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For those of you that play counter-strike a new update was realeased today which pretty much screwed over the whole gameplay and awp at that below is a list of what was changed. Reason I am posting this is because if you do not agree/approve of the update please go to this web http://www.PetitionOnline.com/giveawp/ and sign for support towards changing the game back to how it used to be. Here is a list of the changed stuff.
Cannot zoom while jumping,moving,etc
Cannot quick scope
All sights for guns are bigger especially when using cl_dynamiccrosshair 0
Various other things
Please help bring our game back to normal. Thanks. Post all opinions here but please nothing like "the awp is noob" because all good players or people that know what theyre talking about will prove to you that is not right.
Originally posted by creepy
For those of you that play counter-strike a new update was realeased today which pretty much screwed over the whole gameplay and awp at that below is a list of what was changed. Reason I am posting this is because if you do not agree/approve of the update please go to this web http://www.PetitionOnline.com/giveawp/ and sign for support towards the game. Here is a list of the changed stuff.
Cannot zoom while jumping,moving,etc
Cannot quick scope
All sights for guns are bigger especially when using cl_dynamiccrosshair 0
Various other things
Please help bring our game back to normal. Thanks. Post all opinions here but please nothing like "the awp is noob" etc because all good players or people that know what theyre talking about will prove to you that is not right.
HAHAHA, so they are actually going to make the game more realistic? WOW, shouldn't this be something to celebrate? Just because they want to make the game more realistic doesn't mean you should complain, let it grow on you IMHO, meh.
Umm...isnt that why its called a game....It doesnt exactly have to be totally realistic. Look at pacman...Call that realistic?
what is quick scoping? and hmm if its still a one hit kill basically idk if im going to sign or not, it is pretty annoying when everyone is awping and the game is basically impossible to play
Awp isnt one hit one kill. Waist or below it takes apprx 80dmg. As for quick scoping what you do (only works good if you have a low ping) is press your button to zoom and then as soon as you press it press the button to shoot and itll shoot accuratley w/o being zoomed all the way.
Originally posted by creepy
Umm...isnt that why its called a game....It doesnt exactly have to be totally realistic. Look at pacman...Call that realistic?
Pacman is realistic. I guess you didn't see Club Dread. :)
I'm glad they took off the jump and zooming. Its going to make the awpmap a lot more intresting.
Should have known not to post here....90% of you are just people that go pub for 30 minutes a day and then move on to the next hippie game.
termin@tor
04-28-04, 11:49 PM
Dude, I've been a vet for 3 years... even more
I stopped playing for a while cuz of UT2k4 and K0T0R and other games, but damn, is this true?
I don't feel like going on Steam right now cuz I haven't updated it in weeks. But if what you're saying is true, they completely ****ed up the game! AWP was the most powerful gun and if you can't move or quick scope... jesus, why don't they completely remove it?
Ahhh... the good old days of counter strike betas up until 1.3 when they removed bunny hopping. I know it might get g@y and a lot of hacking might occur, but... just
Valve keeps ****ing this game up more and more with every single update.
Is steam still updated every wednesday?
Can't they just give it a rest and let us play the ****ing game?!
Yea i just played and it's incredibly hard to awp. You have to press right click like twice real fast or a million times or something to zoom. It's really a pain.
termin@tor
04-28-04, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Tatuya
HAHAHA, so they are actually going to make the game more realistic? WOW, shouldn't this be something to celebrate? Just because they want to make the game more realistic doesn't mean you should complain, let it grow on you IMHO, meh.
dude, play the game and see what it's like
Nobody cares if it's realistic. If you have actually played it, you would know why this update is horrible
ashenfang
04-29-04, 12:27 AM
I have played CS since its beta, AWP change that they have implemented is a GOOD thing. Some of the crazy things people could do with the AWP was insane, not so much skill as it was working the system. Now the gun is more realistic, and not just a one shot hand cannon with fast reloading time, with the ability to jump and scope at the same time.
whooping_a_panda
04-29-04, 01:22 AM
i agree ive played since beta and im very glad of the changes to the awp, its about time.
Did they do this to all the zommable rifles or just the awp, cause frankly I would prefer it to be added to all zoomable rifles. The awp is the most powerfull rifle and still is, it just cant be used like a pistol anymore thus making it balanced.
*edit* i reread the first post and am now smiling happily :)
Zymosis
04-29-04, 01:56 AM
As I don't play with the AWM/P, I don't care.
But for those who does, sad for you.
Nothing beats having a good AWP player on your team :)
Having every map with a corridor turn into an awp map is annoying. At least you can't zoom and jump now. Stand still! =)
Originally posted by termin@tor
dude, play the game and see what it's like
Nobody cares if it's realistic. If you have actually played it, you would know why this update is horrible
ya those who play counterstrike don't go for realism... if you want realism go play AA or something where you can bleed to death after like one hit:rolleyes: even tho i play aa myself:eek:
DaveSauce
04-29-04, 10:02 AM
yea, i haven't played the new update yet....
but when, in recent history, has valve made any changes for the better?
exactly. they haven't. They keep messing things up.....I don't know what's wrong with them.
Oh yea, and the awp needs a lot of fixing. If you can't kill someone in 1 awp shot (before the alleged changes), then you need to seriously reconsider some things. I've only been playing since beta 7.0, but that's a helluva lot longer than most of the people on nowadays. Frankly, if you need more than 1 shot to AWP someone, you don't deserve to have an opinion on the issue.
And honestly people, if they were going for realism, then 1 shot from any weapon would drop you (not kill, but put you out of comission pretty fast). If you get hit in the kevlar, I guarantee you won't be in any condition to return fire for at least a minute. If you get hit in the arm or leg with a glock, you're not going anywhere. So then why does AWP get to be the god-like "realistic" weapon, and everything else is a freakin airsoft gun in comparison?
germanjulian
04-29-04, 10:20 AM
awp lamers....
ak47 is just as accurate... all you need is skills... and a good anti-strafing (sidewalking) skill and you can make just headies. depening on your setup and if the other player is moving from left to right hit behind him slight to get a headshoot.
ie when he moves from the right to the left shoot a little to the right of his head to give him a headshoot, this is due to bad network code which has never been fixed EXCEPT in condition zero.
low skill medium skill high skill. I am medium skill nearly. low medium is more me. and when I play again high skill I loose about 20 to 0.
when I play on a normal public server I ownage about 20 kills between the second player.
I was amazed ones I joined a clan and learned to play proper, especially against germans swedish and norway people. cause all other countries are pretty crap. especially england and france :)
Thank you...those of you that actually know what youre talking about
devilscow22
04-29-04, 04:47 PM
i agree with all of yours points and i am going to sign this... i think the last update made the game horrible. With this update they changed too many things that have a large role in the game making people that have played for years and devoloped skills have to change the way that they play. i believe that steam made this update to help newer people out more so it didnt take as long to master the game but i think that is one of the great things about cs, you can always get better. this was my favorite game since i started getting into gaming.
Just fyi for all you awp haters. In my personal opinion I love the gun. In scrims and matches thats all I mainly use if money permits as well as my spot. ALTHOUGH this IS NOT the main reason I posted this. The main reason that I posted this is because not only did these updates change the awp they changed the whole gameplay in general, because not only was the awp changed just about all guns were changed in some way (sight,etc) but I still HIGHLY disagree with the updates other than one. The ability to have a "solid" radar.
9mmCensor
04-29-04, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by termin@tor
Valve keeps ****ing this game up more and more with every single update.
From what I gather, idiots ruined the game. Valve seems to be making it more realistic.
Love it or go home.
devilscow22
04-29-04, 04:59 PM
the whole point of cs was the way it was, valve would be better off making a new game and i will not "love it or go home" they should not **** up a game that badly that millions of people liked
the least they could do would make the updates a whole different thing, like 1.5 and 1.6 at least then people could still play the old versions
This type of thing happens every time Valve releases a patch for CS. All people do about the new patch is complain. I remember people complaining about 1.3 to 1.4, 1.4 to 1.5 ad nausium :rolleyes:
Creepy, please tone down the elitest attitude a bit. So what if some people only play on pubs for 30 minutes a day? Why does it matter? Games are for having fun, right? If I can have my fill of fun on an all de_dust pub in 30 minutes, that's alright.
If you don't like the latest patch, don't use it. Simple as that.
9mmCensor its called a G-A-M-E because it is meant to be played how it was made. If you want something realisic go play AA or BF as someone mentioned above. This game is not meant for realism its meant for seriousness (for some of us) and fun for the other portion. And for people like you its just meant so you can be there to say "make it more realistic".
This type of thing happens every time Valve releases a patch for CS. All people do about the new patch is complain. I remember people complaining about 1.3 to 1.4, 1.4 to 1.5 ad nausium
To my knowledge 1.3-1.4 changes were required to fix bugs such as the slow jumping etc to prevent bunny hopping which personally I had NO problem with due to the fact that it was NEEDED to fix something. Changing the sights and the awp is not necessary. They are simply doing it because they intend to change gameplay not fix bugs. And as for 1.4-1.5 :laugh: 1.4-1.5 was nothing but a simple update that changed just about nothing so no one complained about that.
devilscow22
04-29-04, 05:06 PM
also something i jsut thought of... what about all the people in cal-X it will ruin everything they have practiced for...
9mmCensor
04-29-04, 05:08 PM
Woo, sorry for nay saying your beloved game...
I am just commenting on the fact that Valve is making it more realistic, I didn't say "Yeah, Valve is making the game more realistic, because it was a phony peice of immpossible dung before, oh and hehe they ****ed off a buch of kiddies." (Those are not my opinions, but what you are making mine out to be.)
Originally posted by creepy
9mmCensor its called a G-A-M-E because it is meant to be played how it was made.
Duh, but there is a thing called evolution and improvement. If you played CS "how it was made" originally you would be begging for improvements as orriginally it wasn't great because it was filled with bugs.
BLEH!
devilscow22
04-29-04, 05:10 PM
this isent fixing bugs... it is changeing the whole thing
UnseenMenace
04-29-04, 05:18 PM
People all have different opinions regarding what makes a good game. Happily for us game companys try to please us all... Games evolve and change, some people believe this makes the game Better other do not.....
Different games suit different people, If you can't play well with others, try solitare.
How about having some respect for the opinions in this thread please, not everything is an personal attack- Please ensure that the mods do not have to play !!
ninthebin
04-29-04, 05:37 PM
tbh, I used to think similar playing mods "omg they are changing this" "omg they are changing that" some changes can be hard to get used to (especially if they change something you play with all the time)
but after several reading sessions in the steam forums, which are the most unhelpful set of forums I have ever come across, I have just come to think a bit differently...
I am playing somebody elses mod - what they want to do with it, or where they see it going is upto them...not me - sure mods have feedback and larger mods would be best to listen to their communinties more...but they obviously feel something needed addressing here and they have done something about it and tbh I am a day of defeat player and I would like to see the not moving part of that done on our snipers (they are getting a nice kick up the backside with pistol rolling next update :) )
Also, I personally have never seen those online petition work. They mainly act as a way to vent out fustration, but being useful, it remains doubtful in my mind.
Originally posted by klath
Also, I personally have never seen those online petition work. They mainly act as a way to vent out fustration, but being useful, it remains doubtful in my mind.
They actually aren't useful, due to the anonymity the internet provides. I could sign that petition a dozen times myself.
If you want to do a petition, pen and paper are still the only way to do it effectively.
Update: I have also heard rumors that you can no longer shoot through boxes,walls,etc. That there alone takes away a whole main portion of game play within this game.
9mmCensor
04-29-04, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by creepy
Update: I have also heard rumors that you can no longer shoot through boxes,walls,etc. That there alone takes away a whole main portion of game play within this game.
You cant honestly be complaining about them FIXING exploits, because thats what that its, shooting through walls.
9mmCensor
04-29-04, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Oni
They actually aren't useful, due to the anonymity the internet provides. I could sign that petition a dozen times myself.
If you want to do a petition, pen and paper are still the only way to do it effectively.
Yeah but for a pen and paper petition I can sign myslef and all my friends and family weather they agree with it or not, up so it doesn't really fix that problem
LoL obviously you havent played for very long. Shooting through walls,spamming,etc is a part of the game its self but it turns out it was a rumor so ive heard. So I guess it sucks for people like you that want a strictly realistic game. Guess you gotta stick w/ BF or AA for now my friend.
Hmm, I don't know about shooting through walls, but through boxes and doors are legit strategies, just need to keep aware of your surroundings.
donno if shooting through walls = legit? go play dust2 run into the tunnels from t spawn if you keeping going straight and shoot right where you will run into the wall (dont run into it just a reference) you will shoot guys that are camping in way we call the "gay spot".....legit or not legit? its your
DaveSauce
04-29-04, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by creepy
Update: I have also heard rumors that you can no longer shoot through boxes,walls,etc. That there alone takes away a whole main portion of game play within this game.
OK now THAT'S just rediculous.
Have you even played the game recently?? You're overreacting. I haven't used the AWP or scout recently, but everything else is just fine. I have no clue what you're complaining about.
Hence rumor??? aka something that goes around and might not be true. Yes I have played today. 5 Scrims to be exact. So go back to playing AA and BF now.
Heh, no need to flame or get rowdy. CS has a large community with lots of differing opinions.
Not in a smart@§§ way but you guys may be flaming/arguing and so on. Im just tryin to get my opinion(s) across and if you are flaming me....Sure go ahead i dont care.
PhoenixMDM
04-29-04, 10:35 PM
Shooting through doors and small boxes = realistic for bigger guns.
Making a massive sniper rifle have the potency of a BB gun = far from realistic.
I've played CS for years, my favorite game to play at LANs. Until steam came along, because then the powerful guns were pathetic, the normal guns were worse, and the pistols were less effective than throwing rocks. I could understand claiming realism if they kept the AWP the same but strengthened everything else. Of course, making it so every gun kills in one body shot kinda takes away from the game, eliminates the incentive to buy better stuff than a glock.
/me misses the good stuff....
DaveSauce
04-29-04, 11:44 PM
yea, so the only thing I noticed in an hour of playing was the bigger crosshairs. Nothing else. I used scout and awp....I noticed absolutely nothing different about them.
Hence rumor??? aka something that goes around and might not be true. Yes I have played today. 5 Scrims to be exact. So go back to playing AA and BF now.
don't you think you could have checked this for yourself instead of using it as fuel for your cause? I thought you said you played today....
lol, so you want to petition to make the game more UNrealistic? it was lame how people could snipe while jumping anyways... so imo nice change (although i couldn't care less for cs now)
creepy: Heres an idea. Step back, be quiet, and read over all your posts... The eleitist attitude has to go. CS is ovbiously your life and when they fix an exploit that you use often in your play, it surley upsets you.
Just so you know, those online peititons DONT work.
This is not your mod and not your game. Live with the changes or dont play cs, its that simple.
Go make your own cs'like mod if you dont like what valve is doing with it.
Id love to see how jumping while zoomed in with the scope is not an exploit, or zooming in halfway with the scope to get the accuracy of the scope isnt an exploit as well.
Dont throw that crap at me that I dont play cs. Granted its not my life like some of you people but I play a couple maps a week. Mostly cause friends need some target pratice, lol
Oni is right. Every single patch that comes out for cs its "bitch bitch bitch" from all the cs'ers. They cant get it through their skulls that this isnt their game and their voice doesnt really matter, espically when it comes across as whiny with an eleitist attitude.
Zooming while in the air is not necessarily an exploit. Please explain to me how it is. As well as huge sights. Its not so much as the awp that bugs me its these huge ass sights.
They work in the sense that by the time you filled one out and you posted everywhere trying to get people to sign, you realize it's pretty pointless and most likely you were over whatever you made you mad enough to create a petition. :D
DaveSauce
04-30-04, 09:59 AM
I have to disagree with you BigRed.
While I don't like the fact that all the CS players constantly complain with every new patch (I've complained about a few of them myself), this is not valve's property. This mod belongs to the community. And as such, it is our job to tell valve/cs team what they're doing right, and what they're doing wrong. Granted, people don't go about it in the most intellegent or mature ways, but the community manages to get their feelings across.
With that said, I personally don't like the direction valve is going with CS or any of their products. But, I still play CS because I like playing.
Originally posted by DaveSauce
I have to disagree with you BigRed.
While I don't like the fact that all the CS players constantly complain with every new patch (I've complained about a few of them myself), this is not valve's property. This mod belongs to the community. And as such, it is our job to tell valve/cs team what they're doing right, and what they're doing wrong. Granted, people don't go about it in the most intellegent or mature ways, but the community manages to get their feelings across.
With that said, I personally don't like the direction valve is going with CS or any of their products. But, I still play CS because I like playing.
Hmmm...
Found this at the bottom of counter-strike.net
© 2004 Valve Corporation. All rights reserved. Counter-Strike, the Counter-Strike logo, Valve, the Valve logo,
Steam, the Steam logo, and Half-Life are trademarks or registered trademarks of Valve Corporation.
Sure looks like it belongs to valve to me ;)
Creepy, you keep saying that we should go back to play AA and BF like it's some sort of insult.
CS is just a game. You happen to like it . . . an awful lot. That's ok, I'm not saying you shouldn't. But would you please stop for a minute, and look back over some of your posts. Most of them come off as outwardly hostile towards people who don't care much for CS, or who don't really care about the changes made in the latest patch.
Just take a breath. Step back for a minute. Not everybody likes CS as much as you do, and that's alright, too.
Does the people who made CS still update it or does Valve influence that now?
n00bular
04-30-04, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by creepy
Zooming while in the air is not necessarily an exploit. Please explain to me how it is. As well as huge sights. Its not so much as the awp that bugs me its these huge ass sights.
Show me someone in real life jumping with a sniper rifle and zooming in mid air then landing and shooting a "bullseye" target.. Its not realistic. As for sights, in real life you won't have a green crosshair for you to see where your first few bullets land. Anyway, I don't even use my crosshair after the first 5 bullets because its not accurate enought to use.
I've played CS competitively for a while now, but I've quit for the past year (forced to with the comming of steam :\ ) Anyway, I seriously doubt these petitions will work. There was one when 1.4 first came out to revert back to 1.3 so everyone can jump without losing speed and accuracy in midair was same as standing on the ground.
Additionally, there are a few problems with this company Valve/Steam. They seem to NOT listen to the community very well. For example, take the riot shield. This was implemented recently, and is still very buggy. They won't remove it. I know that CAL bans use of riot shield as well as several other leagues because of its "unrealistic" nature.
Heres my opinion: AWP, I used to use this gun like no other in scrims, matches, even pubs (if i ever play one). I realized that this gun was really stupid and obviously over powered. I leaned toward other weapons such as colt/ak47 instead of AWP. If you notice in other HL modifications, the sniper is crippled in similar ways. Take Day of Defeat for example. Sniper zoom has a delay and a "black out" time. If you take a look at 1.6, it has a LOT of changes from 1.5. Look at a recent update, with monetary updates. This is good for competitive play because it makes the game at a faster pace. I believe that with this "crippled" awp, it makes matches more fair. For example, when your team is on a so called "save" round, you don't want to have to be AWP'ed the entire team for the next 3 rounds. I think this update is well needed, just take some time getting used to it. There were plenty of changes from beta versions to the 1.x versions and people will gradually adapt.
devilscow22
04-30-04, 06:42 PM
i can understand the resin for changing the awp( i dont like it but i see the logic in it) by i dont understand why they changed the normal cross hairs, does anyone have an idea about this?
FarEast
04-30-04, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by creepy
Not in a smart@§§ way but you guys may be flaming/arguing and so on. Im just tryin to get my opinion(s) across and if you are flaming me....Sure go ahead i dont care.
Ok as a none CS player but a reader of these forums.... it seems to me that no one is flaming or arguing with you , they are just disagreeing with you. You have put your opinion across very well that you dislike the changes they have made but you don't seem to be able to understand that others might not feel the same way as you.
Word of advice as well stop trying to bypass the swear filter, it's there for a reason regardless of the situation. Alot of people here might do well to read this (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292876) post.
I think it's time this thread got closed down as it's not serving any real purpose apart from flame baiting.
Okay well i just got off of CS and realized that i don't use the AWP all that much, so this new thing is really good for me :D .
Anyways, it really turns the scout into a toy rather than a sniper rifle. Sure, you can use it, but the strength of the scout was your ability to be moving around a lot and still pull off good shots and you'll need to do it twice, or aimed in the head once, to get a kill. Now it's just crap.
My absolute biggest gripe is the gigantic crosshair. It's just so damned big. Seriously now, long range killing is a pain with anything but a sniper rifle because my crosshair practically engulfs the screen. Raising the resolution doesn't help either.
Meh.. this game was fine in 1.4.. when bunny-hopping was taken out. After that they're just patching for no reason now, it seems.
IMO, Valve needs to work on getting rid of hacks and exploits, instead of ruining the game for legitimate players. :rolleyes:
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Robrules18
04-30-04, 11:13 PM
I dont play CS much anymore so im not up on what everyones doing in it lately but it seems to me like AWP is a rampant issue, wth tons of people using it, maybe just maybe they nerfed it so people would braden their horizons and try the numerous other weapons in the game, I can't imaine having any fun in a game if you use the same weapon everytime and always use it like a sharpshooter on a pogostick.
devilscow22
05-01-04, 01:56 PM
for the people that ahte the awp theres always servers that has the awp banned... they dont have to ruin it for everyone and mess it all up.
devilscow22
05-01-04, 10:03 PM
WWW.CS13MOD.COM !!!!!!
n00bular
05-03-04, 10:45 PM
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
» Scaled crosshair based on 1024 * 768
» Tweaked weapon sounds
» New custom mission creation document (/manual/czmissiondoc.rtf)
» Updated headshot icon
Counter-Strike
» Scaled crosshair based on 1024 * 768
» Updated de_vertigo
» Updated headshot icon
All Steam Games
» Updated HLTV with sv_download
There you go, your answers to the crosshair problem. I guess they DO listen. I still think the AWP zoom is good, it prevents people from over using this weapon.
Voodoo Rufus
05-04-04, 12:46 AM
I'm not quite sure what they did to the awp. I fired up steam tonight for 2 minutes, bought the awp. and it's just as accurate but just can't zoom as fast, almost unnoticable.
The thing that irritates me the most is when guys jump, land and at the same time headshot me. I could almost swear that's hacking....but if that's gone I'm happy.
secretweapon
05-04-04, 12:49 AM
The only thing that bothers me are the new crosshairs. Takes a while to get used to them.
fuzzba11
05-04-04, 01:31 AM
Ha ha!
Haven't you CSer's realized by now? The developers will always patch the stupid game and make it suck all over again, so why don't you all just move on from CS? IMO the game began sucking shortly after beta 5...why can't the modders just give it a rest??
Voodoo Rufus
05-04-04, 01:39 AM
Because it's still fun for some of us. All the reason we need. Some of us adapt, others leave. No biggie.
illwillchill
05-05-04, 01:22 PM
The reason a game is patched is to:
-fix Technical Bugs
-add more contant
-fix exploits
-Bring Game Balance
(Balances that the developers hope will make the game better)
I find it suprising that the scope wasn't changed earlier especially for a game that is as old as cs. If you cant adapt to the changes either go find a WON server or find a new game.
Gregory_WE
05-05-04, 07:28 PM
hmm, still happily playing 1.5 here on the local internet cafe's server...
Originally posted by termin@tor
dude, play the game and see what it's like
Nobody cares if it's realistic. If you have actually played it, you would know why this update is horrible
I do play, and unlike some people who play the game I like challenges, having the same old thing gets too boring and is what makes me quit games.
Anyways, I like CS:CZ so far, awesome game...er expansion.
conscript
05-05-04, 07:46 PM
awp is for pu$$ies. be a real man and pick up a deagle....
Voodoo Rufus
05-05-04, 07:52 PM
Conscript, calm down a little k? Don't have to insult people who enjoy using the weapon.
Still, deagle: :attn:
conscript
05-05-04, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Voodoo Rufus
Conscript, calm down a little k? Don't have to insult people who enjoy using the weapon.
Still, deagle: :attn:
sorry, just said in jest. meant to include a :p
besides, there's probably a 10 to 1 ratio of the times an awp has taken me out while I'm prancing around with my deagle. I'd have a right to be a little bitter, no? :bang head
Voodoo Rufus
05-05-04, 09:38 PM
Yeah, :p helps a bit.
There are those sweet shots from 100+ yards in the head with a deagle. Those are nice.
Gregory_WE
05-06-04, 03:05 PM
I prefer the USP to the deagle, I'm pretty damn good with it. 1v1 I'll beat any other person with a pistol, and unless an AWPer gets lucky, I'll take them down easily, and I can even take down rifle-users the majority of the time (note: this isn't when matched up against someone who's really good, in which case, if I have a pistol vs a rifle I don't have the odds anymore). I have about 50-60% accuracy with the USP and I get quite a few HS's, so in 3 shots I can easily kill someone with 100 health.
topslop1
05-06-04, 04:18 PM
Even with a petition you'll have a tough time telling valve/steam to do things the way you want.
insecure^
05-06-04, 08:22 PM
Wow... i am in love with cs and play it all the time. Involved with a clan (cal-im) and play every day I can.
First of all, the nonsense of "not shooting through walls anymore" is not true. And if you thought that this was an exploit... well your wrong, that was part of the game, to be somewhat realistic.
Then theres the awp. Well if you play league, like cal, then you would know everyone awps. All the majorly skilled players (cal-i), awp all the time. I bet you many of them may want to retire because of this. The update does suck in my opinion. The game is not meant to be super realistic to the point of where you cant zoom that quickly. If this was such an exploit, why didint they fix it a long time ago? Exactly. And when you see the people who shoot you in the air with the awp, they arnt actually doing that. It is sort of an illusion. They learn to jump and right when they land, they shoot.
Cs isnt my life. I love the game, but I wouldnt skip out on something planned to go play it. And I know its an old game, but geeze, dont ridicule it and say its old and sucks now. Its addicting... and its not old for me.
Everyone has there opinions, and mine is that the update is bad, only because I am a league player.
Omnious
05-07-04, 05:42 AM
well since i have read all of the posts on this toppic i thought i should express my input :P
myself i dont like the changes made, i was boiled when it went to 1.6/steam but i have grown to like it and i prefer it with steam, as for thew new update i dont like it much either but i will adjust to it, i dont mind the larger scaled scope, but i do miss the quick scope , and the delay of scope feature i dont like much either, but i have adjusted and i just have my awp out more , i was in leagues cal-o (cal-nub :P) but i have just left that clan and i am being recruited to a im team, i am hapy they removed the head shot icon, that was very annoying,even thou it was funny, people would yell you got skulled, lol. nothing can be done about wanting it back, valve calls the shots and we can do nothing about it, my opinon why they changed it it to make the weapon harder to use so the newcomers will have a better chance of not getting awped,
good players will adjust, others will complain about it forever. time to move on and enjoy the game, any central clan recruting? :)
blackjackel
05-07-04, 06:05 AM
To: Valve Corporation
Valve, the entire cs community cannot begin to comprehend what you were thinking when you created the most recent counter-strike update. The awp was an extremely important aspect of the game, with this new update you might as well have removed it. Ever since you have released 1.6 you have only concentraited on making the game easier for begginers. You have taken WON from us an replaced it with this inferior steam do not take our AWP to.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
Ok, how many spelling/grammatical errors can you point out in the above paragraph? I can think of at least 10...
Shows the intelligence of the starter of this petition.
I cant say how long i have been waiting for this upate, finally they have taken care of the single most annoying aspect in counter-strike.
I myself have made plugins in the past that stopped awpers from quickscoping and zooming while jumping and stuff like that, i am so glad that they finally made it part of the game...
Maybe i will start playing counter-strike again.
Maybe i should start a petition for keeping the changes the way they are...
And you shouldnt talk about people being so noob about CS when you yourself dont realize how many annoying changes valve made to the game in the past, how effective the community has been in removing them, and how effective those online petition websites are.
insecure^
05-07-04, 10:03 PM
I dont think anyone was really calling anybody else noobs.
Yes I can adjust and I will. The thing is I used to hate the awp. I despised it, but now that I have started using it, I started loving it more and more and finally whenever I was killed with it, I wouldnt care.
But I finally started getting good with awp and now they take it away, thats what made me mad. I love cs, and I always will. Im not going to complain though because I know it wont do anything.
PerlAddict
05-07-04, 11:20 PM
creepy - totally agree. I've been playing since Beta 4 (and IMOH, Beta 5 and then Beta 6 were the two most fun games I have ever played .. nice balance of realism and gameplay, and nobody b**ching about hackers), and the game has just gone to pot since then. It used to be fun to run around and frag, and it took a whole lot more skill to use the AWP correctly. When we played on our own server just to goof around, myself and the other sniper on the team would get an awp, get on opposide ends of open maps, and take time learning how to properly strafe, side-step, shoot, and anticipate. Now if you want to shot it you have to be sitting still like a lame duck, wait a half-second before the damn thing actually zooms as it kind of "fades in," and you might as well kiss moving good-bye if your target shoots back at you should you miss.
When we played OGL and STA, I was always the AWP point man on the team, with a guy holding a shotgun or mp5 to cover me. It was extremely important to have someone who could snipe properly back then. Now you might as well just have another pistol half the time instead if you have an AWP, because you're screwed if anyone gets near you without being able to zoom quickly and move around to avoid getting shot.
So from probably one of the oldest CS veteran's here, count my vote in on this being a crappy change.
On a side note, I think there are still some servers that run Beta 5.x for the old school gamers out there, as well as CS 1.5 (last pre-steam release).
- Dave
9mmCensor
05-08-04, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by blackjackel
Ok, how many spelling/grammatical errors can you point out in the above paragraph? I can think of at least 10...
Shows the intelligence of the starter of this petition.
No spelling and grammar mistakes, show the english writing skills of the author. Its the ideas convied in the writing that show the intelligence of the peice they have written.
BmanG17
05-08-04, 01:36 AM
i'll sign, havent any of you noticed the BS GIANT random hitboxes that they added under 'variuous changes' category , hoping we wouldnt notice. they cater this game to ogl pubbers, so ppl who cant stop whineing about awp, will then like the game, and somehow think their good, then valve and its leeching ******* self hopes they go buy CZ
valve is leeching this community/game for all its worth.
GG entire body headshot hitbox.....so nub.
and lets make the crosshair so small, and not show any recoil, cause we at valve, love pubbing, and lets make the #1 competition game in the world, cater'd to pubbers, cause were Fin genius's.
God created the world in 7 days. Valve ruined CS in one update.
Hmm this thread advanced a page since I read it last. So far this holds up.
I quote...
Originally posted by BigRed
Every single patch that comes out for cs its "bitch bitch bitch" from all the cs'ers. They cant get it through their skulls that this isnt their game and their voice doesnt really matter, espically when it comes across as whiny with an eleitist attitude.
Change channel please. Ive seen this episode.
Voodoo Rufus
05-08-04, 12:13 PM
I'm with Red. Yep, no point in arguing it, and complaining never got anything changed in CS.
V!5!0Nz
05-08-04, 02:37 PM
I'm not bothered bout the updates any more, ive spent the weekend playing cs (sad? Maybe.....) but ive gotten use to the changes, the main reason i posted was to confirm the fact that;
Nothing is a satisfying as playing with deagle only, long distance hs, taking out people with shottys, rifles and subs with just the pistol. Its satisfyin as hell!!!!
Nothing beats it!
(ps. gotta love using the cheaper shotty as well and taking everyone out, one shot kill to the head with that is well fun :D)
termin@tor
05-08-04, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by insecure^
Wow... i am in love with cs and play it all the time. Involved with a clan (cal-im) and play every day I can.
First of all, the nonsense of "not shooting through walls anymore" is not true. And if you thought that this was an exploit... well your wrong, that was part of the game, to be somewhat realistic.
Then theres the awp. Well if you play league, like cal, then you would know everyone awps. All the majorly skilled players (cal-i), awp all the time. I bet you many of them may want to retire because of this. The update does suck in my opinion. The game is not meant to be super realistic to the point of where you cant zoom that quickly. If this was such an exploit, why didint they fix it a long time ago? Exactly. And when you see the people who shoot you in the air with the awp, they arnt actually doing that. It is sort of an illusion. They learn to jump and right when they land, they shoot.
Cs isnt my life. I love the game, but I wouldnt skip out on something planned to go play it. And I know its an old game, but geeze, dont ridicule it and say its old and sucks now. Its addicting... and its not old for me.
Everyone has there opinions, and mine is that the update is bad, only because I am a league player.
That's exactly what I think. I'm not a real clan player, but I've been in quite a few.
A big LOL at those who think shooting through walls is an exploit. Hahaha... just hahahahaah
A real exploit was when you could eliminate smoke nades by adding a command in your config (don't remember what the command was cause I haven't played in a while) but THAT was a real exploit. Almost everyone used it (yes, I admit, I used it myself) but it was removed pretty fast. It wasn't ever announced as a part of an update.
And the jumping in the air... exactly... that's not an exploit... sure I have gotten lucky... I once no-scoped a guy while jumping in the air with an awp (:D )
The ppl at Valve aren't retards... seriously. They know what they're doing. The update isn't one of the best, but you can't do anything about it. So, you have to adapt and learn how to play with it.
insecure^
05-08-04, 09:02 PM
Exactly. I havent been playing as long as most people so I havent been through a "drastic" change. At first I bithed for the whole day. Now I really dont care. I hate it, but it doesent make it so horrible that you cant play. Nuff said. :D
for whoever who asked, simply starting a demo then stopping got rid of smoke (startdemo wutever.dem; stop).ive been playing since 1.1 and at first i hated the update. ive played 2 seasons cal-im, im pretty good at cs, but i used to awp a lot. since the update i've concentrated entirely on ak/m4 and im pretty good with it now. the 2 friends i play with the most (e-friends :P) one of them only awps, like thats all he can do, but hes played a few seasons in cal-m and is in my clan now. my other friend just got moved up to cal-m and hasn't awped in about a year, hes insane with rifles now.
anyways, both of them have completely differnet playing styles, but both adapted to the update.
thers only ONE THING can i cant stand about the update, the headshot sprite. it gives me nightmares :x
termin@tor
05-09-04, 12:21 PM
For those of you who want to know the smoke exploit (which doesn't work now, you can try it if you want to) it is : bind "key" "record smoke;stop"
It was awesome, especially for Ti cards users like me who would experience dramatic drops in fps during a smoke nade. (yes, I got good perfect fps otherwise, but smoke was just horrible.)
Updates don't "ruin" gameplay.
That's the job of hackers and cheaters.
If anything they should get rid of the secondary chat program that comes with steam.
Waaaay too much 'ghosting' going on for my liking.
I think I'm going to go back to playing Quake.
Originally posted by stan03
what is "ghosting"
When a dead player reveals the location of a live player to a member of the opposite team.
Very easy to do with the in game chat that comes with steam.
i thought the people alive couldn't talk to those dead or the other way
9mmCensor
05-10-04, 03:49 PM
It doesn't matter though, because people will just use a 3rd party app to do the same thing like vent or TS2
ok... yea but i know what you mean now
Voodoo Rufus
05-10-04, 05:25 PM
You can also do the same over CS if you have admin by setting sv_alltalk to 1. More for fun and games.
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