... I have SETI'd for 9 months now and am converting to folding...

So, you have another n00b folder to educate ;)
excellent! given recent news we might just be matching ocau very soon. they've got a tiny lead on us though.. so it'll take a while but we'll eventually pass them :D

Maxvla

03-07-04, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Hughhefner
Thanks guys, I appreciate the info.

So how does one get points, looks like some KIND of 5 point system..
Is it as simple as #points per given WU?

In a few months I will be running a smaller farm consisting of 5-6 Mobile bartons each at 2600-2800 to help lower my electicity bill.
Summers coming up faster than we know.
the point system is kinda odd on folding. it doesn't go by # of wu cause some wu's take longer to complete than others. the points are based on a 400mhz celeron afaik. some work units are worth as much as 70 points, some only 18 or less. obviously the 70's take much longer than the 18s so it usually works out to be about the same point production for the amount of time spent.

PhreakinSyco

03-07-04, 10:37 PM

Well I think that one of you upper level educated Folders should make a friendly post on the SETI Forums. I have seen a couple of posts regaurding people leaving and deciding what to do after SETI Phase 1 is over.

I think a simple nice invitation with a quick brief FAQ would be very helpful for the waivering SETI user.

FreakinSyco

Hughhefner

03-07-04, 10:45 PM

well said even for a phreaking psyco JK
Alot of us DIE hard SETI guys are just trying to finish what we started, in my case that was Aug.99 and 17,400 works units ago. I was always wondering what to do when I hit 20,000.

Seachin for aliens is nice but I would just assume that they know we are here and are just wanting for us to destoy our own planet in a few thousand years so they can move in. Sorry guys I've that STARGATE TV show all in my head.

Folding looks like the best way for me to contribe to an excellent cause, ridding earth of cancer..

here's to joining you soon. Hef

PS can my Bunnies join too? they are NOT all stupid, they just act that way.

Cjwinnit

03-07-04, 10:46 PM

Not sure that's a great idea. It's got good intentions of course, but we would be treading on someone else's lawn ;)

How about the SETI guys who don't take up the new part, fold for a subteam in F@H to rival OC3D ?

Cjwinnit

03-07-04, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Hughhefner
PS can my Bunnies join too? they are NOT all stupid, they just act that way.

*Bites tongue*

*check's avatar*

*Bites Giraffe's leg*

*checks for mods*

*playfully bites bunnies* :D

Tismedt

03-07-04, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Hughhefner
Folding looks like the best way for me to contribe to an excellent cause, ridding earth of cancer..

here's to joining you soon. Hef

PS can my Bunnies join too? they are NOT all stupid, they just act that way.

Folding is a most worthy cause and we here at team 32 will welcome you with open arms. Its very simple to setup and track your stats and such. I've never run SETI so I know nothing about it. With the farm you have now you would leap and bound to the upper tier of our ranks in no time. We are currently in third place behind [H]ardocp and OCAU. We are in a growing period right now and I hope to see us move up at least 1 spot this yr. Your farm will help a bunch. And the sooner the better.

And by all means bring the bunnies and post lots of pictures:D

n17ikh this is a very friendly team. Any questions you have just ask away and you will get decent informative responses pretty much 24/7. Welcome to the team, Glad to have you both aboard

Fast420A

03-08-04, 01:31 AM

Welcome to the Team everyone!!! Live by our team motto, BUILD, BORG, RECRUIT! Fold On!!!!!

Crash893

03-08-04, 01:31 AM

having two teams acutally does serve a purpose

what if folding or seti were to be shut down

what would everyone do

diversity is the key

Cjwinnit

03-08-04, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Crash893
having two teams acutally does serve a purpose

what if folding or seti were to be shut down

what would everyone do

diversity is the key

Should both shut down? I might do a little Prime factoring.....

Maxvla

03-08-04, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Cjwinnit

Should both shut down? I might do a little Prime factoring.....
should both shut down.. i'd probly go united devices.

nikhsub1

03-08-04, 03:01 AM

As far as how many points each WU is worth, have a look here: http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html This is the ever changing project summary, with the project #'s, points, and how long you have to complete the particular WU. You can NOT choose which WU's you will get, you can and should 'request' the Gromacs core as the compute much faster and yeild a higher PPW than the Tinker core.

aftermath

03-08-04, 03:31 AM

I used to be a seti person when i went DP i did both for a bit. then i swiched, got confused waiting and waiting and waiting for stage 2, didnt understand what was going to happen and id done a few wu for ocsetiteam so i thought time to swich.
Diversity is the spice of life.

Quailane

03-08-04, 03:13 PM

I feel that folding is actually real. It has ramifications that help human-kind.

Searching for aliens? C'mon. What is it going to do for you? Even if there was a real alien transmission that got picked up, how could it be proven that that is what it is? I don't know many versed in ukturian. Who said the aliens even had to have radio transmissions? If my reception gets crappy sometimes only 40 miles away from philly, how do you expect us to pick up ones from trillions of miles away? I think I'll leave that to nasa sending out space probes in the future. I'd rather have us be the aliens in independence day than some other life form.

Scyrage

03-08-04, 04:25 PM

JUST DO BOTH!! woot

Arkaine23

03-08-04, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Cjwinnit
Not sure that's a great idea. It's got good intentions of course, but we would be treading on someone else's lawn ;)

How about the SETI guys who don't take up the new part, fold for a subteam in F@H to rival OC3D ?

Bring it!

<--- majority of OC3d's powah

belorsch

03-08-04, 05:54 PM

Mr. Chambers

03-08-04, 06:03 PM

i agree. EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, no one is wrong or right for folding or not folding. i used to SETI a bit myself back in the day, and i believe both projects are useful and have their merits!

Hughhefner

03-08-04, 06:28 PM

well said Mr. Chambers, to each his own. When I started running seti back in aug of 99 it was the only thing I knew about and it sparked my interest.
When I hit my personal goals within seti in a few weeks I plan to make the move to fold, and yes for team 32 overclockers.

Having a close friend of mine recent come down with breast cancer and my ex-mother in law dying from cancer kinda puts things into perspective for ME.

Take care everyone see you in a few weeks

johan851

03-08-04, 07:03 PM

I don't know many versed in ukturian. Who said the aliens even had to have radio transmissions?
Actually, it's not searching for radio transmissions as far as I know - it's radio telescopes and the like. Far more advanced - SETI isn't looking for Ukturian music on FM. :D

I Fold, and don't crunch SETI - even then, I found that post a little offensive. SETI users would even more so, I'm sure, so...you might want to be careful. :)

PhreakinSyco

03-08-04, 08:13 PM

Well I don't think that this post was initially created to offend (I would know.. I created it). It is here beacuse I noticed a thread in the SETI forum that disucusses what their plans after Phase 1 is over.

---To quote myself---
This is probably not a new thought and I can imagine that all those SETI folks wouldn't give up all there hard earned Pts just to fold.
----

This in NO WAY should anger a SETI user.. In fact all the posts from SETI users have been positive. We have been thanked for the info. The only people that have expressed any offense to this thread have been F@H users.

---To quote myself again--
But as for now I support the OC SETI Team 100%
---

Anyway, if I were a SETI user and read this post I would read it lightheartedly.. and anyone who doesn't view it that way has a chip on their shoulder.. To each his own...

FOLD ON!

FreakinSyco

Maxvla

03-08-04, 08:27 PM

is the original SETI thing still going on? i figured it had stopped. if its still going.. theres a particular thread from a couple years ago that needs to be bumped ;)

Hughhefner

03-08-04, 08:32 PM

Yes yes the ORIGINAL SETI is still going on, they have been saying it would end in a few months. Well that was 1 year ago and they're still waiting..

The next format is goint to be BIONIC, no not Steve Austin or Jamie Summers but the format that many of these platforms will be SHARING shortly. It will allow people to FOLD, watch aliens and even a few other searches all in on e platform.

Perhaps that why its been sooo long in the making.

Thats why many of us our looking for something to do when SETI 1 is over.

Maxvla

03-08-04, 09:07 PM

bumped my thread, didn't know seti 1 was still going on or i woulda bumped it a few months ago as well.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107033

Tismedt

03-08-04, 11:03 PM

And a very nice thread it is Maxvla. I have never crunched so I can't move points around but it seems you have helped the seti team a bunch in the past with that little bump. Good job lets hope it will work again

Fold On

Crash893

03-08-04, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Quailane
I feel that folding is actually real. It has ramifications that help human-kind.

Searching for aliens? C'mon. What is it going to do for you? Even if there was a real alien transmission that got picked up, how could it be proven that that is what it is? I don't know many versed in ukturian. Who said the aliens even had to have radio transmissions? If my reception gets crappy sometimes only 40 miles away from philly, how do you expect us to pick up ones from trillions of miles away? I think I'll leave that to nasa sending out space probes in the future. I'd rather have us be the aliens in independence day than some other life form.

well in that manner its like religion

everyone belives that there's is "the one true religion" and all the other people are just toiling under faulse bleifes

but then if you ask them they are doing what is just and right and you are the one that is spinning your wheels

and yes if one side assimilated the other and both brought there colective powers to bear on one of the projects you would probably skyrocket to #1

but then what you dont get a seti or folding "prize" for being #1

basicly both sides are looking for a needle in a pretty big haystack

Agent_Mull

03-09-04, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Quailane
I feel that folding is actually real. It has ramifications that help human-kind.

Searching for aliens? C'mon. What is it going to do for you? Even if there was a real alien transmission that got picked up, how could it be proven that that is what it is? I don't know many versed in ukturian. Who said the aliens even had to have radio transmissions? If my reception gets crappy sometimes only 40 miles away from philly, how do you expect us to pick up ones from trillions of miles away? I think I'll leave that to nasa sending out space probes in the future. I'd rather have us be the aliens in independence day than some other life form.
Counter Points

Do you have a vaccuum between your radio station, and your radio
We arent looking for actual voice/data, but just signals that are artifical. We dont need to understand them
We pick up radio waves from stars that are 500 light years away, so we should beable to pick up other stuff.
The probes dont scan for radio waves, and they still need someone to process all that data
In independence day, did we not win? ;)

Agent_Mull

03-09-04, 05:42 PM

oh ya, btw, is folding pretty nub friendly? i was thinking of putting seti in my aim profile. Can the average person/kid setup folding as easily as the seti screen saver?

Tismedt

03-09-04, 08:43 PM

Yes its very easy in its most complex form and one of our star folders Wedo has comeup with a oneclick install proggy that makes it so easy its scary. Just make sure if you use the oneclick install you change the default username to yours or you'll be giving wedo points. I've seen several ppl groaning about it but wedo tells you in the instructions to change the name so....

Also the folks here at team 32 are very friendly and are willing to help pretty much 24/7. We have several active members that live in Europe so help is always around.

We all here would love to have you as teammate. So give it some thought. We are currently in third place in the world and looking to move up in the ranks. Your rig(s) would sure help in that endeavor.

Agent_Mull

03-09-04, 08:52 PM

When phase one is over on seti, im moving to BIONIC, and ill crunch a mix of seti and folding.

Maxvla

03-09-04, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Agent_Mull
When phase one is over sometime in the next decade, im moving to BIONIC, and ill crunch a mix of seti and folding.
fixed :D :o

Agent_Mull

03-09-04, 09:59 PM

lol thanks.

Wedo

03-10-04, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Quailane
I feel that folding is actually real. It has ramifications that help human-kind.

Searching for aliens? C'mon....

C'mon now, people, I took this post by Quailane as sarcasm, I thought he was joking. Don't make me get all "Back in My Day" on you, but...

Back in My Day, there was, and always has been, a mutual respect between crunchers and folders. However, take OC'ing uber Geeks, mix in a points system, and sprinkle a little testosterone and with that respect comes a little smacketh downeth.

While the combined teams would produce a computing power the size of Texas, it is but a dream as most crunchers are as apt to switch over as we would be to switch to their project.

But if we can steal a few here and there, I'm down. :D

Wedo

PhreakinSyco

03-10-04, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Wedo

...While the combined teams would produce a computing power the size of Texas, it is but a dream as most crunchers are as apt to switch over as we would be to switch to their project...

Wedo

So how many Gigaflops is the size of texas?

FreakinSyco
/sarcasm off