new Swiftech plastic spring sleeving keeps 1/2 OD vinyl tubing from kinking

[gungeek]

Look at the swiftech site in the new products column on the right side of the home page (www.swiftnets.com; I can't link direct to the product). They have a new product called "coolsleeves" that looks very useful for people who want an easy to install water system i.e. NOT using 1/2ID 3/4OD clearflex. It allows 1/2 OD vinyl tubing to bend tightly without collapsing or kinking. Their w/c kits did come with metal springs to place inside the tubing for tight turns but that restricted flow somewhat. The new product is like a long plastic "spring" that wraps around the outside to support the tubing.

For people who would rather have ease of assembly and 3/8ID tubing is acceptable, this looks like a winner. It's only $2-$3 for a 40 inch (1 meter) section. It's available in clear or several colors that are UV reactive.

[VeiL0]

Now that's pretty cool...if only they did it for 1/2" ID tubing then I would get it in a heartbeat....too bad they only have it for 3/8" ID tubing. :(

[bigsoomo]

yeah man thats a blower cuz those look pretty nice. im pretty sure they will come out with 1/2 in no time

[BillA]

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/coolsleeves.asp

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/coolsleeves/bending%20radius.jpg

the coil can be wrapped around 5/8" OD tubing
what is the OD of the 1/2" ID tubing you fellows are using ?

I have lots of 1/2" ID by 3/4" OD tubing, and do not see any kinking
???

why won't the image display ?

[VeiL0]

Originally posted by BillA
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/coolsleeves.asp

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/coolsleeves/bending%20radius.jpg

the coil can be wrapped around 5/8" OD tubing
what is the OD of the 1/2" ID tubing you fellows are using ?

I have lots of 1/2" ID by 3/4" OD tubing, and do not see any kinking
???

I'm going to be using 1/2" ID and 3/4" OD and 1/8 wall. So you're saying it works then...if thats so then say goodbye to Tygon :)

[BillA]

reread my post
5/8" OD is NOT the same as 3/4" OD

[VeiL0]

Originally posted by BillA
reread my post
5/8" OD is NOT the same as 3/4" OD

Oops my bad, I didn't do the math lol...I guess I'll be sticking to Tyon then....is there by any chance for you guys(Swiftech) to create new ones to fit 3/4" OD tubing? I'm pretty sure many people will love it since they run that size. :)

[BillA]

what are you trying to do with that tubing to cause it to kink ?
might not 5/8" OD (with the coil) not put less of a bending moment oh the wb ?

suggest some experimention might be in order ?

[UberBlue]

If these spring thingys work like advertised, why would you need 3/4" OD with 1/8 wall tubing?

(1/2" ID x 5/8" OD ) + coolsleeves = teh win!

[infinity9]

But using these on 5/8 will add the extra 1/16" making it an overall 3/4 again. So whats the advantage? For someone with some extreme bends maybe but couldn't you figure out a better way to do it?

[jamesavery22]

Originally posted by infinity9
But using these on 5/8 will add the extra 1/16" making it an overall 3/4 again. So whats the advantage? For someone with some extreme bends maybe but couldn't you figure out a better way to do it?

I believe the main advantage is a much greater bending radius

Lemme see if I can get this image to link...

http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/images/products/coolsleeves/bending%20radius.jpg

Thing its the space (represented by the %20) that screws up the link...

From the pic I know I could us less tubing as my 3/4" OD tubing doesnt bend worth a damn... I use some 5/8" when I fill/bleed my system and it bends well but kinks very easily.

[infinity9]

At such extreme bends you will have some collapsing even with springs on the outside. But my point was why would you need such an extreme bend? I haven't seen many WC setups that need such a bend unless they are trying to fit too much crap in a small case. It just seems to be a fix for something that was created by people not designing it correctly in the first place.

[BillA]

dual CPUs
or CPU to Northbridge to GPU
tight enough ?

one of our distributors just attempted to buy our entire inventory, someone understands

[AngryAlpaca]

LOL Just attempted? Wouldn't you want them to buy it all? Yeah, CPU to NB is really hard to make, so this stuff seems like it might have some use.

[infinity9]

CPU to NB is probably the worst, but the primoflex 3/4od or tygon should do it fine. I dont doubt its use for people that already have smaller or cheap tubing but I don't think we need to be using it as a new addon, instead develop better tubing. It's mostly because it makes the setup look cheap to me having plastic springs on the outside.

I've personally only worked on one CPU to NB setup so I honestly dont have much experience but I was able to do it fine with clearflex. I'd imagine depending on the board some boards are much tighter.

[jamesavery22]

Originally posted by infinity9
CPU to NB is probably the worst, but the primoflex 3/4od or tygon should do it fine. I dont doubt its use for people that already have smaller or cheap tubing but I don't think we need to be using it as a new addon, instead develop better tubing. It's mostly because it makes the setup look cheap to me having plastic springs on the outside.

I've personally only worked on one CPU to NB setup so I honestly dont have much experience but I was able to do it fine with clearflex. I'd imagine depending on the board some boards are much tighter.

I have to go GPU, NB, CPU, CPU in little to no space so Id love to have extreme bends like that. i have to go from opposite ends so my 1/2" ID tubing doesn kink (so I go from the top of one block to the bottom of the other instead of top to top). Would look much better if I didnt have to not to mention Id use less tubing. Tygon might be able to do that but I dunno the space between barbs is like 3 inches.

While Swiftech does tons of things Im sure it is much harder for them to start a new manufacturing process in order to improve/built/sell flexible plastic tubing than it is to just sell these springs. I definitely would never put it past their potential. I just think thats kind of asking for a lot from one company.

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by infinity9
CPU to NB is probably the worst, but the primoflex 3/4od or tygon should do it fine. I dont doubt its use for people that already have smaller or cheap tubing but I don't think we need to be using it as a new addon, instead develop better tubing. It's mostly because it makes the setup look cheap to me having plastic springs on the outside.

I've personally only worked on one CPU to NB setup so I honestly dont have much experience but I was able to do it fine with clearflex. I'd imagine depending on the board some boards are much tighter.

You know I still see lot of rigs with Tygon tubing where the tube still needs some type of support to keep them from flattening out. Seems to me a lot of guys are using hose clamps to keep the tube round….which is not very clean looking.

[UberBlue]

What I really want to know is; who's hand is that in the picture?

If it's BillA's, he should stick with being an engineer, because he's never gonna make it as a hand model.

[jamesavery22]

Originally posted by UberBlue
What I really want to know is; who's hand is that in the picture?

If it's BillA's, he should stick with being an engineer, because he's never gonna make it as a hand model.

What if you just shattered his life long dream? :(

[BillA]

no problema, thats Gabe's handwork

AngryAlpaca
got to treat all distributors equally (more is enroute)

be cool

[VeiL0]

Seems going 1/2" ID and 5/8" OD is actually feasible using the springs...could actually go 5/8" OD Tygon since that's cheap... :)

edit: I'm wondering if ClearFlex 60 with 3/4" OD and 1/8" wall is just like Tygon 3/4" OD and 1/8" wall in terms of bending radius and what not...can clearflex bend just like Tygon

[gungeek]

Go to the www.mcmaster.com website. Search for "chemical tubing". Select the first choice which is "chemical metric tubing". The page shows all the different details about clearflex (they just don't call it clearflex) and tygon plus how much it costs from them :)

The downside is that shipping costs are a secret and and they WILL NOT ever give any estimate of the shipping cost no matter how the order is placed. The page makes a nice datasheet though :)

[VeiL0]

I was looking at the chart and then and then I saw the prices...omg I didn't think ClearFlex would be that cheap plus McMaster charges more for Tygon than Dtek or Danger... lol

I'm sorry but at .65 for a ft of 1/2" ID 3/4" OD 1/8" wall is a much better deal than tygon being 3.80 lol
I know Tygon is better but not at that price...

:beer: :beer:

[Lothar5150]

I'd like to see someone try this with Tygon or ClearFlex/Primoflex

http://home.socal.rr.com/lotharspub/Coolsleeves-knot.jpg

[VeiL0]

OMG :eek: that's some awesome stuff there. What size tubing is that btw? :)

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by VeiL0
OMG :eek: that's some awesome stuff there. What size tubing is that btw? :)

1/2" OD Cheep old vinyl tubing from OSH;)

[diehrd]

no RED ? Blaaaaaa need red....

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by diehrd
no RED ? Blaaaaaa need red....

..... soon very soon....;)

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by Lothar5150


..... soon very soon....;)

What's your relationship to Swiftech?

And DAMN those are some tight curves!

[Dukemurmur]

hey that works pretty good i have seen this b4 over at the Aussies web site. They do inside the tubes to be origanal i forget what they used but it worked. And b4 u all jump on the flow wagon yes it did "just" barly restrict flow but not enough to lower temps.

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by UberBlue


What's your relationship to Swiftech?

And DAMN those are some tight curves!

I don't work for them if that is what you are asking.

Yep, its pretty Cool stuff.:)

[WaterBoy]

Anybody got any pics of these sleeves with 5/8" OD tubing?

[Lothar5150]

Here is 5/8 OD

http://home.socal.rr.com/lotharspub/58.jpg

[WaterBoy]

Great! I just bought 20ft of this stuff before I saw your pic!

How hard was it to put the sleeves on and bend it like that?
Is there any resistance that wants to make the tubing go 'straight'?

what tubing is that? normal 'home depot' tubing?

[Lothar5150]

Its just plain old vinyl tubing. It’s easy to wrap the tubing but not quite as easy as the 1/2 OD. It bends nice with the sleeve on it.

[BillA]

Originally posted by Lothar5150
Its just plain old vinyl tubing. It’s easy to wrap the tubing but not quite as easy as the 1/2 OD. It bends nice with the sleeve on it.
thanks for the comments, though we do not suggest tying one's tubing in knots
jk

a question: is putting the 1/2" Coolsleeve™ on 5/8" OD tubing so difficult as to warrant making it in a 5/8" size also ?

be cool

[Silent Buddha]

Make it for 1/2" ID 3/4" OD...please?

[BillA]

Originally posted by Silent Buddha
Make it for 1/2" ID 3/4" OD...please?
others running 3/4" OD tubing ?

if one uses the Coolsleeve™ on 5/8" OD, what is the purpose of the thicker wall ?

be cool

[noxipoo]

does it work on 3/4" OD tubes?

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by BillA

thanks for the comments, though we do not suggest tying one's tubing in knots
jk

a question: is putting the 1/2" Coolsleeve™ on 5/8" OD tubing so difficult as to warrant making it in a 5/8" size also ?

be cool

The 1/2 stuff works on 5/8 tubing but, I think that a size to fit 5/8 OD tubing would be better. It is difficult to adjust the pitch using to use the 1/2 sleeve on 5/8 tubing.

I agree with you other comment if you use the coolsleeves on 5/8 OD tube then you don’t need 3/4 OD tubes.

[Silent Buddha]

Well a lot of us around here have ClearFlex 60 which is 1/2" ID 3/4" OD.

[BillA]

yea, 5/8" is in the works - smaller too

3/4" is doubtful, not too sure how many want to make a big tube even bigger

Silent Buddha
might be a cleaner install to downsize your tubing, ??

be cool

[Lothar5150]

Silent Buddha-I think the major point is...you will not need to use Clearflex/premo with the CoolSleeves. You can get a better radius with the CoolSleeves and vinyl tubing with a 5/8 OD-1/2ID

[Silent Buddha]

I see what you guys mean. Bah, too lazy to change tubing :(.

[felinusz]

I intend to use this stuff, with Clearflex60 1/2" ID, 1/16" Wall, 5/8" OD tubing (which is ridiculously inexpensive from www.mcmaster.com ).

The end result should leave me with tidy tubing the same size as traditional 1/2" ID, 1/8" Wall, 3/4" OD, but with a better bend radius. As has been said above, if you're using this stuff, you really don't need thick walled tubing, do you?

The plastic coil acts as a thicker wall, but appears to be better for tight bends, in a crowded case.

Should be interesting to see how this works out :).

[WaterBoy]

Originally posted by BillA
yea, 5/8" is in the works - smaller too


be cool

Crap, I just bought 20ft of 1/2"OD CoolSleeves...

How long before you will have some for 5/8"OD??

[BillA]

several weeks, at a minimum

be cool

[Cyrix_2k]

That's some cool stuff. Too bad it doesn't come in 3/4"OD :( I also use Clearflex60 1/2"ID 3/4"OD 1/8" Wall. I would buy the cool sleeve if it was in the 3/4"OD size as I'm currently using hose clamps to keep from kinking. Even with those, it's still collapsing in some area's :( The only reason I wouldn't switch to 1/2"ID 5/8"OD is that I'm used to The 3/4"OD Clearflex.

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by Cyrix_2k
That's some cool stuff. Too bad it doesn't come in 3/4"OD :( I also use Clearflex60 1/2"ID 3/4"OD 1/8" Wall. I would buy the cool sleeve if it was in the 3/4"OD size as I'm currently using hose clamps to keep from kinking. Even with those, it's still collapsing in some area's :( The only reason I wouldn't switch to 1/2"ID 5/8"OD is that I'm used to The 3/4"OD Clearflex.

...but it still kinks on you. If you go from 1/2" ID clearflex with 1/8 wall to a 1/2ID vinyl 5/8 OD with the CoolSleeves you will not have the kink problem.

[Silent Buddha]

I guess I could use like 10 bucks to try out 1/2" ID 5/8" OD ClearFlex with 1/16" wall. Or maybe some cheap vinyl tubing from Home Depot.

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by BillA

others running 3/4" OD tubing ?

if one uses the Coolsleeve™ on 5/8" OD, what is the purpose of the thicker wall ?

be cool

for 5/8" ID, 3/4" OD (if it exists)?????

[Cyrix_2k]

Originally posted by Lothar5150


...but it still kinks on you. If you go from 1/2" ID clearflex with 1/8 wall to a 1/2ID vinyl 5/8 OD with the CoolSleeves you will not have the kink problem.

Doesn't vinyl kinda "absorb" the water?

[sandman001]

that would be silicone tubing.

I think I'm gonna pick up around 7 feet of this stuff.

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by Cyrix_2k


Doesn't vinyl kinda "absorb" the water?

Clearflex is the brand name of (PVC) vinyl tubing with 1/8 inch walls.

[sandman001]

Does anyone have any pics of the clear ones or the other colors installed?

[Cyrix_2k]

Originally posted by Lothar5150


Clearflex is the brand name of (PVC) vinyl tubing with 1/8 inch walls.

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Lothar5150]

Originally posted by Cyrix_2k


Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem.... PVC's are have very low water absorption. They replace most of the Hydrogen in the chemical chain with a chlorine. Thus the "C". It’s very nasty to process and when heated it gives off acid but once cooled it is extremely stable and resistant to most chemicals at temps below about 200F.;)

[siavash_s_s]

the spring inside the aussie tubes is stainless spring... and its the dumbest idea i have seen. it drastically cuts flow... just blow into a tube with it, and one without it. i personally saw it and immediatley swore at it... having a large spring outside, or a spring in the actual material is a *much* better idea

infact i went to a retailer of such springs, and unfortunatley he was out of springs that i was gonna use around my 1/2"id tubing.... this is hardly a new idea or an innovation

edit #2: and frankly it ****es me off how everybody in here is oggling at this "new idea"... this is exactly the same thing as tieing zip ties around your tube.... pathetic

[WaterBoy]

It's quite hard to source a store that sells springs like that..

[ares350]

just reviving an old thread.

wondering 2 things.

is the ETA on 5/8" tubing still a few weeks?

and 2. when will red be out? you mentioned soon...

and to connect the 2, will 5/8" also include red as a color.

lastly, will the red be UV reactive?

or is there any chance the clear could be UV reactive? be kinda cool to just tint the water, and run a clear UV coil, so the UV glows but you can have any color tint under the sun.

[Lothar5150]

5/8ths will be out very soon and yes red will be UV reactive.

[Ad Rock]

Originally posted by siavash_s_s
the spring inside the aussie tubes is stainless spring... and its the dumbest idea i have seen. it drastically cuts flow... just blow into a tube with it, and one without it. i personally saw it and immediatley swore at it... having a large spring outside, or a spring in the actual material is a *much* better idea

infact i went to a retailer of such springs, and unfortunatley he was out of springs that i was gonna use around my 1/2"id tubing.... this is hardly a new idea or an innovation

edit #2: and frankly it ****es me off how everybody in here is oggling at this "new idea"... this is exactly the same thing as tieing zip ties around your tube.... pathetic

Sounds like you might have some other issues other than some plastic springs around tubing. This is a new idea to a lot of people on here so they are excited about it. This is the entire point of the forums, to share and talk about new ideas. Also tieing zip ties around your tubing is ugly and this is a more elgant solution.

I suggest you calm down as I dont see how a thread like this could warrant such a response as the one you posted above.