OK my 9800 pro is dead !!whats better fx 5950 ultra or 9800XT???

[vkvenom]

i have had a 9800 pro for 1 year now and its dead!!

So im going to get another card what are the best advantages of the fx 5950? VS 9800 XT?

[Nephewkp]

The 9800xt is a whole lot quieter and only takes up one slot...as opposed to the extra slot that the Nvidia takes up for it's massive cooler. the 9800 is a better performer also. I am totally happy with mine. :D

[LogRus]

Originally posted by Nephewkp
The 9800xt is a whole lot quieter and only takes up one slot...as opposed to the extra slot that the Nvidia takes up for it's massive cooler. the 9800 is a better performer also. I am totally happy with mine. :D

ATi 9800 XT is a better performer.... when not oc'ed.

I've heard it gets really hot when oc'ed, but shouldn't be a problem if you'll snap a good VGA cooler on it.

Overall, my vote is for the 9800 XT (Hey! I've been nVidia fan before! ;))

[Cerberus2k7]

Why not get another 9800 Pro and put that artic cooler back on the new one?

[tjr1973]

What is up with Video Cards now a days. You only got a year out of your three hundred + dollar video card. That is really sad. I recently just bought an ATI 9800XT (switched from a GeForce 4 Ti 4600) which is still running in another computer and is two years old. My first ATI ran at over 80 C and died within forty eight hours. My second card is running at 70 C until I put a dual fan setup (which takes up the second pci slot now anyways) and have gotten it cooled down to 61 C which still seems hot as hell to me. I have though about Thermaltake Extreme Giant III but can't find any info on if the damn thing would even work on an XT. The card does weird things compared to my Ti 4600 including weird artifacts just before it gets into windows and just before getting into a game. Once in the game or windows everything is fine, it's just a lot different I guess. I'm not overclocking the card either unless you call overdrive a true overclock at a whopping 7 mgh. I've read a lot about people with Asus 9800xt's that are basically just garbage. I now have driver issues that I didn't have with my 4600 (ATI DRIVERS ARE CRAP). This 9800 is way faster than my old card but it has a lot more issues. It would seem to me that for four to five hundred dollars that this card should be freakin perfect. Instead my two year old card in my other machine is the flawless of the two. If you're going to insist on ATI I would just get another 9800 Pro. The xt isn't that much better for the difference in price. Just my opinion...

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
Why not get another 9800 Pro and put that artic cooler back on the new one?


I was gonna say the same.


"This 9800 is way faster than my old card but it has a lot more issues. It would seem to me that for four to five hundred dollars that this card should be freakin perfect. Instead my two year old card in my other machine is the flawless of the two."


thats one reason im not upgrading my ti4200 to a 9800. I dont think its the drivers, but the fact 9800s get so hot, id need a $50 heatsink/fan just to keep it from artifacting

[Th0r]

'What is up with Video Cards now a days. You only got a year out of your three hundred + dollar video card. That is really sad.'

Yeah but he most likely overclocked his card.. in which in terms lower its life span....

When ATi(and others) sell cards.. they don't encourage people to overclock there cards... and it voids the warranty...

[Yuriman]

The difference between the xt and pro is minimal, and you can get a pro for half the price of the xt. Go ahead and grab another, they have them on newegg for ~$200.

[Damian]

Originally posted by Yuriman
The difference between the xt and pro is minimal, and you can get a pro for half the price of the xt. Go ahead and grab another, they have them on newegg for ~$200.

quoted for truth

You won't notice the difference between the pro and xt unless all you do is run benchmarks. In that case, you need to find yourself something else to do.

[Cerberus2k7]

And the XTs will run hotter anyways.

[Falcon-K]

if it just died on you, its still under warranty most likely and can get a brand new one for free.

and if you would like to just get a new card instead, send me the card and ill RMA it ;)

[eMpAtHy112]

check ur warranty and see if u can RMA it..u can get a new videocard..but sometimes they give u refurbished ones..but u can get the same videocard just for shipping costs..if not u can RMA that thing and ill give u 50 bucks if u send me the videocard ATI sends back to u :)

[vkvenom]

i bought this vid card on ebay in may of 2003 !

It was retail version with the box and all that!

So how do get warranty on it?

[Darkseid]

Originally posted by Overclocker550



I was gonna say the same.


"This 9800 is way faster than my old card but it has a lot more issues. It would seem to me that for four to five hundred dollars that this card should be freakin perfect. Instead my two year old card in my other machine is the flawless of the two."


thats one reason im not upgrading my ti4200 to a 9800. I dont think its the drivers, but the fact 9800s get so hot, id need a $50 heatsink/fan just to keep it from artifacting


you might wanna try that small button that says "quote" in the bottom and right of every post, that`s how everybody does it because is much more easy to actually follow a quote that way, and btw are you suggesting that without a $50 heatsink/fan you can`t use a 9800 without artifacts??... you might wanna ask that to all the people who use their 9800s with stock fan with no problem

i`m gonna go with the guys here, i think a 9800 pro is a better deal right now, but if money is not a problem then go for the 9800xt

[Pntgrd]

Originally posted by tjr1973
I now have driver issues that I didn't have with my 4600 (ATI DRIVERS ARE CRAP). This 9800 is way faster than my old card but it has a lot more issues. It would seem to me that for four to five hundred dollars that this card should be freakin perfect. Instead my two year old card in my other machine is the flawless of the two.
Just asking, but you did totally remove any trace of Nvidia drivers didn't you? I do know from where you are coming though. I went through the same thing with a 9800Pro and the trusty old TI4600 that is in my second box.. What I have learned is not that the drivers are "crap", it is that ATI's are just more "picky" about settings and other things that are running. Turn off VFU recovery and Fastwrites. Use Omega drivers. It does get better. It is just a different learning curve than with Nvidia, but the results ARE worth it.

I DO wonder why the original poster's card died , though. I have a box full of vid cards that all still work. In fact, I pulled a Diamond Stealth II Rendition PCI card out of it last night to diagnose and AGP problem on a friend's system. In all my years of this I have only had one "die" on me. Funny thing is it was a TI4600. I have almost killed some, most recently a 9800Pro (always use plastic washers when mounting waterblocks), but that has hopefully been repaired. I get it back this weekend to test.

[vkvenom]

Originally posted by Pntgrd

Just asking, but you did totally remove any trace of Nvidia drivers didn't you? I do know from where you are coming though. I went through the same thing with a 9800Pro and the trusty old TI4600 that is in my second box.. What I have learned is not that the drivers are "crap", it is that ATI's are just more "picky" about settings and other things that are running. Turn off VFU recovery and Fastwrites. Use Omega drivers. It does get better. It is just a different learning curve than with Nvidia, but the results ARE worth it.

I DO wonder why the original poster's card died , though. I have a box full of vid cards that all still work. In fact, I pulled a Diamond Stealth II Rendition PCI card out of it last night to diagnose and AGP problem on a friend's system. In all my years of this I have only had one "die" on me. Funny thing is it was a TI4600. I have almost killed some, most recently a 9800Pro (always use plastic washers when mounting waterblocks), but that has hopefully been repaired. I get it back this weekend to test.


Its really not dead but i do get alot of artifacts even AT stock speeds! Checked my heat sink, its on good with AS5

I just recently installed win XP pRO on a new hard drive month ago with the 4.2 driver and did not have a problem, about 2 weeks now have these artifacs ALOT!! and i thought mabey its the new drive so i used the old , same thing !

Also i think i did remove all the old drivers because i used driver cleaner 2.7 .

[tjr1973]

Pntgrd, I f disked and reformatted my hard drive with a clean install of windows. Have newest drivers and am now thinking of flashing the bios on my motherboard since it's close to three years old. I just installed Grand Theft Auto Vice City and it's a slide show compared the way my GEForce 4 Ti4600 ran it. I'm actually starting to run out of ideas. I know it's not the card because it scores high scores on benchmarks and plays some games a lot faster, but some it sucks at. It should run GTA VC smooth as glass I would of thought. The reason I say ATI's drivers are crap are because with NVidia it was just go get em as soon as they come out. With ATI it's like everybody is afraid to touch them until they've been checked out.

[stratcatprowlin]

Originally posted by Damian


quoted for truth

You won't notice the difference between the pro and xt unless all you do is run benchmarks. In that case, you need to find yourself something else to do.

LOL exactly! i wish alot more people would think like you and I.

Well,maybe not like me.That might be dangerous to civilization as we know it.

[Xplos!ve]

every1 says the 9800xt is better than 5950 ultra but the ltra runs at 900mhz memory and 500mhz core and xt only 730mhgz memory and 380 core? surely the fx is faster

[stratcatprowlin]

Originally posted by Xplos!ve
every1 says the 9800xt is better than 5950 ultra but the ltra runs at 900mhz memory and 500mhz core and xt only 730mhgz memory and 380 core? surely the fx is faster


If we all learned one thing from AMD,

That is mhz is not everything!

[Darkseid]

and 9800xt`s core is not 380, but 412 mhz

and yes, mhz is not everything these days

[Pntgrd]

Originally posted by tjr1973
Pntgrd, I f disked and reformatted my hard drive with a clean install of windows. Have newest drivers and am now thinking of flashing the bios on my motherboard since it's close to three years old. I just installed Grand Theft Auto Vice City and it's a slide show compared the way my GEForce 4 Ti4600 ran it. I'm actually starting to run out of ideas. I know it's not the card because it scores high scores on benchmarks and plays some games a lot faster, but some it sucks at. It should run GTA VC smooth as glass I would of thought. The reason I say ATI's drivers are crap are because with NVidia it was just go get em as soon as they come out. With ATI it's like everybody is afraid to touch them until they've been checked out.
I have to agree that running an ATI is not as easy as an Nvidia. Crap, I spent 45 minutes last night experimenting settings to get the Farcry demo to run. It will crash every time with my 9800Pro if AA is enabled at game level. But after finally getting in the game, at 1028x764x32 at ExtraHigh settings, I would have to ask "Who Needs AA" anyway. I do upgrade to every new set of Cats. I just wait until Omega does his thing on them first. I have not had a driver related problem since doing that. Your problem with VC has to be somthing besides an ATI driver problem. It could be something like the way that M$ implemented something in Halo that you could not force either AA or AF with out creating the same slideshow. Did you try just leaving the settings at Application Preference?

[ACTF_Heat]

Can ATI even tellif you overclocked your card? Especially if you turned the speed back to their default levels?

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by ACTF_Heat
Can ATI even tellif you overclocked your card? Especially if you turned the speed back to their default levels?

Not really, but he's taken off the heatsink then put it back on with a non-approved themal interface. Hence, no warranty. It's like using a non approved TIM on an AMD. Technically they don't have to warranty it.

[vkvenom]

Originally posted by CrystalMethod


Not really, but he's taken off the heatsink then put it back on with a non-approved themal interface. Hence, no warranty. It's like using a non approved TIM on an AMD. Technically they don't have to warranty it.


I still have the original thermal paste that came with the card and the heat sink!

[Falcon-K]

I would at least try, just remove the current heatsink and remove the AS5 and then put the original stuff back on and apply for a RMA from ati's website and send it in. They are usually pretty leniant(sp?). My roomates 9800 pro from ebay came dead on arrival after a unsuccesful volt mod and variety of tweaking done on it and they replaced the card for him no questions asked.

[vkvenom]

Originally posted by Falcon-K
I would at least try, just remove the current heatsink and remove the AS5 and then put the original stuff back on and apply for a RMA from ati's website and send it in. They are usually pretty leniant(sp?). My roomates 9800 pro from ebay came dead on arrival after a unsuccesful volt mod and variety of tweaking done on it and they replaced the card for him no questions asked.

Thanks for the tip ! But I already went to Best Buy and swapped cards !

[Mykex]

Originally posted by vkvenom


Thanks for the tip ! But I already went to Best Buy and swapped cards !

Oops, hehe.

[Tango57]

Originally posted by Damian


quoted for truth

You won't notice the difference between the pro and xt unless all you do is run benchmarks. In that case, you need to find yourself something else to do.

i agree. IMO people are going benchmark crazy these days. yes everyone loves to benchmark but in real world gaming is there that much of a difference between these high end cards except for a difference of a few frame rates?? and when a game is flying at over 100 fps already i can't tell the difference between 5-10 fps at all. probably what sets these cards apart are things such as driver, stability and heating issues and not so much speed or real world in game performance. with that said, yeah just get another pro. that's probably the best value for it's performance right now.

[violineb]

Originally posted by vkvenom


Thanks for the tip ! But I already went to Best Buy and swapped cards !

Hmm, the world definitly is full of rebrobates :(

[CAPiTA]

That's rough dude. I would have to suggest the 9800XT.

[Sophisticated]

dont get an 9800XT get another 9800pro but not by aTI mayb by powercolor or sapphire and it can be oc'd to XT speeds with a good cooler..a good cooler is the Arctic Cooling VGA silencer rev. 2...seems to be the best so far...check the reviews also

[DipStickTony]

Sigh.... No offense but it sounds to me you overclocked your card to high and got artifacts, then went to best buy and *fixed* your mistake.

I have 9 rigs running right now, and I've never had a single piece of hardware *die* on me. Ive had stuff that hasn't worked right the day I bought it, but nothing that just died all of a sudden.

On my old mx440 i clocked the memory extremely high and it ran great for about a week...then artifacts started and they never went away....seems awfully similar.

[vkvenom]

Originally posted by DipStickTony
Sigh.... No offense but it sounds to me you overclocked your card to high and got artifacts, then went to best buy and *fixed* your mistake.

I have 9 rigs running right now, and I've never had a single piece of hardware *die* on me. Ive had stuff that hasn't worked right the day I bought it, but nothing that just died all of a sudden.

On my old mx440 i clocked the memory extremely high and it ran great for about a week...then artifacts started and they never went away....seems awfully similar.

Well it it didnt die, just stared to have artifacts all the time even at stock speeds,to bad this my 3rd card.

The first card i f****d UP TRING TO REMOVE THE SHIM TO INSTALL THE ARTIC COOLING VGA SILENCER ! AND THAT CARD WITH STOCK HSF DID WHAT SIG IS444/730, SO ILL MISS THAT ONE!

SO BECARFUL when you put a knife to your card lol!

[jjgixxer]

ok here is my deal i have been running aquamark 3d and i have been messing with the clock a little bit and everything fine in all but now it wont read my clock speeds some reason somebody told me that its most likely a sensor burnt up now what can i do about it i have had it only likr 4 weeks so way under warranty should i send it in or what ?

[resoluteK]

"be careful when you put a kinfe to your card"

...indeed, words of wisdom

[jjgixxer]

yeah i know but what should i do send it back to get warranty can they tell if its been overclocked?

[vkvenom]

Did you try to uninstalling the ocing utillity? and try the ][Atitool (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=725) this has worked for best![QUOTE]Originally posted by jjgixxer
yeah i know but what should i do send it back to get warranty can they tell if its been overclocked? [/QUOTE

[jjgixxer]

thats what i was using but now in aquamark the when i put it wont show the clock speeds

[jjgixxer]

well i fixed it something in windows was messing with my card reinstalled windows and fixed