New DD, TDX

[JDizzle]

Well I saw this posted in another forum and I saw a thread of people wanting to see what this thing looking like so here you go...

[VAdept]

Nice! Any other details?

[Blind Tree Frog]

it is just filling a chamber with water? No pathes or anything?


looks pretty though.

[JDizzle]

Nope all I have is that picture. That thing sure is small though.

[Blind Tree Frog]

OK, i know nothing about this so i'm just guessing from the pic and what little i think i've learned from you people


looks almost like the inlet rams right up against the base, so water would come in and spray out between the barb and the base giving it high turbulence and velocity as it sprays out and mixes with the other water in the chamber and hits the walls.... If I'm right, neat idea. Wonder how well it would work.. Should get the fresh water onto the center of the die and move it out fairly qucikly.

[Shadowcat]

Looks like it has some form of pin arrangement with a wall of some sorts O_o weirdness... it is shiny and pretty though !

[JDizzle]

I want to see how it performs and a price!

[Blind Tree Frog]

Originally posted by Shadowcat
Looks like it has some form of pin arrangement with a wall of some sorts O_o weirdness... it is shiny and pretty though ! you see pins?

[VAdept]

Well I blew it up, can't tell if there are pins or dimples below the inlet, looks more like dimples.

[Shadowcat]

With a negative image, it looks like there is some form of nozzle system similar to the RBX... and what looks like dimples. I think you are right VAdept

[deathBOB]

a Cascade style block? If it is, bravo to DD for bring it to the masses!

[JDizzle]

The cover has been blown, Rokk, tell us!!

[slater3333uk]

What a suprise it looks like a cascade;)

[JDizzle]

An affordable "Cascade" that is mass marketed.

[Blind Tree Frog]

i forget, how does a cascade work?

nevermind, found it.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202064&highlight=cascade+style+water+block

[VeiL0]

w000ttt...a "cascade" that I can actually buy! :)

[9mmCensor]

Looks really small. But the negitive looks cooler than it.

Can we keep the DD ripped off "xxxx" out of this thread, as you have no way to substantiate such claims

[ares350]

alright now Im getting ****ed off. STOP FILLING MY HEAD WITH CHOICES!!!!!!!!

soooo when will this be released? hell, I dont want to wait for testing, Ill test it myself. just let me buy it *wwwaaaaahhhhh*

[pHaestus]

Looks to my eyes like the same internal design as the RBX except turned sideways to allow for single outlet. It also looks to my eyes to be wider than the RBX.

[klath]

Hmm, I should wait before getting a waterblock for new WC system. :D

[ares350]

Originally posted by klath
Hmm, I should wait before getting a waterblock for new WC system. :D

hah easy for you to say, how will you cool the CPU in the meantime!?!

patience /= my strong point

[klath]

I'm researching parts for my first WC rig so my Thermalright AX-478 should do fine for now. :p

[eXCeSS]

Looks like a morphling style cascade block

its odd looking but..


...WHEN DO I GET ONE !!

[JDizzle]

1-2 weeks

[ares350]

:O

I thought the other thread said we'd hear new info this week... :(

I was hoping next few days itd be available. wonder if theyll preorder them.

[Overbrazil]

if it outperforms RBX, that would be great....:D

[klath]

Hmm, it probably does unless they are marketing it as a value water block below RBX. I'm sure they did testing on their (?) design before mass producing it.

[govern1]

Looks pretty darn good to me! Will they have one for the AMD64, anyone think?

Shawn

[ZachM]

Before scrolling down, I said to myself ,"that looks a lot like a Cascade nozzle". Looks interesting. We will just have to wait and see. Seems like it could easily be made with a 3rd barb.
Wonder if that will be an option.

[Soja]

Where would the 3rd barb go?

[sandman001]

On the other side, like the WW layout that has become so popular.

[9mmCensor]

It's seems to be the same design internally as the RBX but turned sideways so that one outlet is possible.

It is also seems to be a bit wider on the base so hopefully those mounting issues have been addressed.

morphling1 did the same thing with his whitewater type block to avoid 3 barb design

[@md0Cer]

Originally posted by Soja
Where would the 3rd barb go?

Looks like it is a 2 barb block ;) Anyone have any info on pricing? If this is a more affordable lower end block that would be nice. I have a feeling they are going to do a naming theme like Acura almost, think about it, RBX, TDX, Acura's NSX, RSX, TSX, MDX, looks like three letter **X names are getting popular.

Eh, naming does not matter though, I cant wait to see how it performs and what the price is :D

[dacooltech]

Originally posted by pHaestus
Looks to my eyes like the same internal design as the RBX except turned sideways to allow for single outlet. It also looks to my eyes to be wider than the RBX.

You are right pH :) I received a sample early this week... there're total of 5 fins underneath the nozzle turned sideways to allow for single outlet. It's a nice looking block BTW...

[AngryAlpaca]

Only 5 fins? That doesn't seem to be an advantage... I can't see any benefit to this except a lower production cost, and the wider base is a plus. Looks nicer too.

Edit: Just saw that the RBX only has 5.

[Overbrazil]

Originally posted by dacooltech


You are right pH :) I received a sample early this week... there're total of 5 fins underneath the nozzle turned sideways to allow for single outlet. It's a nice looking block BTW...
Or maybe a ¨not so restritive¨ version of RBX:D

[AngryAlpaca]

If anything I'd expect them to be more restrictive. The RBX doesn't have that high of a pressure drop, and seeing as the stock nozzle has been seen to get worse performance than the more restrictive ones (bad tests, but still...) they would probably increase it to get higher water velocities.

[Overbrazil]

that was i said, but my horrible english .....
so less restrictive.

[zip22]

damn, i was hopping for some jet impingement cups and such...

[Soja]

Originally posted by sandman001
On the other side, like the WW layout that has become so popular.

I don't see how it could fit.

Originally posted by @md0Cer


Looks like it is a 2 barb block ;) Anyone have any info on pricing? If this is a more affordable lower end block that would be nice. I have a feeling they are going to do a naming theme like Acura almost, think about it, RBX, TDX, Acura's NSX, RSX, TSX, MDX, looks like three letter **X names are getting popular.

Eh, naming does not matter though, I cant wait to see how it performs and what the price is :D

I was responding to ZachM how could there be a 3rd barb. Doesn't the RBX stand for rokk block xtreme?

Originally posted by zip22
damn, i was hopping for some jet impingement cups and such...

Ditto :-/

[@/2ct!<]

Impingements probably still too expensive to mass mill, not enough profit in eyes of DD, Cathar has to make his like $100 +

[felinusz]

The RBX doesn't have that high of a pressure drop, and seeing as the stock nozzle has been seen to get worse performance than the more restrictive ones (bad tests, but still...) they would probably increase it to get higher water velocities.

You're assuming that this block won't have different nozzles as an option, like the RBX does ;).

Hopefully they will continue providing the same neat, and unique, nozzle options they did with the RBX.

Oh, and it sure looks spiffy, doesn't it?

I think that pictures like this one are leaked intentionally in order to hype up new products.

[AngryAlpaca]

The extra nozzles don't matter. Most people and reviews use the stock one, so that should be the best one.

[Turd Furguson]

Well Dan at DD told me there would be some news later this week. Evidently the leak was intentional as previously stated. So I would guess it would be available in the next week or 2.

[Silent Buddha]

Pure awesome.

[felinusz]

The extra nozzles don't matter. Most people and reviews use the stock one, so that should be the best one.

I disagree. The extra nozzles are what make the Danger Den RBX block unique in my opinion, and saying they don't matter is in a way dismissing the block itself. The stock nozzle is the one designed to provide the best performance in a standard circuit with several waterblocks, and a medium pressure/flowrate.

If people, and reviewers aren't paying attention to the product they're using, and educating themselves, using the nozzle which is best for their application, then they aren't seeing the full potential of their waterblock.

You said that the stock nozzle shoud be the "best" one. Well, there is no game-set-match "best" when it comes to watercooling, there are simply too many factors, and variations to acount for. I feel that the several different nozzle choices are a great idea, and a very refreshing approach to processor watercooling.

It's good to see that perhaps the commercial side of this cooling method is moving away from the "biggest heatsink" mentality, and towards a "tailor-made" one.

Even a Cascade can be optimized and improved for the specific water circuit it's being used in through use of different nozzles.

[SnowRider]

Originally posted by @md0Cer
.....I have a feeling they are going to do a naming theme like Acura almost, think about it, RBX, TDX, Acura's NSX, RSX, TSX, MDX........
I sure wish I had an RSX:burn::burn::burn::burn:
:D

[NeoMoses]

Originally posted by @/2ct!&lt;
Impingements probably still too expensive to mass mill, not enough profit in eyes of DD, Cathar has to make his like $100 +

Not exactly true. It's just expensive to do in small batches. Here's the quandary: Cathar set the price of a high-end waterblock at about $120 (US) with the original whitewater. DTek took the design from cathar, optimized the manufacturing a bit (aluminum top, less lapping/assembly attention), and dropped the price to about $75. Then, DD bumped the market price of high-end waterblocks down to about $55 with the RBX, forcing others to follow even though performance was just a bit off the pace of the original WW. Now comes Swiftech along with their $40 waterblock that's just a shade more off the performance pace and has a couple more price savings (straight pipes, no barbs, stamped top, etc...) Will the average joe continue to pay $15 for a waterblock that he can barely tell performs differently? Highly doubtful.

So... if I'm DD, I design a block that is cheaper to make. Less copper, les barbs, less machining time. Overall, they're probably saving about $3-$5 per block with this new one if it has the same channels as an RBX. I would expect this to sell for around $45 to put some serious pressure on Swiftech. The DD has real hose barbs and better styling. Very competitive IMHO, even at $5 more expensive.

Here's the kicker. Will Swiftech play the price war game? I'm thinking they will. Unless they made some serious flaws while setting up production for the mcw6000, they should be able to sell them at less than $30 while making a profit. Will they drop prices very soon? Will DD follow suit? Only time will tell.

So, in my opinion, the really exciting stuff isn't happening at the high end with electroformed waterblocks and uber-tiny impingement jets, it's happening at the low end. If all goes well for the consumer, we could see good performing waterblocks at $25-$30 by August. :)

[Cathar]

Originally posted by @/2ct!&lt;
Impingements probably still too expensive to mass mill, not enough profit in eyes of DD, Cathar has to make his like $100 +

It's possible to make RBX/WW beating performance for a sale price of $30US. Heck, it'd take me maybe 8 weeks to set that up if I wanted to proceed with it. Of course it (the design I'm referring to) doesn't quite match a Cascade for performance, but that's not important at $30 each now is it?

I never wanted to be a high-volume maker though, scrabbling to make a few dollars worth of margins over a few thousand blocks, and worrying about customers. The amount of time spent per customer to handle the sale of a single block for a few dollars is pretty grim stuff.

Super-tiny jets just leads to easy clogging of those jets for most people. As much as I like the Cascade's performance, it is a bit of a demanding beast to keep clean. Well within the capabilities of any enthusiast to setup properly, but to deal with thousands of people who aren't as careful would be a real chore. The whole thing would be better if it were sold as a single pre-filled/sealed package.

[The Big One]

WW style 1 barb in one out, i think it's going to replace the maze 4 and not the RBX

[AngryAlpaca]

I don't think that Swiftech is going to be pressured. The RBX seems to be an enthusiast block, while Swiftech may not be aiming for us. The Swiftech, being all copper (no corrosion or cracking) and soldered shut (no leaking) is much more reliable, for maybe the server market... Yes, a really cheap block could be out. That's the one thing stopping many people from going to WC'ing. Why would there be any difference in performance? Almost everyone has realized that two barbs offers little advantage, and rotating the thing 90 degrees fixes anything that it did offer.

[jkb2198]

Do we have a price estimate on this new block and when it will be released?

[Blind Tree Frog]

Originally posted by NeoMoses

So, in my opinion, the really exciting stuff isn't happening at the high end with electroformed waterblocks and uber-tiny impingement jets, it's happening at the low end. If all goes well for the consumer, we could see good performing waterblocks at $25-$30 by August. :) I'm more interested to see the server market and it's affect on water blocks. Processor heat in the next generation chips is looking like it's going through the roof (no great shock) so the cooling solutions required by the standards are going to start being stricter.

What do server set ups have now? fan on the cpu and a exhaust fan or two on the case? If heat jumps too high for the few fans to handle and they don't start building liquid cooling into the chips (I believe IBM does already, I think intel is looking into it) then they are going to need a heavier duty, but still low profile cooling solution. Water cooling could be perfect for that. Especially if each rack just has a few water blocks the the hoses run out the back so all of the rack mount machines dump into a common resevoir/cooling solution/pump set up at the bottom of the rack.

Would be interesting at least. Course I'm just making this up as I go along.

[VAdept]

Well it seems inevitable in the server market. There isnt anything putting a lid on the ever increasing amount of heat and air will only go so far. Its rather 'rare' to find the average computer with water-cooling but in the future this probably wont be the case unless something new rolls around. I do remember seeing an article on using carbon nano-tubes to pull heat fromt the CPU since they transfer heat at almost 100% effiecency.

[Arkangyl]

Folks, I've got the scoop on this one, listen up;

This block is essentially a 2 barb RBX block, the fins have been rotated 90* and so has the nozzle, yes its still there. The water blasts through the jet over the center of the fins, there is a wall paralell to the fins that makes the water go north and south to get around it to the exit.

Hope that helps

[VeiL0]

I'm wondering what kind of performance gains are we gonna see with this new block. If it is just another incarnation of the RBX in terms of performance then theres almost no difference then even if it's cheaper by 5 bucks and uses two barbs. A revision perhaps but I was looking forward to an improvement like the 5000/2 to MCW6000. Although it looks pretty the level of progress is almost nil to me. Seems I'm just a bit jumpy because of looking forward to a block to exceed RBX/WW specs. :p

[AngryAlpaca]

Wow! THANKS! Welcome to page one! Or possibly the pro/forums thread.

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by AngryAlpaca
Wow! THANKS! Welcome to page one! Or possibly the pro/forums thread.

Is sarcasm truely nessesary?

[@/2ct!<]

My bad, but I think you should sell your almost Cascade beating design to one of the mass market companies though...please... lol. But I guess the profits made by it are likely to be lost if customer support is needed for every clogged jet as well :(

[noxipoo]

It would be really nice if its cheaper.

[deathBOB]

Ok its a redesigned RBX... Whats the price though?

[wildfrogman]

Who knows...not officially released yet. The pics wernt really supposed to slip out just yet but the distributer took pics and they...leaked. We will probably find out pretty soon though.

[asdasd]

Originally posted by @/2ct!&lt;
My bad, but I think you should sell your almost Cascade beating design to one of the mass market companies though...please... lol. But I guess the profits made by it are likely to be lost if customer support is needed for every clogged jet as well :(
lol are you talking to cathar, because he is the creator of the cascade

[AngryAlpaca]

I think he was actually...

Is sarcasm truely nessesary?
No. Hehe...

[ToolBox]

I like the looks of this :)

[ares350]

most of the market is "hobby" over clockers. those of you that upgrade your compoents over an over.

this is worthless if it doesnt offer some performance advantage... for example if this were a cascade type block, with cascade type performance, I bet quite a few people would upgrade to it. but instead its just a horizontal move to similair performing block that might be a little cheaper and a little easier to use(1 in 1 out.)

nothing to move the setup foward though, too bad.

[VeiL0]

Originally posted by ares350
most of the market is "hobby" over clockers. those of you that upgrade your compoents over an over.

this is worthless if it doesnt offer some performance advantage... for example if this were a cascade type block, with cascade type performance, I bet quite a few people would upgrade to it. but instead its just a horizontal move to similair performing block that might be a little cheaper and a little easier to use(1 in 1 out.)

nothing to move the setup foward though, too bad.

I agree with your statement. This is nothing more of a horizontal move that most likely bring about no performance gain, only the price and ease of use will be evident. Although the two outlet design is a nice implementation, I bet most won't upgrade unless it has a performance advantage that is justifiable.

[Soja]

What about the folks that haven't upgraded yet? A 2 barb block that is possibly cheaper seems like a worthy revision.

[deathBOB]

What about the servermarket that Swiftech seems to be catering to?

[AngryAlpaca]

Yeah. I disagree. I don't think the high end enthusiast is the market at all. I dunno about servers, as they'd require a somewhat different approach than enthusiasts. I think the low end is where it's at.

[noxipoo]

Somehow I don't think server builders out there are running around buying WBs and trying to setup watercooling, so much of a pain. All the servers farms I've been around run on air in a 65F or so room. Its just really loud but who cares, no one sleeps in there.

[OutS|der]

if your water cooling then your overclocking so why go cheap and get ****ty performance?
i understand the need to make more of a profit while making a comparable product but if it's gonna be cheaper like most of ya think i doubt then it'll have much of an improvement over the RBX
looks like a new design and cost saving moves like d-tek just did with the White Water
btw cathar where can i get one of ya blocks?
or better yet how and what do i gotta do for one lol

[ares350]

you cant, he doesnt make them anymore. atleast right now.

I think the line for his blocks is around the corner if he does make them.

[AngryAlpaca]

if your water cooling then your overclocking so why go cheap and get ****ty performance?
i understand the need to make more of a profit while making a comparable product but if it's gonna be cheaper like most of ya think i doubt then it'll have much of an improvement over the RBX
looks like a new design and cost saving moves like d-tek just did with the White Water
btw cathar where can i get one of ya blocks?
or better yet how and what do i gotta do for one lol That's a very stupid way of thinking. Price and quality are quite often unrelated. AMD has been cheaper AND better (in performance, at least) than Intel for years, and Swiftech just came out with a kickass block for ten dollars cheaper. There's also the ALX-800, a top performer despite the aluminum construction.

[Blind Tree Frog]

Plus there are many who aren't watercooling for Overclocking. Some are doing it for sound levels (check the Tsunami Zen thread in the alternative moding section.) Others are doing it for the hell of it/something different (like me)

[OutS|der]

ya i understand more expensive does not always mean better performance or at least a worthwhile increase in performance and your new swiftech block it better then a White Water or a Cascade whitch r the 2 most expensive blocks out?
probably not so in most cases you have to spend money to get better results
and for the people not doing it to overclock and just for sound aint really looking for great performance gains or greatter lower temps so you wouldnt have to spend as much,
more expensive should equal better performance it just depends on the price difference and performance gains
anyways i know cathar aint making any new ones but when or if he ever does how could i get one?

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by AngryAlpaca
Price and quality are quite often unrelated.
You listed some exceptions to the rule. Current AMD (A64) are quite expensive and yeah, its a business thing.

Look at cars or food ingrediants and you will see, feel and taste the difference (a BMW tastes much better than a Kia).

[Voodoo Rufus]

Oooohhhh, nice block.

Not like Cathar is patenting his designs as far as I know, so no biggie if people want to learn off of it, right?

Can't wait for a Joe review.

[noxipoo]

I thought the cascade was open source design? I thought I read that somewhere.

[9mmCensor]

Originally posted by noxipoo
I thought the cascade was open source design? I thought I read that somewhere.

If it was "open source" then everyone would be making them and selling them...

[AngryAlpaca]

Okay, so they're exceptions. On the other hand, they're all valid, and very relevant to what we're doing. That idea that price equals quality is what gives a lot of companies success, when it means very little. Another example is the Mag 3, a low cost alternative that will beat the pants off of most pumps. "President's Choice" cola (generic) is the best tasting cola in Canada... Japanese cars have for years outperformer the American counterpart, and for a much lower price, until the tariffs were placed. The WW is no where near the most expensive block, but it is a top performer, while the PolarFLO is a very low performance block, with a ~$80 price tag.

[Disco_Stu]

Any solid dates on these yet?

[[O-CuK]Marci]

From what I heard the TDX's main objective is to reduce the number of issues customers have with 3 runs of tubing to a single block, making it harder to tube up to an aesthetically pleasing standard. The TDX is there to provide the performance of the RBX, with interchangeable nozzles, a few other minor modifications on the visual front, `cept without the necessity for a Y-Splitter after the CPU block to rejoin flow.

[JDizzle]

I wonder if they made it any easier to change the nozzles. I really hope it's around the $40 price tag to compete with the new swifty. If it's at that price i'll be watching Joe for reviews very closely.

[Zerileous]

all arguments on whether it is a rip off from cascade or whether it is a good thing or not, it appears to theory as the cascade - jets force water to spray into dimples which come very close to the core. I think the idea is good because basically, most of the heat will be absorbed right off, the large resevoir will then allow the rest of the heat to be absorbed well.

[NeoMoses]

Originally posted by Zerileous
all arguments on whether it is a rip off from cascade or whether it is a good thing or not, it appears to theory as the cascade - jets force water to spray into dimples which come very close to the core. I think the idea is good because basically, most of the heat will be absorbed right off, the large resevoir will then allow the rest of the heat to be absorbed well.

??? Huh ??? Can someone please translate this for me? I'm especially confused about the last sentence. Actually, the whole post confused me.:confused:

[9mmCensor]

He seems to be stating the jet impingment is good, and that it absorbs alot of the heat into the water so it can be gotten rid of else where (in a rad or huge Res)...

[AngryAlpaca]

?? That idea about the reservoir is a bit bad. The cat is out of the bag. Check the pro/forums thread. It's just an RBX rotated 90 degrees, nothing changed, nothing new. Just rotated and with a larger base.

[wildfrogman]

Well, the larger base is a good thing for mounting. Also being more effecient in tubing runs with just one in/out barb. Also it probably will be a bit lower price than the rbx since its easier to make~less barbs, probably alot less mill time etc. 9mmCensor talking abour a huge res probably was thinking about those open air res. made from a fish tank or something like that. Also if you look closely at the base of the TDX's fins you can see the channels are not flat but have like...a short fin inbetween the taller copper fins. I dont know if the RBX has that but maybe that was another tweak that will help the TDX perform even better?

[Turd Furguson]

Any new info? Still waiting for an ETA.

[Soja]

Originally posted by wildfrogman
Well, the larger base is a good thing for mounting. Also being more effecient in tubing runs with just one in/out barb. Also it probably will be a bit lower price than the rbx since its easier to make~less barbs, probably alot less mill time etc. 9mmCensor talking abour a huge res probably was thinking about those open air res. made from a fish tank or something like that. Also if you look closely at the base of the TDX's fins you can see the channels are not flat but have like...a short fin inbetween the taller copper fins. I dont know if the RBX has that but maybe that was another tweak that will help the TDX perform even better?

I don't see the short fins?

http://forums.pimprig.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11538

[wildfrogman]

Look between the tall fins near the base. You will see where the cutting bit cut deeper right next to the fins making an extra fin in the middle. Its not nearly as tall but its a bit wider~thicker. The fin layout is tall fin then the groove then a short fin then another groove from the cutting bit. Then the other tall fin afterwards the thicker short fin. Hope this helps you see it.

[situman]

so anyone kno when its coming out?

[noxipoo]

Will it just perform the same as the RBX? Anyone know cost?

[VeiL0]

Most probably, it's gonna perform the same as the RBX maybe even better. It could perform less but by a very small margin. I would put my money on the TDX having the same specs as the RBX.

[Drewpy]

Originally posted by wildfrogman
Look between the tall fins near the base. You will see where the cutting bit cut deeper right next to the fins making an extra fin in the middle. Its not nearly as tall but its a bit wider~thicker. The fin layout is tall fin then the groove then a short fin then another groove from the cutting bit. Then the other tall fin afterwards the thicker short fin. Hope this helps you see it. First post here, so I hope I'm not stepping on any toes, but here goes.

There are no extra fins. What you are pointing out is the what is left of the base after machining of the dimples.

[wildfrogman]

Ok, now that I look at it closer I see what you mean. The first time I looked at it the dimples cut into the base it looked like they created weaving fins. After looking at the RBX a bit closer I see it has the same dimples next to the fins also. Thanks for pointing this out Drewpy, and welcome to the forum :cool:

[brisk]

so anyone get any info to when this would be coming out?

[learning curve]

I'm lookin forward for them to be released as well and would love to see some reviews and some comparision data

[Cerberus2k7]

CoolerCases has them, well, more pics. Its a to be announced thing for right now.

[Turd Furguson]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
CoolerCases has them, well, more pics. Its a to be announced thing for right now.

Where at? I had trouble finding it unless I overlooked it.

[Cerberus2k7]

http://www.coolercases.co.uk/water_blocks_dangerden.htm

[VeiL0]

lookin good...now..just waiting for a test on this block to see how it compares to the RBX. :)

[Soja]

I like the rbx chrome barbs better. These look like the dtek ones that don't grip tubing as well.

[noxipoo]

one thing about dangerden stuff, theres always plenty of intructions with them on the websites.

[Turd Furguson]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
http://www.coolercases.co.uk/water_blocks_dangerden.htm

I looked at the wrong site completely. Doh!!:(

[Turd Furguson]

On DD's site they just said they will be announcing a new product. Hopefully it will be this.

[jamesavery22]

DD will do atleast lucite tops for Xeons, right? :(

[learning curve]

Originally posted by Turd Furguson
On DD's site they just said they will be announcing a new product. Hopefully it will be this. I was gonna post the same thing and you beat me to it lol

[Silent Buddha]

Originally posted by Soja
These look like the dtek ones that don't grip tubing as well.

?
I have a Dtek WW and the barbs seem to grip the tubing just fine. Very tight I might add.

[learning curve]

DD's site says anouncment this friday so maybe we'll hear somehting then

[pHaestus]

I'll wager that you will. Some more pics here (http://www.procooling.com/users/phaestus/TDX/)

[brisk]

wow..you actually got the TDX. can't wait till friday.
are you going to be doing any tests soon with that block?

[Drewpy]

Originally posted by Soja
I like the rbx chrome barbs better. These look like the dtek ones that don't grip tubing as well.
These new barbs are supposed to be higher flow than the old ones they used on blocks like the RBX and Maze4. Whether there's any truth to that, well, you can decide for yourself.

I prefer them because they are lower profile, and should exert less torque on the die. Of course, that depends on how your tubing is routed, but it could lessen the possiblity of cracking a core IMHO.

[Turd Furguson]

I will have my CC out and ready to party this Friday. :D

[JDizzle]

Not going to wait for reviews? Depending on how much it is I might just buy one without waiting also. I bet Joe already has one though so on Friday I bet we'll see a review from him.

[AngryAlpaca]

Turn off that flash! If I didn't already know what the inside looked like, I wouldn't be able to tell what anything was. Odd little speckles on the base, I must say.

[Turd Furguson]

Now I am curious if you got one of the beta WBs where the lap job will be superior to the rest of the batches that us consumers will be attaining.

[pHaestus]

The barbs are definitely larger ID than previous DD blocks. They look to be the same barbs DTek uses on the Whitewaters but Dangerden adds either an o ring or neoprene washer to them. The only similar ID barbs I've seen are on the Cascades.

I could take more pictures of this block but I'd have to pull it out of the test system.

Turd Furguson: Who knows for sure? It doesn't look to be any better than the finish on the Maze4 GPU and chipset blocks JoeC reviewed recently so I'm guessing Dangerden must have a new method for getting a good baseplate finish (finally!)

[Soja]

Any eta on some rough test numbers phaestus?

[pHaestus]

It won't be until Dangerden officially announces the block...whenever that may be.

[brisk]

can't wait...for the review and the block...hopefully it will be this friday when Dangerden releases it...

[JDizzle]

Well here is the latest news that I have found on the TDX. Here is the price (http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/scan/se=Water%20Cooling/se=1::2%20ID%20CPU%20Water%20Blocks/mp=menu_search.html) . Kind of a bummer. I was hoping it would be somewhere closer to the new Swifty.

[jamesavery22]

Originally posted by JDizzle
Well here is the latest news that I have found on the TDX. Here is the price (http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/scan/se=Water%20Cooling/se=1::2%20ID%20CPU%20Water%20Blocks/mp=menu_search.html) . Kind of a bummer. I was hoping it would be somewhere closer to the new Swifty.

That sucks =( Maybe the prices direct from DD will be less? Or maybe because they are the first to have it out FrozenCPU has it high. Else Im waiting for the 1/2" version of the MCW6000 =\

[brisk]

well the price is OK i guess, but if it out performs the RBX then its definatly a grab..lol

also wonder...why they cut down to 2 barbs instead of 3....doestn'3 have better performance?

[Voodoo Rufus]

Going from 2 to 3 won't help a whole lot. Kinda like the difference between 1/2" and 5/8" ID. Diminishing returns.

I think it was mainly for convenience and aesthetics.

[quicksilverXP]

You think there are major performance benefits with this block between 3/8 inch and 1/2 inch tubing with an MCP600, a GPU block, a Dual heatercore, and a reservoir? I've had 1/2 inch ID before, and it's too bulky for my taste, I'm leaning towards 3/8 this time around, but if the performance is severe, than I won't anymore.

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by quicksilverXP
You think there are major performance benefits with this block between 3/8 inch and 1/2 inch tubing with an MCP600, a GPU block, a Dual heatercore, and a reservoir? I've had 1/2 inch ID before, and it's too bulky for my taste, I'm leaning towards 3/8 this time around, but if the performance is severe, than I won't anymore.

well as long as you keep the 1/2" barbs (should be easy enough to get 3/8" tubing over them) then you just have a bit lower flow than 1/2" would have had... we'll have a better idea how much difference it would make when pHaestus releases his results....

[Turd Furguson]

Bah I wanna buy it but I need to wait for reviews.

[pHaestus]

For budget blocks look at DTek; I think he's selling the TC-4s for $25 now. Just looking at the machining time that must have gone into this block I don't think $52 is gonna drop too much. Seems like RBXs are priced similarly all over the web (50-52).

If Cooltechnica gets these in shortly, they have free shipping on orders over $50. (RBX is currently $51.95 there)

[govern1]

FrozenCPU has them in stock at 52.95 each, with 19 available. Also, a very good picture of the insides.

Shawn

[brisk]

TDX is finally here!! Finally. www.dangerden.com
also they said they going to have a silver version in 2-3days..can't wait for that too. Now juss need some reviews...

[pHaestus]

looks like JoeC will have a review up tomorrow!

[brisk]

hey pHaestus, are you going to have a review up soon comparing this with other waterblocks? your reivews are great btw! thanks.

[wildfrogman]

Ohwell, you guys saw DD's website already...beat me to announcing it:D I have to be faster next time. Anyways, its nice that its officially out now.

[pHaestus]

Yea I got an e-mail a few minutes ago that it was ok to post reviews. So I went ahead and put ours up before bed. I'm gonna be sleepy tomorrow :(

[noxipoo]

so it performs slightly worse but won't be noticeble in the typical loop. Its too bad it isn't cheaper. That makes my decision harder, tdx or ww for my final setup...

[learning curve]

Kindda sux it's less machining and 1 less barb so it's gotta be cheaper to make but they are'nt passing any of the savings on to us :mad:

[pHaestus]

TDX hands down due to width and 2 barbs. My recommendation for the high performance crowd would go (since cascade isn't available):

tdx>whitewater>>rbx

all same price? mounting and ease of use really separate these, not performance.

[The Big One]

by ProCooling with good pump its:
Whitewater>>RBX>>TDX
with normal pump its:
(WW=RBX) >> TDX

[vonkaar]

Another great review pHaestus. Good work, timely release etc.
I'll stick with LR for now =p.

[pHaestus]

You are looking at the dT vs. flow numbers in a vacuum; in fact the blocks are all pretty close in an actual wc loop due to decreased resistance on the TDX. And if the TDX were a full degree worse than the RBX I'd still pick it; the bp on RBX doesn't even cover an IHS (or the socket pads) and it WILL get tippy when you put tight turns on the hoses to shut your case.

[noxipoo]

so you really like the TDX huh? btw, are you putting up the nozzle reviews later this weekend? will you test them not just in cpu only loops but with GPU and NB blocks too? and different pumps? I'm asking for a lot i know...

[pHaestus]

I am not the biggest fan of the 3barb blocks; I think that they perform well but are difficult to consistently mount (and add so much resistance!). I am still waiting for something to require me to swap the Cascade out of my main rig :)

~10 hrs testing per nozzle; maybe next week this time?

Not going to be changing the loop; will hopefully have new test capabilities soon that will allow us to do good whole system estimates of performance (assuming Since87 is still interested).

[vonkaar]

Originally posted by pHaestus
You are looking at the dT vs. flow numbers in a vacuum; in fact the blocks are all pretty close in an actual wc loop due to decreased resistance on the TDX. And if the TDX were a full degree worse than the RBX I'd still pick it; the bp on RBX doesn't even cover an IHS (or the socket pads) and it WILL get tippy when you put tight turns on the hoses to shut your case.

bleh, no... I'm sure the TDX will be a great seller... I might even suggest it to friends. But, I *personally* will choose a hand-made Cathar original until the end of time. That will be next thursday, if you were wondering.

[Joe Camel]

whats "next thursday"?...im wondering...

[brisk]

Hmm..i also wonder how their Silver TDX will perform and the cost of that block...

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by brisk
Hmm..i also wonder how their Silver TDX will perform and the cost of that block...
If no changes are made to the internals, ie it is not 'optimized' for the better (slightly) thermal properties of pure silver, there would be almost zero difference between silver/copper version. Even the SS Cascade which IS optimized to take advantage of the silver is only .5C or so better than the copper.

[Voodoo Rufus]

Joe's review: http://www.overclockers.com/articles1022/

Not posted on the front page yet but the link was in the OC.com waterblock test data area.

[Turd Furguson]

I guess I will pick one of these up here soon. :) I was hoping for a little bit better results but oh well.

[pHaestus]

hmm my nozzle comparison may be a bit later than I thought. R12-based water chiller showed up at house today and after all the wb reviews of last couple months I want to actually build my rig up and play a bit :D

[JDizzle]

I'm new around here. Where can I find your review at pHaestus?

[Turd Furguson]

www.procooling.com

[Bevman]

Was going to buy one of these and put my RBX in my wife's rig. Thanks for the info. Going to get her a Spiral and save myself $27.

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by pHaestus
You are looking at the dT vs. flow numbers in a vacuum; in fact the blocks are all pretty close in an actual wc loop due to decreased resistance on the TDX.

unless joe's test is off the decreased resistance isn't that great:

at 1gpm he has:
14.1" H2O for the TDX
16.3" H2O for the RBX

since resistance increases with the square of the flow, therefore the TDX would have 16.3" H2O at a flow of
square root of (16.3/14.1)
or approx 1.075gpm. since that would also raise the resistance of everything else in the loop, even a pump with a flat p/q curve wouldn't give anything like that gain in flow.

some of the reduction is due to the better barbs - so i guess it begs the question what flow resistance an RBX with the new barbs would have....

[AngryAlpaca]

That tiny bit less restriction from the barbs is probably offset by rotating the fins 90 degrees, so I think they reduced the restriction, lowering the velocity. I do, however, think that the wider base with the 2 barb design makes the TDX superior to the RBX, but not to the WW.

[pHaestus]

joe's using difft nozzles: #1 for rbx and #4 for tdx. hard to evaluate relative resistance from his pressure #s for this reason

[BeerHunter]

pHaestus you say in your review they have this block for "Athlon64 sockets" and I'm not seeing it on thier site. They list a generic term "AMD Processor" followed by 478, and Xeon as far as availiability...hmm maybe I should email them. Thanks for the review.

http://www.dangerden.com/mall/Blocks/tdx.asp

[Silent Buddha]

Athlon 64 --> http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ex-blc-91.html

Danger Den has it on their site too. It's the 2nd selection on the TDX page. It's mis-labeled RBX for Athlon64/Opteron.

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by BeerHunter
pHaestus you say in your review they have this block for "Athlon64 sockets" and I'm not seeing it on thier site. They list a generic term "AMD Processor" followed by 478, and Xeon as far as availiability...hmm maybe I should email them. Thanks for the review.

http://www.dangerden.com/mall/Blocks/tdx.asp
You just need to L@@k better ;)
http://www.dangerden.com/mall/Blocks/tdx.asp#Danger%20Den%20-%20RBX%20for%20Athlon64/Opteron Bah the bookmark in the link isn't working, anyway, scoll down on that page, you will see the K8 for $53.95.

[BeerHunter]

Doh my bad. I was going to get WW but this has just two nossels making less cutter which I can't even deal with in web pages:D

[AngryAlpaca]

Bah. Why the hell would he do that? What a scam. Decreased size by 20% does not equate to a 20% increase in pressure drop, does it?

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by pHaestus
joe's using difft nozzles: #1 for rbx and #4 for tdx. hard to evaluate relative resistance from his pressure #s for this reason

so he is! it didn't even occur to me to check that he might be using one of the other nozzles, since they are still a pay for extra :bang head

guess we need to wait for the results of your nozzle comparison to be able to compare like with like then.....

[AngryAlpaca]

Is there any way we can petition him to just do a quick pressure drop test of the #1 nozzle?