This will be the last post...

[killem1x1]

This will be the last post by me about this subject. I have tried twice before with no response, as I waited patiently. I did one bump each time, but anyways, here goes:

I have an A7A266 mobo with a 1.4 'bird
156 w pelt (external variable DC PSU)
Blizzard water cooling kit including copper cold plate, and shim.

I read everything I could get my hands on around here and over at OCtools before I did the installation. I used dialectreic grease in the pinholes, and then RTV silicone on the base, and around each layer of closed cell foam.

I had a problem with my internal 460w PSU, that may have caused some problems with my mobo, so I went and picked up a Shuttle AK32, and an A7M266, along with a new power supply.

When I got back home, and started dis-mantling my two day sealing job, the Ziff Arm would raise, but not the bird, methinks I used to much silicone around the base of the socket.

So here I sit with a bird that reached 1703mHZ with normal watercooling that is stuck in my A7A266 Ziff socket. My new 1.4 is in my shuttle (air cooled temporarily), it will only hit 11.5x139@1.85v

I would dearly love to get my water-pelt rig back in, but I'm afraid of being doomed to repeat my mistakes. Obviously I think I followed directions precisely, and am not sure what I did wrong.
...and last but not least by any means, how the heck do I get my bird out of that socket without hurting the chip? I'd like to keep from damaging the mobo, as it still may function properly when cleaned up.

I would sincerly appreciate any help from anyone, and I certainly do the best I can at offering my help whenever I feel I can be of assistance.

PS on a minor note, my temps at the temp air cooling solutin are 114f while running seti, F@H, and prime95 with a stock HSF for about an hour (I was trying to get it as hot as it would go before I left home this morning), pretty cool for air huh?

[Colin]

Man I thought you were leaving.....

Was the silicone cured before you put your CPU in the ZIF socket?

[CalCoolage]

I think if the arm goes up the pressure on the pin contacts just might be off, unless the silicone jammed the release internally. Then the silicone is just gluing the CPU to the socket and you may be able to pry it out with a thin blade between the CPU and the socket. Cut around the accessible part with the knife, in case that might be where it is stuck. Wiggle with your hand and pry graduallyall the way around. Then take the plunge and crack it out if you have to.

Heck, people have pryed off stuff glued with epoxy. If you have enough grease, it could be just stuck by suction.
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FWIW

[killem1x1]

The RTV stated 3-4 hours for "proper-cure-time", but I let it sit overnight.
When I did power everything up, the "silicone" smell was very very very strong, so I'm quite sure the heat, "sealed everything in.
The other thing I may have done wrong is when I sealed the inside of the socket, I covered the thermal probe. So I'm sure I must have put to much around the inside :(

Oh, and about me leaving, you guys can't ever get rid o' me. I'm here until "death do us 'part". Can I hear I DO? ;)

I just didn't want to keep posting the same thing if noone had any ideas, I don't like to clutter up the board. This has been the friendliest, most informative, and un-biased forum I've ever been involved in. Albiet, sometimes a little to unbiased, heck sometimes I'd like for you senior guys to tell me what to buy, especially in the HSF area. It's a jungle out there.
As I'm currently working on two projects:
1
The most efficient Air system
2
The most effiecient water-pelt system
Money has not been a factor (yet). I'm out to determine (for myself) how much of an advantage the water-pelt rig will give me over air in the 1.4 'birds.
..but alas the water-pelt has not been stable enough for me to give proper feedback yet, but when it does I promise to share all of the data I have been collecting right here with my buds. I'm not going to post it on my personal page, or go around e-mailing everyone @ every website, because this is the only website that has given me the edge I have now. I have already done three reports on water vs. air on an 1.4 with a shuttly ak32, A7A266, and the A7M266, the Iwill will be back in my hands next week. I just want things to be well-rounded, and I don't feel like I'm going to be able to provide the "clear-cut" information needed unless I'm doing the exact same tests with a pelt.
When I first came here, I didn't post at all (or hardly at all) before I read every article on everything off the main page, but I still see people asking the same questions in regards to pelts with HSF and water-cooling. I'd like to fill that void, (for my own knowledge as well.
I'll stop rambling now, but again thanks for any responses, advice or suggestions, and I don't mind being told "you did it wrong", I just like to be told ;)

[killem1x1]

Originally posted by CalCoolage
I think if the arm goes up the pressure on the pin contacts just might be off, unless the silicone jammed the release internally. Then the silicone is just gluing the CPU to the socket and you may be able to pry it out with a thin blade between the CPU and the socket. Cut around the accessible part with the knife, in case that might be where it is stuck. Wiggle with your hand and pry graduallyall the way around. Then take the plunge and crack it out if you have to.

Heck, people have pryed off stuff glued with epoxy. If you have enough grease, it could be just stuck by suction.
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FWIW

I am pretty sure you are right about it being jammed internally because when I raised the arm (and kinda forced it to the most upright position), the back of the slot kinda "came-open" a little bit, then I can push the armit back down, and press on the socket and it pops back in place, so I went ahead and pushed on the arm while holding the back of the socket with my thumb, and broke the part of the socket that holds the arm in. Obviously I can super-glue that back in place, but guess what, still can't get the chip out?
So I tried with a small flat blade (scared to death I'm gonna damage the chip) I pried on one side, then the other, not a budge. I may not be pressing hard enough, but I'm scared I'll damage the ceramic. If I do scratch the creamic will that affect anything? Obviously, If I crack the ceramic it's a goner, right? I mean the 1.4 bird was 200 bucks when I bought it, the mobo was $166, now I can get more chips and mobos, but this chip was a good O'cer, 1703 with just water!
Thanks for the help guys!

[Colin]

Since the silicone was cured, Cal has the ticket. A thin blade around the siliconed areas would be my first thought. Pay particular attention to the top part of the ZIF socket. If there is too much silicone there, the socket won't be able to slide when you try to lift the lever. You may want to gently pry the ZIF socket lever with a small screw driver.

[_jubei_]

I don't think that there IS an efficient Air Cooling system....... Right now in NYC Temperature is in 100 F.... So no Matter how big your FAN is it will NOT cool you CPU enough.. I have FOP 32-1 fan on my CPU amd 1.2, and my CPU temp is 60 C.. I even installed 92mm Fan and still the temp was 60 C.. How can it cool the CPU with Air if Air temp is 100 F.....

I will soon install watercooling Kit.. I think this is the ONLY way to cool yourCPU..

[killem1x1]

Originally posted by _jubei_
I don't think that there IS an efficient Air Cooling system....... Right now in NYC Temperature is in 100 F.... So no Matter how big your FAN is it will NOT cool you CPU enough.. I have FOP 32-1 fan on my CPU amd 1.2, and my CPU temp is 60 C.. I even installed 92mm Fan and still the temp was 60 C.. How can it cool the CPU with Air if Air temp is 100 F.....

I will soon install watercooling Kit.. I think this is the ONLY way to cool yourCPU..

I'm in central Alabama (No, we are not all rednecks, and hillbillys living in trailer parks, and talking about UFO abductions along with anal probes <JK> We just don't know how to spell <JKA>), and if you look at your national weather you'll see we have some of the hottest summer temps, and the absolute highest humidity (being 2 1/2 hours from the gulf coast), I'm at 81f and 68% humidity in my corner of the house right now. You may think that I'm "burning-up, but I'm very comfortable.
As for my "Effiecient Air cooling", I don't think I made myself clear about what I'm after. I'm out to build the most efficient Air system. There are many people that will never put water in there cases, no matter what. I'd like to be able to provide enough "detailed" information in regards to products, temps, and overclockability of the AMD 1.4 in respect to that group of people.
Along, with that I am doing this so that I can be "The best I can be" in my office. I'm responsible for making decisions on all of our servers, workstations, laptops, etc.., and water is not an option in my office, nor would I recommend it for any office with more than 3-4 systems.
It's not 100f in your office / house is it? If so, you will be forever fighting a losing battle, as I qickly found out, even with watercooling you will still only get ambient temps, or maybe 1 - 2 degrees cooler. I even added a second Rad, this just allowed more stable temps at a faster rate. A TEC is the only reasonable way I have seen to achieve below ambient. Although I'm not after below ambient temps full time. 72f would be fine for me in regards to "full-time" use (Due to condensation). Obviously I'm going to do some testing with respect to "lower xx temps=xx clock / FSB speeds".

[bdf24]

I had some RTV silicone on my PIII 800 CPU from using a peltier. When I sold the cpu I wanted to get all the silicone off the cpu. There was a lot on it. I used alchohol to some what weaken the silicone and allowed me to get most of it off. Took a lot of scrubbing but it came off. Although it did'nt get it all off. It got most of it off.

[killem1x1]

Thanks for the suggestions from everyone! I think it's a combination of being "sealed" in by suction from the grease, and the inside pocket having way tooo much silicone in it. I guess I'll bite the bullet in a few and just break the ziff apart, all the while hoping for the best.
Thanks Again ;)