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anyone have there CPU squeel b4??? well my dose...LOL dont know if thats a good thing or not.. but have underclocked my sys for now coz im just dont feel like messing with it right now. it was doing this squeeling thing when i ran benchmarks or ran games like UT04 or BF:V.. this is what it was clocked at when it was doing this squeeling thing.
my sys
Soltek SL-75FRN2-L
420w No Name PS
2000+ Thoroughbred OC@ 166/12.5/1.65v (2088.2MHz)
Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D " i have all 7 fans running on the 12v connector, but running off the fan controller "
512 DDR 2700 Generic / 2.6v
ATI 9600 Pro
Soundblaster live 5.1 MP3+Gamer
120gig Seagate
40gig Maxtor
10/100 Generic network card
and no it was not a fan or my video card or and thing like that. i swaped out everything and it was still doing it at my OC speed.. but when i set it to the default clock the squeeling stoped:-/
anyone here seen or had this prob???
Neo
hmmm, well the cpu doesn't have any moving parts...could you be more specific? is the sound coming from the speakers or from the cpu itself?
Cyrix_2k
04-17-04, 01:21 PM
Have you remounted the HSF? Small chance, but the squeeling could be caused by temp difeerences i guess...
Captain Newbie
04-17-04, 01:30 PM
If it's thermal related squealing, then you've got a real problem and the die will CRACK.
That said, it could be coming from the speaker itself.
well temps where 47.1 C under load... and no have not remounted the HS sin, i have got the board. and that was about mmmmm 2 weeks ago..
i also found out today that my 9 pin hook up in the back are bad. COM 1 and 2.. when i try and use my DSS loader it messes up.. but then i use all the same cables and hardwadre on my other computers.. it works just fine :(
i think this mobo is messed up
but ill check out that cpu in bit.. how could tell if its bad or not?
neo
Yuriman
04-17-04, 01:42 PM
You have all the correct drivers I suppose. If they dont work, they are normaly broken. Simple as that.
i have not checked yet... but if the die was cracked or broke. would the computer still work??
coz im on it now and have not looked at the cpu :eek:
Cyrix_2k
04-17-04, 02:55 PM
If the die was cracked or broken, the computer wouldn't work. If it's thermaly related sqeeling, it could CAUSE the die to crack. When you put you computer under stress, the temp goes up, and may cause it to squeel. when you lowered the speed, the temps went down and got rid of the squeeling.
well im using a silver based grease. i it 25% silver. when i was runing at 166 fsb i was @ 47.1C under load.. 47 is hi, but is still safe is it not?
but i am going to check out the die after i make supper. and if i need to add more grease i will. but when i was runing at 166 and temps where 47... if it was a heat prob, would the temps go up or no?
65stang
04-17-04, 04:53 PM
well i know my bros xp 1700+ when you scroll or do anything, it makes this high pitched whining noise. i have no clue what it is.
here is a screen of my MBM 5,Speed Fan and CPU-Z
how u add pix??? it did not seem to add it....:confused:
Cyrix_2k
04-17-04, 05:38 PM
47.1c isn't very high. I'm on water and I'm running at 50c right now, but that's because I don't have my fans on :D But if it was thermal squeeling it would be caused by CHANGING temps, not stable one's. Now if the squeeling is comming from your speakers, it's just interference. I had this on my old mobo and I had to mute all channels but "Master" "Wave" and "Synth". I muted "CD","Line-in","mic" etc...
Cyrix_2k
04-17-04, 05:39 PM
Oh, to post pics, you either use the image tags "http://www.whatever.com/image.jpg"" or you can attach an image of less than 200k and that's smaller than 640x640.
ok lets try this again.. + i just poped off the HS and added sum new past .. still geting the same temps and still geting the same squeeling sound at 166fsb.. i know its not a fan.. and my sound sys off. so i know its not a sound prob,
overdoze
04-17-04, 07:25 PM
My guess is that squeal comes from power supply switch. Some FETs does that under stress then it will eventually die. Try switch out the PSU if the squeal is still there it comes from the mobo FETs.
FETs? what are those? yah ill have to try the ps thing.. but if its the FET things on the mobo sould i be worried? sould i RMA it? the mobo is only 2 weeks old.
overdoze
04-17-04, 07:57 PM
FETs on the mobo supply power to the cpus. 5V is what supply power to the cpu thru the 2 legs FET. You can find them near the cpu sockets along with some donut coil and capacitors. The FET are normally very hot when it is working hard. Some of them leak too much frequency and it squeal b/c of the high switching frequency. Sometimes the coil could squeal too.
Cyrix_2k
04-17-04, 08:36 PM
Yeah, I just thought of that. The coil's could squeal while under load... Does it just do it at 166mhz FSB or what?
Too see if it's the coil's, underclock the proc to as slow as you can get it, then up the voltage. (500mhz would do great) Then run Prime95 and see if it squeals.
Basically the proc should run plenty cool, yet draw a fair amount of current becasue of the high v-core. This actually the same thing people do when they "Burn-in" CPU's
the lowest i can do on FSB is 100fsb. and the highest i can get on Vcore is 1.85v. what sould i set the muilt, @????
hrhrhrFOOT
04-17-04, 09:38 PM
As low as you can go, probably 5.
overdoze
04-17-04, 09:44 PM
power consumptions on the cpu depends on speed of the cpu as well not just voltage alone.
You can check the fact here
http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html
If the FETs does not work hard enough it won't squeal. To isolate where it squeal need to swap the PSU since it also has lots of coil and FET inside.
ChiefScout
04-17-04, 11:19 PM
back up, back up.....lets go for the obvious. Do you have messy wires in your case? check if some of them are hitting your cpu fan when its running, bet thats your squeeling.
ill try PSU swap out today and see what goes on. if the thing is still freakin squeeling. then i dont know. :confused:
Well its not the PSU.. i did a swap of that.. and its still doing it. i took the mobo out of the case and get it all mocked up. i did a hard drive swap to. i hooked up a 40gig that i had formated and installed winxp pro with this chip set. i ran a benchmark.. and guess what NOTHING! no sound no sqeeling. but its runing on a CAT 4.3. im going to clean the driver and install the driver that i had on the other HD. i was runing CAT 3.10 on the other drive.
and im runing all test at 166/12.5-1.72v
ill post back in a bit
overdoze
04-18-04, 08:50 AM
what do you know. Learn something new everyday. Congrats on finding the cause of squealling.
btw, what is CAT 4.3 and CAT 3.10?
CAT are ATI Video drivers.
but i dont think its my hard drive. i think its just the way suff maybe config, on the drive or sumthing like that.. i dont really know. if it does not make the squeeling sound on my 40gig i have have to try reinstalling windows or maybe reformating the other drive. but i dont know. ill see what happens. ill post back later
Neo
Cyrix_2k
04-18-04, 09:13 AM
If software can casue harware to squeal (other than speakers), I'll be a monkey's uncle.
well i just installed cat 3.10 and ran 3dmark02 "thats when i hear it the most" and guess what... it started squeeling:mad: .. so now im cleaning that driver off and going to try the new cat 4.4 and see if it does it... i can tell its coming from around the cpu part of the mobo. i dont know if its one of the coil or a batt, theres about 12 batts right beside the CPU socket.
ill post back in a bit
Cyrix_2k
04-18-04, 09:57 AM
batts? Do you mean Capacitors or Caps?
Ok, 3dmark would cause a lot of power to be drawn, so it could be the coils squeelling.
BTW, what's an FET?
well i give up...
its still doing that dumb squeeling sound....
it was working just fine about a week ago , and now i get this and now i cant seem to get it to stop. maybe b4 when it was not squeeling, it just did not hit squeeling temp on the other driver that i tested today:confused:.. i dont know anymore but it still seems to run just fine, but only when it has to do with any video, it just seem like it really like to do that squeeling sound when i do benchmarks on the video with 3Dmark.
oh well.. you think i sould RMA it? if i tell them that it does that sound when i use 3dmark. do you think they will use 3dmark to test for that sound? coz i dont really feel like sending it back and not have a computer for like a week or two and or have then send me the mobo back and tell me that its just fine, OR have the damn thing crap out and maybe kill my other hardware.
LOL My Bad Capacitors or Caps. Whatever:rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D
overdoze
04-18-04, 10:02 AM
if it squeal when you change video driver. Listen closely if you hear the squeal from the monitor?
I suspect it is the yolk inside the monitor making those noise due to different sweeping frequency setting by the video driver.
EDIT: I've had monitor squealling on me before.
nope its not coming from the monitor. its coming from the mobo, i just did 3dmark with the monitor off and its still doing it.
overdoze
04-18-04, 10:18 AM
not from the mobo I think. It's coming from your vid card with that video driver
i know its not my video card coz i have tryed 2 agp card and my pci video card and i get the same sound from all of them. its coming from the mobo. the sound it coming from my cpu/socket area.
AGP Card : Nvidia Gforce 2 MX 200 64mb
AGP Card : ATI 9600 Pro 128mb
PCI Card : ATI 7000 64mb
Cyrix_2k
04-18-04, 10:48 AM
Do you have another mobo you could try?
:edit:
RMA if you bought it from Newegg...
my heat sink rattles for about 10 mins untill it warms up lol . at first i was scare but i aint bothered now i dont normally turn it off long enough for it to cool down
Cyrix_2k
04-18-04, 12:32 PM
Ok, maybe you should change the fan on your heatsink. If it rattles when starting up up, that could point to bad bearings wehich can cause your fan to fail. If the fan fails, well, your computer's toast.
im in canada.. newegg dont ship to canada.. i got it from NCIX, heres the link mobo that i got at there website. all there prices are in CAD.
NCIX (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=9013&vpn=SL-75FRN2-L)
Squeeling is not a good thing! i just called a PC shops that i deal with. and i asked them if they have ever heard of that prob, and they yes they have and no its not good, it could kill the mobo and other parts of hardware in your sys. so i asked if i sould RMA it and they said i sould ASAP. so i guess monday ill be geting a rma number and be shiping it back. i wonder how long ill have to wait to get a new board?
and yes it does have to do with the coils and capacitors.
overdoze
04-18-04, 01:25 PM
So, my first guess was right. I got confuse about your driver and hardrive swap that makes it go away.
lol yah me two.. but what i was thinking when squeeling stoped that the caps and coils were not hot enuf yet :-/
Cyrix_2k
04-18-04, 01:37 PM
Do you have a spare fan that you could aim at the coils until monday?
Nice to see that you're getting a new mobo though.
ive had monitor squeeling, but DEGAUSS and res changes take that away.
also ive hear a 300W PSU squeel when running prime 95 and a totally silent computer, it was funny, only program to make it squeel, but it was WAY overloaded with stuff.
Rob
yah i got a few fans kickin around.. i can try that and see if that helps till i get it shiped... i dont know if they will give me a new one. coz i dont know how they will test it. but like i siad b4 i only realy heard it when i was playing BF:V and and 3dMark prog,but any other prog, it did not seem to make that noise at all, even under stres test, and im wondering how they will ship it back.. coz i might ship it by air mail.. if i send it by air mail will they send it back by air mail? thats sum thing im looking in to right now tho.
heres a link to what type of RMA Insurance i got on this mobo.
RMA Insurance (http://www.ncix.com/article.php?mode=expressrma)
and it sounds good..LOL. but i guess ill wait and see :rolleyes:
just put a 2 fans over the caps and coils. did not bring the temps down at all:confused: ... so um yah :-/
send it back if you can. the "batteries' are caps and over time or overvolting, or just a manufacturing flaw, they will push the tops out and open then boil liquid out. At that point that your mobo will no longer start. The squealing sound, is similar to a teapot venting steam.
Captain Newbie
04-18-04, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by 2coop
send it back if you can. the "batteries' are caps and over time or overvolting, or just a manufacturing flaw, they will push the tops out and open then boil liquid out. At that point that your mobo will no longer start. The squealing sound, is similar to a teapot venting steam.
If this is indeed the problem, then RMA the board right now. And I mean now! :)
Now, if you modded the board at all, then you broke it, and rule #3 is: Don't RMA stuff you break.
no i have not mod'ed the board in any way. the most i have dont is run a 266 chip at 333. so have i mod'ed kinna.. i have soft mod'ed it with the help of the bios, but not hard mod'ed it :) and yes im going to RMA it.
Captain Newbie
04-18-04, 04:47 PM
You've run it out of spec, but not beyond spec. Go ahead and RMA it.
Originally posted by Captain Newbie
and rule #3 is: Don't RMA stuff you break.
Whose rules are you playing by? Ha!
UPDATE:
well..... LOL.... it took a week to send back. "Fedex Ground:rolleyes: ".. well after a few days i called them and to see what was up with my RMA... well they siad they tested it and could not find a prob with the board at all.. " ok i guess im just messed up and im hearing stuff " and they did not know what to do. they did not know if they would send me a new board or send me back the old one. but then by the end of the day i got a email with a tracking number and what not and seen that the barcode number and s/n where both diff from my 1st order. Sooo im guessing im get a new board but ill guess ill have to wait and see. it says ill be here by friday of this week. "HOPE its a new mobo:p "
CandymanCan
05-03-04, 09:29 PM
I hear a sqeel in my headphones sometimes, but it does this even @ stock speeds, i just concluded it was my Soundstorm on the motherboard doing that.
UPDATE:
Well i got the new mobo today. "May.5.04" i got it all set up and runing the same way i had it set b4. boot it up, let it warm up abit, then i ran the 3dmark. and it was doing the same damn squeeling thing. :mad: :bang head. so i dont know whats up. Hey i got a new board and i get the new rev. REV AP. this one got a all new layout of the 12+ volt hook up and the caps in coils by the CPU are all layed out diff,
oh well i dont care whats really happens now.. i give up on this thing. if it blows up, it blows up LOL. at least i got a new board :D
Thanx for all your help and trying to help me fix this prob. Props to you all :thup:
try a different cpu and/or hsf. there's only so many things it can be...
lol i know.. i got to get my hands on another cpu or suming. i just got a new hsf. but i am still looking to get suming better. oh well ill find out sooner or later whats makin the sound :rolleyes:
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