Is low overclocking bad for the company, or line of cards?

[football]

After using two cards of the same line and company, i'm just totally blowned away at how different they are. Infact, it changes how I feel about the line of cards and company. Is that fair?

Two 5600U's, identical in looks and coming from the same company. One does 410/810, and that's pushing it! And the other does 460/860-470/900, and both having default clocks of 400/800.

Is that fair? I mean.............How can they be the same, yet so different?

I'm just posting this to get feedback on what you think about it?

[Komitet]

I don't think it looks bad for the company or the card, they sell a card that will handle XX amount of mhz, whether or not it's overclocker friendly it's none of their concern.

[football]

Originally posted by Komitet
I don't think it looks bad for the company or the card, they sell a card that will handle XX amount of mhz, whether or not it's overclocker friendly it's none of their concern.

But do we as gamers, buy for the overclock factor? Aren't there not companies who use better memory chips, for better overclocking? And when a company does send a card to a website review, do they not try and send the best that they have? Considering the review will consist of how well it overclocks.


Adding to that.......Does Gainward not have a gold series card? Meaning it will run better at a higher clock setting? There would be no need for that card, if they were just worried about default clock or settings. Same with any other "hand picked" mark cards/memory.:rolleyes:

[stratcatprowlin]

Originally posted by Komitet
I don't think it looks bad for the company or the card, they sell a card that will handle XX amount of mhz, whether or not it's overclocker friendly it's none of their concern.


I have to agree with Komitet although as football also pointed out there may be a few names known for overclocking.

[TehGoober]

Does Gainward not have a gold series card

The thing about that is the cards are picked out of the same line of cards but, since they are guaranteed to be stable at whatever OC they ship them at, they are getting more money for selling them that way. ie it's the same thing as the two cards you tested, just one costs more because it's guaranteed to run X amount over stock while the other is not.

Yes it's fair, they didn't guarantee any OC did they? You paid for a video card that runs at X Mhz stock and that's what you got. (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume they didn't sell you a card based on the OC'ability.) Besides, life's not fair, get used to it. :)

[football]

Originally posted by TehGoober
(Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume they didn't sell you a card based on the OC'ability.)

No, but I would buy one reading opinions of others who got good overclocks. Basically, the makeup of this forum is such.:rolleyes:


Originally posted by TehGoober
Besides, life's not fair, get used to it. :)

Ain't that the truth!

All being born equal my ass!

[TehGoober]

All being born equal my ass!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! ;)


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Originally posted by TehGoober
(Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume they didn't sell you a card based on the OC'ability.)


No, but I would buy one reading opinions of others who got good overclocks. Basically, the makeup of this forum is such. :rolleyes:

In regards to that, it just goes back to what I wrote in the first place, they'd just have to go through all of their cards and get a new "fancy" box and up the price. I'm guessing it's not too profitable or companies would be all over it. As it is, I haven't seen too many cards in "rebadged" boxes because they are good at being OC'd. Granted, their are some but their niche is fairly (if not incredibly) small. To sum it up: It's not overclockers that make or break them, it's the general consumer (who is not worried about overclocking) and that's who they are going to target.

[stratcatprowlin]

Very well said and i agree.
Ya know most pc owners dont know what video card is in thier computer{prolly onbaord} let alone if its a good overclocker!

[football]

The general consumer would be happy with a 16mb card, not a gamer/overclocker. Not saying all gamers are overclockers, but gamers do tend to listen to good or bad things said about something on a forum, or just in the on-line game they happen to play. You don't think Nvidia tried cheating on drivers to catch up with ati because of the general consumer, do you? You don't think nvidia tried very hard to overcome the slow ass 5200, 5600U non flipchip because of the normal consumer? If it was normal/general consumer pushing the market, they could save the time and efford, and just keep the geforce 256mb line out. Or worst, just not care what the gamers say about the 5200/5600, we only make up a small percentage.;)

I'm a strong believer that the gamers do drive the market, and I hope it continues. As games expand, so must the video cards. And I hope like heck, that each company tries it's best to produce a card that will give me an advantage over the same line from another company.

Company 1 selling
5600Uw/2.2 nan memory

Company 2 selling
5600Uw/2.8nan

I'm choosing company 1, and i'm sure the reviews would point us in the right direction.

There are some that don't care? Then why bother rather or not you get ati or nvidia. Who would give a damn if one is better in dx9 or not, they both play the game. Forget that, I care! That's the reason I come to these boards, trying to make the right decision based on reviews, and what people here (same interest as me) feel is the best, and read their experience with a particular make and model.

[TehGoober]

I'm a strong believer that the gamers do drive the market, and I hope it continues. As games expand, so must the video cards. And I hope like heck, that each company tries it's best to produce a card that will give me an advantage over the same line from another company.

Company 1 selling
5600Uw/2.2 nan memory

Company 2 selling
5600Uw/2.8nan

I'm choosing company 1, and i'm sure the reviews would point us in the right direction.

There are some that don't care? Then why bother rather or not you get ati or nvidia. Who would give a damn if one is better in dx9 or not, they both play the game.

That's where I think you are incorrect. Take me for instance. I come to the boards mainly for the CPU overclocking aspect. However, I stop by the other sections just to make sure I don't buy a video card that, well, sucks. (Or so I can get a great deal on one! :D) I play games quite a bit and some of them can really stress your system. That being said, I have no clue what the performance difference is between 2.8 and 2.2 ns memory and even between an ATI/Nvidia card (both of the comparable level) as far as performance in DX9 games go. (Even though I play them.) All I know is that ATI cards are *supposed* to run better in DX9 and the only reason I'm *probably* going to buy one is because Newegg sent me the wrong Nvidia card last time and I was out $40.00~.

Almost nobody I know personally knows the first thing about overclocking, much less cares. Even if they play games they are generally happy as long as the FPS keep up and the graphics are fine. (I run everything at max performance, graphics are nice but I'd rather keep everything running smoothly. Just don't zoom in too much! ;))

As far as the 256MB cards, perhaps they are for gamers and overclockers but, then again, I've heard most of them also use slower memory (minus 9800pro/xt, I don't know about the others,) than their 128MB counterparts. As you've pointed out, you'd rather have fast memory than slow memory.

In addition to that last one, I see many, many, MANY people on the forums with low end video cards. These are the people reading the forums and actually overclocking their systems that are buying not only Ti4200's but even lower end cards in some systems.

Anyway, I suppose it's a moot point and there's not much point in arguing about it.

[football]

Originally posted by TehGoober
Anyway, I suppose it's a moot point and there's not much point in arguing about it.

True.....Although people get the 4200 to overclock it, and when it doesent oc well? They find something else, oc the 4200 is the only reason to have one.;)

Reading your last post, almost made my point exactly!

Although you are into cpu overclocking (we all are into something), you stopped by here to see a review or two just so you won't get a lemon. And to tell you the truth? I have some friends who didn't know jack dilly about oc. Now they are trying to oc everything they get their hands on, lol!

So you only oc cpu's and not video cards?:rolleyes: Don't answer that, it is a moot point.:D

Long live forums like this, so people as myself, can benefit from what others went thru with a particular brand, make and model.
Laterz!

[Buhammot]

lets look at it this way. if you go to best buy, walmart, circuit city or wherever, you will see 9800se's, 9600se's, 5200's, 5600's and 5700's all non ultras or the worst they get. why? cause they know that when a kid as asking for a 9800 video card, the parent wont care which one they are really askig for, not to mention anyone that doesnt look at the details about the card with what they had in mind.

indeed some places may sell the higher end cards, but it is a rare situation. plus companies are in it for the money, hence paying more for a card that may oc better based off the company.

a lil of what i have seen around my area...

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by Buhammot
lets look at it this way. if you go to best buy, walmart, circuit city or wherever, you will see 9800se's, 9600se's, 5200's, 5600's and 5700's all non ultras or the worst they get. why? cause they know that when a kid as asking for a 9800 video card, the parent wont care which one they are really askig for, not to mention anyone that doesnt look at the details about the card with what they had in mind.

indeed some places may sell the higher end cards, but it is a rare situation. plus companies are in it for the money, hence paying more for a card that may oc better based off the company.

a lil of what i have seen around my area...


Yea.. I see similar stuff at my wally-world. They usually have a few PCI gf2MX's for like $50-$60 and maybe an AGP if your lucky, an FX5200U (wow.. LOL its actually teh U!) and a radeon 9000. wayyy overpriced tho.. but Im betting that will soon change since we have a best buy coming in right behind my house :D

[football]

Was able to do achieve good on the memory, but the core leaves much to be desired in my book. Don't see how someone got 445 on it, but I guess I have to believe it.

And your take on buying what's there? We have the internet to get us what we want, love the www!

Oh...And BFG were some of the better overclockers, and they were the cheapest to buy.