I'll be back this evening with my 1st AMD system. Bye Intel...

[Jon]

Killed my new P3 1 GHz last night by chipping the core. Damn Glaciator. Did find out my P3 700 would run at 933 on this VP6 though.

Anyways, I had originally planned on getting another 1Gig at the computer fair today for this VP6 until this happened. Now I just want away from Intel and this is as good a reason as any. So I'll be back, hopefully, with my first AMD parts this afternoon.

I'm going to try an RMA through Intel although I don't think they will accept it. It barely did chip it, but ah well.

I shall return...

[ken257]

since you have a 700 why not look for another one of them to fill the other socket on the vp6?

So far I have been lucky, never chiped a core amd or intel with hundreds of hsf installs but from what I keep seeing amd's chip very easy compared to intel to take it easy on this one :)

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Traitor! Don't come round here expecting AMD support in the Intel section then!

Sorry to hear about your loss bud.....didn't realize the Glaciator is that tough. Mine went on very easily.

Sure you won't reconsider and buy another gig chip tho?

[Placid]

Sorry to hear you chipped the core :(
Well I was reading this about amd cpu's if you going to buy.

Let's get down to the details, I'm sure you don't want to wait any longer, here's an idea of the highest lowest and average speed of these new stepping CPU's. These are TBIRD 1.0's and there were 75 tested. Testing Platform was Iwill KK266 with Enermax 430 Watt PSU and MicroBGA SDRAM. Cooled with an OCZ Gladiator.

AYHJAR XXXXX
YXXXXXXX

Lowest - 1600

Average -1668

Highest -1768

[ken257]

hehehe I always try to encourage traitors. Welcome to the other side!

BTW just in case we so give good support over on the other side to!

Actually I use both AMD and Intel but when it comes to having fun tweaking and playing you just can't beat them AMD's.

[Jon]

I got an EPoX 8K7A+ with an AMD T-Bird 1.4GHz (AYHJA-Y stepping) and 256MB PC2100 Micron DDR memory. Also got another P3 1 Gig from my girlfriend, hehehe.

I'm going to go play now so I'll be back when I get all these parts put back together...

[Carmine_Paterno]

......sorry to say this but...you might be a little disappointed with what you got. Your 8k7a+ is a great mobo!

The 1.4ghz will take you to about 1.51ghz.

My PC2100 would only goto 136CAS2, and 162CAS 2.5

Hope i helped ya for you what to excpect.

[funnyperson1]

such perfidy baffles me...thou hast angered the great intel deity, and thou shall be shunned...seriously though...i hope you have luck with your amd...i wish i could find a non obvious way to kill my p3 600E so then i could get a 700 or an 800 (i heard they oc very nicely)...or if im lucky a chip like the one you just killed...

[Placid]

Sounds nice.
Please post back Jon and let us know how it works :)
I may have to venture to the dark side.

[Jon]

So far, so good. Having some problems installing Win2K but I think I fixed it. Kept getting a corrupt NTOSKRNL at first reboot. I think it had to do with the previous RAID array I had so I wiped it and remade it with the one built into the EPoX. I'll know in about 15 minutes if that fixed it.

I already penciled in my L1 bridges but wanted to wait until it was all installed before messing with that. I'm not looking for much more than 10X150 for 1.5GHz out of it. If it does more, great...if not, at least I finally got something new to play with, haha.

Still need to setup that VP6 again since I swapped it into a new case. Also have top rebuild my Soyo system with the P3 700 and the Tyan board that has the Celly 600. Don't you just love playing "Musical PC Parts"?

I'm just glad I don't have to touch this damn Compaq...ironic it's the only one I can use at all right now, haha.

[Placid]

Umm..I thought all 1.4ghz cpus were factory unlocked.
Is this wrong?

[Jon]

You got me there but it sure looked like mine were cut.

Doesn't matter, it's unlocked now if it wasn't, haha.

[Allan Nielsen]

Hmm, the core of an AMD CPU is even more fragile than the core of an intel CPU... I would get a copper shim for the P3 instead... won't you agree Shadow?

Anyway, bummer you chipped the CPU! Hope you have more success with the next, being intel or AMD or whatever.

[Jon]

It was sort've my fault. I always lightly rock the HS a little to make sure it's sitting flat. Never had a problem doing that before but I guess it only takes once.

I won't be doing that anymore either way...

[Allan Nielsen]

Oh man, I always do the exact same thing... thanks for the tip, I'll stop doing it from today! :)

[Jon]

At least some good came of it then...hate that to happen to anyone else.

Funny thing is, is that the chip is barely visible. Yet my P3 700 core is damn near round it's chipped so bad and I run that poor thing into the ground...it just keeps coming back.

It won't do 933 stable, I get a random reboot after about an hour and a half of SETI. But it will take up to 2.05V, boots into Windows at 1120 and runs at it's coolest temp of 41C idle...no matter what heat sink I put on it. It's one weird chip.

It's like that ugly dog you hate to love...

[Shadow ÒÓ]

what's the pencil thing you mentioned and can I do it with my P III 933?

Glad you're having fun bud.....also very fortunate you got the gig chip. Now move on over to the AMD section and send in your girlfriend. =)

[M@€$†®Ö™]

You can pencil bridges on Intel ? I have not messed iwht much Intel but if this is the case you gotta clue me in.

Maestro

[Bobby Manus]

Well I learned this the hardway... No you can not connect the L1 bridges on the processor to unlock the multiplyer. This very same querry ended up in me breaking my mobo. I was (you guessed it!) taking off my heatsink/fan whith 2 screwdrvers and one of them sliped and came crashing down into the mobo. Although there is no visable damage, the mobo wont post. The processor works, put it in a new mobo earlier today. I probably slit some tiny circut you can only see under a microscope or something. Well anyways this trajedy is also bringing me over to the darkside. Im going to probably pick up one of those a7v266 ddr mobos and an amd athlon 1.2 once the mobo gets released in the us. BTW why is all the cool things released in japan first! All the coolest games! Cars! And now mobos?! Ohh my =)

[ken257]

Maestro (Jul 29, 2001 01:40 a.m.):
You can pencil bridges on Intel ? I have not messed iwht much Intel but if this is the case you gotta clue me in.

Maestro

Uhhhhhhhh that was meant as a joke :)

[Bobby Manus]

Yea but I generally read up only on AMD sections, and just assumed that both cpus multiplyers could be unlocked via the pencil trick. And while i was tkaing off my hs/f my screwdriver pushing down the latch came crashing down into the mobo. I was geting 1400 in 3dmark 2000 with a geforce 2 ultra anyways.

[ken257]

Bobby Manus (Jul 29, 2001 06:26 a.m.):
Yea but I generally read up only on AMD sections, and just assumed that both cpus multiplyers could be unlocked via the pencil trick. And while i was tkaing off my hs/f my screwdriver pushing down the latch came crashing down into the mobo. I was geting 1400 in 3dmark 2000 with a geforce 2 ultra anyways.

Only the AMD's can be penciled to unlock the multipier, Intel is locked up tight :(

1400 in 3dmark 2000 with a gf2 ultra? something is very wrong there. With my AMD running at 150x10 and a gf2 ultra I top 10000 on that bench. Of course My vid card is OC'd to but before any tweaking, mobo and vid at default settings I was in the mid 6000 range. Heck even one of my old sytems with a voodoo3 3000 does over 2000.

[!-=sky=-!]

i think he didnt install the via 4 in 1 drivers yet
or maybe old display drivers?
dunno

[Bobby Manus]

Nope there installed, but in standerd mode not n turbo. My board is 2x agp so turbo mode does not work on my setup. Also this is overclocked btw. I was at 150mhz fsb, ram was at cas 2, geforce 2 ultra was runing 315mhz core and 525mhz ram speed! I had a industrial strength floor fan that is bigger then my case blowing into this thing when I did this. Without any ocing I get around 1200.

I also made a type i said it was 3dmark 2000 when it s 3dmark 2001. So its not AS bad but still not even close to par!

[Placid]

Well Jon how did it go?
Did your amd live up to expectations?

[Jon]

Well, this thing is fast. It did 11.5X133 for 1533Mhz no problem at 1.92V. It ran at 10X150 for 1500MHz but kicked me to the desktop or rebooted under 3DMark 2001. Ran SETI and everything fine, but had to drop the memory settings to Normal CAS 2.5.

My GeForce 3 looks crappy playing DoD, though. I think I accidentally installed a BETA DirectX 8.1 version so I'll probably do a complete reinstall when I get home from work. Once I finally did get 3DM2K1 working it gave me disappointing results compared to my P3 1Gig at 1125...about a 600 point loss down to 5,203. I have heard it is partial to Intel systems, though, so I'm not too worried.

Sandra gives me horrible drive marks with the RAID controller but this was the same problem I had with my VP6 when it really was kicking ass. So I pay no mind to this.

Overall, I'm happy with it. I had built several older K6 systems in the past but this was a first to me. Good experience. Alot funner to overclock these (easier a better word?)

[vimal]

Bobby Manus (Jul 29, 2001 04:00 a.m.):
I was (you guessed it!) taking off my heatsink/fan whith 2 screwdrvers and one of them sliped and came crashing down into the mobo. Although there is no visable damage, the mobo wont post. The processor works, put it in a new mobo earlier today. I probably slit some tiny circut you can only see under a microscope or something. Well anyways this trajedy is also bringing me over to the darkside.

Nooo...not another one lost to the dark side! Seriously though, the more computers, the better, but don't give up hope. Physical damage is probably the easiest aspect of electronics to work with. Pull out a cheap magnifying glass and take a look-see around where the screwdriver tip hit (maybe it is a scratch not visible to the naked eye). If you simply broke a trace, it can be fixed with a $10 conductive ink pen. PCB's are surprisingly strong little things.

[Bobby Manus]

I found where it hit!! It is BARLY visable by the naked eye, looked like a dust flake, and yet with a magnifying glass I could tell that was no ordinary dust flake! Now how should I go about ficing this? Is going to radio shake and piking up that 10$ conductive pen really the best way?

[vimal]

Well, is that flake near any other componants which may have been damaged? does the flake cut across a trace? If you can see that it broke a trace, then i'd say the $10 conductive pen is your best bet, unless you have some professional EE equipment at your disposal. If you're lucky, that flake only got to the top layer of the board and didn't cut through any of the sandwiched layers (which is likely, otherwise you would probably have seen the scratch)

Careful with the pen though - it is more like a giant magic marker and you are doing something akin to writing a cheat sheet - takes a time, patience, and a bit of rubbing alcohol in case you screw up.

Besides, if you can't pull warranty on it and are gonna toss it out anyways, why not give it a shot? (Okay, so you're out $10 - imagine you spent a day in Vegas - you're odds with the mobo may even be better)

[zoopa_man]

You could try, I found a super micro tiny tiny itsy bitsy can't even see the end of it conductive pen on the net. If I can find the link i'll post it here. It was expensive though, 10.50 shiped.

[Bobby Manus]

Yea I cut 2 traces that are about 1/ 10th a cm apart from each other. Looks like only a surface scratch. I'm gunna take a ride down to radio shake and pick up a conductive pen.

[Bobby Manus]

Just another update, turns out I cut more then a few traces =/ One of the resiters is splitin half. LOL I tried puring in some of that conductive liquid and said a lil prayer, but the idea of it is all wrong. Its time to just give this mobo the ceremonial barial. My friend lives on the riverbed, I'll probably build it a little raft and light it on fire with gasoline =)

[vimal]

Bobby Manus (Jul 30, 2001 09:00 p.m.):
Just another update, turns out I cut more then a few traces =/ One of the resiters is splitin half. LOL I tried puring in some of that conductive liquid and said a lil prayer, but the idea of it is all wrong. Its time to just give this mobo the ceremonial barial. My friend lives on the riverbed, I'll probably build it a little raft and light it on fire with gasoline =)

Well, can you read the numbers on top of the resistor (if it is surface mount) or the color bands if it is a regular resistor? Actually, it doesn't really matter. Except for a few analog circuits, most resistors are order-of-magnitude type applications. Resistors can be replaced (almost 99% of the time with another resistor within +- 30% resistance). Just need a good soldering iron. I'll mail you a dozen or so SMD resistors if you can't find any old circuit boards to rip them off of. Traces can be repaired. Your motherboard is your friend. Don't give it up without a fight! (Besides, you get coolness points for bringing equipment back from the dead - though setting it ablaze on a raft earns some high coolness points in its own regard)

[Bobby Manus]

Its a shuttle AV-11... really a crap board when it comes to grapihcs. I got a 1424 3dmark 2001 score with a geforce 2 ultra, and all the specs in the signiture. Thats oced btw from 250 core 466ram speed to 315 core 5XX(i think 520 I fogot). Something wrong with the agp port all along. Says 2x but sure dont seem like it... Hopefully I will get a nice 8k7a and a 1.2 or 1.3ghz athlon soon, I think my fps will sky rocket. If not I am giving this ultra the boot (rma) cuase I know its not any other part in my system holding it back...

[el]

Jon the Matrix had you now you are truly free! Don't worry Shadow he will be back when the 1.2 p3s are cheap.

[GuNRocK]

I think the more ppl getting AMD cpus are awsome it will push intels huge hold in cpu market down alot....and hopefully u can get some price drops intel cpus are just way way way too much compared to what u can get in Athlon....and hopefully it will inspire intel to make some half decent cpus...the current p4 is just horible if i had 1million dollars i still wouldnt buy that cpu i would get the best amd...:)