Stop Embellishing on Intel

[It_The_Cow]

Sad to say, but an Alpha P3125 will be the last Intel related upgrade I will get. The AMD route seems too tempting. Maybe I'll get a Celeron or PIII 700 to finish a new system I can build, but not 'til they become as affordable as an AMD

[Endeavor]

i agree, when i get the funds, im going with an AMD

[Krome]

what is the real difference between Intel and AMD? What about Apple? I want an apple, can they be oc'ed?

[Endeavor]

intel is CPU multiplier locked, slower on most apps, and more expensive

amds can be unlocked, faster on most apps, and cheaper

[Allan Nielsen]

However, AMD runs WAY hotter (Needs more cooling), and the cores crack easily. I think these things are important as well, don't you?? ?? ??

[MKa11]

Hmmm.... AMD 1GHz + coppershim + good cooler is still much cheaper than Intel p3 1GHz....

[Kingslayer]

Not when your running dualies.....

[Allan Nielsen]

Mobos for intel are still cheaper though. For an upgrade, I would get intel. For a completely new system, I would get AMD.

[Pinky]

Originally posted by Allan Nielsen
Mobos for intel are still cheaper though. For an upgrade, I would get intel. For a completely new system, I would get AMD.

I wished that thinking worked for me... I keep upgrading cpu, then mobo, then cpu... can't seem to synch things up to go AMD ;).

[CrystalMethod]

I'm still an Intel fan, but I wanna try an AMD. Probably get one later this year and see what I can do with it. But, Allan's right the AMD's heat up like a S.O.B. ! I can leave my hand on my cel 800@922 and it's cool to the touch. but I wa having a problem with an AMD system at work Friday. My first thought was that it was over heating (36°C ambient temp, I couldn't even geuss what the CPU was at). So, being the idiot that I am, I touch the HS. I quite literally, burned my fingers. If I had a cam, I'd post pics. Still want to get one to play with though.

[cyberey66]

I'm an Intel man and will stay one. I think they just make better quality. AMDs are cheaper but the new celerons start at $60 and go well over 1ghz and just slot1 - 370 stuff is much more common. You don't see AMDs in servers but you do see Intel, in regular Piii, xeon, and crossing the 64 bit line to Itaniums. I don't bash nor hate AMD its good for home users and overclockers but my 3 friends have AMDs and they're systems seem to run worse than other p3 systems. Pricewise AMD is great but expensive Intel has quality.

[Zuck Gou :)]

I dont like any of the new formats.

AMDs socket a and intels FC-PGA are both risky when changing things like heatsinks and grease.

I love slot1 and slotA because the risk of losing a mobo is gone.

Thats why I'm selling this celeron and its motherboard for another slotA athlon.

Tinkering is alot less risky, and im not made of money that I can just lose a motherboard and go buy a new one.

Note: Ur probably thinking just take your time, because IVE never had a problem. Ive lost 1 motherboard when trying to get on a heatsink, and I've lost a celeron because of static. I know you can be careful etc ect, but accidents do happen.

:), kinda off topic

[cyberey66]

I do hear you I did break a brand new slocket. The socket 370 can be very tricky for heatsinks. I would never recommend a socket 370 board do to the weakness of the plastic heatsink attachments. And if you ever get a golden orb it must be modded to fit or it'll crush the celeron.

[Colin]

Well here is an Athlon guy that can't wait for the new socket configuration for the P4. At 1.3 micron, with applications to suport it, the P4 will be the king until the Sledgehammer is availble.

[DocClock aka MadClocker]

If they fix the floating point, the P4 will be king...it has bandwidth for days, and you ask any gamer that has one..they all say it kiks..the .13mic P4 and the sledge are both vaproware right now.
Personaly I might take the risk to build an amd, but I don't like all the extra drivers you have to get for the AMD platform.
I like Intel, I have never had a problem with compatibility with anything, unlike the Cyrix P166+ I had. I will probably stick with intel for that reason...the Cyrix was so shotty that it ruined me for other companies procs

[Tomas]

Originally posted by Endeavor
intel is CPU multiplier locked, slower on most apps, and more expensive

amds can be unlocked, faster on most apps, and cheaper

Btw the newer amd tbirds 1.2 and upwards are allready unlocked:) so u dont need to do anything to change the multipilere.

Also i just went to amd for about 6months ago and never looked back:)

Even an duron on the same speed as an pIII will be as fast as the pIII and sometimes even faster. A tbird beat the crap out of it.

Only bad thing is they need a bit more cooling if ur gonna oc it like an glowbalwin wbk38 or something a bit noisy.

But they are faster, more stable and alot cheaper.

Cellerons are slow as h**l + prizy compared to durons

[Tomas]

Originally posted by satan
I'm an Intel man and will stay one. I think they just make better quality. AMDs are cheaper but the new celerons start at $60 and go well over 1ghz and just slot1 - 370 stuff is much more common. You don't see AMDs in servers but you do see Intel, in regular Piii, xeon, and crossing the 64 bit line to Itaniums. I don't bash nor hate AMD its good for home users and overclockers but my 3 friends have AMDs and they're systems seem to run worse than other p3 systems. Pricewise AMD is great but expensive Intel has quality.

There will be alots of servers running amd in near future now after the athlonMP is out, which beat the crap out of xeons.

And durons oc way beyound 1ghz + they are WAAAAAAAY faster than a ****ty cellery. a duron 750 costs less than 50$ while a 766mhz celleron costs nearly 70$!!! and gives much less performance. My friend bought an 850 duron for 2weeks ago and by just bumping up the fsb he now running on a little over 1.1ghz with a fop32 globalwin, 45-49c which is not bad for amd.

And yeh i have used a celleron find them really slow compared to a duron.

[Boffin]

AMD and stability are not two words that go well together, patches patches and more patches are one of the small prblems with AMD and then there is the heat they make. Fried AMD could soon be a new flavour coming to a crisp packet near you.

[It_The_Cow]

Originally posted by Boffin
AMD and stability are not two words that go well together, patches patches and more patches are one of the small prblems with AMD and then there is the heat they make. Fried AMD could soon be a new flavour coming to a crisp packet near you. The trade-off is worth it in my opinion. I would much rather have the power rather than the conveinence. The price, too. $73 for a 1ghz T-Bird. Although bringing your system up to AMD's recommendations might make up for the difference, but nonetheless, I still think the trade-off is worth it.

BTW, this was never intended to instigate a flame-war (not that one has started) It's pretty much a personal decision to let anyone, that may care, know

[cyberey66]

I heard AMD is going to make a 64 bit CPU. Is that true and does anyone have any links? But I can't ever see AMD in servers especially with companies like HP that run almost all Intel even on their Unix machines now with Itaniums. But who knows if AMD can make a good 64 bit CPU maybe other companies will go for it.

I don't want to start an Intel vs. AMD war. Its a tradeoff and its your choose.

[CrystalMethod]

Actually, people have been surprizingly polite about the whole thing. I'm really impressed. None of that INTEL SUX! or AMD SUX!
just straight forward opinions.

[ken257]

I use both AMD and Intel, about a 50/50 mix for a dozen or so machines that I have at home. Both are great and I have no complaints either way except for the need to install extra drivers, etc. for the Tbirds. I do a little consulting on the side and when I make a system for a buisness I use Intel not AMD. It is just a little better proven and easier if the client needs to do a reinstall some time. Also I have come across a few buisness apps that don't run on AMD so when my reputation is on the line Intel is the only way to go. But for my playing around AMD is hard to beat.

[KaHNZa]

Originally posted by ken257
I use both AMD and Intel, about a 50/50 mix for a dozen or so machines that I have at home. Both are great and I have no complaints either way except for the need to install extra drivers, etc. for the Tbirds. I do a little consulting on the side and when I make a system for a buisness I use Intel not AMD. It is just a little better proven and easier if the client needs to do a reinstall some time. Also I have come across a few buisness apps that don't run on AMD so when my reputation is on the line Intel is the only way to go. But for my playing around AMD is hard to beat.

How can certain apps not run on AMD? I've never heard of such a thing and never had a problem.

[theflyingrat]

It's amazing this thread hasn't turned into the flame war it should have - people actually sticking to the 'I prefer Intel because" and "AMDs suit my needs well", as opposed to the "AMD sucks cause they break!" and "Intel sux0rz kuz they R sl0w". Congrats, posters!

If there's anything I've learned in my meager 22 years of life in this captalist society, it's that BRAND LOYALTY GETS YOU NOWHERE! The only way to be happy with products is to pick what suits you best at the time. If you immediately refuse to use a competing products because 'they suck', you chance dismissing a perfectly good product because you're too loyal to the other.

Myself, well, I have both. My Celly runs Win2K and is the most stable computer I have ever encountered, even with its 50% overclock to 950. My Athlon runs games like mad, and was still pretty darn cheap to build. I like them both and would never discount either Intel or AMD while building a new machine, since they both in my eyes have earned very high merits for performance and stability as of late.

[Coolio]

Its good taht there is no flame war over here. I guess it is one of the good qualities of this forum.;) ;) ;)

[cyberey66]

I like stability, I quess thats why I have Intel with windows nt. But I have to say an AMD might look like a fun project. In the future I can see myself building an AMD box for fun. Do AMD boards require different ram for their fsb or is it divided?

Well I am glad I didn't see one AMD/Intel sux post. I quess it's realized that it's up to the type of computer you have whether to get AMD or INTEL

[Katabatik]

I agree that it's good that there aren't any flames going around but there have been some very, dare I say, ignorant statements in this thread. Not that there are ignorant statements made all over the place but I always like to point them out so we can all better present ourselves. Anyhoo, this debate has gone on these forums about 10,000 times and it always turns into replies with too many biases. Not to say that all the posts were worng or anything but there is a lot of false information going around. The reason I bring this up is not to be a ******* or anything but because this is a forum for information and discussion of computers and oc'ing. When we start turning this into a propaganda forum that's when it gets to the point of almost being worse than flames. Most knowledgable users can differentiate between the useful info and the crap, but there are many and most here that do look to these forums for general info.

Like I said before I do have the longest most boring posts in all the forums.

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