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I am amazed at the misconception that games dont play well on a dual..I have gamed for as long as AMD has made dual's and never experenced any problems..
Any one else game out here in SMP LAND ? Whats your fav game...
I game. I don't have a favorite game. Im open to any game i can blow stuff up in. Both rigs work great for gaming.
walaka7
05-01-04, 04:34 AM
Unreal Tournament 2k4 as of right now as far as favorite. I dont expect killer results, but i dont get any lag, so all is good as far as im concerned. I know you do lose a little, but i think that is really only as far as benchies are concerned
I havent ever noticed a slow down gaming versus any single system I have owned. It is definately a misconception as far as I am concearned.
cmcquistion
05-01-04, 09:36 AM
I game and I've never had a problem gaming with my dual Athlon system.
Of course, gaming performance is more dependant on your video card, than anything else, so if you have a good video card, you aren't going to have a problem gaming.
I run a Ti4600 in my main rig (dual Bartons at 2 GHz) and I get very close performance to my old Intel RDRAM rig at 2667 MHz, with the same video card.
ShadowCat66
05-01-04, 10:06 AM
My dual MP2800 Bartons @2.4 just love to play UT2004.My V-Card is a 9800PRO.
No trouble,in my opinion unless benchmarks are your thing,daul is the way to go.
spldart
05-01-04, 12:57 PM
Dual Mobile 2600 bartons at 2304 with ATI 9800 AIW Pro. Games great. :)
I.M.O.G.
05-01-04, 01:19 PM
Are there ever conflicts with gaming and SMP?
I thought Duallies were just as good or virtually indistinguishably slightly worse than a single processor system at gaming?
Originally posted by IMOG
Are there ever conflicts with gaming and SMP?
I thought Duallies were just as good or virtually indistinguishably slightly worse than a single processor system at gaming?
Nope but some would have ya think there is out of ignorance..
That's true IMOG. For the most part, duallies are equivalent to single processor rigs for gaming. I think most of the myths about duallies being bad for gaming come from the fact that you don't get the double performance one might expect on first approximation.
I wonder if there are any games out there that can take advantage of 2 cpus. I can't think of any, but there is no reason that I know of that they couldn't be designed to do so.
cmcquistion
05-01-04, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by MRD
I wonder if there are any games out there that can take advantage of 2 cpus. I can't think of any, but there is no reason that I know of that they couldn't be designed to do so.
There are a few, but not many. Many flight simulator are multithreaded. I've heard that Tribes 2 and Star Wars Galaxies are multithreaded. Quake 3 is supposedly multithreaded, but it is hard-to-impossible to actually get it to run that way. UT2003 has a separate thread for the game sound, but this makes little-to-no performance improvement.
Foxie3a
05-01-04, 07:50 PM
I guess that, especially here, when people play games they want to get the MAX FPS as they can. And have as much playing time as possible.
It seems like SMP people are more patient, and don't notice a 2 second loading time.
That, and I think that SMP usually have more RAM than single processor people.
cmcquistion
05-01-04, 09:29 PM
We don't get lagged down by other running programs, when we game. Single-CPU gamers do. I really noticed when I moved to SMP, that my gaming was 'smoother'. It didn't have as many little glitches, where my FPS shot down. These little glitches were caused by other running processes hogging some CPU cycles.
With SMP, those other processes get their cycles, without disturbing my game. Net effect... smoother gaming.
I.M.O.G.
05-01-04, 09:36 PM
Hmmm, but don't services and such run on either processors since they run through windows? Or would windows just resort to using the unutilized proc when gaming?
cmcquistion
05-01-04, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by IMOG
Hmmm, but don't services and such run on either processors since they run through windows? Or would windows just resort to using the unutilized proc when gaming?
What I'm saying is that if you have a single-CPU, then every process has to by run by the same CPU you're trying to game on. If you have a dually, then those processes get split up and accomplished by the spare CPU cycles. As a result, they don't slow down your game.
I.M.O.G.
05-01-04, 10:15 PM
I see, I guess that would have some effect.
It makes sense that all the background tasks could be run on the other processor, but this isn't usually a lot unless you are trying to do something else while gaming. Sure, it would be faster if you want to burn a DVD while playing a game, but if you just want to play a game, the services and background stuff that you have to have running in the background just don't require all that much power.
No Hijacking LOL..Who games on there dual ? What is your fav game ?
I play everything on my duals. I recently switched one of my K7D-L master and 2 xp1900 into my main gaming rig with a 9600 pro on it. I can play everything just fine.
I've gamed on a two of my duals, K7D and e7505. The others are optimized for IO and filestorage with slower processors and minimal video. Never any trouble, other than running out of available hours for me to play.
Mostly RTS and some older FPS stuff.
Mr.Guvernment
05-03-04, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by diehrd
I am amazed at the misconception that games dont play well on a dual..I have gamed for as long as AMD has made dual's and never experenced any problems..
Any one else game out here in SMP LAND ? Whats your fav game...
it really has little to do with whether the game will play or not - that is not the misconecption - it is more so the people who want to build a hardcore gaming machine and think dualies are the way to go - this is not the case since very few if no games are optimized for dual CPU's. - this is the misconception - is that a dual system will play games and use both cpus for it, that is the misunderstanding in most cases.
Some people do notice slight slow downs on older duallie systems, and single CPU system are shown to give better performance - but it is not like with a dual opteron 2ghz your games will run that much slower you will actually see lag and such over say a 2ghz single system.
Also as said more games now are more so vid card dependant and less cpu intensive - unless you havea 1ghz cpu and a 9800XT - then your cpu is the bottle neck most likely.
I use mine for gaming quite a bit. Dual 2500's@133x15 with a softmodded 9800SE (the 256-bit one, so exactly the same as a 9800Pro). The main problem is memory bandwidth. On K7 duals, the video card suffers noticably from lack of bandwidth. In BF1942 (1024x768, everything cranked) I get brief drops in framerates particularily in big maps. When running the same card on a NF2 system (dual-channel PC3200) the blips aren't there. Admittedly, there's a lot of other things different between the two systems, but I suspect it's memory bandwidth that's getting it. I'd expect that K8 duallies wouldn't suffer from the same problem, but I lack the $$$ required to give it a go :)
Apart from that, though, everything runs very nicely. The only "compatibility" problem I've had is with GTA3, which sometimes crashes if it's not locked to one CPU. As for my favourite game, at the moment it's Deus Ex. I got part of the way through a year or so ago, then got distracted. It's even more fun the second time around :)
Mr.Guvernment
05-03-04, 02:17 AM
If you can run dual opterons in a proper dual board (eaning not an MSI that has CPU1 going through CPU0 to access memory)
your issue would not be a problem - but as said - $$$$$$ for that!
I can't wait for microtrash to release XP 64........NUMA......yum yum.
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it really has little to do with whether the game will play or not - that is not the misconecption - it is more so the people who want to build a hardcore gaming machine and think dualies are the way to go - this is not the case since very few if no games are optimized for dual CPU's. - this is the misconception - is that a dual system will play games and use both cpus for it, that is the misunderstanding in most cases.
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For a few years now most people have moved from "wow 2cpu and a game is twice as fast" To Gaming on a dual is not good and may even not work at all.
I have witnessed this opinion change first hand.That is why I started this thread. In 1 post someone said a Dual is choppy and buggy while gaming. So thats why there is a change in the question as it is traditionally seen.
emboss:::::: Disable Punk Buster and try the game.I can not imagine you having a bottle neck for a game that only requires an 800MHz cpu which if I remember right was a 100FSB box in the day.Also I set my system to 100FSB and ran the game without a hitch so lowering the fsb by 66MHZ produced no adverse game play at all for me. Which it should have if the memory was a bottle neck.
Mr.Guvernment
05-03-04, 01:55 PM
^^ good point 0 i have not been to 2puc.com myself alot so your are likely more right then me for that - that is just what i gathered from the forums i go to :)
It is kind of sad really how thoughts like that get around and how so many people just beleive it with out questionsing it or looking for facts. Alot of people like to jump on the bandwagon because they think it is the thing to do to be cool!
Sorry, meant Desert Combat (which doesn't have PB yet), not BF1942. It only does it sometimes, but most often when in one of the 'copters, and popping up over a ridge to ambush large groups of tanks/people. There's just a momentary pause as each thing comes into view, but once everything's on it runs smoothly (hence my guess that it's bandwidth limited as opposed to GPU/CPU limited).
Also, I'm not sure you'd be able to run DC reasonably with everything cranked on a P3/800 with anything short of a FX6800 :)
zeRo-liMit
05-04-04, 01:15 PM
My gaming system is dual 1.4GHz tuallies and a 9800Pro.
I'm currently playing Farcry and it's very smooth running 1280x1024 with all settings on "very high" (except AA, which is on medium). Clearly this has a lot to do with the video card :), but I want to point out that my motherboard has a Serverworks chipset - meaning my AGP is 2X and has no fast write support or anything.
The moral of the story is: Even with gimped AGP and ECC PC133, a dual can game just as well as any single - provided you have a half decent video card.
Other games I have been playing:
-Lineage2 beta
-UT2004 Demo
-Painkillers Demo
DayUSeX
05-04-04, 06:23 PM
oh hell yeah i game with my duallie!
Best part is people love to have me at lans where they dont have a dedicated server.
While all my friends machiens that range from 1.4~2.8 ghz with 128~512mb range all lag like crazy and are unplayable when they host, me on the other hand host all the games, no one compalins of lag, and i can play all games at 1280x1024 wiht no fuss or muss, smooth as buttah!!
duallies pwn at lans!
Originally posted by DayUSeX
oh hell yeah i game with my duallie!
Best part is people love to have me at lans where they dont have a dedicated server.
While all my friends machiens that range from 1.4~2.8 ghz with 128~512mb range all lag like crazy and are unplayable when they host, me on the other hand host all the games, no one compalins of lag, and i can play all games at 1280x1024 wiht no fuss or muss, smooth as buttah!!
duallies pwn at lans!
I am doing a lan this summer..If I can get my system into my truck ..I plan on being the host if thay will let me.... Duals do rule..lol
I.M.O.G.
05-04-04, 06:44 PM
Good luck with that "lan rig" diehrd! haha... There is a small forklift I could probably swipe from an old factory out here in the country if you think you might need it. ;)
I play all sorts of games on my dualies. Mainly into the FPS type games, however, a little RTS never hurt right??
Here is the games list from most played to least, respectively: CS1.3, CS1.6, UT2k4,COD, BF Viet, StarCraft BW, WCIII, Spellforce, SimCity4, CrimsonLand.
I am rarely playing a game without having the computer crunch away at some other process. Most commonly would be decoding DVD's, on the fly DVD copy, Solid Edge rendering, or ripping CSI off of the TV.
So, there are many many good reasons to be a dualie owner! So treat yours with respect and dont forget to put osme TLC on her once in a while :)
- 2iC
rogerdugans
05-04-04, 06:52 PM
My duallie is an old 1Ghz P3- but in its day I did indeed game with it. :)
Worked great.
If I tossed a decent video card in it, I expect it would perform credibly with most modern games still.
AS far as that lan.......if needed, I have a generator in the truck and long cat5 cables. :D
Mr.Guvernment
05-04-04, 07:56 PM
I just for my dual slot 1 Tyan board with built in ultra SCSI 3 (160) controllers - going to have dual 733 pIII in it and going to put in my old ATI aiw - use it as a ripping machine and who knows what else!
walaka7
05-05-04, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by diehrd
I am doing a lan this summer..If I can get my system into my truck ..I plan on being the host if thay will let me.... Duals do rule..lol
Why not permenetly mount it to a motorized pallet jack :)
I game with my Dual! UT2003 runs just fine at 1600x1200 with my heavily moded R9500np. All I need now is to build my new case so I can take it to lan parties! SCSI is the next planned upgrade!
Scsi rules..I just set up my 15k drive...
Mr.Guvernment
05-07-04, 03:29 PM
^^^ it rules but a new 15k SCSI drive are not cheap - u can actually find some good deals on Ebay for drives - i myself am in need of some SCSI drives now that i got my tyan thunder 2500 mobo yesterday - got an IDE for now but plan to get a 9g drive for O/S - 30g something size drive for programs and a 76g drive for misc stuff.
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