AMD64 3000+ @2.6 Even 2.8 ??

[Lizardmegreen]

Hello everyone,
I am new to these forums and just wanted to say hey.
I also wanted to talk about overclocking the adm64 3000+
As I just got mine about a month ago and read tons of forums and threads on this very subject.
Lots and lots of people are talking about not being able to get to or even get past the 2.4 gig mark because of there not being a agp/pci lock.
Well Hmmm how can this be as I have gotten to 2.6 (260x10 =2600 Mhz) and even 2.8 (280x10 2800Mhz) on stock air with out this agp/pci lock.
I found that the only trick to this being was to raise the Vcore,Vdimm,And memory voltage levels.
I also droped the HT from 800 to 600 and 400 and I am now rock stable at 2.6 but could easly do 2.8 with a better cooler.
Now for my questions.
first since I now dropped my HT is this still considered a OC and is this not just making it faster but is it keeping the same power/strenth or am I making things worse?
Say like am I making it = to a overclocked 32bit 2500xp?
Next since I have gotten this far with my Oc if I upgade to a Amd64 3700+ Socket 754 @ 2.4 will I be able to get to around 3.0 or more?
I would think I would hit that 3.0 or more mark as this would be the same oc amount for each chip but with the 3700+ I am starting off with 2.4 instead of with the 3000+ starting off with 2.0 .
Oh and one last thing since the 3700+ cach is (1024) 512 more then the 3000+ will this stop me from ocing this high?
Hmmm well I am curious to hear what everyone else thinks.
Thanks for taking your time to read this....

:D :D

[hitechjb1]

Welcome to the forums

Nice OC.
Have you run Prime95 to check the stability of the CPU at 2.6 GHz or even 2.8 GHz? Can it run Prime95 at 2.6 or 2.8 GHz for hours without errors.

[Gautam]

2.8GHz, whoa, whoa, whoa! Now that's what I'd call hardcore! That's way, way above average. No normal A64 overclocks like that for sure.

The drop in perfomance between HT speeds is not that significant. Try and keep it close to 800MHz, though. It shouldn't be a problem at all. i.e. 3x260 instead of 4x200.

Next since I have gotten this far with my Oc if I upgade to a Amd64 3700+ Socket 754 @ 2.4 will I be able to get to around 3.0 or more?
Hard to say. Anything above 2.4GHz is rare, even FX53's usually only make it to 2.6GHz or so. It depends on when the 3700+'s actually come out. We may have some "super-stepping" overclockers by then.

What sort of system configuration do you have? You've probably got the fastest on the planet on air, by far. :drool:

[Lizardmegreen]

AMD64 3000+ @2.6 (260x10) HT400 temps 38c-42c on full
Asus K8V-D Mobo
Apacer 2x256 Pc3200
Scorpion-Z cooler gaming case W/420 Wtt PSU
6 case fans (4 80's) (2 92's) adding 4 more LOL
Maxtor 8MB 160GB HDD
Lite-On x4 DVD-/+R reflashed to x8 speed
Asylum GeForce-Fx 5600 256MB

Had it up to 2.8 with HT@200 but started getting Grafx and sound glitchs + temps were around 48 to 55c yuck!!

@2.6

Prime 95 stable for the hole 2 hours I ran it.

Tmpegnce stable Converted Matrix Revolutions at
DVD 720x480 Mpeg2 1 pass 4000Bitrate sound 4800Htz 24bit
7mins.

Dolphin Teaser stable running mariosunshine @19-21FPS
for 1 hour

thats about all I can think of for now.

[Yuriman]

Holy crap, get some phase change cooling on that sucker, and you can probably hit 3gz!! That would probably be the fastest cpu to date anywhere.

[hitechjb1]

It looks like you have a very OC'able CPU.

Are you using stock HS? I think Thermalright has a high end copper HS for A64, model 948U. You may want to check and consider using it. It should help to lower the 48 - 55 C to get more stability and hopefully you would be able to run 2.8 GHz on air stable.

[trueplaya4ever8]

man you are a lucky man my friend... goin for 2.8... my soon to be goal is only 2.6 with an athlon 64...

[greenman100]

shens?

[Lizardmegreen]

Yeah I am only running the original Heatsink and cooler fan.
I dont think phase change cooling would work for me as this is my 24/7 pc for movie ripping/copies, gaming,and web surfing.
But I am interested in getting better air cooling.
Anyone here have a amd64 extreme cooler like say Zalmen or thermaltake or even a valcano?
I would like some idea's and i don't care about noisieness.
I am really dieing to brake through to a stable 2.8 .
But at this point I am not sure thats going to happen as I think thats its my mobo holding me back.
I think my mobo doesn't like 280x10 fsb as every now and then when we get colder wheather I try to see if I can run stable @2.8 and sometimes I get a error mesage saying something about (out of range) wonder what this means?
Plus my onboard lan port stopped working wierd!!
This only seems to happen at 280x10 with HT400
But If I drop HT to 200 I only get skippy,crackle,flashy sound and video.
defenitly not prime stable but atleast I can boot into windows @2.8 with all my volts maxed out LOL.
It freezes after about 4 or 5 mins then I have to do a hard powerdown and reboot.

[hitechjb1]

When you get a chance, boot up to 2.8 GHz, get a MHz screen shot and also a Sandra CPU benchmark screen shot. I think many of us would like to see what number it is for the Sandra CPU Dhrystone and Whetstone benchmark numbers.

[Lizardmegreen]

I can't start any programs @2.8 it just freezes.
I thought I made that clear in my previous post.
all I can do is boot into windows for about 4mins and thin again it freezes but i can do this for you when running @2.6 no prob.
Now don't flame me but how do you take a screen shot using those programs?
Soon as I get better cooling and is a bit more stable I will try to get you a screeny when running at 2.8 ;)

[hitechjb1]

Originally posted by Lizardmegreen
I can't start any programs @2.8 it just freezes.
I thought I made that clear in my previous post.
all I can do is boot into windows for about 4mins and thin again it freezes but i can do this for you when running @2.6 no prob.
Now don't flame me but how do you take a screen shot using those programs?
Soon as I get better cooling and is a bit more stable I will try to get you a screeny when running at 2.8 ;)

If you are running windows (XP), start up a WCPUID or CPU-Z or GCPUID, click that window, alt-print to save that window image into the clip board. Then cut and paste the clip board into a paint program, and save that image as a JPG file (JPEG format). Then you can post the JPG file. You can also save Sandra benchmark windows and even the entire window screen as an image file, .... Hope this helps.

[bigfoot]

Holy Cow Man! thats a fast little bugger! Hey, can u do me a favor, I'm curious to know if this is a CG stepping chip, a screen shot @ 2.6Ghz could tell us this or if you dont mind taking off the heatsink and reading the chip if the first line of the numberrs/letters ends in "AR" then it's a CG stepping!, if it's "AP", I cant believe it's running 2.6Ghz stable unless it's cooled by a phase-changing system

Here's a step-by-step way to take a screen-shot:

download and run CPU-Z
w/ the program in focus, pres Alt+Prt Scr
open MS Paint and press Ctrl+V to past the picture
save the immage as a JPEG named 2.6Ghz A64 or something like that

[Yuriman]

Btw, what voltage are you running through everything? A lot of A64's have died because their memory controller couldnt take more than stock voltage.

[mercuryscythe]

I whould have thaught dropping the HT from 800 to 400 whould be dissabling 2 of the pipes therefore halfing your preformance. Am i wrong?

[devilscow22]

yes a screenshot would be very nice and also get the stepping of your chip please.

[Shade00]

Originally posted by mercuryscythe
I whould have thaught dropping the HT from 800 to 400 whould be dissabling 2 of the pipes therefore halfing your preformance. Am i wrong?

No, it doesn't quite work that way. You don't lose exactly half the performance. There is a slight decrease.

I'm having a hard time believing that you have a chip that runs 2.6ghz on a stock cooler, especially at the temps you listed. I don't mean to be skeptical, but even a CG revision chip would need 1.7v to hit that kind of speed, and then you would need at least an SLK948U to cool it well.

[devilscow22]

^^^ exacly why i want to see some screenshots

[Lizardmegreen]

Ok I tried to post but the picture was to big so i am trying to get my wife to do this for me cuase I don't know how to use paintshop LOL.
As for my volts they are all maxed out hope this doesn't kill my chip or mobo.
Here is the picture.

[Gautam]

Don't worry about voltage. 1.7 won't hurt it. Lemme see if i can beat ya ;).

[dead_man311]

very Nice OC there

[bigfoot]

Hole ****
I see it but I cant believe it!!!, WOW, it's a C0 stepping & it's for real!!! Umm, I'd really like to know what ur voltages are! along with some Prime temperatures too, plz!!!

[Lizardmegreen]

What the heck?
Why is it so fuzzy looking?
The stepping is not 0 its 8 as I just double checked the cpuz thingy.
What the hell is stepping any way?
Here I will try and post it again.

[dippy_skoodlez]

Its a c0 stepping. that number is useless. Nice OC! Trade ya ;)

[Lizardmegreen]

Ok so I am clueless here so what the hell does Co stepping mean?
I don't get it at all!!
Is it good or bad?

[devilscow22]

well its suppost to be a worse overclocker therefore bad but..... well i guess its good in your case

[ManOfKnight]

download sandra and do some benchies...i see your speed...but have you also done a burn in with prime95 to see if it is stable?

[NoobieOC]

Hey ppl
i got this new comp

its a AMD 3000+ 64bit athlon
wiht the K8V deluxe MB


want to know how i can clock this sucker..
um having trouble wiht the FSB setting, i can only go as far as 215 fsb.

Can u guys please help me, as far as i know, i can OC this to 2.6 just dont know how. Could it be my MB? on the back of the box its says it supports overclocking. or maybe i just suck :P

[Lizardmegreen]

I will try to help since it looks like you have the same set up that I do.
Don't use clock Gen as it lies about your volts just use bios to overclock it will work the best in the long run.
First what type of Memory are you running?
If you are running pc3200 or above you are good to go but if you are running something lower like pc2700 or 2100 then forget overclocking this high!!
Ok now then first go into bios.
Advanced,cpu configuration,Hypertransport HT Configuration.
And set HT Frequency from 800 to 400/16/16.
Then go to memory configuration and set to 1.1 or auto.
You can go ahead and turn AMD cool and quiet to enable.
Next go into jumperfree configuration/voltage.
Now Set CPU FSB Frequency to 230
Vcore Offset to on I think it should say something like -.021+
DDR Voltage to as high as it will go.
AGP Voltage to as high as it will go
V-Ling to as high as it will go.
Vdimm to as high as it will go.
Performance to auto.
Now go to Power.
Disable Q-fan
Up the Vcore if you still can to max.
Now reboot into windows and if you are stable you will be at 2.3 so you will want to reboot back to bios and head back into advance jumperfree configuration and up the FSB Frequencey to 240 and save and reboot back into windows then see if you stable again if you feel good then repeat this back and forth raising the fsb till you get to 2.6 .
You may even hit the 2.8 mark like me but remeber I have a ton of high power fans cooling my system too.
Oh and one last thing I would set your system to auto power- down if it hits 60c degrees or you could really mess up your system.
If you got Asus probe I would install that to as it keeps your system incheck at all times temp wise.
Well good luck and let me know how you did in Ocing your system!!

[makaka]

waw nice oc any benchmark??????

[OC Detective]

Yeah would like to see the 2K1SE 3D mark for that.

[The Coolest]

Would like to see it do 24 hours of prime95 stable too.
Still a great OC for the stock cooler and C0 stepping
The C0 is a revision of the chip, like version in software. There's a new stepping out right now, the CG stepping which is supposed to be a great overclocker, so that is what people were comparin yours to. Yours is definatly a C0

[zxlr8]

Lizardmegreen, It looks like you are using an emulator for xbox and gamecube games. Where can Iget one and more info on the subject is greatly appreciated. Great overclock too!!!

[Jhatfie]

2.6 is very nice OC, very much above average I'd say. I'd look into some better cooling for sure though with a sweet overclock like that.

Wish I had some more voltage to give my A64 3000+. Best I can do non 3D benchies on my 1.68v is 2520mhz.

[Lizardmegreen]

Um you can get the gamecube emulator here (http://www.dolphin-emu.com/screenshots.php) .
and the xbox here (www.xbox-scene.com) .
For the gamecube emu you must have a GC system with a BBA and fantasystar1and2 disc to rip your own games as your pc dvd drive cant read the real games.
For the Xbox you need a modded Xbox system with Evox dash on it and a ftp client to rip the games from your xbox to your pc.
I use flash fxp.
After you have your games ripped you can use either emu but remember they are beta releases and you will need 1 a very good cpu and 2 a hell of a good Grafx card.
I am only running my CG emu called dolphine at around 20fps for mario sunshine and 10fps for zelda WW and 14fps for mario kart.
I am not even using the xbox emu I only have folders on my desktop for backing up perposes only.
As I have a modchip for it and play my backups so I don't ruin my originals.
If you don't have either system then you can download ISO's from the usual spots not that I condone pirating!!
There is also a ps2 emu call pcsx2 but again it is a beta but all play real games but at slow fps.
Don't expect perfect grafx either.
If you ask me your better off buying the real things:D :D