radar detector/jammer?

[gouda96]

Hey guys, I am looking to buy a nice radar detector/jammer. I don't need the jammer to absolutely jam everything, being that I generally drive 15-20 over, so if I just had a heads-up I could slow down to a reasonable speed quickly. Anyone have any suggestions? I am willing to spend quite a bit if it will make a difference, so post any you suggest, or have heard good things about.

thanks.

[ashenfang]

cobra makes some good ones. Just be careful. They are illegal in many states. If you get caught with one could be fine/ticket/confiscation

You want to find one thats laser/radar

[JoT]

Jammers are absolutely illegal in every state, I believe. The detectors are legal in a few states, I think.

The jammer ruins the speed detector's detecting ability for as long as you're within range, and depending upon the jammer and whatnot, this could be quite a long range, the laws don't smile happily upon those with jammers; if you get caught with one (they're very easy to detect), there's a heavy fine fine incurred, not just a hundred or two hundred dollars for a detector fine.

I digress; don't think about a jammer, detectors are illegal in a lot of states, if the cops see a red sports car doing anything even remotely suspicious, they WILL chase it (I discovered this a few years ago, when I was told such).

[{PMS}fishy]

Valentie One.

Its gooten me out of soooo many tickets.

Its well worth the price. Anything else is just a false sense of security.

Plus the arrows rule.

[gouda96]

it looks like the v1 and the passport 8500 are the 2 main choices.

By jammers I meant those laser shifter things. They are something like a legal form of the laser jammers, where they send out some weird blip that messes up the lasers (not sure about radar). Either way they seem to either not realy work, or they are just too expensive. the $400 for the v1 and the $300 for the 8500 is about as high as i want to go.

anyone else using a detector?

[Mr. Chambers]

not to crap or anything, but i'm really really curious about this, as i have 3 friends who all have detectors...

why do you want one? i dont even know why they're legal to buy... everyone who has them gets them so they don't get caught speeding... my three friends are a threat to everyone on the road because of how fast they drive. the speeding laws and regulations are there for a reason, if everyone else has to follow them, why can't you? [/crap]

on another note, i asked my friends for you and they all said the passport was the way to go :P

[gouda96]

More votes for the passport...it seems to realy be a split between the v1 and the 8500 with everyone I talk to.

The main reason they pull people over is to make money. Just look at the camera ticket crap where they have a speed gun on a camera and mail you a ticket...that stops someone from doing 140 in a 35 and killing a family of 5. By the time he gets the ticket the family is in the ground. :D

I used to drive over 100mph to and from school every day on I-75, and I never got close to causing or being involved in an accident going that fast. I want to be able to go that fast when I have a friggin 5 lane highway to myself and pose no threat to anyone (late night 45min north of atl almost no traffic at all).

They are trying to solve the atl traffic problems, and one of the things they are doing is pulling everyone over at every time to generate money for all the new stuff they want to build, that way the politicians don't have to deal with the crap they would get from raising taxes (just randomly came up with that, not based on anything :D)

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by Mr. Chambers
not to crap or anything, but i'm really really curious about this, as i have 3 friends who all have detectors...

why do you want one? i dont even know why they're legal to buy... everyone who has them gets them so they don't get caught speeding... my three friends are a threat to everyone on the road because of how fast they drive. the speeding laws and regulations are there for a reason, if everyone else has to follow them, why can't you? [/crap]

on another note, i asked my friends for you and they all said the passport was the way to go :P

Uh, cause doing 25mph on a backroad sucks. Having that cop around the corner when you are doifn 40 sucks even more.

If you friends drive like morons, you should beat them severley. Its not cause of the radar dectors.

[gouda96]

yeah, driving fast doesn't mean you are driving like a moron...not always atleast...

[Malpine Walis]

Being as I have my blue stars and all, I have to ask:

Have you considered obeying the law?

This is pretty basic. How about not speeding?

[Mr. Chambers]

Originally posted by {PMS}fishy


Uh, cause doing 25mph on a backroad sucks. Having that cop around the corner when you are doifn 40 sucks even more.

If you friends drive like morons, you should beat them severley. Its not cause of the radar dectors.

they dont drive like morons. they just speed. which i suppose is grounds for moronic driving now that i think about it...

what are these backroads you speak of? around here we've got gravel roads in the country, which have no speed limit, then highways, state and county that have a speed limit of 55, then we have the interstates, with a limit of 65. if you're in town it various between 20-45, depending what kind of zone you're in - school, buisness, residential, etc. etc.

i was simply stating my opinion about radar detectors. i wasn't condeming you or him or anyone else for using them, i was simply stating what i felt. in the end i answered his question anyway :p

from what *i* have seen, people with radar detectors feel they're above the law, and it makes me sick. the laws are made and enforced for a reason. if there's a 25mph limit on that road you're on - you can be damn sure it was put there for a legitimate reason.... at least around here anyway.

[edit] back at the topic - how much are you willing to spend on this? the passport is 300 bucks! :eek:

[DaveSauce]

Originally posted by Malpine Walis
Being as I have my blue stars and all, I have to ask:

Have you considered obeying the law?

This is pretty basic. How about not speeding?

thread derailment?

blue stars, dude....you should know better :D:D:D j/k

come on, he's not asking for advice on how to obey the law. He knows how, he just chooses not to.

Back on topic. Make sure you're aware of what states do/do not allow jammers or detectors. I know Wisconsin doesn't allow detectors, which is what prevents me from getting one...I don't live there, but I pass through there going from home to college (MN to MI) for a good 100 mile stretch or so. You can bet that I pay attention to my speed, lol.

Doesn't matter if you're registered in a different state...if you get caught using one in a state they're not allowed in, you'll be in trouble. Just something to think about when you get one...I dunno where you drive, but if you drive enough to warrant a detector/jammer, you should be aware of the laws of the states you drive through.

[gouda96]

the v1 is 400, and I am leaning towards it.

Obeying the law realy isn't an issue being that radar detectors are legal in ga. If you were to drive 65 on I-75 at any point in time around here you would be run off the road. The average person does something like 23 over around here. In my case however, I will drive exactly the same regardless of whether or not I own a radar detector, barring when I would break when the detector goes off. I have sped in the past, I speed now, and I will speed in the future :D. The cars I have at my disposal are just waaaayyy too fun to drive fast...for me it would be like taking my 4.1ghz 2.4c on my prommy and running it at 2.4ghz, and I am not about to do that (obviously there are no legal ramifications to overclocking, but it is a similar temptation). So far I have gotten out of all my speeding tickets, but this is just another safety net.

You could do 200 mph on the roads that I am on at night without being any danger to anyone, but you would get pulled over, and the reason for that is money, not safety. Goind 80 in a 65 on an empty 5 lane highway doesn't need to cost me $100 when I am not endangering anyone. Morons that do 50 in the left lane are more of a danger than me doing 80 on an empty road, but I have to pay a fine.

anyway...any other votes for any detectors?

[TommyHolly]

A few magazines did comparisons on what works and what does not. I did alot of research into this awhile back. I was getting speeding tickets for going 5 - 10 MPH over the limit and was making me broke! I was so ****ed that just because I was younger and had a crappy car, they would single you out and write you tickets while others would fly by me even faster and not get pulled over. Some towns have Speed Traps where it drops from 65MPH to 35MP in less than 2 miles and they just sit there and wait. RRRRggghh!! I had to do something about this.

I looked on the internet and read every comparison for Radar cloaking, jamming, and detecting I could find as well as magazines and stuff. The Passport and Cobra and a few of the other models on the market are very close to useless. DON'T waste you time with those. All the tests done by any magazine I have seen have shown this over and over. That Valentine One sytem is the only one that works about %50 of the time...however it is extremely expensive even on E-Bay. The full Valentine One is about $2,000 and you need to have everything working correctly to be even partially effective against most of the Radar equipment the cops use. Besides, it is illegal in many states and if they find you have installed ths on your car, you could lose the car.

A few years back, I was looking into getting this. (I used to have my license suspended for speeding.) Yeah I know slow down..., I just could not stop speeding and I wasn't that good at spotting the speed traps. Besides, getting a ticket for going 8 miles over the limit is stupid. I could not afford getting the Valentine One and my fines were way too expensive.

That is when I found out about a loophole in the driving laws here in the USA. A few of my friends from overseas used to come here and get tickets and just not pay them. Why would they? What is some State going to mail the fine back to Italy? I don't think so. The loophole is that as long as you have a "International Drivers License" issued from ANOTHER country besides the US, the cops have a great deal of trouble even giving you a ticket not to mention making you pay the fine. The states are furious about this because some people with DUIs have managed to go overseas and get them to keep driving.

With a International Drivers License you can still receive a ticket. You will still have a record, but they have trouble enforcing you to pay the fines. It is also legal to change your first name to whatever you want as long as you keep your last name on these things.

Keep in mind, if the Police find your REAL drivers license. You are really screwed!

I used this for a few years and it works. In fact, a few times I actually tried to get pulled over just to prove to a few friends that it actually works because they would not beleive me. The problem is, after you don't show up to court, they issue a warrant out for your arrest under the name of the License. I remember a few State Police being so ****ed!!! that they knew I was just using this to get out of tickets but could not do anything about it.

I originally had a company that would sell you a mailbox in the Bahamas to set one up because remember, this only works if you have a "Out of Country" License. www.drivelegal.com is no longer arond anymore. That is where I got my original one from.

Things you need to keep in mind is that if the Police figure out that you are the owner of the vehicle, all they need is your REAL name to write you a ticket. The Police will do anything they can to figure out who you really are but as long as you got caught for speeding only, they HAVE to let you go. (Yeah they will stall for time and harass you but they have to let you go...heh heh) If a cop wants to be a jerk or if he is familiar with people who do this, they will definately write you a ticket. If they write you a ticket, obviously you can't show up to court using your new License and there will be a Police record so you might as well throw that thing away and get either a new License or slow down.

I have since slowed down and have not needed to use mine so once my last one expired I did not get another.

By the way, don't think about using this for speeding 200 MPH or driving drunk. The cops will just take you to Jail where they will either find out your real name, OR call up the Foreign Embassy your license is from and find out what you are doing. This is for people that get caught doing just a few miles over.

[Mr. Chambers]

holy crap - $2000 bucks for a radar detector is just plain retarded IMO... thats WAY too much money...

i dont know, my friends' passport has saved their respective behinds MULTIPLE times. as far as i know its worked everytime they've seen a cop...

[Tw00sh]

I am in VA, so we are one of the few states that forbid them. You do not want to get caught with on in our state. Big Fine.

[{PMS}fishy]

For the extra $100 the V1 is going to make up the difference.

You are going to be pretty upset, when you get a ticket with the passport.

The arrows tell you where its comming from, and you can check your mirrors and find the cop.

Ill tell you about one that I got saved on by the V1.

Im following this car on the Mass Pike doing between 90-100mph , they have all these electronic signs on the road that set of the K band, atfirst you slow down thinking its a cop, then you realize after driving by them all the time that its a false alarm. Get use to it, you get a lot of them. I keep going pretty fast, fast enough to get a huge ticket. The radar dector is still going off, but its behind me now, so the rear arrow is going on, then the front arrow starts flashing (flashing means that its the stronger signal, and I see the X band light up) I jam the brakes and slow down to about 75. Sure enough their was a cop taking advantage of the sign. He pull out from the right side of the road, catches the car faster then I have ever seen, and jumps of of his car, and it seemed as if he was screaming at the driver. Ive never seen a cop jump out of a car like that, they normall radio it in, and check the plates before even leaving the car.

Basically, with a pasport it would still just beep, you would not know where its comming from, and you most likely would have been picked up on that one. That kind of speed right there makes up the difference in price between the two units, in the ticket alone.

[Eclypsyr]

I think it's kinda amusing that the general consensus is that police only give tickets for money, and NEVER to ensure safety. I mean, if police never gave tickets whatsoever, you can be sure that there would be people driving 60 through a school zone.
Now, I'm not saying any of you would do this, but I think it just keeps everthing from getting out of hand.

W/e, maybe I'm delusional

Jon

[gouda96]

Money is without a doubt the MAIN motivation to giving tickets. I know several cops in several states, and several of them have expanded in certain places just to make money. My cousin up in De has a police department that covers about a 2 block area, and they have like 30 cops pulling people over for as low as 5 over. 5 over on a 4 lane divided highway that never has any traffic, and they added these cops when they realized the ammount of money they could make by constantly pulling people over. And what about the camera tickets? Those are just for money, no question...they don't even have to pay a cop to be there...like I said you can be doing 150 and kill a family in a mini van, and they are burried before you even get your $200 fine.

People in the corvette forums I frequent have had great success with the v1 and 8500 for as long as they have been out with almost 100% success. I had heard about cops using those signs that say "your speed is xxx" as traps to get your detector to go off and then nail you, but newer detectors like the 8500 and v1 can read up to something like 8 signals. Like you said though, people keep telling me that the arrow feature is worth all the money.

I am pretty sure I will end up with the v1. For $400 and $100 more than the 8500 it seems like it is realy worth it. Especially being that 1 ticket would cost a ****nit load more than that (insurance hit for a young driver with nice cars (insured on them, don't own them :D)).

[Cowboy Shane]

Georgia has a few anti-speed trap laws, and the cops seem to enforce laws based on public safety in general, but there are exceptions. Due to deaths caused by people speeding through construction zones, the GA legislature passed a law mandating stiff penalties for doing the above, and it has helped. However, we had a lot of construction on I-20 around a little while ago, and some of the police used that as a bonus revenue stream. On my way into Augusta one morning, I passed a cop sitting right at the end of the construction zone clocking people. The only active construction was a few miles before the cop, but if you were speeding, you would still get the increased fine.

The point is, had that cop been interested in public safety, he would have deployed before the area where people were working, rather than trying to catch people speeding up when they thought they were beyond the majority of the construction. Then there was the dubious actions of certain other cops deploying laser from hidden cars on Bobby Jone's Expressway to clock people passing on I-20.

Not that either of these are indicative of police behavior in general, but it is nice to know when you are being monitored so you can take the appropriate measures to protect yourself from any heavy-handed enforcement.

[The_Jizzler]

heres a little something for all of you who think its not because of the money. i was reading a few years back that these laser guns cost rediculous ammounts of money. so much so, that noone really buys them. instead they are leased from the manafacturer. seems like the figure i remember for a year lease on one is like $50,000 or so. that means just to cover the cost of the thing they need to write 500 $200 tickets anually per gun. if anyone here is in law enfocement or knows someone who is, ask them and confirm/debunk this.

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by Eclypsyr
I think it's kinda amusing that the general consensus is that police only give tickets for money, and NEVER to ensure safety. I mean, if police never gave tickets whatsoever, you can be sure that there would be people driving 60 through a school zone.
Now, I'm not saying any of you would do this, but I think it just keeps everthing from getting out of hand.

W/e, maybe I'm delusional

Jon

I got a ticket for 11mph over, in an umarked zone. It was a laser speed trap, and with out a doubt in my mind they were pulling people over for 11mph or higher. It is about the money!

[Penguin4x4]

Well in nearly unpopulated regions East Texas, such as near Ozona, there are 75, even 80MPH speed limit areas.


Anywho, I personally see no reason at all to use a radar detector in, around, or near a town/city. Out on the highway, however, it is much more practical to use, especially when traveling long distances. For instance, driving to my grandmother's house (1100 miles round trip). Doing 65 and making two stops (an average pit stop will degrade your average speed by about 5MPH) it takes roughly 10 hours to arrive. If, however, we were to use a radar detector and travel at roughly 70MPH while on the highway, (again making 2 pit stops) it would take only 9 hours. Now the reason we averaged 65 in the first place is because the majority of speed limit areas are still 65; For some reason on holidays (the only time we have to vacation) the state troopers feel the need to make their quotas for the day/week as fast as they can. This usually results in tickets for everyone driving even 3MPH.) Now if we wanted we could probably even go 80 or so with a radar detector (and two pit stops) and average just under 8 hours. Thats 2 hours shaved off the itenerary, 2 less hours to become even more exhausted from driving, etc.

[@md0Cer]

Originally posted by Mr. Chambers
not to crap or anything, but i'm really really curious about this, as i have 3 friends who all have detectors...

why do you want one? i dont even know why they're legal to buy... everyone who has them gets them so they don't get caught speeding... my three friends are a threat to everyone on the road because of how fast they drive. the speeding laws and regulations are there for a reason, if everyone else has to follow them, why can't you? [/crap]

on another note, i asked my friends for you and they all said the passport was the way to go :P

Around here they have those variable speed limit signs so what usually is 40, they crank it down to 25 and have massive speed traps on the other side of the hill. Most people are not endangering others with excessive speed, they just dont want to be a victim of this stupid speed trap stuff. Oh yea, and whenever they have a speed trap over the hill, if there is a school zone thing they seem to turn it on even though it is a Sunday so they can nab people with double fines for doing 35(the normal speed limit) in a 20.

[gouda96]

Originally posted by The_Jizzler
heres a little something for all of you who think its not because of the money. i was reading a few years back that these laser guns cost rediculous ammounts of money. so much so, that noone really buys them. instead they are leased from the manafacturer. seems like the figure i remember for a year lease on one is like $50,000 or so. that means just to cover the cost of the thing they need to write 500 $200 tickets anually per gun. if anyone here is in law enfocement or knows someone who is, ask them and confirm/debunk this.

10 tickets a day 5 days a week it would take 5 weeks to cover the year with $200 tickets. Most probably aren't that high, I think mine was like $120 for 15mph(2 points i think?) over or so, but people go much faster than that, and I think at 24 over you get a 4 point ticket. Cops could easily give out 20 tickets a day, that's only a few an hour...They generate an insane ammount of money by pulling people over.

What about the radar detectors? If they cost less then that is even more money. Very few people I know, no...nobody I knows has a radar detector, so cops even if they only used older radar detectors they could still pull most people over without them ever seeing the cops.

v1 still in the lead :D

[TommyHolly]

Buy the way, the $2,000 I quoted for the Valentine One is for the ENTIRE system. That includes the detector, the jammer, the license plate reflectors and all the sensors/jammers. You can buy just the detector by itself but if you go one-on-one with a cop that is really paying atention, it will already be too late.

The Jammer will give you an extra 800 feet - 1/2 mile in many cases to slow down depending if the cop is aiming at people that look like they are going too fast instead of constantly having the gun on.

[gouda96]

Yeah, I knew what you meant, and know what your saying. Their whole kit and the passport kit are too expensive unfortunately.

[diggingforgold]

I looked into that international drivers liscense a while ago. Everything you said was correct. But if the judge every tracked you down, you would get slammed big time. I got caught speeding once. Funny thing is that I fried out my cigarette lighter, so my radar detecter was no use. I got pulled over, and bam- ticket.

All you need is a good radar/laser detector. Jammers in most (if not all) states are illegal, and if you get caught with one they will bust you. But detectors are LEGAL in most states- the catch is when cities pass ordinances against them. That could put you in a bind.

Mine is a no-name one I got from QVC, but the quality is excellent. Only gripe I have are places that trip my detecter, CVS pharmacies with LED signs being the worst. Grocery stores and stuff will trip it too. So I have to toggle between Highway and City settings on my commute to our new house/church.

I normally don't speed, but I look at the radar detecter as a speed warning. If it goes off, I check my speed. It's a great reminder.

[captain_sHiFTy]

my dad works for ICBC (insurance corporation of british columbia). hes the head of the research department (more or less, his actual business title changes every month because its a crown corporation, which means its run by another stupid beurocracy).

since he does all the company's research, hes always trying to come up with new ways to make sure that people speed, especially young people because he has three boys (me included), all either at or getting close to driving age.

the amount of times he gets people who try to mock what he does by saying that they always flash their headlights to warn people of a road trap, or they have a radar detector in their car really amazes me. he just laughs every time. people do it because they think theyre somehow getting back at the system. he laughs because theyre doing exactly what theyre trying to get them to do. slow down, and make other people slow down so that less people get in accidents and less people get killed. more often than not, what the radar detectors pick up is radar "dummies" planted in vans at places where theres alot of accidents and they want people to go slow.


i dont see why anybody would want to spend 2 grand on a radar detector. i could get a whole 'nother computer for that much money. how much of a difference does it really make? my girlfriends house is about 14 km away if i take the highway. its 15-20 minutes if i do the speed limit (90km/h), and just under 10 if i do near double the speed limit (160 km/h). what can you do in that extra little bit of time that's worth risking your life, and the life of everybody else on the road? i'm not trying to preach "safety first" or anything. of all people that would be near the most hypocritical thing ur ever gunna hear anybody say.

but just think about what i said

[Bobby]

I think a lot of posters are getting off-topic on this and I'm seeing a lot of myths about speeding and law enforcement. Radar detectors used with good common sense is the best defense.

Valentine 1 vs. Passport 8500. I had the passport 7500 and now use a V1. When I had the 7500, I would sometimes run in caravans to track events and such and we all had TalkAbouts. I was constantly warned from guys w/V1's in the back of radar alerts. After a successful Vegas trip, I ordered a V1. It has much better range than the passports and less false alerts. The arrows are amazing. More recently, this past weekend I went down to Virginia Int'l Raceway and caravan'd down with about 7 cars. One had a 8500 and the V1's constantly found Police radar 1/8th to 1/4 mile sooner than the 8500. He turned it off the rest of the trip. Radar detectors are illegal in VA but they can't pull you over for having one and if they do find one when they pull you over, they take the serial # and give it back to you.

Bottom line: Get a Valentine One (http://www.valentine1.com).

-Bobby

[gouda96]

Thanks Bobby, that's exactly what I wanted out of this thread! That's about as good a testemonial I could ever hope for. Great v-1 vs. passport 8500 field test over an extended difference.

1/8-1/4 mile is a pretty big difference. That could pretty easily be the difference between a ticket. Hopefully I will order my v-1 this weekend. Looks like you can't get new ones for any cheaper then $399(msrp) which isn't that big a deal for me.

To some of the other posters...I got to school 45min-1hr away depending on traffic. On the way home after my late classes I have 5 lanes virtually all to myself. I can do double the speed limit without putting anyone in danger, and I do so, and I just want an extra heads up so that I don't get hit by a big ticket. If having a radar detector makes me slow down more, that's fine, it might make me a safer driver going slower more, and it will decrease the likelyhood of me getting a ticket.

I am not going to spend $2k on a detector, $400. If I got a ticket for 15 over it would probably cost me about $3k in insurance rate increases.

btw, as I understand it jammers were made illegal by federal regulation, so they are illegal anywhere in the us. Laser shifters are not the same thing, and they are legal in most states, but like detectors they are illegal in some.

I don't mind the additional input about opinions on speeding and whatnot being that it seems to be a topic of interest for many, and this thread isn't exactly being constantly hit with opinions on detectors. Especially being that it appears the v-1 is the way to go.

Have you guys heard about possible legislation that could have ticket fines varry by income. I missed part of the story behind it but there was a visual on fox news that showed someone in a very high income bracket could have to pay $148,000 for doing 46 in a 30. Talk about revenue motivated...I can't imagine anything that radical passing, but just seeing that they thought about it is kind of rediculous.

Thanks for all the input and opinions guys, keep them coming.

v-1 way ahead :D

[{PMS}fishy]

Look up the reports in Car and Driver. They pit the V1 against the 8500 and some others. Guess which one wins?

[gouda96]

yeah, already read that article. The 8500 won due to price, but I think they said the v-1 was the better of the 2, and being that I don't mind the extra $100 the v-1 would be the one I would take by that article.

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by gouda96
yeah, already read that article. The 8500 won due to price, but I think they said the v-1 was the better of the 2, and being that I don't mind the extra $100 the v-1 would be the one I would take by that article.

We must be looking at the wrong thing. The V1 won hands down.

Ill see if I can find it.


Here it is.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=1999

It had 97 points the 8500 had like 73 or something.

Thats a serious beating if you ask me.

[gouda96]

They did a 2004 round up where the v-1 was a little better, but they said the passport won for the price...will link in a sec...

nope...I was mistaken, it was motor trend with this (http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0402_radar/index.html) 2004 radar detector review and buyers guide. anyway, they still said the v-1 was better, and since price isn't a problem, that is what I will get.

[BigJk-47]

V1 all the way.All my friends use it and they never get busted.

[diggingforgold]

Speaking of traps, I got pulled over for doing 71 in a 55. The reason is that stretch of road looked exactly like a highway- and everyone else does 70 out there anyway..

If anyone is familiar with the willow run area of michigan (where they made a lot of WWII bombers), there are wide (they look like highways, miltiple lanes, devided off [michigan ave]), there are onramps and off ramps everywhere- but its a literal ghost town. After the war, no more production, and no more need for the wide roads... but they still remain. All thats out there now is a subdivision, maybe a factory or two, and a little airport where the bombers would take off after being pumped out of the factories. Then they would get fueled up and loaded, and then go drop bombs on the nazis and the japanese.

Anyway- I say responsible speeding is OK in areas where there is no risk for going a few miles per hour over. In schoolzones and heavily populated areas, speeding is stupid, but there are times when I think its ok to speed, like in the boonies... But I guess the law proved me otherwise :D.

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by gouda96
They did a 2004 round up where the v-1 was a little better, but they said the passport won for the price...will link in a sec...

nope...I was mistaken, it was motor trend with this (http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_0402_radar/index.html) 2004 radar detector review and buyers guide. anyway, they still said the v-1 was better, and since price isn't a problem, that is what I will get.

A Motor Trend, they are like the THG for cars. :D

[gouda96]

THG has slipped my mind, remind me?

[Bobby]

Originally posted by gouda96
THG has slipped my mind, remind me?

Tom's Hardware Guide.

I agree. MT has very biased reports on cars. It's more like a magazine full of advertising rather than journalism.

I save my speeding for the track mostly. I get tailgated constantly on roads with 25mph speed limits. I do speed on the highways but never 5-10mph over current traffic flow. That's why I have a V1. It reminds me to check my speeds more than I normally would.

-Bobby

[nealric]

For the purposes of clarification:
Detectors are legal in every state except for New York, Virginia, and D.C.

Using a Jammer is a federal crime- plus Ive heard they rarely if ever work.

If you are on a budget, consider the belltronics detectors. They score FAR better than cobras (junk) in most tests -usually just a touch behind the escort and valentine. Mine has gotten me out of a few tickets. It usually gets the cops 1-2 miles off on a straight highway without too many hills. The valentine system would be silly for me (since the complete system is worth more than my car :rolleyes: )

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by nealric
For the purposes of clarification:
Detectors are legal in every state except for New York, Virginia, and D.C.

Using a Jammer is a federal crime- plus Ive heard they rarely if ever work.

If you are on a budget, consider the belltronics detectors. They score FAR better than cobras (junk) in most tests -usually just a touch behind the escort and valentine. Mine has gotten me out of a few tickets. It usually gets the cops 1-2 miles off on a straight highway without too many hills. The valentine system would be silly for me (since the complete system is worth more than my car :rolleyes: )

I again will say, get the V1 or don't get anything.

[TommyHolly]

Jammers work. Keep in mind they don't completely stop the radar detector. They only shorten the effective range of the detector so that you have more time in which to slow down.

[wannaoc]

If you can afford it go with the best: Escort. They cost you a good $300.00US but the distance they work in is just silly.

Not to mention jammers are illegal in some states.

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by wannaoc
If you can afford it go with the best: Escort. They cost you a good $300.00US but the distance they work in is just silly.

Not to mention jammers are illegal in some states.

The escort just plain sucks.

Did you read any of the reviews.

The V1 is best hands down.

[TommyHolly]

We are not talking about speeding and doing way over the speed limit like 120 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. We are talking about using the detectors in areas where they intentionally lowered the speed limit so they can bust people and raise money for the town.

[Jab-tech]

I think that the cops should give all you speeders $10,000 fines and leave us drunks who stick to the speed limit alone :-)

[{PMS}fishy]

Originally posted by jabtek
I think that the cops should give all you speeders $10,000 fines and leave us drunks who stick to the speed limit alone :-)

I don't think that is funny at all. Even if it was a joke.

I saw my friends aunt get hit and killed by a drunk driver.

DON'T MAKE JOKES ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF!!!!!!

[gouda96]

damn fishy, white stars! Way to go!

I will probably never hurt someone doing 130, but if I were to drive drunk going the speed limit I would have a pretty good chacne of getting in an accident.

I wasn't offended by your statement, but I could easily see how people could be...just call a cab :)

[itshondo]

diggingforgold-

I used to work at Willow Run and understand your point. I think YIP police have an excellant money generator there (you know YIP can use the money).

I use a passport all the time, regularly driving 45-50 minutes to work at 80 mph (70 mph zone)- and that's not fast in the Detroit area. It has saved me many times, mostly in town, sometimes on the expressway. Seems that the State Police leave their radar on, while the local boys are a bit more crafty using the instant on radar or laser.

My passport has saved me from laser many times- but I always drive with my lights on to decrease it's effectiveness and don't have a front liscense plate (that's where they aim). It also let's others see me better.

At 1201 am this New Years eve, my wife and I heard 2 very low frequency thuds, like large fireworks in the distance. Then we saw the emergency vehicles arrive down the road from my house (we live in the country). Seems a 23 yr old guy lost control of his car (yeah, he was drunk) when the road transitioned from pavement to dirt, also there's a dip in the road. He hit 3 oak trees and his car disintegrated (so did he).

The next morning I walked down to see what happened and found parts, tapes, interior contents, and blood all over the place. I kicked over a sun visor that had some cd's strapped to it and found a piece of this guys skull laying there. Yow! Called the Medical examiner and he rushed out to get it before the family came by.

If this guy had been doing a resonable speed (say 45-50 mph) he might have lived. The police estimated he was doing over 120 mph.

What a waste.

[gouda96]

That's a terrible shame. That happens around my area atleast twice a year, and it is usually with a bunch of kids in a car (too many to all have seat belts) on the way home from a party. I don't understand why people drive while intoxicated, nor do I understand why anyone would get in a car without wearing a seatbelt (my mom doesn't wear a seat belt...she never gives me a reasonable response when I pester her about it).

[Jab-tech]

Originally posted by {PMS}fishy


I don't think that is funny at all. Even if it was a joke.

I saw my friends aunt get hit and killed by a drunk driver.

DON'T MAKE JOKES ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF!!!!!!

I am very sorry it was a joke... Don't drink and drive children..

Also remember that people who speed also cause accidents, you are far more likely to be killed by a sober speeder than a drunk doing 20mph !

[gouda96]

however, you are far more likely to get in an accident if you are drunk then if you are speeding...and who says intoxicated people don't drive, I hear of people under the influence of something getting in accidents doing double the speed limit pretty often :(

[Jab-tech]

I totally agree that drunks do kill people and they also speed.

For the 1500 or so people killed in NY state last year 400 were doing over 55MPH (not on a highway), and none of those 400 had alchol or drugs involved.
1000 deaths were attributed to drink and/or drugs.

So 30% of traffic deaths in NY state were people speeding, 65% of traffic deaths involved alcohol or drugs...

That puts all you speeders in a very high risk category...

Thankfully I am in neither of those categories.

[gouda96]

There are a few different speeders.

I speed alone on a road where there is barely any more risk involved at 100mph as at 75mph.

People that do 55 in a 25 in the city are a little different. That do this don't need a radar detector, they need to have their car taken away. :D