P4 ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[quake8]

i got the 1.4 with 384 rimm's and p4t. its 3 times faster then my 1.2ddr with 512ddr ram. the 1.4 p4 is UNSTOPABLE!!!!.

p4t
384 mushkin / samsung
GTS
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29160
18.2 lvd
36.9 u160
pioneer 16x scsi dvd
1210s plex burner

INCREDIBLE!!!!

its all about intel!! AMD might be faser on paper but multitasking with a p4 is a loobed up baby with butter and the chispet driver makes it even 2 tiems faster. AMD's driver is PURE $***!!!!!!! Post edited by moderator N_D

[ThePunkGeek]

u might wanna remove that last S word u used
there was a topic about none of that

just letting u know b4 1 of the admin guys looks at this

[Mad Butter]

P-4 stinks! Why dont you try a Celeron 2. Pentium has more cash than the celeron. Half the cash is shut off on the celeron and that's why celeron is half the price. Let me ask you this. Go to overclockers.com and go to the CPU database. Tell me what you can overclock a pentium too. HAHA! If it even exsists. Celeron's are overclocking beasts. Half the cash. So what. The cash isn't that important anyway. My 800mhz celeron overlclocked could outperform your Pentium 4 any day. I told people what I have for a system and cooling and they said I could get my 800 up to a 1.3 - 1.5 Try and overclock that much with your pentium. Do it and see what happens. It's not my responsility if you fry your chip though.
LOL!!!!1111

[funnyperson1]

Mad Butter (Aug 01, 2001 05:58 p.m.):
P-4 stinks! Why dont you try a Celeron 2. Pentium has more cash than the celeron. Half the cash is shut off on the celeron and that's why celeron is half the price. Let me ask you this. Go to overclockers.com and go to the CPU database. Tell me what you can overclock a pentium too. HAHA! If it even exsists. Celeron's are overclocking beasts. Half the cash. So what. The cash isn't that important anyway. My 800mhz celeron overlclocked could outperform your Pentium 4 any day. I told people what I have for a system and cooling and they said I could get my 800 up to a 1.3 - 1.5 Try and overclock that much with your pentium. Do it and see what happens. It's not my responsility if you fry your chip though.
LOL!!!!1111
somehow i doubt that your celeron even overclocked to 1.3 ghz could come even close to a p4, because celerons suck....thats basically it, sure they can overclock higher, but the p4 already starts with a 400mhz bus, your cerlon isprobly around a100, and the cache does make a big difference, also latencies are changed, in fact i bet you in a similar system, my p3 600@840 could R*** your celron a a gigahurtz, if you want a discount cpu....get an amd

[funnyperson1]

oh yeah, madbutter, i checked the cpu database, and the highest anyone got on the celly 800 is 1.2 ghz, and that was only 2 people, so ithink you could probly get 1.1...happy overclocking...:)

[Mad Butter]

Ok. Thanks!!! But not to urgue back or anything but did you read the specs that they had for overclocking a 800. The two that had 1.2, 1 of them had a retail heat sink and fan that came with the system. And I have the best air cooling thing you can get out there. It is actually cooler than water because regular water is warmer than air temp. unless you put ice cubes in it which most people dont bother doing. Unless they got there own ice maker. LOL! Can you tell me how the extra cash helps so I can know???? i realy dont know much about the cash. What will it do to imporve??? And I just want to say my favotite quote,"Celeron's are overpriced Pentiums."

[funnyperson1]

i hope you do get 1.3,or 1.4 but i think it may be within the structural limitations of the chip, besacically the cache is where the data to be processed is storedif this data is more than 128 it would take the celerons two cycles todo what a p3 or p4 can do in one....as well while the p3 cache runs at the cpu's clock speed, i believe the celerons run at about half that, i read somewhere that for a celeron to be faster than a p3 it must have about a 250-300 mhz difference in clock speed

[KILLorBE]

Mad Butter (Aug 01, 2001 07:57 p.m.):
It is actually cooler than water because regular water is warmer than air temp.

Everything and I mean everything in the same room has the same temp, metal feels cooler than wood but it isn't, air might feel cooler than water but it isn't.
Why are most cars watercooled?, think about that.
To make this short: A watercooled rig is (a lot) better.

[funnyperson1]

oh yes, however celeron systems do better if you have plenty of ram, because if the cache doesnt have data ready, it will go to the ram for it

[Mad Butter]

Hello!! Funnyperson, so are you telling me that if you have a lot of ram in a celeron computer, it will be equal to a Pentium 3 or 4 since the ram in a celeron will act like a cash. Is that what you are telling me???????

[funnyperson1]

no, because cache is directly on the die of the cpu, and i am saying that it is better to have more ram in a celeron system.....cache runs at 800 mhz in a p3800 megahurtz, however in an oced celeron system the ram will be running at about 100mhz

[It_The_Cow]

Quake8, are you trying to get banned or start a flaming war? I saw your post in AMD Cpu's. I recommend you try not to recreate it

[KILLorBE]

Shadow ÒÓ close this one too please, I'm getting this itch all over my body. Flame........flame .......flamethrower that's it

[Shadow ÒÓ]

KILLorBE (Aug 01, 2001 10:09 p.m.):
Shadow ÒÓ close this one too please, I'm getting this itch all over my body. Flame........flame .......flamethrower that's it

Newbie has already stepped in on this one, and I'm not going to "take controll". However, should this sort of behavior continue, contact Dan, or myself (ONLY because we are already aware of his earlier post).

I'll make Newbie aware of the previous post.

[Mad Butter]

So ram will make the celeron run faster and improve the cash. Right????

[Mad Butter]

What is cCo Stepping????

[brianm]

I personally do not want to pay for rimms yet...i mean, theya re expensive! :-) I'm cheap I guess

[Blue Jester_2112]

cCo is the stepping. Essentially it is the level of refinement to the manufacture process. A cCo has a better chance of overclocking than a cBo and so on. cCo is generally a good stepping for overclocking since at this point Intel's .18micron manufacturing process for Celerons and P3's has more or less reached it's apex and they have moved on to making .13 micron P3's.

1.1-1.2 will be the maximum you will probably be able to squeeze out of your Celly since that is where the P3's architecture craps out. Expect to need some extreme cooling to push it that far too, if someone did actually get their Celly 800 to 1.2 with the stock HS/f it was probably a fluke or they might live in a colder climate where air cooling could provides extremely cold temps.

The cache is very important, especially since it's what keeps the cpu fed with data. No cache = extremely poor performance. Just look at amd's old K6-2 line, they had 64k cache and were slow as snot in december. Cache is also extremely important to Celly's because all but 800's are crippled by a 66mhz FSB. I believe Celerons are also missing the SSE2 (?) instructions. They are sturdy chips, but budget chips.

Having a little more ram in a celeron system is beneficial since it will rely on the system memory more heavily than a P3, this will not however speed it up at all. If the chip has to access the system mem becuase the cache is full then that will actually slow things down a little.

Also, it doesn't matter how high you clock a Celleron, it will not outperform a P4. The P4 has a 400mhz fsb, 256k full speed cache and runs at a much higher clock speed. The P4 is a good chip and it is fast, but not fast enough. It has a 20 stage pipeline which is both slow and ineficcient. Thus the chip is slower and less efficient than it should be, especially for the price tag it carries. Recently MB manufacturers found that the new Tualatin P3's beat out the P4 in benchmarks.

For the record, the fastest most efficient processor on the market for home use is probably the Apple G4. It carries a monstrous on die full speed cache, has a 7 stage pipeline and is a 128 bit processor. A 867mhz G4 outperforms a 1.7ghz P4.

Just my 2 cents =]

[Mad Butter]

I heard Cco stepping is a lot better for overclocking. When I buy 1, how do I know if it is Cco Stepping??? Will it tell me before I buy it or is it just a thing whether I get lucky or not and get it???
Let me know!

[funnyperson1]

well, you could buy from an overclocking source (probably online) that would tell you if its a Cc0(more expensive) or you could try the luck of the draw....BlueJester explained everything much better than i was, thanks for clearing things up....

[burn'em]

P4 Rule. I have a 1.2@1.33 Athlon, P4 1.5, PIII 1.0 all with at least 512mb Ram.
The P4 smokes them all.
Athlon 1.2@ 1.33 512DDR
P4 1.5 1024RamBus
PIII 1.0 512@133

[Mad Butter]

Does anyone know a website where I can get Cco stepping???? I heard it's the best for overlcocking and that's what i want.