ATI Shuts Down [H]ardOCP Forum!

[NuclearGOD]

According to recent rumors circulating around the net, Ati has "strongly recommended" that Hardocp close their forum until the release of the r420 (x800) graphics card.

This was prompted by Hardocp's breach of the Non-Disclosure Agreement with Nvidia, releasing benchmarks of their NV40 card earlier. Ati is worried that the same thing might occur with the r420, so they have taken actions to minimize the chance that this could happen to them. Information indicates that if Hardocp breaks the NDA with Ati like they did with Nvidia, Ati will sue, and not send anymore graphics cards to them for reviewing purposes.

Again, this is just speculation, and none of it is confirmed, but Hardocp's forums have been down for an extended period of time--check it out yourself!

[Boomstick]

Hard to say without the inside scoop. I find it hard to believe ATi would force the closure of a forum because of what might happen.

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Boomstick
Hard to say without the inside scoop. I find it hard to believe ATi would force the closure of a forum because of what might happen.

I wouldnt...

[Overclocker550]

its true, hardOPC is down! I think they are scared of millions $$$$ lawsuit so to be safe, the admin shut down the forums till the NDA expires. could be may 10!

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
its true, hardOPC is down! I think they are scared of millions $$$$ lawsuit so to be safe, the admin shut down the forums till the NDA expires. could be may 10!

This question goes out to both...OC550 and NuclearGOD...

Do you have proof this is why the forums are down...has it been posted anywhere...or is this strickly rumor ville?

BTW - I did email Kyle and Steve about this "rumor"...just to see what they both say on the matter...IF they even reply...

[Stee]

hahah sad *******s. like it matters

[hooah]

Thats ****ty, I was waiting to sell my ATI 9500np and all the contact info was in the hardocp forum. Oops, should have written it down I guess. :(

[Overclocker550]

sell it on ebay, you could get enough for a ti4200 easy if not more :)

[Steven4563]

LOL OC550............... i say no more :D

[Belephon]

Odd... dunno about the rumors, but according to netcraft Hardforums.com went down/changed over last Sunday the 25th. According to autoprobe, no known changes to their Apache server, but could easily have changed their firewall, load balance, etc.

Does anyone remember if Hardocp forums being up on the 25-27th? If so, more than likely, they really are doing some type of maintenance. Better to wait for an official reply on Hardocp instead of speculating.

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
sell it on ebay, you could get enough for a ti4200 easy if not more :)

Why do you insist on telling people DOWNGRADE their video cards...

Thats like me telling people to go get a 87 Geo Metro because it will keep up with the newer corvettes...

One minute you say go get a Ti4200...then you turn around and tell someone else to get a 9800 Pro...when they both have DX9 cards now :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Overclocker550
its true, hardOPC is down! I think they are scared of millions $$$$ lawsuit so to be safe, the admin shut down the forums till the NDA expires. could be may 10!

Originally posted by glock19owner
This question goes out to both...OC550 and NuclearGOD...

Do you have proof this is why the forums are down...has it been posted anywhere...or is this strickly rumor ville?

Also...can't back up your statement from above or?

[DDR-PIII]

[H]A[H]A..... the [H]..... *sigh*... who cares about em...

[hooah]

ya right, a ti4200, no thanks. I've got a 9800 Pro in the system now, but ya, if its gonna be till may 10th, I'll just list it on ebay.

[glock19owner]

*waits to see if OC550 "accidently" misses my post to them*...

[Overclocker550]

you dont need to buy a ti4200 if you dont have a backup system to use it, maybe buy doom3 with the money you get with that 9500 :)

[glock19owner]

OC550...

I see you missed answering my questions to you...what...can talk the talk...but can't come up with a REAL answer when asked a direct question...

[twump]

glock you may as well give it up. oc550 never admins his mistakes and likes trying to convince people to downgrade their cards because he is in love with his ti4200. so sad he doesn't know how crappy his card really is

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by twump
glock you may as well give it up. oc550 never admins his mistakes and likes trying to convince people to downgrade their cards because he is in love with his ti4200. so sad he doesn't know how crappy his card really is

Oh I know...all talk and no walk...

Funny how he has all white stars :rolleyes:...

[Overclocker550]

the ti4200 is much faster than a 9500np and almost as fast as a 9600 pro. the 9600 pro is waaaaaaaaay better than a 9500np

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
the ti4200 is much faster than a 9500np and almost as fast as a 9600 pro. the 9600 pro is waaaaaaaaay better than a 9500np

You still didnt get it...and prove to me that the Ti4200 is faster then a 9500NP in DX 9 apps...

If you can prove to me that the Ti4200 is faster then a 9500NP in DX 9 apps...I will be the first to call BS since the Ti4200 does NOT support DX 9...

The Ti4200 MIGHT be faster then a 9500NP on DX 8...but who honestly cares about DX 8 now...like 20K is so hard to break anymore...

BUT you still missed the main thing I was asking and still will keep asking until you give a answer...because I know I am not the only one asking this...but the only one asking this on the forum right now...

Originally posted by Overclocker550
its true, hardOPC is down! I think they are scared of millions $$$$ lawsuit so to be safe, the admin shut down the forums till the NDA expires. could be may 10!

Originally posted by glock19owner


This question goes out to both...OC550 and NuclearGOD...

Do you have proof this is why the forums are down...has it been posted anywhere...or is this strickly rumor ville?

Show me the proof...if you can't show me...and the rest of the thread posters the proof of what you state...then don't go jumping on the bandwagon without having some proof behind what you state...

I don't really have anything against you yourself...but what you post sometimes has very little information other then...yea do this because or yea its like this becasue...but you do not show or state any proof what you post...

You honestly would have more credibility in here and XS if you would back up what you state most of the times...

[Overclocker550]

I have no proof why H is down, no one does but we like to speculate. the ti4200 cant do dx9 but in dx8 it crushes the 9500

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
I have no proof why H is down, no one does but we like to speculate. the ti4200 cant do dx9 but in dx8 it crushes the 9500

Once again...this goes with what I added to the post above...

And yes you can...do like I do...email...that way if something else comes back then what the email stated...it covers your own azz ;)...

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
I have no proof why H is down, no one does but we like to speculate. the ti4200 cant do dx9 but in dx8 it crushes the 9500

Once again, show me the proof that a stock Ti4200 beats a stock 9500NP...this goes with what I added to the post above...

And yes you can...do like I do...email...that way if something else comes back then what the email stated...it covers your own azz and reputation;)...

[Overclocker550]

I am too busy with homework to search up games comparing a ti4200 against a 9500 but the 9600p is about 10% faster than a ti4200 in dx8 both stock. the 9600p is about 1/3 faster than a 9500

[corrosion231]

the reason the hardforums are down is because kyle is a crappy admin and the simple upgrade to vbull3 killed the database

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
I am too busy with homework to search up games comparing a ti4200 against a 9500 but the 9600p is about 10% faster than a ti4200 in dx8 both stock. the 9600p is about 1/3 faster than a 9500

Until you can actually show proof...I along with most of the people wont believe that...epscially since you have time to surf the forum and reply to this thread...but cant do a simple search for a few links proving that I AM WRONG...

Originally posted by corrosion231
the reason the hardforums are down is because kyle is a crappy admin and the simple upgrade to vbull3 killed the database

This I find could be the possible truth...he has been known to kill his database before during simple upgrades before...

[DDR-PIII]

hahah yeah i seen that about 45 mins ago :P hahah *sigh* kyle.... oh well...who really dont need [h] do we ?:p

[Overclocker550]

http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021024/ati-03.html#aquanox


the ti4400 owns the 9500 PRO!


http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021024/ati-04.html

same story!!!!!!!!!


I havent yet found 9500 benchies, but you can bet its slower than a ti4200, nuff said.

[Kendan]

Originally posted by glock19owner


Why do you insist on telling people DOWNGRADE their video cards...



He did no such thing in his post and your continued pushing him into some kind of video card debate in this thread is deplorable.

His advice was to sell it on ebay then he said he would get as much money as a ti4200 costs. this in no way is telling him to get a 4200 he could have as easily said a pink rabbit and then what would you have commented on. Stop the flamebaiting and starting of debates in threads where they do not belong take it to PM if you must continue on this course.


Edit: I do not want to see one more video card post in this thread or I will personally report it for deletion. If that happens I would like the thread starter to understand and restart the thread.

[TruckyJ]

"The forms are closed for maintenance!"

Doesn't look like we'll be told if the whole ATI thing is for real or not. It will all just be speculation.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think this matter is worth any more of my time. :D

[Kendan]

Well it is better than what the thread degraded to:eek:

As for the truth, you certainly wont get that out of kyle or steve:p

[TruckyJ]

Originally posted by Kendan
As for the truth, you certainly wont get that out of kyle or steve:p

My thoughts exactly.

[JigPu]

Originally posted by Kendan
He did no such thing in his post and your continued pushing him into some kind of video card debate in this thread is deplorable.

His advice was to sell it on ebay then he said he would get as much money as a ti4200 costs. this in no way is telling him to get a 4200 he could have as easily said a pink rabbit and then what would you have commented on. Stop the flamebaiting and starting of debates in threads where they do not belong take it to PM if you must continue on this course.


Edit: I do not want to see one more video card post in this thread or I will personally report it for deletion. If that happens I would like the thread starter to understand and restart the thread.
EXACTLY what I wanted to say!

This thread is in no way related to 9500s, 9600s, or TI4200s. Please leave that to the rest of the forum (if in an intelligent discussion) or PMs (if you absolutely MUST flame).


After the many posts OC550 and glock19owner have "participated" in together, I'd think you two would have some understanding of each other :rolleyes:. Please, keep the debates OUT of unrelated threads.

JigPu

[cack01]

Back on topic. So Kyle or Steve leaked the benches on purpose?
If they didn't, I see no reason why ATI would force the forums to close. It just doesn't make sense. It would be simillar to bazooka Joe forcing a candy store to close a single room b/c some kid stole some candy. The single room had nothing to do with the candy being stolen, the whole store needs to be closed down to prevent candy from being stolen.

On a side note, I would think the OC folding team should be taking advantage of this.

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by JigPu
After the many posts OC550 and glock19owner have "participated" in together, I'd think you two would have some understanding of each other :rolleyes:. Please, keep the debates OUT of unrelated threads.

JigPu

Originally posted by glock19owner
I don't really have anything against you yourself...but what you post sometimes has very little information other then...yea do this because or yea its like this becasue...but you do not show or state any proof what you post...

You honestly would have more credibility in here and XS if you would back up what you state most of the times...

Originally posted by Kendan
He did no such thing in his post and your continued pushing him into some kind of video card debate in this thread is deplorable.

His advice was to sell it on ebay then he said he would get as much money as a ti4200 costs. this in no way is telling him to get a 4200 he could have as easily said a pink rabbit and then what would you have commented on

Originally posted by hooah
Thats ****ty, I was waiting to sell my ATI 9500np and all the contact info was in the hardocp forum. Oops, should have written it down I guess. :(

Originally posted by Overclocker550
sell it on ebay, you could get enough for a ti4200 easy if not more :)

Is that not suggesting to sell the 9500NP and get a Ti4200...yes it is...

If you are going to say anything Kendan...make sure you say it right...and with what I said...


And still no reply for Kyle or Steve about the forum being down...why does that not suprise me...

[Overclocker550]

glock, lets take this to IMs, I want to have a debate in private as not to get this thread locked

[Oni]

How 'bout you both back off eachother for a little why. Agree to disagree, as it were.

Wether or not ATI shut down their forums or not, we'll pro'lly see an influx of new users here soon ;)

[Evnas]

I highly doubt that is the case. Were it something like that, Kyle or Steve probably would have made a post on the main page about it, as they have always been open about being "threatened" by someone. Most likely its just maintainence gone awry, which is no uncommon at all.

[Kendan]

Originally posted by glock19owner










Is that not suggesting to sell the 9500NP and get a Ti4200...yes it is...




No it is not, that is you seeing it as that so you can start up your little debate. Please take it out of this thread!!!

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by Evnas
I highly doubt that is the case. Were it something like that, Kyle or Steve probably would have made a post on the main page about it, as they have always been open about being "threatened" by someone. Most likely its just maintainence gone awry, which is no uncommon at all.

My thoughts exactly. They have never been ones to keep their mouths shut.

I'm thinking someone goofed... And for once it wasn't Shadow. ;)

[conscript]

omg I'm amazed how many other forums have furthered this bs rumor. They're upgrading to vb3, and hopefully going to get the damn search function working finally....

[Kendan]

Originally posted by conscript
omg I'm amazed how many other forums have furthered this bs rumor. They're upgrading to vb3, and hopefully going to get the damn search function working finally....

It does not take that long to upgrade to VB3 unless they really messed somethinbg up bad:eek:

[I.M.O.G.]

How long have they actually been down for, do you know? Just curious.

I thought the search function was nixed way back from the old "cover up" ordeal? Is it just broke supposedly?

[@md0Cer]

GUYS THEY ARE UPGRADING TO VB 3.0!! lol......

EDIT: Ok, now that I am not so shocked about rumors, I do know they are upgrading becuase I see VB3.0 right in front of my eyes, and it could take 2 days to upgrade if you are installing hacks. I was hacking G.O. Forums for a couple months.

I am not defending [H], but let's try to keep rumors down to a minimum unless we know for sure. This does sound quite ridiculouse, I doubt that ATi would shut down their forum becuase they leaked nvidia info? Whoever leaked nvidia info probably was working on the inside, how else would secret info get out? Now would this nvidiot be working for ATi and leaking info too? What would stop them from coming to another big forum like OC?

Get my point? If it isn't, it REALLY looks like a rumor and nothing more.

BTW, sorry for the "nvidiot" in my post, I just think that is too funny. Some member posted that. Im not really that much of a fanboy, it is hillariouse some of these things though hehehe

[Kendan]

It should not take 2 days to upgrade. and 2 days is just what I have noticed:eek:

[@md0Cer]

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I just edited my post with some more of my opinion

[Kendan]

Well as far as I am concerned they have a very bad admin if they have to go offline for 2 days to upgrade to VB3. I never said the rumor was true. The only thing I said was that them being offline for 2 days leads me to believe they screwed the pooch:p

[DayUSeX]

Eh who cares does anyone really like the Hard forums they seem just liek a bunch of whiney uneducated 12 years olds to me anyways. I never visit that wasteland.

[I.M.O.G.]

I think that is pretty unfair to say really.

I've received some excellent help there when I couldn't receive help anywhere else. There are good members there just like there are anywhere else... Unfortunately there isn't anything done about the bad seeds there and there is no one to lead by setting good examples. The good are too easily drowned out by the bad.

I've knocked the [H] myself in the past, but after receiving some really insightful help on a PCI controller problem there I realized I should reconsider.

It isn't a place I would want to hang out though, as the environment is just hostile. They do have very good help to offer if you get the right people to help you.

[jo3]

Originally posted by glock19owner


You still didnt get it...and prove to me that the Ti4200 is faster then a 9500NP in DX 9 apps...

If you can prove to me that the Ti4200 is faster then a 9500NP in DX 9 apps...I will be the first to call BS since the Ti4200 does NOT support DX 9...

The Ti4200 MIGHT be faster then a 9500NP on DX 8...but who honestly cares about DX 8 now...like 20K is so hard to break anymore...

BUT you still missed the main thing I was asking and still will keep asking until you give a answer...because I know I am not the only one asking this...but the only one asking this on the forum right now...





Show me the proof...if you can't show me...and the rest of the thread posters the proof of what you state...then don't go jumping on the bandwagon without having some proof behind what you state...

I don't really have anything against you yourself...but what you post sometimes has very little information other then...yea do this because or yea its like this becasue...but you do not show or state any proof what you post...

You honestly would have more credibility in here and XS if you would back up what you state most of the times...






take this **** somewhere else guys jesus.




glock just admit that the 4200 isnt a bad card, and oc550 just admit that as ****ty as the old radeons are ati had a jump on nvidia with dx9 and was better with it.


there is no reason to argue or brand or label. this isnt middle school where people that wear gap clothes fight with people that shop at hot topic over which is better.

let fanboys be fanboys, just dont argue over opinions.

[mdcomp]

jo3, drop it please, I understand what you were trying to do and I appreciate that. That is not relevant to this thread, they said they were taking it to IM's and PM's and thats fine. Please drop this issue and let a mod take out the trash later.

Let's get this thread back on track everyone. Thank you.

Matt

[macklin01]

jo3, gock19ownder,

one more peep out of either of you two on the "side discussion" and you're going to get it.

Everybody else, keep it to the main theme of this post. Keep your posts respectful. Follow the rules. -- macklin01

[madcow235]

I've upgraded many forums in my days and Most forums, i dont use Vb i like phpBB more, allow you to get a pack that you use to manually upgrade the forums so you dont lose any hacks. So them being down seems kind of lame IMHO.

[Aeon Flux]

Im sorry OC550 but again most synthetic benchmarks mean crap. I have a radeon 9200 in my rig and my brother has a ti4200 in his rig. My 9200 is made by connect3d and his ti4200 is made by bloodymonster. He has about 512 more megs of ram then I do. He also has a maxtor 7200 rpm 8 meg cache pata drive in his computer while I have a 5400 rpm 2 meg cache pata drive in my computer. Other then that our systems are exactly identical down to the bios on the motherboard and stepping on the chip. In fact the only other thing differing is our case and that's it. But yet for some reason I still get higher benchmark scores and very smooth playbility in games with the eye candy and on medal of honor: allied assault in an intense fight his computer looks like a slide show. Sorry man, but just face the facts, In real world comparisons gettign away from that synthetic benchmark bull**** even the radeon 9200 kills the ti4200.

[Oni]

Aeon Flux, did you happen to miss macklin01's post? :confused:

I would suggest you edit your post before another mod sees it, which is likely to happen in a thread that degrades like this.

[Kendan]

Why can't we all just get along and read warnings when they are given. Macklin posted and made it very clear to take that argument elsewhere. Please do it. I recomend this thread be sent to the trash heap:eek:

[@md0Cer]

Come on guys! Drop it please. I hate to be off topic of the thread myself...but lets just end it and have on topic posts after this one. I mean come on, it is not that hard to stay on topic and just end it. Really, it is not. Funny, the two that were origionally arguing were able to stop it in this thread and take it to IM's but everyone else is having some trouble.


Anyways, just to add some relevent info to the thread, [H]ardforums are still down, and I doubt they messed up becuase I am not seeing any SQL errors or anything, also the theme is still the stock VB theme, so my only conclusion is they either messed something up, ATi really did shut em down ( I doubt it becuase it really seems quite far fetched ), or they are taking their time and installing some hacks.

This thread will not be needed to be sent to the trash heap if we all could just play nice and get along :(

[Codeman05]

Originally posted by Kendan
It should not take 2 days to upgrade. and 2 days is just what I have noticed:eek:

definately, and I guess this would be day 3 now. I've done the upgrade a number of times, and even on a massive board...it shouldn't take long at all, definately no where near even a full day

But weither they are just having alot of problems or actually got shut down...no idea

[@md0Cer]

Originally posted by Codeman05


definately, and I guess this would be day 3 now. I've done the upgrade a number of times, and even on a massive board...it shouldn't take long at all, definately no where near even a full day

But weither they are just having alot of problems or actually got shut down...no idea

Thank you for an on topic post! Before I get started, I might add, that is one whoopass rig you have in your sig! :thup: /me = :drool:


Anyways, now that it is day 3 I am starting to get a little suspiciouse something is up and they are on day 3 and still have the stock VB theme. That tells me that they are either installing hacks that are not theme related, or something out of the ordinary is up. Alot of hacks require the editing of a template, so they obviously are not hacking with those types of hacks becuase they have not gotten their template yet, unless they plan to use the stock VB, which I doubt.

[glock19owner]

Hardocp (http://www.hardocp.com) seems to be completely down now...

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.12 Server at www.hardocp.com Port 80

[Codeman05]

thats weird, I was just on it about 5 mins ago. You can still try to get to the "forms" and they are still down for "maintenance"

[@md0Cer]

I get a thing that says they are redesigning.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/maranellof1/H.JPG

[bigZ]

I get the same error, but I can't believe for a minute that HardOCP would stay quiet about something like this... they've always been a tough nut, as proven by the Infinium Soap Affair.

[Kendan]

That is from when they redid the front page just reload www.hardocp.com. It is up but the forums are still down. I stick by my assumption that they messed something up;)

[corrosion231]

I get a 404 for hardocp now and its not pinging or tracerting at all for me.

[bigZ]

Originally posted by Kendan
That is from when they redid the front page just reload www.hardocp.com. It is up but the forums are still down. I stick by my assumption that they messed something up;)

I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. Seeing a vB3 style layout :)

[I.M.O.G.]

I would think this is getting to the point of being a considerable amount of downtime in reference to their advertisers even.

Will we have downtime for our VB3 move or will it be mostly transparent?

If it will be anything like this, I don't want to move at all.

[Voodoo Rufus]

Isn't part of the problem with upgrading some of the custom written mods that the forums have that take some rewriting? I remember some people saying that about these forums, that some stuff isn't 100% transferrable. Is that possible in the case of [H]?

I also got the main page errors but they didn't last for long to me.

[JigPu]

Yeah, that could take a little while to do. That's mainly why there aren't any huge mods going on to this forum. We know it's gonna be a pain to transfer them to VB3, so we aren't adding any until the officaial version comes out.

...hopefully it doesen't take this long to install VB3 for us (if that is indeed the problem they're having)...
JigPu

[Kendan]

Are you guys kidding me:confused: There is no need for the kind of down time they are going thru. Just watch how much time we are down when we switch over. Then you come back to this thread and start asking why are they down for three days and counting.

[I.M.O.G.]

I had no idea what it really entails; I have no idea what the underlieing characteristics look like or how the components interact. Will be very interesting to see what our downtime is like when the change comes.

V_R, I believe there are custom things done here, and I know there are many hacks implemented already also.

Jigpu, not sure on your meaning with how you worded that, but just wanted to mention that a VB3 final release is out... Anyhoo, it's just a matter of time for us now and the word on it is "soon".

[dropadrop]

I can't believe ati would have them close it down. The images where leaked due to them having lacking security features on the site, and this was fixed as soon as they started to be spread across the net. (it was a finnish guy who grabed the images)

If you want to find a conspiracy theory then look at somebody else who could have a problem with them, like that firm who wanted to sue them for that gaming console ect. (I don't think that would be the reason either)

[Belephon]

Not being able to do a traceroute or ping is meaningless since the majority of hosts now disallow ICMP unless listed in their allowed routing table. As for it being down, the physical DNS resolves just fine, the pages themselves might be down but it looks like they tried to change their Apache web server as well as PHP 2 days ago and again today.

on the 26th: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/4.1.1 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
on the 28th: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a PHP/4.3.1
Still hosted at PLANET.COM but IP changed to 69.56.175.234
Of course, that could just be load balance or virtual machine/round-robin/domain sub for IP address.

It is pretty easy to check any web site using http://www.netcraft.com. It doesn't give a complete breakdown, but it will at least resolve names and simple HTTP GET commands. So as of right now, http://www.hardocp.com is UP in terms of having a web server respond on standard port 80 - just not the complete web pages that everyone expects :D

Unfortunately, there are many ways to mess up... I've seen too many of them. However, it is unusual since they could have simply rolled back to a backup machine/state.

[FrgMstr]

To quote Mia from Pulp Fiction concerning rumors about her and Tony Rokahara .

"But when you scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle."

First off, we are moving to VBulletin3 on our forums. The database import alone took over 56 hours to complete on a dual 2800+ box with 4GB of ram and three striped RAID arrays (OS, Index, Data). Then we went to re-index the search database yesterday via the web interface with VB3. For some reason, we are still 100% unsure of, this caused the outages you saw on HardOCP. It looks as though one of our switches was flooded with data.

So the outage was nothing more than a VB install learning curve problem.

[Cowboy X]

I hope that clears up this rumour .

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by FrgMstr
To quote Mia from Pulp Fiction concerning rumors about her and Tony Rokahara .

"But when you scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle."

First off, we are moving to VBulletin3 on our forums. The database import alone took over 56 hours to complete on a dual 2800+ box with 4GB of ram and three striped RAID arrays (OS, Index, Data). Then we went to re-index the search database yesterday via the web interface with VB3. For some reason, we are still 100% unsure of, this caused the outages you saw on HardOCP. It looks as though one of our switches was flooded with data.

So the outage was nothing more than a VB install learning curve problem.

I think it was plain that most people here assumed that you had trouble with the move in some way. We can't control how threads get started, but we were for the most part saying that it was a VB3 move problem and no conspiracy theory.

Thanks for the update anyways, its always nice to have suspicions confirmed. I hope your sewing circle gets back up soon, I'm sure all of your scamps miss it quite a bit. :)

[Kendan]

Thanks for the update kyle. I still have a question though. Why are you on day 4?

[FrgMstr]

Originally posted by Kendan
Thanks for the update kyle. I still have a question though. Why are you on day 4?

Actually if you count from the moment we started till now, we are on day 7.

If you read above, you will see that the importation of the database took over 50 hours. There was also a lot of other house keeping we wanted to do before that process was started. Once the import was completed, we started the re-index procedure within 24 hours. (Sorry we were not right on top of it the moment it finished, but quite frankly, the forum is not top priority and there are more than a few other things going on now that require our attention.) The re-index procedure ran for over 10 hours before we saw the problems with HardOCP.com and it was not evident to us that VB3 was the issue. Our forums are on a dedicated database server so we did not think there would be significant impact to HardOCP.com.

Are there any other questions I can answer for you?

[JigPu]

Originally posted by IMOG
Jigpu, not sure on your meaning with how you worded that, but just wanted to mention that a VB3 final release is out...
lol, I had no idea the official VB3 release had finally come out! I assumed it was still in beta or RC or whatever it's been in for the past forever.

JigPu

[I.M.O.G.]

Originally posted by JigPu

lol, I had no idea the official VB3 release had finally come out! I assumed it was still in beta or RC or whatever it's been in for the past forever.

JigPu

I had surrendered to that belief also as it seems like we started talking about vB3 over a year ago, until I saw someone post with linkage in forum feedback a week or so back.

[conscript]

Originally posted by FrgMstr


Are there any other questions I can answer for you?


any hint when you think the forum will be working?

[@md0Cer]

Ah thanks for the info Kyle. I was thinking of PMing you here, but last time I tried it said you were unable to receive PM's.

Anyways, good thing, becuase I really really doubted ATi shut them down.

[Overclocker550]

wont that be funny once hardOCP comes back online the day after ati's NDA expires

[conscript]

I retract my previous post. I think there's more to this than meets the eye. A week+ is an inexplicably long time to be down for an upgrade, despite the reasoning given in this thread. Maybe they are under some kind of injunction?... at least thats what my sewing circle thinks...:rolleyes:

edited

[corrosion231]

My forum with only 200 users took about 6 hours to fully upgrade and reindex

[I.M.O.G.]

house keeping = (deleting certain posts/threads + rewording certain statements)^((reposting certain pictures)/(rebreaking the search function))

This could take a lot of time, its hard to estimate just how much material, erm, I mean time, house keeping can consume.

Originally posted by corrosion231
My forum with only 200 users took about 6 hours to fully upgrade and reindex

On what hardware and with what experience? I wonder how it compares to [H].

[corrosion231]

Processors 4
Model Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
Chip MHz 2794.96
Cache Size 512 KB
System Bogomips 23907.52
PCI Devices PCI device 8086:24d1 (Intel Corp.)
ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL
PCI device 8086:1013 (Intel Corp.)
PCI device 8086:1013 (Intel Corp.)
IDE Devices hda: ST3120026AS (Capacity: 111.79 GB)
hdb: ST3120026AS (Capacity: 111.79 GB)
hdc: SR244


So I want some of what he is smoking saying its taking 7 days.



yeah yeah yeah i know ide in a server, screw it we arent that large so we dont care, the rest was donated by a member

[Evnas]

*edited to take out quote*

You may want to edit that...though Kyle is the owner of a "competing" website, and you may not agree with him, he is still a member of this forum and that is a personal insult (and an unfounded one at that), which arent allowed on the boards

[macklin01]

That is an excellent point. Remember that Kyle is also a member of these forums, meaning that flame rules apply ...

-- Paul

[conscript]

Originally posted by Evnas


You may want to edit that...though Kyle is the owner of a "competing" website, and you may not agree with him, he is still a member of this forum and that is a personal insult (and an unfounded one at that), which arent allowed on the boards

fair enough nosy noserson, but you quoting it doesn't help...:rolleyes:

[Mr.Guvernment]

If information of any new ati card leaked out many people on the net would of had it by now and could posted it on their own sites - since they did not sign any NDA agreement, this is very possible.

either way - until someone gets official word from ATI about this - it is all rumour and useless specualtion.

[Mr.Guvernment]

forum upgrade - u have seen how many threads they have!

they need to clean out the forums - no wonder things got messed - in their vid card they bave 600 + pages!!!


they need to clean things out more to keep it fast.

[I.M.O.G.]

I hope we don't have any problems... Our upgrade is estimated to take around 6 hours, barring any similar complications. It is likely to come in the next week or two I believe, so people might want to keep a forum contact in mind incase there are questions if the site is down longer. I can be contacted on AIM if anyone wants to add me to their buddy list.

Who exactly will be doing the dirty work for us, do you know Paul? I know/think Inet will atleast pay for vB3 license, but who actually implements the changes? N_D appears as the most active admin, so I would guess he may be the go-to guy on the forum side, but do we do it or does it happen on the Inet side? Will Skip be around to help out?

I realize these may all be questions that are unanswered yet, but I'm just curious.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by conscript


fair enough nosy noserson, but you quoting it doesn't help...:rolleyes:

Not being nosy...letting you know helpfully so you dont end up being banned for something...thats all

[wannaoc]

LOL was this an interested read or what!
I am sure glad that it got "cleared up" by [H] though. :rolleyes: I can see them taking a while to clean all that crap since majority of the threads over there are. But over a week? I do hope it is they are rewriting some of the guidelines and statements though. With all those members that could be a really powerful place for help and info but without moderation it is almost useless imo.

On a side note I really hope we don't upgrade to the new version. It seems all jumpled up and confused on the forums I've seen it on so far.

Shouldn't this thread be in general discussion though?

[Kendan]

Originally posted by Mr.Guvernment
forum upgrade - u have seen how many threads they have!

they need to clean out the forums - no wonder things got messed - in their vid card they bave 600 + pages!!!


they need to clean things out more to keep it fast.


lol



They have been down for over a week. Doesn't that make you think that they messed something up beyond just some minor error.

[conscript]

Originally posted by Evnas


Not being nosy...letting you know helpfully so you dont end up being banned for something...thats all

thanks, but I've been here a bit longer than you, and aware of the rules. Just had a momentary lapse fo judgement. ;)

[Mr.Guvernment]

ignore.

[Mr.Guvernment]

Originally posted by Kendan



lol



They have been down for over a week. Doesn't that make you think that they messed something up beyond just some minor error.

oh they definelty goofed on something! i agree - as i said with all the posts they have , no wonder something was likely to go wrong.


poor them really :(


Good thing VB did not stick with their plan that people who wanted to upgrade to VB had to have VB do it for them!

[NuclearGOD]

Well, I've been gone for awhile--on vactation:cool:

Anyways, I can't believe people are still doubting that this is the case. It seems to me that [H]ardOCP is like the class bully--they appear to be all mean and tough, but are really just pushovers. Numerous posts say that they would tell their followers the truth, but I don't think that they would do that. They seem to only pick on other people, like Infinium(sp?)--even though that was obviously a scam.

I e-mailed and called an ATI office yesterday. No reply on email, but on the phone, i learned that ATI could put an injunction on review media (newspapers, websites, etc.) if they violated their agreements with the company. Of course, she couldnt talk about unreleased products or specific reviewers. Interesting.

I can't wait until ATI's NDA is up so we can finally see how good the r420 is going to be, but what is going to be even better is watching the reopening of [H]ardocp's forum, since they have "finished upgrading". What a conincidence!
'

[wannaoc]

I agree they, or any site/company of the type for that matter would admit if something like that was going on. I wouldn't and I don't expect it of any.

Does anyone know when the NDA is ending btw?

[NuclearGOD]

The NDA for the x800/[H]ardOCP forum opening again ends tonight (Monday) at midnight, if im not mistaken.

[Kendan]

Originally posted by Mr.Guvernment


oh they definelty goofed on something! i agree - as i said with all the posts they have , no wonder something was likely to go wrong.


poor them really :(


Good thing VB did not stick with their plan that people who wanted to upgrade to VB had to have VB do it for them!

What are you talking about? What exactly makes [H] forums different from any other VB install except maybe size of DB? Nothing was more likely to go wrong with there upgrade than almost any other. I stand by my statement that they messed something up bad. Or maybe in some weird and mysterious way the rumour is true and they were shut down by ATI:p (I am joking about the ATI thing;) )

[NuclearGOD]

Ive just been informed by ATI that I am no longer able to comment on this situation, and I must withdrawn my previous comments. All of the above is pure speculation and I have no real information on the subject. Sorry for spreading rumors around and sorry for wasting peoples time. Good Bye.

[UnLoadeD]

Oh man! This thread takes the cake. I guess I'll add to the speculation. It's Tues am and I can't get to www.hardocp.com, couldn't get it to open last night before work either. I did a dns in mirc and got this:
/dns www.hardocp.com
*** Looking up www.hardocp.com
*** Resolved www.hardocp.com to 69.56.175.234
So, when I put http://69.56.175.234 in my browser, something really strange comes up:

New Home in Frisco, Texas

Click Here For Interior Shots

Click Here For Exterior Shots

I clicked on the links, and checked out the pics 8)

Maybe Kyle bought a new house and is busy finalizing/moving...he did say in one of his first posts that there were more pressing things going on atm than the forums.

And for you Conspiracy Theory guys:
Maybe ATI bought him that house for a good review of their card?
8P~~

peace.
unloaded

[I.M.O.G.]

They ping fine, and I didn't get any wierd results like yours... Just no pages.

[TruckyJ]

UnLoadeD,

Your avitar totally creeps me out. :D (unrelated but I couldn't resist)

In any case, the R420 is out for preview/review now...and it looks pretty darn nice. I never really bought into the conspiracy theory thing...bleh.

[Pinky]

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjEx

here's the [h]ard[h]ead's review :rolleyes:

[I.M.O.G.]

2 hours ago their site was down... Going to read now.

When you go to the forums now... They spell forum wrong - "The forms are down." :rolleyes:

[Crash893]

is there a way to make to stay down?

[Kendan]

I think they are doing as good a job of keeping them down as anyone...lol

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by IMOG
2 hours ago their site was down... Going to read now.

When you go to the forums now... They spell forum wrong - "The forms are down." :rolleyes:

Go team Literacy.

[I.M.O.G.]

Hah, dunno but I have got some errors from their pages also since then, so either they are getting hammered now or there are still problems.

[Kendan]

The regular site is getting hammered with the ATI review. The forums are still down. What does that make it 9 days or more?

[I.M.O.G.]

What does that make it? I'd call it a total loss and I bet Kyle is about to also... That's gotta be one hell of a frustrating problem they are having.

[Voodoo Rufus]

That's no good. That's a huge forum. A lot of unhappy posters too.

I hope they get it back up sometime, without a loss of data.

[conscript]

an update on the main page to all the loyal forum members would be nice, don't ya think?

[I.M.O.G.]

Maybe they were trying to keep it quiet... Ya know, hope nobody noticed.

On a related note, If this were OCForums down for 9 days, I think I would personally go to Inet and slit my wrists, refusing medical treatment until the forum was up and running, while bleeding all over their rugs. :eh?:

[tom10167]

You're a real Ghandi man. :D

[Voodoo Rufus]

OC Forums down for 9 days, I'd get violent......I cannot imagine.

Maybe I'd get some more exercise......naaaah. :p

[Pinky]

Originally posted by Voodoo Rufus
OC Forums down for 9 days, I'd get violent......I cannot imagine.

Maybe I'd get some more exercise......naaaah. :p

I'd probably end up begging Daniel to reinstate my AOA account...

Okay, maybe not :p [think I'd rather join IMOGhandi in the blood spilling ritual]

www.truextreme.com anyone? :D

[Kendan]

You mean www.xtremeresources.com

[Pinky]

Huh? Now I'm confused...

[Voodoo Rufus]

Same site, one forwards to the main one.

[macklin01]

Originally posted by IMOG
I hope we don't have any problems... Our upgrade is estimated to take around 6 hours, barring any similar complications. It is likely to come in the next week or two I believe, so people might want to keep a forum contact in mind incase there are questions if the site is down longer. I can be contacted on AIM if anyone wants to add me to their buddy list.

Who exactly will be doing the dirty work for us, do you know Paul? I know/think Inet will atleast pay for vB3 license, but who actually implements the changes? N_D appears as the most active admin, so I would guess he may be the go-to guy on the forum side, but do we do it or does it happen on the Inet side? Will Skip be around to help out?

I realize these may all be questions that are unanswered yet, but I'm just curious.

Sorry, I forgot to answer this one.

I'm not really sure about the timing of VB3, but I do know that it's in the works. Last I heard, they were double-checking currently-installed hacks and what would need to be redone. I don't really know more that this at the moment, other than that it is in our future. -- Paul

[I.M.O.G.]

Thats cool... I assumed things were going to start moving on it within the next couple weeks because of something Gabe had said.

I was really wondering more about who actually does the work required, do you know the answer to that one?

Thanks Paul.

[TruckyJ]

Don't mean to interject folly, but could you clarify what VB3 is for those of us who aren't in the know? I'm assuming its better code for forums...visual basic 3? Thats my out-of-the-blue guess anyways. I'm obviously not a programmer, so I'll quit making a clown out of myself.

Just curious, thanks.

[conscript]

Originally posted by TruckyJ
Don't mean to interject folly, but could you clarify what VB3 is for those of us who aren't in the know? I'm assuming its better code for forums...visual basic 3? Thats my out-of-the-blue guess anyways.

Just curious, thanks.

I think it's virtual bulletin, but I may be wrong on the virtual part. I always call it vBulletin, never really thought what the "v" stood for and just assumed "virtual". ;)

[corrosion231]

Originally posted by macklin01


Sorry, I forgot to answer this one.

I'm not really sure about the timing of VB3, but I do know that it's in the works. Last I heard, they were double-checking currently-installed hacks and what would need to be redone. I don't really know more that this at the moment, other than that it is in our future. -- Paul

my forum has about 30 hacks, and except for a couple they all worked right off. Some are really being retarded and just wont work, but for the most part vbull3 works great.

[I.M.O.G.]

vBulletin stands for vBulletion... According to Jelsoft staff, "the v has no meaning", but others usually suspect it means virtual or visual.

Others suspect that since vB was originally developed for a Visual Basic website, it was a play on words so to speak, using the same initials and probably means visual bulletin. I personally think the Jelsoft answer means that it was copying from Visual basic's "VB" - if the "v" had no meaning at all, then why put it there? Maybe they didn't mean anything by it, but I think the "v" got there to copy from VB... It has been said by John Percival (trasnlated UBB (Ultimate Bulletin Board) software into PHP and sold it as vB) that the vB and VB is not coincidence - so there is a relation there.

Go here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73275) to read semi-current staff comment and read the last post especially. I think there is probably motive for the developers to disclaim any association with VB perhaps for copyright/trademark reasons or something along those lines.

Regardless of the true meaning of the word, vBulletin is the software the forums run on - its a "visual source" application, so when you buy a license you can look at and modify the source code. It comes with an Admin Control Panel, a Moderator Control Panel, a User Control Panel, as well as a backend database coded in MySQL, among other things I haven't included.

Our particular version, has been heavily modified by Skip. A lot of it is stuff he custom coded - the stars are one example, because the star hack didn't work right for us. The thread hover preview is either a hack or custom coded, as well as the quick reply box amongst many other not as obvious to the uninformed changes. I'm fairly certain Skip wasn't the only one to do work on the code however, I suspect that Newbie_Doo has also changed some things around in there.

I hope the code has been commented sufficiently though... It sure would be a pain trying to confirm which hacks need to be reimplemented without having the code properly commented.

[Kendan]

Well still down:eek:


lol


I think they screwed it up worse than even I thought...

[Voodoo Rufus]

Yeah, I noticed. I guess that makes OC Forums the largest hardware forum on the net now? :D

[Cowboy X]

W00R !! :D

[I.M.O.G.]

I've heard it referenced in a lot of threads, but hadn't checked it out myself. Wow.

Perhaps they should see a doctor... He could probably give them a little blue pill that could help them get it up again. ;)

[conscript]

kind of scary when [many people are making hardware buying decisions using their data and opinions], and they can't get a bulletin board up in a months time...:rolleyes:

[bobmanfoo]

sorry...... sticklers

[Voodoo Rufus]

Bobmanfoo, if you know what's good for you please realize that's a dead issue and off topic from the thread title.

[Kendan]

Originally posted by bobmanfoo


ROFLMAO:p
lol, the ti4200 is comparable to the 8500s.... just accept that your beast of a video card HAD its days and is now obsolete

Your ti4200 pipedream's demise (http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gf4ti4200/gf4.htm)

And what does your comment have to do with what you quoted? Absolutely nothing. As far as I can tell you are trying to get him to respond and start a little war of opinions. Please do it in PM's as it distracts from the forum in such a way that you would look really bad for doing it.

[macklin01]

Well, it's clear that the premise of this thread was false, and there's no point in continuing it. -- Paul