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erics1one
03-08-04, 07:50 PM
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I'm pretty sure I can :) Here's my setup and some pics.
Fronts:
1 set of JBL Northridge N26's 150w (hanging on the top of the wall)
1 Set of Logitech Z-560's 400w (hanging in the middle)
1 Set of Klipsch Promedia 2.1's 200w (on either side of monitor)
1 Yamaha YST-80 150w 8" sub
1 Sub from Z560's
1 Sub from Promedia 2.1's (subs are under the desk and cannot be seen in this pic.
Check post here for the rear speakers pic 8th post down http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=275333
Here are my rear speakers:
1 set of Pioneer G405 Loudspeakers/w 15" woofers 150w (Speakers the z560's are sitting on)
1 set of Infinity Alpha 50's 200w (tower speakers in between the pioneers)
1 set of Logitech z-560's 400w (on top of the pioneers)
1 Mission MS10 150w 10" sub (black cube left of the pioneers)
1 D-box 303 200w 12" sub (in between the alpha 50's and holding up the z560's sub)
1 sub from the logitech z560.
The pioneers, alpha 50's and the subs all run through a Harman/Kardon HK3480 120w per channel, high current, ultra wide bandwidth stereo reciever. At the end of the day maximum spl I've recorded was from the opening battle scene from LOTR: fellowship of the ring, at a hefty 118dB.
Forgot to mention last time I saw those pics 12am....
Nice posters :cool:
whitehaze
03-09-04, 03:54 PM
Right we are running a 600w Sony pro logic amp the one you see in the pic running the 2 floor standing speakers which hold 15" subs 300w and 2 tweaters in each + the two rears
we also have a 400w Yamaha Pro logic running the 2x 350w auditech speakers (wall mounted - which hold 12" subs) and the floor center speaker that holds a 400w JBL car sub + two rears and two more in the dining room (lan room)
so 11 speakers in total that rattle and shake our flat \o/
So we DO rock!! :mad: :D
james.miller
03-09-04, 05:21 PM
ekk. I like to keep it simple lol. all those different subs in different positisions must creat havoc for sound quality lol.
At the end of the day maximum spl I've recorded was from the opening battle scene from LOTR: fellowship of the ring, at a hefty 118dB.
Dissapointing for that many subs tbh.
James miller you ever have something nice to say about me and my stuff? ;). Actually the subs play quite well with each other (had to reverse phase on 1 of em to get them to play nice). For dvd playback however I only run the klipsch jbl and infinity speakers along with the dbox, mission and yamaha subs to keep the sound quality high. Logitechs are strictly for gaming purposes as they bring down the sound quality when played with the others. It could be louder but the computer sends a weak signal to the h/k reciever so the speaks/subs aren't going as loud as they should. Also lets not forget that a rock concert is around 110dB and damage to your hearing occurs around 120dB so I wouldn't consider 118dB to be dissapointing. Oh and Evnas, thanks for the compliment, my g/f won them for me when we went to the ahem "sports bar" for my bday.
zabomb4163
03-09-04, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by 12am
Check post here for the rear speakers pic 8th post down http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=275333
Here are my rear speakers:
1 set of Pioneer G405 Loudspeakers/w 15" woofers 150w (Speakers the z560's are sitting on)
1 set of Infinity Alpha 50's 200w (tower speakers in between the pioneers)
1 set of Logitech z-560's 400w (on top of the pioneers)
1 Mission MS10 150w 10" sub (black cube left of the pioneers)
1 D-box 303 200w 12" sub (in between the alpha 50's and holding up the z560's sub)
1 sub from the logitech z560.
The pioneers, alpha 50's and the subs all run through a Harman/Kardon HK3480 120w per channel, high current, ultra wide bandwidth stereo reciever. At the end of the day maximum spl I've recorded was from the opening battle scene from LOTR: fellowship of the ring, at a hefty 118dB.
my system is crying :rolleyes:
HKB6 bookshelf speakers - front channel
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.asp?cat=BFS&prod=HKB%206&sType=C
12" JL W3 - front subwoofer
http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/pdfs/10_12W6_MAN.pdf
Sony floor loudspeakers - rear channel
telex ev sonic - rear channel subwoofer and highs
http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=telexevsonicxs&page=5
(i gotta find more places to put speakers...HKB's are the size of my monitor)
-on a sidenote for those wanting to build systems, 1/2 volume has already decreased my ability to hear well. be careful with the volume.
Ahh man not to worry you'll get used to not hearing so well soon enough :).
{PMS}fishy
03-09-04, 10:29 PM
All that base, what a system really needs is ear piercing treble. Im running a set of Infinity Kappas in my car at 80w each, and man that hurts. Its so tight and crisp. I have yet to hear anything like these speakers, in terms of treble.
My alpha 50's produce the ear splitting treble, as the tweeter that powers your kappa's uses the very same C.M.M.D cone technology as the ones in my alpha 50's, produces very sharp treble indeed. I would be interested in hearing the car audio version after hearing what the C.M.M.D cones are capable of. How much did you get them for?
zabomb4163
03-09-04, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by {PMS}fishy
All that base, what a system really needs is ear piercing treble. Im running a set of Infinity Kappas in my car at 80w each, and man that hurts. Its so tight and crisp. I have yet to hear anything like these speakers, in terms of treble.
my HK6's are 150watts a piece.
http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.asp?cat=BFS&ser=&prod=HKB%206&sType=C
trust me it is ear piercing. sine sweep at 3/4 volume was unbearable.
12am- what upgrade would you suggest for my system?
zabomb4163
03-09-04, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by 12am
I would be interested in hearing the car audio version after hearing what the C.M.M.D cones are capable of. How much did you get them for?
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12490
you can get them for 120$ shipped.
tom10167
03-10-04, 02:34 AM
Two JBL 4311B's. That's what I see when I'm facing forward on my bed about 10 feet from me. They're studio monitors. The image quality is incredibly, not too bad for being about 30 years old.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3083660198&category=61377
Basically those, but the professional model. I think my dad paid $500 a piece when he was a kid. psshht you kids and your fancy balsa-wood enclosures, carpeting, psshhttt.
These things are 46 pounds each, solid maple, and I truly, TRULY love them.
{PMS}fishy
03-10-04, 11:14 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12am
My alpha 50's produce the ear splitting treble, as the tweeter that powers your kappa's uses the very same C.M.M.D cone technology as the ones in my alpha 50's, produces very sharp treble indeed. I would be interested in hearing the car audio version after hearing what the C.M.M.D cones are capable of. How much did you get them for? [/QUOTE
I think that I picked them up on sale for $75 or so, for the 6.5" ones.
james.miller
03-10-04, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by 12am
James miller you ever have something nice to say about me and my stuff? ;).
:D you know im kidding lol.
Thanks for the prices guys, and zabomb, I would look into getting a new reciever first and foremost, as a new reciever would boost the sound quality of your new hk's.
zabomb4163
03-10-04, 03:40 PM
what type of receiver would you recommend?
keep in mind i can not add a center channel due to space restrictions and that my rear speakers are self powered.
Well, if you don't need a 5.1 reciever h/k makes some of the best 2 channel recievers ever. I own the hk3480 and it never ceases to impress, has good warm sound and has power in spades. I would reccomend the hk3375 or 3380, however if you do have the cash to spend I would heartily reccomend the 3480.
rabdatrox
03-10-04, 10:09 PM
12, how much you predict that whole setup cost total?
Around 2700 CDN is what I've payed building this system.
Voodoo Rufus
03-11-04, 12:22 AM
Hmm, some of those are alright.
My family's pride and joy :D :
http://overclockers.no-ip.com/forums/uploads/post-7-1073368148.jpg - Klipschorns, 90W/ch 100V Sony high end amp (better than ES, not sold in US), 5 disc changer (gets the job done, no SACD player yet). We only run a few watts into those K-horns, disconnected the Zener diodes (much clearer highs now), and have 2A fuses on them (just in case).
And my comp setup:
http://specnet.no-ip.com/vpics/Picturesmall.JPG Klipsch PM 4.1s, until I have the money to make my own DIY setup or get a pair of Heresy IIs.
system as in computer system maybe no. but computers sound like crap.
if you want to listen to music then invest in some decent audiophile equipment, and sony isn't decent.
some links.
http://www.audioresearch.com/
http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/Van_menu.html
http://www.harmanspecialtygroup.com/
http://www.audioquest.com/
that should get you started
Very nice, are those cabinets oak?
murdok5
03-12-04, 11:16 AM
okay guys.......heres my setup....
comp out in livingroom alot for games and music, paties...etc...
reciever: Yamaha HTR-5660
Monster Clean Power surge.....(not sure on model, so voltage regulation thingy..)
Front Speakers (pair) (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=E100CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=BFS)
Rear Speakers (pair) (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=S38IICH&CheckProduct=Y)
Front Center (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=EC35CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=CCS)
Rear Center (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=EC25CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=CCS)
Subwoofer (http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=55)
running 12 guage rockford fosgate wire for fronts, 15 guage monster for rest of satelites, and moster cable for sub
sorry i have no pics....:(....but wow....call of duty wakes the neighborhood up!!!!!
mike
no offence but sony armps are notoriously weak :s.
prefer my marantz sr4400. 80wpc 6.1 ne one who says thats weak is stupid, i cant get past 40watt before its so loud i can hear it houses away.
and a nice mordaunt short ms309 subwoofer 150 watt again its never been past half its volume as its just too loud.
murdok5
03-12-04, 02:25 PM
i wouldnt buy anything but a yamaha amp :)
zabomb4163
03-12-04, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by murdok5
okay guys.......heres my setup....
comp out in livingroom alot for games and music, paties...etc...
reciever: Yamaha HTR-5660
Monster Clean Power surge.....(not sure on model, so voltage regulation thingy..)
Front Speakers (pair) (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=E100CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=BFS)
Rear Speakers (pair) (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=S38IICH&CheckProduct=Y)
Front Center (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=EC35CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=CCS)
Rear Center (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.asp?ProdId=EC25CH&SerId=NRE&sCatId=CCS)
Subwoofer (http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=55)
running 12 guage rockford fosgate wire for fronts, 15 guage monster for rest of satelites, and moster cable for sub
sorry i have no pics....:(....but wow....call of duty wakes the neighborhood up!!!!!
mike
eh. no offence, but ill have a hard time believing thats your system without pics.
http://www.myharman.net/Images/Products/ENTRACENTER2BLK.jpg
my next upgrade speakerwise will be an Infinity 2-way center channel and a more powerful amp for my subwoofer. space restrictions are preventing this upgrade for the moment.
murdok5
03-12-04, 06:14 PM
well im ghetto and i have no digicam....so here are my pics of setup with the camera on my cell fone.....(dont laugh)
Pics of stereo.....(without comp) (http://oregonstate.edu/~smithm5/pics%20of%20stereo/)
Nicey nice, whew looks like I got a little bit of competition here :)
murdok5
03-12-04, 11:37 PM
maybe u guys can help me out....
we ahve alot of parties seeing as how its college.....and some stupid*** made a dent in the cone fo the driver of me rear speaker.....its not to big..about 2 inches in diametter...and dented in...
how can i get it back out?
my friend sugested putting a small amount of superglue on a toothpick and letting it dry in teh center of the cone, then pulling it out liek that.....
any input helpfull....
thanks mike
Voodoo Rufus
03-13-04, 01:30 AM
If it doesn't appear to affect the sound, don't bother (especially if it's a bass driver). Repairing it would be difficult.
depending on the size of the dent try to find a straw or tube and gently suck the dent out, I've done it for a few of my friends and it works pretty well, it just doesn't do well for the polymer/titanium cones.
Voodoo Rufus
03-13-04, 01:50 AM
Haha, that's a cool idea 12am. I'm laughing at that one but it does sound like it'll work.
It does work, found out about it when I was a kid. My friends dad had a huge wall of speakers (alot of 10-15"drivers) and us bieng young and stupid started pushing on the cones till it bent in. My buddy was freaking out and then I saw a piece of rubber tubing and gave it a try and it popped right back out (of course cones were made of paper and cloth back then) since then I've used the technique a few times on the cones of my pioneers, as I've had parties with girls who just cannot look without touching :rolleyes:
Sure, I would love to beat your system.
First I think I would use a baseball bat, then when things get a little smaller I would make a few passes with the lawnmower to mulch them down.
If thats not possible then maybe I could hear that beast thumping away while I frag a lil.
murdok5
03-13-04, 05:07 PM
well i tried hooking a suction cup up to a vacuum adn it didnt work......jsut overheated teh vacuum and then there was a weird smell :(
i tried with tape and other tubing to attach it to the vacuum and i got it very secure....jsut didnt work....ima go get some super glue and try a VERY small dab with a toothpick.....last hope.....
it jsut annoying the **** outta me to kno its there.......
it's a polymer cone isnt it?
murdok5
03-14-04, 12:36 AM
yeah.....
im going to try it now.....wish me luck......
murdok5
03-14-04, 02:34 AM
no luck.....i jsut ripped a lil of the silver paint off :(
will try tomorrow with a straw....
not good :( heck if it has grilles just slap em on and pretend it's not there.
murdok5
03-15-04, 10:55 AM
yeah thats all i can do now......
Man that's no good, time to implement a no touching rule.
Innocent Victim
03-16-04, 07:32 PM
Usually, I just use a crappy Cambridge Soundworks for my computer, but occasionally I will hook it up to my surround sound system which consists of:
Marantz 4200
Paradigm Phantoms
Paradigm CC270
Paradigm Titans
SVS PCi 25-31
Also for a DVD player I have a Denon 910. It's a nice setup, but I can't use it to its full capabilities because I live in a small apartment building.
I have a 2.1 Music system that i've used with my PC. My mains are GR-research AV-1's. I put on the finish myself, Its a textured back. And i didnt use grilles.
http://www.gr-research.com/performer/av1finished.htm
My receiver is a H/K AVR 120 (used to have parasound preamp and power amp but sold um). The H/K is an OK receiver. I miss the parasound stuff but in the end functionality won out and i went for something that has a remote control unlike the parasound stuff. BTW i do use Mission Model 70 Mk II speakers in the rear for gaming but for music its only 2.1
My subwoofer is a DIY Tempest based monster. It's 62" tall and 20" diameter. It is a downfiring desing with a port on top. Much like a SVS subwoofer but MUCH larger. I have clocked it over 115 DB's while playing DVD's I know i can go louder but last time i really cranked it up i popped 6 nails out of my drywall near my subwoofer :/. My parents didnt really appreciate that to much. The sub is a little better than an SVS ultra fro those of you who know SVS. The sub is finished in a black fabric sock over the sonotube and it has stained oak endcaps with an oak baseplate. Heres a link the Tempest driver
http://www.adireaudio.com/diy_audio/drivers/adire/tempest.htm
If anyone wants pictures i can take some tonight :D
Ryan
james.miller
03-17-04, 02:44 PM
see, 12am. i told you 118 was poor for that many subs;)
Well you cant compare DIY stuff to retail. It isnt very fair. To get the same performance of a large Tempest subwoofer you would have to spend a TON in the retail market. Companys have to make their money so they mark stuff up about 2 to 3 times what they paid for it sometimes more. So even though i only paid $300 for my sub thats in parts only. The next cheapest retail subwoofer that competes is an SVS ultra which go for around $1000 and even that is a mail order sub. Also my sub is MUCH larger than his so it isnt very fair to campare them.
My friend has a smaller Dayton 15" DVC subwoofer. The Dayton DVC is very similar to the Tempest. The enclosure is about 40" tall and 20" dia. In his room which is slighty smaller than mine we hit 121 Db's on LOTR and the Star wars pod racer scene. That was just the subwoofer only no main speakers playing. Needless to say It was very loud. With my room (15'x11'x8') i can hit low 120's with the tempest but there isnt much point in it playing that loud cause its way above referance level and i never play it that loud while watching movies or listening to music. It is nice to have headroom though. Anyway you slice it if you can hit 118 Db's cleanly you have one heck of a sub.
Ryan
Heheh ya and I told ya the computer sends a weak signal to my reciever ;). I have yet to try my subs with my cd player wich cranks out massive ammounts of sound compared to the pc. For example, on my digital vol control -21db(cd player) is very painfull on the ears while I have to crank it to -10db(pc) to even get close to the volume of the cd player. Oh and the distance in which you test your subs spl will change the results dramatically, for example the sub on the z560's. If you place the spl meter 1 foot or less from the sub it will register in the 100-112range while moving to 4 or more feet away will only garner about 85-90db. I take my measurements from my listening position which is about 6 feet from my rear subs. I could test again at a closer range and report the results back if interested. Ryan how far away from the subs are you testing your spl at?
Edit: Sounds like one heck of a sub Ryan! You got pics? I'd be interested in seeing the box you built. Oh and is that sixty inches tall? if so that is one huge enclosure!.
yes its 62" tall. It isnt a box BTW its a sonotube. Think of a Giant 50 lbs cardboard toilet paper roll that is 1/4" thick :D. Sonotube is made for building construction. When they dig the holes for the building support they use sonotube to hold the cement in. with my friends sub we measured from seating distance about 6' away. His room wasnt very big (10'x11'x8') so he got a nice boost. When i initially measured SPL for my sub it was in a sealed MDF box. The box was 24"x24"x32" and weighed in at about 215 Lbs. It was an absolute monster. It was designed sealed for music. The goal was a Q of .577 if that means anything to you. Basically the lower the Q the tighter and cleaner the bass is. Anyhow the sealed sub at about 8' away hit around 116 dbs in monsters inc demo and toy story 2 DVD. I had to move from St. louis to CA so i couldnt exactly take a 215 lb box with me. I found someone selling this very nice sonotube enclosure. he ended up giving it to me which was very nice. It only weighs about 90 Lbs so its much lighter but its bigger overall. The sub is also ported so i get a TON more output for movies. I havnt measured the SPL this specific enclosure yet. But my friends is a smaller one and the driver isnt quite the same as the Tempest. From the speaker design programs i've used it says i should hit over 120 dbs without much problem. I used to use my friends SPL meter but i dont know anyone with a SPL meter out here.
I'll get some new pictures up tonight. I have some up right now but they are old pics from ST. Louis and the quality isnt very good. even so if you want to see them the site is..
http://geocities.com/ryatod/tempest.html
The first picture on the left is of the raw enclosure with no sock. You can see the recessed area where you mount the plate amp and the front there is a small recess for the remote control. As you can see he spray painted the enclosure. Sonotube is usually yellow with a wax covering on it. Since he didnt want the yellow to show through the sock he spray painted it.
The picture on the right is my old room in ST. Louis. You can see one of my AV 1's next to the sub. The sock is on the subwoofer in this picture. You can also see my custom speaker wire. I used CAT5 cable to make a very nice DIY cable. It is 110 individual CAT5 wires (52 pairs of 2 wires each) They are all braided 3 times together. It makes a great sounding cable but it acts like a capacitor so you have to keep the length as short as possible. Heres the site in case anyones interested in trying it
http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html
The bottom picture is of the port on the top of the enclosure. It is 6" dia and 28" long. That tunes the enclosure to 16.4 Hz.
Ryan
Whew good god! very nice indeed. I could use a sub like that in my system. I've been thinking about building my own sub for awhile now, this might be the nudge I need :).
If you get a decent driver like a 15" DVC or a Tempest and you have the room for a giant enclosure then DIY cant be beat. If you have a lot of money to burn and can afford a really powerful amp then you can snag something like an AV15 which will cream a Tempest like mine.
http://www.stryke.com/AVseries.html
The AV 15 doesn’t really require as big of a box but you need a lot of good power. Some ware in the ball park or 500 to 700 Watts RMS. So that will come out to about $300 for a pro audio amplifier and $205 for the driver.
I'm still a big fan of the Tempest because in a large enclosure you can push it to the max with only 300 watts. Thats only around $120 for a plate amp that has 272 watts and the driver is only $150 so its dirt cheap and you can hit crazy SPL's. If your really really rich and somewhat insane you can snag a Tumult from Adire audio.
http://www.adireaudio.com/diy_audio/drivers/adire/tumult.htm
you need around 1500 watts to push it to the limit but its roughly the equivalent to 4 tempest!
:D
Ryan
Heh I wish I was rich! took me round 6 years to gather all this stereo stuff of mine, 1 part at a time. Thanks for the info, you know of a good retailer that sells amplifiers?
Well most the time i would go online for amps. www.partsexpress.com is usually one of the best online retailers. If you go with a Tempest or 15" DVC parts expresses 250 watt plate amp is all that you need. I would head on over to www.hometheaterforum.com and see what other people have done. If you have access to a router and a jasper jig you should be set to build a sonotube subwoofer. You will just have to call up some local concrete construction places and see how much it is for some sono tube. It's almost always sold in 12' lengths and is usually around $70. If you dont have access to wood working stuff then you could go for one of the kits available. Creative sounds makes some nice ones like this
http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=EZTUBESHIVAP
The driver they use in that kit is the Shiva which is the little brother to the Tempest which i use. You wont hit the super high SPLs like a big tempest but with the enclosure premade and such its a nice deal.
heres some other Tempest based subwoofers people have built
http://www.adireaudio.com/diy_audio/gallery/tempest_territory.htm
Ryan
I was thinking of building a large mdf enclosure housing 2 10-15" drivers similar to Martin Logan's Descent line of subwoofers http://www.martinlogan.com/descent_speaker.html#none thanks again for the good info.
MuEagle05
03-17-04, 05:39 PM
cambridge soundworks ..
Newton series P1000 1000W sub. (no, not a typo, 1000W sub.)
2X floorstanding speakers, 250W each,
center channel, 150W
2X surround speakers.
Pic coming...
MuEagle05
03-17-04, 05:44 PM
:D :D :D
http://members.aol.com/IggyFrLife/images/stereo1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/IggyFrLife/images/stereo2.jpg
I've heard the ML sub. Its not bad for its size. If you can swing it i would take 1 or 2 Tempest. It will crush the ML sub. You will need a pretty large enclosure to hold two Tempest unfortunately. The smallest ported box you could use 2 tempest in is 24"x24"x62" which is HUGE. I would think if you have the room one tempest should fit the bill for your bass needs. If you really want a smaller enclosure you can use the Dayton DVC subwoofers at partsexpress. they have a little less excursion than the Adire drivers but they work better in smaller enclosures. You could stick 2 tempest in a sealed box 18"x18"x44" and have a nice sub for rock music and home theater. but it wont go super low into the 20 Hz range with as much authority as the ported ones will.
Ryan
Heres some more pictures of my current setup. I just threw together a really simple web site with some pictures and text. Let me know what you think.
http://www.geocities.com/ryatod/Room.html
Ryan
I think the sub looks great, a very imaginitive design.
Innocent Victim
03-18-04, 06:28 AM
Ryan nice setup. I am glad to see other HTF members post here. I am CaseyLS over there.
I cant take credit for building the subwoofer enclosure but the design has been around for a while with the Sonotube. I've always liked the more trditional box subwoofers but it just wasnt workable because the box was just too big and heavy.
I've been on HTF since 2001. Its great place to get good info. I have another subwoofer in the desgin stages right now. I'm getting a 10" dayton Titanic driver and i'm going to build a VERY small 10" cube for it to go in. I'm thinking of building an LT circuit and seeing how well it works in that small box. If i'm not satisfied i'm going to get some 12" sonotube from home depot and build a mini sono sub :D. BTW my name is Ryan T over at HTF and HTT.
Ryan
Voodoo Rufus
03-18-04, 10:00 PM
I've seen your name a bit over on HTF. I've only posted about 4 times so you won't know my name probably. Sounds like some cool projects you have going. Which version of the 10" are you using? The Mk. II or III?
actually its the original Titanic 10". It isnt quite as robust as the Mk II or III but its still pretty decent. It has 12 mm Xmax, 25.8Hz FS, 90 Db SPL. It should be a very good little sub. I'm thinkig of putting it in a car once i get one :P. If this thread is still alive once i get the sub and the wood (around the 30th) I'l post consturtion pics.
Ryan
Innocent Victim
03-19-04, 01:07 AM
How do you think it compares to SVS subs? I have one and I love it.
waynebike
03-19-04, 01:46 AM
I have 4 Cypress Audio Lightning S21's hooked up to my Logitech Z-560 THX Cert sub connected to a SoundBlaster Audigy Gamer and they are the clearest speakers i have ever heard.
http://store.yahoo.com/cypressaudio/lightnings21.html
I can provide pics if anyone wants to see them. (other than whats on the site)
well my kit isnt amazing, but for my room its pretty good. any louder than half volume things start to fall vibrate and fall off constantly, which isnt great.
but front two and two rear speakers are my marantz (mordaunt short) ms302s, middle front is again marantz (mordaunt short) ms304c, and my marantz (mordaunt short) ms309 subwoofer, all hooked up to my marantz sr4400 amp, was going to get a htr5660 yam amp, not sure thats correct number but its simular. but instead for the marantz as it was a tad better spec apart from distortion ratio which is still low enough to not notice
yam = 0.01%
marantz = 0.03%
omg 12am, thats alot of sound
Innocent Victim : How do you think it compares to SVS subs? I have one and I love it.
Which subwoofer the Tempest or the Titanic subwoofer I’m planning? If you mean the Tempest than yes it compares very well to the SVS subs. A ported Tempest is a little better than a SVS CS/PC Ultra In extension and SPL. If your talking sound quality any well designed subwoofer will sound the same in my experiences. I would be very surprised if you could tell a difference between the Tempest and an SVS subwoofer other than loudness and extension. If you cross your sub over high (around 100 HZ or so) you can tell a difference between ported and sealed but to tell a difference between towell designed ported subs i dont think so. For me I cross my sub over at a little under 50 Hz. Humans don’t have very good hearing at all in the 50 Hz and below range. So I couldn’t tell a difference between sealed or ported with my crossover point. The small Titanic I'm working on will not compare to an SVS. It is just too small of a driver to keep up with the 12" drivers SVS uses.
Ryan
Originally posted by unreal
omg 12am, thats alot of sound
Hehe thanks man, pics just do not do it justice, you have to listen to it to get the whole experience. On a kinda funny note I've had some people get sick after a few minutes of it pounding away at them.
rogue3092
03-21-04, 03:23 AM
Erm having lots of speakers is fun and all, but whats the point of having 15 mis-matched speakers? Being an audiophile, I can imagine it sounding pretty terrible...
Well I'd love to have you over for a demo to show you just how wrong you are :). Like I've mentioned previously when listening to music or watching dvd's I use the klipsch infinity and jbl speakers. Believe me or not they actually sound extremely good together, granted some sounds are more prominent in certain speakers but it's hardly something that bothers/gets noticed by me or others. The only thing that is lacking is the soundstage as the speakers are really close to one another therefore it doesn't allow for a large soundstage.
DozeBeatS
03-23-04, 08:54 PM
Ive got 2 Huge 3 1/2 ft. high speakers in my basement thatll blow away the competition! And i have maaaaany recievers all over my cribo.
nice systems in here......here's what i got:
1- optimus (200watt) center
4- KLH two ways (100watt each) 2 for front and 2 for rear
2- optimus two way surrounds (75watt each)
2- Sony Gold Series three way towers (100watt each) front
speakers with 2 KLH's
1- Aiwa (100watt) powered sub- 8' woofer (used for front center
sub)
4- 10' MTX Blue Thunders (3 seperate enclosers) 2 are used for
rear right and left and 1 (dual speaker box with horn tweets)
used as rear center sub.
im sure its not the best but it shakes the living hell out of me and house. not to mention i answered door, phone, etc...about 200 times due to the realism sound quality.
stratcatprowlin
04-21-04, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Stee
no offence but sony armps are notoriously weak :s.
prefer my marantz sr4400. 80wpc 6.1 ne one who says thats weak is stupid, i cant get past 40watt before its so loud i can hear it houses away.
and a nice mordaunt short ms309 subwoofer 150 watt again its never been past half its volume as its just too loud.
I also notice that Sony recievers are a bit weak for their rated wattage
But I have an older Sony TA-N55 ES 2 channel 110watt per channel power amp That can sound sweet as tubes and louder than hell.
I have heard Dual mono Marantz amplifiers that cost
$5 thousand and for the $200 i got my ES for, It gives them a good run for the money.
dropadrop
04-22-04, 01:08 AM
Those watts of yours sound really strange... I'm sure I could blow those small speakers rated at 200 or 400w to shreds with my rotel amp, and it's only rated at 2*80 or 1*160w.
Are you reading rms watts?
yo
My friend and me where skrewing around with a car audio comp. sub and we pulverized the sheetrock next to the sub!! LOL
it gets about 110db outside my house!!!! LOL
I thought this thread was old and dead but since its been resurected I figurered i'd post an update on the titanic subwoofer I designed/built. I finished all the cutting and glueing and most the sanding so far. I jsut need to order the black textured laminate and i'll be done :D. Heres some pics of my sub and my system as it is now
http://geocities.com/ryatod/sub.html
http://geocities.com/ezspdif/pics.html
Sorry my stuffs a bit dusty :P.
Ryan
hey Ryan T
do yu ever have the problem of stuff flying off the shelves and causing dust to fall from the cieling with that kind of bass?
hey Ryan T do yu ever have the problem of stuff flying off the shelves and causing dust to fall from the cieling with that kind of bass?
lol no, With my big tempest (that huge round tube to the far left) I've be anble to hit over 115 dB's in room. Accroding to the design programs I should be able to hit higher than that. My friend with a slightly small tube and a very close driver (15" DVC) hit 123 dB from about 2 meters in his room during the pod race scene. I've been too scared to really push mine since last time I did I ended up shaking about 6 nails out of the studs of my wall in the same corner as my sub. The nails came out about 3/4" from the dry wall! The "small" Titanic I built isnt nearly as capable as my huge tempest but it can really hold its own. I was pretty suprised to say the least about its performance.
Ryan
Voodoo Rufus
04-23-04, 05:25 PM
Nice setup Ryan. That Tempest sonotube is HUGE comapared to the midget Titanic box.
yo ryan T can yu get me the plans to that sonotube and the specs on how yu did it? everything that yu can give me! I want to make me one of those. (that pioneer sub i have just plain sucks, it just gets loud and nothing else but ****ing off the cops, they live a block away LOL
also tell me the prices that yu paid for every thing!!
thanks
Voodoo Rufus
04-23-04, 06:53 PM
You'll find a decent amount of info here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22
yeah Voodoo is right www.hometheaterfourm.com is one of if not the best online site for DIY subwoofer info. Thats were I got my start from. I didnt actually build my huge sonosub tempest. But I know how to do it. I originally made a 230 L sealed tempest. I had to move to CA and didn't want to take the 24"x24"x32" 200+ pound box with me so i gave the enclosure to a friend. I found a guy locally who built this sonosub enclosure and he gave it to me :D. Overall they are VERY easy to make. It only takes a router and some basic knowledge of woodworking and how subwoofers work. There are lots of good DIY subwoofer drivers out there. I think the best place to get them would be from Kyle Richardson at acoustic visions.
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/
I've built a lot of subs in the past and so far my favorite drviers have got to be Adire Audio's
www.adireaudio.com
If you want to build a sono sub Patrick Sun has made some very nice pages on a few different designs
http://www.io.com/~patman/sunosub2.html
Overall cost if you build a sono sub (provided you have the tools already) isnt too bad. Your looking at
$75ish for the sonotube
$150 Tempest or 15" DVC
$140 250 Watt PE plate amp
$20 MDF
$20 for various things like glue and PVC pipe for the ports
thats all the basic stuff you'll need. I would strongly suggest heading over to home theater forum and ask the guys over there. If you still wanna clone my sub I can try to get all the numbers for you. Just let me know.
Ryan
Voodoo Rufus
04-23-04, 11:21 PM
Adire = :attn: for sure. :D
yo ryan how did yu hook that up to your computer, the sub i mean?
i was reading that yu had to have a preamp to do it, am i right?
if not how do yu do it?
My Tempest is usually hooked up to my HT receiver. I dont know why you would need a preamp to hook a subwoofer up to a computer.
It can be a bit ticky to hook a regular sub up to a computer becuase the computer sound cards use the 1/8" jacks. I wasnt able to succesfully hook my 10: titanic subwoofer up to my PC because I couldnt get the right splitter to send the subwoofer signal to one channel and the center speaker to another :/.
The best way is to use a HT receiver and the digital output of your sound card. If you dont have a HT receiver then you can do it by is using a 1/8" to dual RCA cable. Then into both channels of the subwoofer line in. Then use a RCA to 1/8" jack cable and plug it into your computer speakers.
Its kinda complicated and you'll loose some signal quality but with most computer speakers it isnt noticable because they arnt really hifi anyways so it usually wont matter.
Ryan
Ya Ryan has it nailed down there. I do the same thing pretty much, subs are connected to the reciever and then the reciever runs to the computer via a rca->stereo mini cable. I use the analog ports though as I have to use 2 recievers to get my 3 subs going.
does anybody know where i can get a real cheap reciever for my setup, im lookin at aroud 50-100 bucks. and i want it be at least decent sound.
hmm I dunno, try your local pawnshops maybe?
Voodoo Rufus
04-29-04, 08:41 PM
Ebay is excellent for receivers and amps. Lots of times you can get quality older stuff for cheap.
Also check out www.audiogon.com and the hardware for sale/trade section of www.hometheaterforum.com
You can post a WTB (want to buy) at the HTF hardware for sale/trade area. Just list what your looking for and how much you wanna spend. I've seen people sell older dolby digital receivers for around $100.
In fact I just looked over there realy quick and saw this
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=195428
Its not a bad receiver and he might be willing to go lower. You never know.
Ryan
topslop1
05-06-04, 04:47 PM
I have a 750 watt RCA surround sound system. I'm very content with it. I don't need to see who's is bigger than who's. Mine was affordable and it packs a nice punch.
madcow235
05-07-04, 11:19 PM
WOW! That sub is HUGE it looks like a water heater. Is it crisp bass or is it kind of sloppy? Im assuming its nice and crisp but DAAAMN thats huge
Chriztapuppy
05-08-04, 01:07 AM
heh audiophiles.. you guys have always been a riot, been goin strong since the 60's.. gotta love sound systems .. wish I could afford a good one. All I have is this Logitech 4 point surround with subwoofer/15w satellites. Oh well, its ok I guess.. better than crappy desktop speakers.
WOW! That sub is HUGE it looks like a water heater. Is it crisp bass or is it kind of sloppy? Im assuming its nice and crisp but DAAAMN thats huge
Yeah its pretty a big sub. I doesnt sound sloppy though. Its got a very forceful kick with movies. It is a little bit more "sloppy" than my huge sealed box but it isnt very noticable where I have my sub crossed over (50 hz). When you run it up to 100 Hz you can tell it isnt as clean as the huge sealed box. But that said I havnt found many retail subs that sound cleaner than this ported one. Maybe paradigm server 15.
A lot of retail subs under $1000 dont have the proper size enclosure and are ported so they end up sounding muddy for music. I couldnt stand the way they sounded. It distracted me from the music. So I wanted something with really fast transient response. The two ways i could do that with my tempest is a big sealed enclosure or a large ported one. I went with the sealed first but got rid of it before I moved.
Basically heres the trade offs for a good ported enclosure and a good sealed one. The ported enclosure is killer for low bass stuff like movies. It will play lower and a lot louder the closer it gets to where the port is tuned (once it passes the tuneing point it goes blah though). Mine is tuned to 16.5 Hz and my plate amp has a cuttoff at 20 Hz so i'm protected very well to "unloading" (when the driver bottoms out cause its trying to play sounds below tuneing point). Sealed are cleaner and often quicker sounding in my opinion. But you loose that low end power.
Right now I can "hear" the sub a bit if i really listen for it. With my old sealed box it was seamless. Overall i'm still glade I have it ported.
Ryan
yo ryan t what was the demensions of that sealed box?
zabomb4163
05-08-04, 10:58 PM
you lose....:p
EVERYONE
I now get a 75% discount on all harmon kardon, JBL, and Infinity products.
i'll get some pictures of my new setup :p
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.asp?cat=REC&prod=AVR%20630&sType=C
Receiver - HK AVR 630 (retail price 1300$)
Front standing - ALPHA 50s (retail price 800$)
Subwoofer - ALPHA 1200 (retail price 1000$)
i gotta check the boxes for all of the other stuff.
-before anyone of you ask....no i can not get you the discount. it it for mercedes employees ONLY. my dad has to sign a contract for every order agreeing not to sell anything that is ordered.
yo ryan t what was the demensions of that sealed box?
You'll find the exact dimensions of the sealed box here.
http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/SealedTempestApplications.PDF
I went with the traditional bessel alignment. I woulda kept it but it was just so big and heavy and it was just raw MDF (ugly). Other that the fact its so heavy it was THE most musical sub i've ever heard. I've heard a lot of retail subs from the $100 best buy subs to the Martin logan descent, velodyne HGS 18, etc.
You can get even cleaner bass by building a Infinate Baffle sub. You have to have a big closet or an attic above/basment below the listening area. You make a manifold holding the drivers then mount them in to the wall/ceiling/floor. They dont require much power at all and you dont see a box in the room. So your using the whole area behind the driver as the enclosure. Its pretty sweet but some times it just isnt workable.
Heres a 4 tempest closet IB install.
http://www.hometheatertalk.com/DIY_Projects/IB_Sub/ib_sub.html
My dream is a big IB sub but I gotta get my own house first. Besides I dont think my parents would like me cutting a hole in the ceiling :D
Ryan
BTW zabomb4163,
Gotta love the H/K :D. I just upgraded from a AVR 120 to the AVR 230 this week. I'm not too much of a fan of Infinity speakers/subs but you got a very nice system. :thup:
madcow235
05-09-04, 04:14 PM
That H/K amps volume knob is so incredibly cool. Was going to buy it but $1300 was WAY to much for me
Hey zabomb you decided to pick up my alpha 50's eh? are you loving them or what?
zabomb4163
05-09-04, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by madcow235
That H/K amps volume knob is so incredibly cool. Was going to buy it but $1300 was WAY to much for me
not with 75% discount :p
madcow235
05-10-04, 10:13 PM
You may get cheap amps but i get cheap crappy IBM computers so THERE
zabomb4163
05-10-04, 10:29 PM
i get discount on ALL harmon kardon products, ALL infinity products, and all JBL products. in other words matching me in sound takes a hellva lot of $ now.
too bad i cant sell it. i could make a lot of $ selling stuff on ebay. :( w
ho dares me to buy a 1400$ amp for 350 and sell it for 1200
If you like quality sound, just skip this post :D
My sound system barely cost me any money at all - that would be the main reason.
Currently I'm in the proces to get it all connected to my pc; would be great to watch DVDs like that (compared to my crappy pc speaker set).
Speaker 1: 50x60x35 (wxhxd cm) ordinary bass reflex
30W RMS (8 ohm) 28cm subwoofer
30W (8 ohm) tweeter (thats an English word as well?)
My dad made it himself +- 25 years ago.
colour: black, no front (got lost somehow over time)
What it cost me: $0
cons: it lacks mid-tones
Speaker 2: 41x62x30 ordinary bass reflex
80W RMS (4 ohm) 28cm subwoofer
2x 25W (seriel conn. 16ohm) RMS mid-tone speakers (from an old car)
I made it 4 years ago, the filter was made from some spare elec. parts.
colour: black, no front
costs: $30 (subwoofer), wood needed came from an old closet
cons: lacks high tones, mid-tones are a bit too sharp.
Speaker 3: 30x62x30 air sealed
2x 15cm each 60W RMS (seriel conn. 8 ohm)
I made it 6 years ago.
Color: black, no front.
Costs: $0, wood needed came from another old closet.
cons: lacks high tones under 10RMS output
Amplifier: found it at the garbage, cleaned it up. Technics (lol 'quality brand'), between 50 and 100 Watt RMS x2 I think. Power usage on the 220volt side is rated to be around 430W max, and the little digital bar display (RMS output) goes up to 100W max.
Speaker 3 is connected between the two 'plusses' from Left and Right untill I manage to get/buy/make me a fourth speaker.
Receiver: probably from the 1970s (found it aswell): Philips 875 Mark ][. Good quality radio.
For my CDs I use my old 486 computer, which acts as an mp3 player as well.
So if you work for mercedes you get a 75% discount on all harmon-kardon home theater equipment.......how does that work lol
zabomb4163
05-11-04, 06:14 PM
its called mercedes buys millions of dollars of harmon kardon equipment every year and would like that to continue....
similar to employees at circuit city and office depot getting massive discounts from tech companies for different products i.e intel retail edge 150$ for a 3ghz p4, motherboard, and xp pro.
That's more of a 33% discount considering the deal is $199 and both the mobo and cpu are about $300 total. XP doesn't cost anyone any more than what the disc it is put on costs. And its more of a thing to motivate business. The idea is they still need a case, psu, ram, video card, more games and software etc.... So in the end they'll essentially break even after the smoke clears. Like microsoft or sony selling consoles below cost so they can make money on the software. I mean whats to stop someone from buying a bunch of jbl k2 speakers for $3,000 a pop and resell them for their retail of $13,500. Sure they signed a deal not to sell but the worst they can do is fire them. I'm sure they'll be fine with the 10k profit off each speaker they sell. I just find it weird that harmon kardon will sell someone home theater equipment at SEVERAL thousand dollars cost to HK just because they work for mercedes. Maybe they get a discount or get it at cost, but it sure aint 75% off.
zabomb4163
05-11-04, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by d4rr3n
Maybe they get a discount or get it at cost, but it sure aint 75% off.
hmmm, well i have the boxes and paid 1/4 price :p. so i am pretttty sure its 75% off.
so ryan T what do yu suggest, The ported or the sealed?
ya i know that it is up to me but i was wonddering what yu likeed, (yuv had a lot more experiance with speakers and subs than me!)
I realy like the sound of the ported but not sure if that is what i want. (space is not a problem. so the sonotube is cool)
thanks!
Voodoo Rufus
05-11-04, 10:19 PM
It all depends on your tastes. Both types can sound REALLY good. If you're mainly into movies then you may want a lot more low end power that a tuned port box can give you.
Yup voodoo's right. The general rule of thumb with the tempest is If you watch more movies go ported, if its mainly for music go sealed. They both sound great but sealed does have an edge over ported in transient response and overall sound quality in my opinion. A well designed ported can sound close to a sealed though. The ported box has a lot more low bass output but that isnt worth much for music (unless you listen the pipe organ music :D).
Ryan
oh thanks!!!
I will build one for my home theater and one for my Computer/stereo!!!
Also what is your opinion about puttingh one in a car??
"edit" also those front satelites that yu have set up, what speakers are they, and if they are DIY then what speaker componets are they?
thanks!!
shard,
Tempest's work great in cars. They do require a bigger box so they will take up a bit of room though. They dont have all the fancy silver cones and gold plated hardware you get with most mass market subs but they play much lower and louder in most cases. You can check out adire audios car audio section for tips. Adire does make a super high excursion sub designed for cars, its called the brahma. It's a lot more than a tempest but from waht i understand its worth it :D.
http://www.adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/mobile_audio.htm
The main speakers i use in my system are DIY GR-research AV 1's
http://www.gr-research.com/performer/av1.htm
I had the enclosures made by Brain Bunge of rutledge audio. The AV 1's are gonna sound similar to a lot of the higer end bookshelf speakers around. I think they compare pretty closely to the Energy veritas bookshelf, B&W nautilus, or signature series paradigm's.
The AV 1's are a softer sounding bookshelf with VERY good midrange. They work great for music and HT but some people say they arn't aggressive enough for hard rock.
If you want a speaker more geared towards rock music then the Adire audio kit 281's are your ticket.
http://www.adireaudio.com/diy_audio/monitors/kit281.htm
They are floor standing speakers though and use 2 8" woofers. One thing to keep in mind with the Kit 281's is they are 4 ohm speakers. So you need a sturdy amp to run them without risking damage. Where as the AV 1's are 8 Ohms so just about any amp can power them.
Ryan
haha!!
I just bought the Brahma and it will get here tommarow. now i just have to find a amp to power the sucker!!!
does anybody here have any suggestions?
im lookin for a 1000watts!!!
also how would i wire 2 2ohm VCs? what type of amp do ineed?
By the way this is going in my car
Voodoo Rufus
05-14-04, 01:34 PM
Brahma....wow. What size?
Some serious woofage you'll be packing.
HawainPanda
05-16-04, 10:43 AM
wow, i had no idea...sound systems for computers could be so impressive..but damn..when can u guys turn it up? don't neighbors call in?..:P hehe
Voodoo Rufus
05-16-04, 12:31 PM
One of the bad parts about living in an apartment that's 35 years old.
My roomie was playing with my old Monsoon 700s and ****ed off the neighbors above us. A couple days later I showed my roomie how loud a Promedia sub in the corner could go, and it was quite impressive.
*spazzed*
05-16-04, 11:30 PM
i went DYI
my speakers right now are completley budget using tangband tweeters and mids all around
mid tweet mid stacked vertically for FR, FL, RR, RL and mid tweet tweet mid stacked horizontally(tweeters are vertical) for my center....
my sub is an adire audio shiva (http://www.adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/drivers/shiva.htm) in a 140ish litre box( i borrowed their design and modified it to use a single slot port...
its powered off a 250watt plate amp
at the head of it all is an older denon reciever that puts out 50watts i think...
and the whole system is pretty balanced.... :cool:
*spazzed*
05-16-04, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by shard
haha!!
I just bought the Brahma and it will get here tommarow. now i just have to find a amp to power the sucker!!!
does anybody here have any suggestions?
im lookin for a 1000watts!!!
also how would i wire 2 2ohm VCs? what type of amp do ineed?
By the way this is going in my car
how much do you want to spend on an amp?
the brahma is a 12"er
and i want to spend about 500
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