My progress so far with my new watercooling setup, lots of pics

[fallguy]

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Stock buttons on my PC-70.

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Bulgin vandal switches. You can see a slight ding where the drill got away from me. I am going to flatten that out with a pin hammer, you shouldnt be able to see it. The switches glow, blue on top for power, red for HD activity.

[fallguy]

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Radiator being cut out, and finished product.

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[fallguy]

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Res hole marked, being cut out, and smoothing the edges. MUCH better than a puny dremel. :)

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Pump placement.

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Radiator with the cover off. I had to remove the rivets because I had to use bolts, not just screws with these fans.

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Fans bolted to it.

[fallguy]

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Putting rivets back in.. and then the finished product.

I decided to give my brother my res, but the one I want is basically the same, so the hole will work for it. I should have the rest of what I need (res and CPU block) Wednesday, and should be finished by Friday.

Parts are:
Innovatek dual fan radiator
Swiftech MCP600
Aqua-Computer Cuplex Evo Revision 1.1
Aqua-Computer AquaTube Revision 1.1
Tygon 3/8" ID hose.

Aqua-Computer parts by www.snt-systems.com

[sandman001]

Looks nice. Very nice.

[Joe Camel]

:attn: :drool: :clap: :beer:

need i say more?

[Gallapoo]

Love those sandles.... and yeah your setup is pretty nice too :-P

[Timmybighands]

Looks really nice. lets have some pics of your system all installed :) I love a clean looking professional install - AWESOME

[devilscow22]

VERY nice job, its nice and professional sure beats the w/c rigs held together with zip ties and duct tape!. i love those switches looks like they came with the case.

[fallguy]

Thanks for the kind words. :) I do have all my PC parts, other than the video card. I just shipped out my 9800XT last Friday. Waiting to buy a X800 Pro online at a good price. I just havent put them in yet, I will probably tomorrow or the next day.

Here (http://home.comcast.net/~dfall/Comp/Watercooling/2.JPG) is a pic of my last watercooled system. I was pretty happy with it, but I wanted more. Got a Mach II... and now going back to water.

I plan to install a seperate look for my GPU and HD in a few more months. Same pump, and a single fan rad in front. Another Aquatube in front as well.

[aprivats]

Where did you find that nice looking grill on top of the case covering the rad? Did that come with the radiator?

Looks Great.

[fallguy]

No, it was extra. Got it at Highspeedpc.com for $25.

[Ri0]

Very nice looking... Wish I had a workshop :)

[Jo-Jo]

nice work! i dont know how you people cut all the metal away and make it look so easy... how are temps with that radi-d?

[Bevman]

Looks great!

[fallguy]

I havent gotten it up and running yet. Wait on my CPU block, res and video card :/ Ill update tomorrow probably with some more pics of my other hardware inside.

[redken]

Originally posted by Timmybighands
Looks really nice. lets have some pics of your system all installed :) I love a clean looking professional install - AWESOME My thought exactly :)
It would be nice to see more pics of that res. setup.

[fallguy]

I will be getting my res and CPU block in tomorrow, so I can finish then. I did some other little stuff that I can do while Im waiting. Did some wiring for my fans, and put in my Panaflo fans instead of the stock ones. I just had three though, needed four. Ill have to order another.

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Before cutting out the fan guard, and after.

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Little hole I cut on the mobo tray, you wont be able to see it. It just under the mobo itself. Ill be putting my cables thru there as you can see. One set is the USB cables, the other is the power, res, speaker, etc.

[fallguy]

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My wires for my fan controller. Two 120mm's, and then the two front 80mm's. I was thinking of trying the default fan controller for the front two, just to see how it does.

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My two rear 80mm's, under my PSU. It looks like its laying on top of them, but its not. There is a tiny drop off, just enough for my wires to lay in there.

[fallguy]

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Covering up my drive. I had painted it black for my last black Lian Li, and had planned on doing so with this one. But they sent me two ROM covers, and a floppy cover installed with the case. Pretty good deal, as thats about $28 extra...

I will get my CPU block, and Res tomorrow, and I should be able to finish it up. All I will need is a video card. I shipped out my 9800XT last Friday... and waiting on a X800 :(

[devilscow22]

i may have missed this but what kind of case is that?

[InvisGreenMan]

Where is the site that you bought those parts off of located? (www.snt-systems.com) Is it within the US? I really want to get one of those nice-looking grills for my radiator too, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to ship it.

thanks

[ShoNuff]

Originally posted by devilscow22
i may have missed this but what kind of case is that?

It is a Lian Li PC-75 (if it has the window, PC-70 w/ out the window)

[ShoNuff]

Fallguy, what is the tool called that you used to cut the hole for the radiator? I am tempted to use a nibler (sp?) instead of my dremmel to cut the hole for my dual rad. I've never used a nibler before and want to cut a clean hole. The cleaner the hole the less clean up work I will have to do with the dremmel.

The job looks very clean!:thup:

[ShoNuff]

Originally posted by InvisGreenMan
Where is the site that you bought those parts off of located? (www.snt-systems.com) Is it within the US? I really want to get one of those nice-looking grills for my radiator too, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to ship it.

thanks

snt-systems is located in California. Specifically, Burlingame, approximately 20" south of San Francisco.

[Timmybighands]

20" South of SanFran? Isnt that a little close? J/K - nice setup again :)

[InvisGreenMan]

thanks!

[Timmybighands]

The tool he used to cut the radiator "hole" is called a jigsaw. They sure come in handy when cutting straight lines!

[InvisGreenMan]

I cut a 120mm round hole with my dremel and then split some gas line to edge it, but I think I want to expand it to let the fan breathe more freely. I was looking at this (http://snt-systems.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=46) do you think it would make more wooshing noise than my round 120mm with a wire grill?

Fallguys rad just looks to sexy! I want mine to look like that!

[BeerHunter]

Hell ya that's fusken cool stuff can't wait till its done.

LMK when you find a x800xt I'm dying for it.

[fallguy]

Yeah, its a PC-70, no window. Used a jigsaw on the rad hole, with a very fine tooth blade.

I got the res and cpu block from snt, they have really great service. I plan to order a NB block from them very soon, just had to save money for my new video card.

My rad is from highspeedpc.com, its the dual Innovatek one, same for the fan guard. I was going to order one from snt, but they were out. I got impatient, and got one from highspeedpc. snt had some on the way, if only I had asked. :(

As I said, I should get my res and cpu block tomorrow from snt. And my fittings I need from frozencpu as well. I *should* be able to get it done, except for the video card tomorrow. It all depends on how much my 3 month old sleeps.. he comes first. :)

[ShoNuff]

Ha Ha...I got one too!!! A three month old son, that is. :p

I'm also hoping to get my stuff from snt tomorrow. Even though I probably wont get the time to install it until this weekend.

[fallguy]

My tracking number shows it to be in my local UPS depot. Ill get it tomorrow, and a package from frozencpu as well. The next day another package from highspeedpc. Lots of watercooling stuff coming in. :) Doing mine, and then my brothers next.

[learning curve]

looks realy clean so far I can't wait to see the end results keep the pics commin

[fallguy]

Just got the rest of my stuff today.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/53.JPG

Dont have time to assemble it right now though, hopefully later.

The Swiftech blocks are for my brother, same for the second pump, and the single fan rad. The black Innovatek res is his too. Thats my Aqua res, and Aqua CPU block though.

[fallguy]

Ok, got some free time and got most of it together.

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Res, and the "fountain" attachment. Its supposed to spray like a fountian, we'll see about that.

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[fallguy]

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How Ive got it setup. Anyone see any problems? I had to use so much hose because the pump is supposed to suffer an instant death if it doesnt have water at all times. I didnt want to back track so much, but it should push the water fine.

Just got to put in my PSU, and tidy up the wires. Ill take a better shot of the mobo wires I was trying to hide with that hole in the back of the mobo tray.

[learning curve]

every time I look it keeps gettin better an better. Good job

[fallguy]

Thanks!

Got my PSU in, all thats left is my video card. I wish the X800XT's would ship already. :(

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That single molex hanging down is for my video card.

[fallguy]

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I tried to hide the wires, I think I did a pretty good job. The last pic is my mobo and USB wires. Instead of having them come across the bottom of the case, they just come from behind it. Making it much more wireless. :)

As I said, all I need is the video card, and to test for leaks. I dont actually have any distilled water, so Im going to have to wait till tomorrow. Then Ill test it, and it will be a paper weight till I get a video card.

If anyone has any recomendations on how I can place the wires, or tubing, let me know. Always open to sugestions. I was thinking of zipping some of them together. I still need my SATA cable for my HD, and IDE for my ROMs. Both are black, and should be a problem. Just havent put them on yet. And I need some extensions, and splitter for my two back 80mm's. I will have to make a run to CompUSA for those. They shouldnt be a problem either, just run them along the same paths I already have.

[quicksilverXP]

I just wanted to know if that setup, which I believe is 3/8 tubing, is just as good as a system with 1/2ID tubing. I'm debating whether or not to go1/2 inch or 3/8 inch, I prefer the 3/8 inch because it looks a lot cleanerand less bulky.

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by quicksilverXP
I just wanted to know if that setup, which I believe is 3/8 tubing, is just as good as a system with 1/2ID tubing. I'm debating whether or not to go1/2 inch or 3/8 inch, I prefer the 3/8 inch because it looks a lot cleanerand less bulky.

just a bit more resistant...
see the 5th graph here...
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=266553

[sntmods]

Hello Mr. Fall. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, to view the online Installation Manual (http://www.snt-systems.com/manuals/AC_cuplex.html) for a detailed and correct installation of your new Cuplex Evo.

This message will self destruct in T-minus "3," "2," "1"............... :D

In all seriousness now, if you have any questions feel free to ask, we will be there to answer.

-Dan

[brisk]

one word.."WOW". awesome setup. Everything is so professional. btw, the reservoir is awesome..looks damn nice.

[|-Gokou-|]

Ya looks really nice man. I can't wait to get my water cooling stuff. And the X800XT's are shipping out on the 21st of may if you didn't know :). Im getting my new Vapochill LS Tommorrow.

[Cerberus2k7]

hey, any reviews on that res? I like the look of it :D

Kickin' rig you got there man. Keep up the good work. :)

Ok, I just checked High Speed PC for those fangrills, and I can't find them anywhere! You have a linky?

[quicksilverXP]

Ay SNTmods guy, I remember on Hardocp someone said to all Hard users that they would get 10 percent off of any SNT-Systems merchandise. I was wondering if that applies to Ocforum users also since Hardforums is down. just wondering, I was interested in an A64 waterblock.

[fallguy]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
hey, any reviews on that res? I like the look of it :D

Kickin' rig you got there man. Keep up the good work. :)

Ok, I just checked High Speed PC for those fangrills, and I can't find them anywhere! You have a linky?

http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HSPC&Product_Code=InnovaRadDualGuard&Category_Code=Radi

Dont think there are any English reviews of that res, probably some German ones though. Try googling for it.

Just ordered the NB block... since Im waiting for my video card anyhow. Ill redo that CPU block, seems I have it on wrong.

[Cerberus2k7]

Thank you :D are there any other designs? And what section are those things under?

[EPirate]

maybe should of waited to put the Rad on, its hard to get the bubbles out of the Rad without tilting it around. It can really effect cooling sometimes if theres enough air in it. Otherwise your case is looking awsome. Its a huge ass case too i love it.

[sntmods]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
hey, any reviews on that res? I like the look of it :D

MCSEIAM from [H]Forums, who is actually also readying a full set of Aqua-Computer components @ OCfaq.com (http://ocfaq.com) , reviewed the Aquatube for our catalog. AquaTube Review (http://snt-systems.com/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=38&reviews_id=2)

Originally posted by quicksilverXP
Ay SNTmods guy, I remember on Hardocp someone said to all Hard users that they would get 10 percent off of any SNT-Systems merchandise. I was wondering if that applies to Ocforum users also since Hardforums is down. just wondering, I was interested in an A64 waterblock.

You are correct, if you sign up for an account and then email me to add your discount I'll be sure to do it ASAP. If you have any further questions regarding the waterblock for the A64 please just reply here or again just email me. :D

-Dan

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by Cerberus2k7
hey, any reviews on that res? I like the look of it :D


http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/aquatube/

[fallguy]

I have been thinking of selling my MCP600 (just got it Friday..) for a lower GPH pump. Like the Eheim 48, sound like a good idea? Im afraid that the MCP600 will have too much pressure, and raise temps..

[sandman001]

That's impossible. It will perform better than the eheim 48.

But, ygpm.

[Jo-Jo]

thats the nicest plexiglass stuff ive ever seen, where did you get it from?

[fallguy]

http://snt-systems.com/catalog/index.php

[obsolete]

Whats with that WB!?!? I have never seen it before. Looks very interesting though. Anyone have some incite on it? I have been wanting a new WB for my CPU. Currently have a DangerDen RBX =/

[Cerberus2k7]

Originally posted by sntmods

You are correct, if you sign up for an account and then email me to add your discount I'll be sure to do it ASAP. If you have any further questions regarding the waterblock for the A64 please just reply here or again just email me. :D

-Dan

grrr.....discounts make my buy lots of things! Now that res is looking even better...And it would work with what i'm building too

[fallguy]

Originally posted by obsolete
Whats with that WB!?!? I have never seen it before. Looks very interesting though. Anyone have some incite on it? I have been wanting a new WB for my CPU. Currently have a DangerDen RBX =/

Its basically a maze design. They have a new one out, that performs better, its a lot like the new Swiftech blocks. The water hits the middle of the block first, then goes out from the side.

So I fired it up a few mins ago, I guess Ill keep the pump. Its a little whiney, but its supposed to go away in about an hour.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/70.JPG
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You can see the "fountain" spout working, see the ripples? Its hard to capture in a still image, in motion its pretty neat.

I do have a small leak though. :( The LED is encased in plastic, and I overtightened it a tad, and the threads cracked. Ive got one on the way with the NB, snt came thru for me with great customer service. Ive got to drain it anyhow to put my NB block on, Ill swap out the plastic nut thingie then.

All in all, Im pretty happy. Just need a video card. :(

[Jo-Jo]

i wish i knew about this place before making my order. but i still happy with what i got. your setup is really nice! i like the resevoir. are those barb adapters causing any restriction in your loop? i know innovatek stuff uses 1/4id-3/8od?

[fallguy]

No the barbs are the same size as the res threads. They dont restrict the water flow at all, I dont think. By looking at them, it looks like the Innovatek fittings have a slightly larger opening. I got some of Innovateks 1/2" OD fittings, to use on my radiator. I was hoping they would fit in the Aqua stuff too, cause they are both metric, but they didnt. :(

[InvisGreenMan]

Fallguy, don't expect the little bit of noise to go away in an hour. It does get better however. Mine seems like it gets quieter all the time, but the biggest difference I noticed was after it ran a couple days in my leak test setup. Swiftech has a time for bearing wear in, but I don't remember it off hand.

Gotta love that PCP&C 510 Deluxe! I have one too and I will never use another brand of PSU ever again.

Edit: what are your temps? I am very curious because I may do a 3/8ID setup next time if it doesn't affect temps much...easier routing. thx

Edit2: Did you get the waterblock installed with the springs for equal pressure?

[creepy]

Just wondering how you have room to fit the rad. up top w/o it running into the psu in the back or the cd rom(s) in the front. Or do you have the roms mounted lower. I have been wanting to mount my rad like this for awhile but seem to have the problem of not having enough room in between the psu and cd rom(s).

[fallguy]

Invis, yeah the 510 is awesome. :) I dont know my temps yet, I dont have a video card for it, so I cant boot up. :( Waiting on a NB block from snt too, should get that next Thursday. I sold and shipped off my 9800XT last week. Waiting on a X800XT to come out.

I had the CPU block mounted wrong, I have since corrected it. sntmods posted a link on how to do it right.

creepy, yeah my roms are down low. Ive just got two, a Sony 8x DVD, and a 8x Sony DRU530a dual format DVD burner. Then the fan controller up top, that leaves the three middle empty. I could have easily used the 3 120mm fan rad, and still had room for the res up top.

[ShoNuff]

Originally posted by fallguy
I have been thinking of selling my MCP600 (just got it Friday..) for a lower GPH pump. Like the Eheim 48, sound like a good idea? Im afraid that the MCP600 will have too much pressure, and raise temps..

I was wondering how the MCP600 would perform in a low flow system. It may be too powerful.

You could get the DC powered 1046 made by Aqua Computer?
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/images/WAPU_002_1k.jpg http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/images/WAPU_002_2k.jpg

I've been seriously thinking abut this one.

[InvisGreenMan]

I am excited to see how your setup turns out! I think am going to build my next computer with the PC-75 too, but with TECs on the CPU and GPU and a much larger rad. I have all my WC junk jammed into my PC-65 now and it is cramped. I actually took the stuff out because I had a custom waterblock breakdown, and am trying to find a temporary replacement while I refine and mill my design.

[Jo-Jo]

where did you buy all your stuff from? i want to see more pics please:D

[fallguy]

highspeedpc.com for the rad, guard and tubing. frozencpu.com for the pump, and 3/8" ID compression fittings, sntsystems.com for the cpu block, res, and nb block.

Im probably all done with pics for now. Waiting for my NB block, and video card. Should have it up and going in about two weeks..

[rhino56]

man that is sweet, i love that waterfall.

[Dukemurmur]

THAT RES ROCKS!! how much was it?? i also like that CPU WB how does it compair to the current "leaders"?

[fallguy]

The res and mounting plate was like $85 I think.

I have not gottem my system up yet, so I dont know the temps.

[nigely]

Originally posted by Dukemurmur
THAT RES ROCKS!! how much was it?? i also like that CPU WB how does it compair to the current "leaders"?

i love the res.
i have one too

http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=54907

[fallguy]

Well... I guess Ill do another small update. Got my NB block in, and added it to the loop. Its leak testing now. I had a VERY hard time getting the Tygon to not kink from the CPU to the NB. I tried various lengths of hose, and different configurations.. finally got it, I think. Had to use the weight of the other hose, to hold it down, to keep from kinking.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/74.JPG

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http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/77.JPG

So now my system is 100% ready.. except for my video card. In hindsight, I should have waited a few weeks before selling my 9800XT :(

[fallguy]

And while Im posting, here are a few pics of my brothers 9600 AIW. The MCW20 block wouldnt fit by default, so we had to do a little modification.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/AIW1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/AIW2.JPG

His system is fully up. He has a Swiftech PCP600 pump, Swiftech CPU, NB, and GPU block. Innovatek single fan res, and their copy-cay Aqua-Computer Res. Same case as me, in fact its my old one.

(and yes he put too much AS on, I fixed that for him..)

[Mr.Guvernment]

hot dam! you just so motivated me to do my external WC system again..lol here i was about to sell all my stuff


i LOVE thet resevoir and waterblock! - i think you just started a new fad with that fountain resovoir.

How is it for getting air out of the system?

[Mr.Guvernment]

Originally posted by Ri0
Very nice looking... Wish I had a workshop :)


you said it!!! sure beats using a dremel!

[Jo-Jo]

nice pics! thanks for telling me about SNT-Systems. i chatted with Dan, he's a great guy. i got some more water cooling toys from him.

[sntmods]

Originally posted by Jo-Jo
nice pics! thanks for telling me about SNT-Systems. i chatted with Dan, he's a great guy. i got some more water cooling toys from him.

Thanks for all the kind words guys, both business and personal.

I like how the setup is coming along [Fallguy], you'll be hearing from me later on tonight once I become available for chat. Remember to include some pictures for my customer's image gallery once you're done. :D

-Dan

[fallguy]

The foutain I think helps with filling the system. The res has three holes on the bottom, and two on the side you can use. I am using two bottom for in/out. One for the LED. With the fountian, I can fill the res and it doesnt go down the up, not that it would matter much. I do like the effect too. The LED is very bright, it shines to the ceiling.. and mine is 10 foot.

Dan is a great guy. Always very helpful, and polite. Even gave me another nut for my LED that I cracked for over tightening. I just wish I could leave some feedback on resellerratings.com For some reason it always asks me to login, after I already did and try to leave a msg. Even cleared my cookies and such. Going to try to reg with my wifes email and try again.. :sigh: So for you others, dont forget!! :)

Ill take some good pics when I get it all up and going for you to put in your gallery.

In a few months (6 or so prolly) I plan to add a second loop for my GPU and HD. I plan to get another res, the new ATi block from Aqua-Computer at snt (or maybe the RAM blocks and the GPU block), and their HD cooler. But thats down the road.. I just want a video card now. :(

[InvisGreenMan]

Then ship that work of art my way. ;)

[fallguy]

Ship what your way... ? Im keeping it how it is, when I add a second loop. Im just going to put the res in the 3.5" bay, the single fan rad where to the 80mm's are, and the pump just beside the other one.

The last system I had, when I kept on adding blocks, my temps went up. I had a CPU, NB, GPU, and HD block all on the same loop. With a D-Tek Pro heatercore, and a Eheim 1048. I started out with just the CPU... then the GPU... then the HD... then the NB. I want to keep them seperate this time. :)

This is my last system which I just described.

http://home.comcast.net/~dfall/Comp/Watercooling/2.JPG

[InvisGreenMan]

The whole system of course! You need a new project after this one is completed, and I suppose I can find it in myself to take this one off your hands.

[fallguy]

Well, how nice of you! ;) I think Ill be keeping it for a while though. I *might* move it to the new Lian Li case, when the full tower ones come out.

[InvisGreenMan]

Gosh, I just love the way you mounted that rad! I have been thinking about selling my PC-65, so I can get a larger rad and mount it similarly to yours. It is so sleek looking. Really good job again man.

[fallguy]

I had a PC-6x as well. It was my first watercooled case... and it was pretty cramped. :)

I just wish I had waited and gotten the Aqua-Computer fan guard :/ If I put it on now, I would have to do a little more cutting. Something I really dont want to do at this time.

[InvisGreenMan]

I am really trying to control myself from buying one of those aquacomputer gaurds for my single 120mm rad. It would look so nice on top of my case instead of a plain-jane 120mm grill. Plus there would be no need for the rubber molding around the hole. Argh, damn case moddding urges!

[nigely]

you mean like this?

[Jo-Jo]

YES! more pics, i want to see more pics and some close ups of the fittings too.

[nigely]

http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6364&perpage=15&pagenumber=2

go here

[Jo-Jo]

does that tygon tube get any chalky build up on the inner walls? my cheap home depot does, with plain water, i think its from the copper and brass, all the residues staining the inner walls of my tubing. will tygon stay nice and crystal clear from day one?

[JDizzle]

Wow, that's a nice fan gaurd you have over the rad. Did you get that at sns too?

That's a nice MCW50 you have on the 9600;) .

[fallguy]

nigely, same fans as me. :) I put them under though because I dont like the way they look.

[nigely]

there is no mounting hole on the other side of the radiator
iam getting a new radiator, HTF triple ver.2

[fallguy]

Well... Im running out of things to do while waiting. So I applied some Akasa Paxmat (which frozencpu.com put their name on, in white :mad: ). Trying to keep it all black as much as possible.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/78.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/80.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/81.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/85.JPG

You can see in the last pic where they had their logo.. I used black magic marker, but you can still see it. Ill go over it a few more times to try and hide it.

[fallguy]

Still trying to keep my wires tidy, I decided to try and piggy back some together to keep it more simple.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/82.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/83.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/87.JPG

Wires for my mobo and USB. My USB wire loom is too small, and seperates too much. Im going to get some bigger tomorrow.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/84.JPG

I didnt have enough for the mobo and USB wires in front. And what I did have scrapes of is too small as seen in the last pic. I plan to get some more tomorrow, so you shouldnt be able to seem them very much.

I REALLY wish my pump was black.. Im -- close to selling it and getting the black one from cooltechnica, seen here. (http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AQX-50Z-DC12) Its the same, but black. They will even have 3/8" barbs to fit.. Ive thought about painting it, but dont want to void the warranty. I may try to use electrical tape.. but it might look tacky.

Comments? Looks better or worse? I am thinking about putting some on the right side of the mobo tray, where it is silver. I didnt have enough, and Ill have to get some more to do it. Dang PC-70 doors are so big :/

[BlueMan]

awsome sound mat! Can that stuff be bought generically at like home depot or something?

[fallguy]

I dont think so, but who knows. Ive never seen it there, but I dont recall looking for it. You might be able to find some at a audio store of some kind.

[ShoNuff]

Looking better and better. Where did you get the right angled black SATA cable from?

[fallguy]

Hmmm, I actually dont remember. I know Ive never bought a SATA cable by itself. I must have gotten it with some hardware piece. I just checked my 3 IC7 MAX3 boxes, and all of them are just normal ones.

I know you can buy them at a 90 degree angle, but I dont remember doing so. So in short, Im not much help. :( It might have came with my Raptor, I dont know.

edit, I didnt even think of using a straight one. I just used the one I was using. It would actually look better.. one more thing to change. Thanks for the heads up.. even if you didnt mean to. :)

[Aphex_Tom_9]

wow. looking really damn good.

[EvilTool]

:thup: Very nice rig.. All those components compliment each other.

[Gallapoo]

Love what you've done with it, turning out good.

[ShoNuff]

Originally posted by fallguy
Hmmm, I actually dont remember. I know Ive never bought a SATA cable by itself. I must have gotten it with some hardware piece. I just checked my 3 IC7 MAX3 boxes, and all of them are just normal ones.

I know you can buy them at a 90 degree angle, but I dont remember doing so. So in short, Im not much help. :( It might have came with my Raptor, I dont know.

edit, I didnt even think of using a straight one. I just used the one I was using. It would actually look better.. one more thing to change. Thanks for the heads up.. even if you didnt mean to. :)

I could really help you if you would be so kind as to send the whole box to me and then I could test it with my video card until your X800 comes in. :p

[fallguy]

I think I can manage.. :)

[fallguy]

Well, got it up and running. I pulled a very old (10 years or so) PCI video card from a PC to test with. WinXP cant find drivers for it, and I have no idea what make/model it is. So it only does 4bit.. and 640x480. :(

My CPU temp is 41c idle, on a IC7 MAX3 and a 2.8E. Abit reads high.. but Im not sure how high. Im using AS5, and I havent tried to overclock yet. Ill try later on tonight.

Also got my brothers watercooled PC setup. His says 31c at idle, with a 2.4c. Will take some pics of his soon too.

[ShoNuff]

What were your idle temps with the Swiftech setup? All things being equal, I would hope your new cpu block would best the Swiftech by at least 2-3c.

Has your pump quieted down yet? I would love to get another MCP600 however my experience with the first one makes me gun shy.

[fallguy]

When I had that Swiftech setup, I had a P4C800 Deluxe, and a 3.0c. Now I have an IC7 MAX3 and a 2.8E, so I cant really compare.

The pump is pretty quiet to me now, I dont think I can hear it with the case side on.

[SillyBob]

Looks great, very clean. foam padding looks good too.. :)

[Gallapoo]

What type of sleeving is that on your PSU cables?

[Gallapoo]

Oh yeah, and what dide you use to bind up whatever the is in the PCI slot, looks like a sound card

[fallguy]

Originally posted by Gallapoo
What type of sleeving is that on your PSU cables?

That came with my PSU. Its a PC Power&Cooling 510 ATX Deluxe. It came presleved.


Originally posted by Gallapoo
Oh yeah, and what dide you use to bind up whatever the is in the PCI slot, looks like a sound card

Its a sound card, and Audigy Z2. Im not sure I under stand your question though. Those wires are the wires to my mobo, and USB. I ran them behind the mobo, and cut a hole for them. They pop out and I plugged them in. That way they dont come across the bottom of the case.

[Gallapoo]

Oh yeah those, what did you use to wrap them, looks like heavy duty electrical tape or something.

[fallguy]

Just some wire loom. Found in the audio section on most places.

[quicksilverXP]

Ay Fallguy, was it difficult putting those 3/8 ID over the 1/2OD connections on the MCP600? Is i also hard to take it off also?

[Raider84]

i would suspect you would have to cut the tubing to take it off of the pump, but to but 3/8 tubing over a 1/2OD pump you just soak the tubing in very hot water and they become soft as hell. That's coming from my experience at least.

[fallguy]

Yes it was hard, but not too hard. I used a blow torch to heat it up. :) Just a little hard to try and find the "sweet" spot for it. Not too hot as to where it melts it, but not too cold to where doesnt help. Ive also done it with a lighter, and it works ok, just took a little more time.

I would really like the barbs that cooltechnica should have soon. When they release them, Ill pick them up.

[[KX3]rAge]

So is the MCP600 a fairly quiet pump?? I'm looking to get one myself...

[fallguy]

Yes it is. If you want a black one, check out cooltechnica. They have the same pump, but its black. Wish I had gotten one. :/

[[KX3]rAge]

awesome!
thanks, but I like the blue, black doesn't go well in my system :rolleyes:
as long as it's quiet...

[CAPiTA]

Fallguy,

That is one of the cleanest systems I have ever seen. Very original in its own way. The rad looks awesome mounted at the top like that. Especially with the grill, very professional. About the pump; I would say go for the black paint job, it would look even better.

[fallguy]

Thanks, CAPiTA!

Well... I have no changed my mind (again) on what I want to do. I just sold my IC7 MAX3+2.8E today, and am ordering a NF2 250 mobo+3200+ A64. I cant seem to make up my mind. The board is black, so it will still match.. but the extra power connector to the mobo is in an aweful spot. Just above the AGP... going to get it there without a huge wire right down the middle of the mobo. :/

Also, I sent back the P4 CPU block mounting hardware, and the Intel NB block to snt today. They agreed to change them out for me free of charge, since they have a 30 day money back quarantee. Most places wont take back watercooling stuff, period. Another reason I am most happy with them. :)

[JDizzle]

What kind of nf3 250 board do you plan on getting? Check out the new MSI board that is supposed to be coming out (or is it already out?).

[fallguy]

Chaintech has one for $77 at zipzoomfly. Its not the 250gb, but I dont need gigabyte lan, or the 7.1 audio. I already have a Audigy 2 ZS.

I have never used their mobos before, but Im going to give it a shot. It has AGP/PCI lock, thats the most important part. I REALLY wanted MSI's new board, but its not out yet. Few weeks so I hear.

[dvandervelde]

Absoluetly impressive.

[quicksilverXP]

The Chaintech is pretty good. In order to overclock you need the latest bios before you do anything, otherwise, temps will be way off.

[Neco]

god damn, that store is expensive

[fallguy]

Try ordering Aqua-Computer parts from Germany.. and then see how expensive it is. :) Its the only US based vender for the parts that I know of.

quicksilverXP, yeah Ive read that, thanks. It appears that mobo is back ordered now.. ugh.

[quicksilverXP]

Ay fallguy, I ordered the black pump from Cooltechnica, but I accidentally forgot to get it with the adjustable 1/2inch NPT threaded connections. You said that cooltechnica would sell parts for this interchangeability. Do you just place these adaptors over the straight connections of the pump? How did you find out they were selling these soon?

[fallguy]

There was a thread a few pages back with the link to the pump at cooltechnica. In that thread there was also some pics of the interchangable fittings. I dont think they are for sale yet, or they werent then.

[pauldenton]

Originally posted by fallguy
There was a thread a few pages back with the link to the pump at cooltechnica. In that thread there was also some pics of the interchangable fittings. I dont think they are for sale yet, or they werent then.
available now i think....
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=C&Category_Code=P

[oc613]

nice looking rig man, keep up the good work. :)

[quicksilverXP]

No, my problem is I purchased the pumpwithout the threading. That is fallguys problem also as the MCP600 doesn't have any adaptors so you can just stick a 3/8 OD barb on it. I was wondering if Cooltechnica will ever sell adapters for the pumps with just straight connections. It looks like they just added the threading somehow, perhaps its just a piece of plastic with threading that they fit around the straight connections.

[quicksilverXP]

Ay Fallguy..... how many packets of Pax Mate did you have to purchase for your Lian-Li PC75?

[pauldenton]

No, my problem is I purchased the pumpwithout the threading. That is fallguys problem also as the MCP600 doesn't have any adaptors so you can just stick a 3/8 OD barb on it. I was wondering if Cooltechnica will ever sell adapters for the pumps with just straight connections. It looks like they just added the threading somehow, perhaps its just a piece of plastic with threading that they fit around the straight connections.

looks to me as if it's a different front with threaded fittings (lots of pumps have these - eg iwaki "t" pumps) - you could try emailing them to ask if they can supply you one i guess)

i don't think 3/8" OD fittings would be a good move - swiftech urge you not to use restrictive fittings with less than 3/8" ID on the inlet loop.
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/MCP600installationguide.pdf

[fallguy]

I find it kinda funny Swiftech doesnt want you to use "restricive fittings" when all of their other products are 3/8" ID. The pump is the only 1/2" ID thing they market.

Quicksilver, I had to use two of them. It was about 1&1/2 or 1&2/3 total used.

I just got my new mobo, and AMD blocks (thanks again snt!) to go along with my 3400+ I got yesterday. I should be up and running tomorrow.

[RickCain]

fallguy - lets us know how your temps are when you get the A64 running. I'm also interested to see if the Chaintech has AGP/PCI lock as my Abit K8V-Pro doesn't yet......

[fallguy]

I did get it up and going, but the factory BIOS reports temps off. It says 2c now :rolleyes: There is a beta bios I used, and it reported the temp at 30c, stock and idle. I tried to overclock, but I havent overclocked an AMD for some time now, other than my Biostart SFF. All I did to it was set the jumper to 166fsb for my 1800+, to get 1.9gig from it.

There are so many options that Im not used to, like HT. Default it 4x, but Ive read that you have to lower it to overclock high. Ive gotten it up to 235fsb for 2.6gig, up from 2.2gig. Thats with the stock multiplier of 11x. Again, the factory bios doesnt have a multiplier option, but the beta one does. You cant raise it, but you can lower it. There is also lots of memory options.. Im going to have to do some research before I can master this board.

Later tonight Ill try and get up some pics with it. I just stopped in from a "date" with my wife, her mom has our 5 year old, and mine has our 4 months old. Going to get them now. Rode my bike, had to come home to get the car. :) Im using a old crappy 9200SE PCI card till I get my X800. The mobo locks the AGP, but I havent seen a PCI lock. Maybe I missed it.. but it should be right next to the AGP frequency option. I dont know if thats hurting me, when I go any higher than 235fsb, I get a blue screen with an error with the ATi driver, and I have to reboot. So it seems like it is.

All in all, Im very pleased with this $77 NF3 250 board, easy to setup, and seems to have lots of options for overclocking. I wish it went higher than 1.7v for the CPU though, thats a little too low I think.

edit, here is a pic of 230fsb, was pressed for time and didnt get a 235pic.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/230FSB.jpg

[EwoutvB]

you mean like this?

Nigely whered you buy that? I've been looking for ages trying to find that grill for my Airplex 240...

BTW very nice system I love it :) did you sell that MCP600??

[fallguy]

http://snt-systems.com/catalog/index.php

They carry lots of Aqua-Computer parts. Great customer service, and very dependable too. Dan has gone out oh his way twice to help me.

No, I didnt sell it yet. Im still undecided if I want to. I want the black version, but dont want to go thru the hassle of selling this, and buying one. Losing about $20 in the process. I may paint it, but Ill probably just be too lazy and leave it alone for now. :/

[EwoutvB]

http://snt-systems.com/catalog/index.php

They carry lots of Aqua-Computer parts. Great customer service, and very dependable too. Dan has gone out oh his way twice to help me.

No, I didnt sell it yet. Im still undecided if I want to. I want the black version, but dont want to go thru the hassle of selling this, and buying one. Losing about $20 in the process. I may paint it, but Ill probably just be too lazy and leave it alone for now. :/

I got a european Eheim 1250, it's less pressure than the MCP600...

Problem is it runs on 50 hertz, never tried it on 60 hertz (us system).

Wow that snt system site is overpriced, I can get the grill for 20 bucks in Europe and I thought that was bad.

[pauldenton]

I got a european Eheim 1250, it's less pressure than the MCP600...

Problem is it runs on 50 hertz, never tried it on 60 hertz (us system).

Wow that snt system site is overpriced, I can get the grill for 20 bucks in Europe and I thought that was bad.

well at 60hz you would be running the motor faster: higher flow and head would result... but how long it'd last is anyone's guess...

[ShoNuff]

Wow that snt system site is overpriced, I can get the grill for 20 bucks in Europe and I thought that was bad.

By the time you add up shipping and the wait times (Customs etc.,), snt-systems looks real good. In addition to that, I would rather have a local guy who will answer my questions (and emails) due the simple fact I don't speak German. :cool:

[EwoutvB]

well at 60hz you would be running the motor faster: higher flow and head would result... but how long it'd last is anyone's guess...

Actualy I bet due to the design of the engine it probably won't start without some help, once it starts running it probably would be like 10 percent faster. The engine would start, but due to the higher hz would probably kick back continuously unless you manualy start it, I haven't tried it yet. I might soon who knows it might actualy work...


It's still a ripp off that website, 30 dollars?? With shipping like 35 bucks for an item already overpriced at 22?

[fallguy]

Show me where you can get it cheaper in the US. Customs and shipping are annoying from over seas. That, and the fact snt is US based, and you wouldnt have to wait weeks to get it.

Aqua parts are expensive no matter which side of the ocean you are on. But importing them makes them even more so.

[fallguy]

Ok... time for an update! I have it 98% done. All I have left to do is, replace the craptastic 9200SE PCI that Im using now, with a X800 when it comes in. Put some of the black Paxmate beside the mobo where the tray is too big and is silver aluminum, and figure out if I really want to make that pump black.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/89.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/92.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/93.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/94.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/95.JPG

[fallguy]

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/96.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/97.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/98.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/99.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/100.JPG

[fallguy]

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/101.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/104.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/109.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/110.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/91.JPG

Tried to keep the wires out of the way.

[fallguy]

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/112.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/114.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/115.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/116.jpg

I took a movie with my digi came of the res in action, Ill try to host it later.

[fallguy]

Here is that avi for the Aquares. Its about 2meg, hopefully Comcast wont delete the file like they did last time... :mad:

Aquares in action. (http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/Aquares.AVI)

[BlueAqua2]

Great Job. I really like your setup. I love the Aqua Computer stuff. I'll definitely be buying some from SNT systems. Their customer service is the best I've seen, can't beat that. Very nice and clean setup.

[ShoNuff]

Has your pump quieted down yet? If so, how would you compare the noise to your 1048?

I just got my NexXxos HP Pro, GPX and Twinplex (NB block) set up and installed. The flow is less than my Swiftech gear. Temps are significantly better even with the restrictive flow. I just wonder how much my temps would improve with the pump from cooltechnica. I purchased the original MCP600 and it was outrageously loud; got damaged in transit back to Swiftech and I was out $80. :mad: So, this time I’m very cautious.

Looks good by the way. Are you going to use the NexXxos GPX water block on your X800? Looking forward to your stats once you get it all done.

[fallguy]

Its pretty quiet, not as quiet as my 1048 though. I cant hear it with the side panel on though, so its ok.

I dont know which block Im going to use yet, Id like to use that new ATi block from snt, it wont be out for about another month I think.

[cfuk]

I love the system Fallguy :), you can design my set up if you like lol.

[quicksilverXP]

Damn you fallguy! You just made me spend too much at SNT-systems. I was satisfied with my current setup, but the look of 3/8 tubing and the quietmess of a 1048 over an MCP600 forced me to do so. Just hoping the 1048 is enough, if not, I'll try the Innovatek version which has better head (at least I know its quieter than the MCP).

[fallguy]

Heh, mission complete!

You will be happy with them, I sorta wish I had gotten a 1048 again. I REALY wish Aqua-Computer would come out with a 1048 version of their pump.

[quicksilverXP]

They have this style of pump, but one that has double the performance and is 12v. It is the 900 version and is supposedly dead quiet, more so than the 1048 and the cost is 93 dollars (cheaper than what they have for the 700. Another version to consider is the Innovatek 12vpump (its at highspeedpc) which has mor power than the 1048. The innovatek is only 10 dollars more than the
http://snt-systems.com/catalog/images/aqua-computer/timmer12v.jpg

[Eshiku]

you have one of the most nice looking w/c setup

[quicksilverXP]

Ay Fallguy, what size Tygon are you using? I know its 3/8, but what size OD and wall. thanks.

[fallguy]

Its 1/2" OD. I got it from highspeedpc.com

[quicksilverXP]

Ok. Let's say I have the exact same layout as you with an Nforce 3. My setup is pretty much standard with my routing going directly to the graphcis card from the CPU block. I bought the twinplex GPU block, but noticed that the barbs were so close together that the thick walled (1/8 inch, twice yours) is too thick to fit in between those barbs. My question is if I get tubing with smaller walls, will it easily kink from the CPu to the GPU? Have you had problems with kinking in your setup before?

[BeerHunter]

What motherboard are you using fallguy and does it have PCI/AGP lock?

[fallguy]

Ok. Let's say I have the exact same layout as you with an Nforce 3. My setup is pretty much standard with my routing going directly to the graphcis card from the CPU block. I bought the twinplex GPU block, but noticed that the barbs were so close together that the thick walled (1/8 inch, twice yours) is too thick to fit in between those barbs. My question is if I get tubing with smaller walls, will it easily kink from the CPu to the GPU? Have you had problems with kinking in your setup before?

It shouldnt kink up too much. Keep in mind, my Tygon kinked up some, and I had to work with it to make it not. Clearflex is pretty good stuff, its more rigid. My brother uses some he got from Home Depot, for like $2 for 10'. Its still 1/2" OD, and 3/8" ID. They have a lot of different sizes to work with down there.

What you could do, is use your tubing that you've got already, and then just use a smaller diameter hose from the CPU to GPU block. Then use the larger tubing again from there. Might not look so good though.

What motherboard are you using fallguy and does it have PCI/AGP lock?

Its a Chaintech VNF3-250. Yes it has a AGP/PCI lock, and is overall a very good board.

btw, got my x800 Pro on the way, FINALLY. :) Will be here tomorrow.

[quicksilverXP]

what GPU block will you be using?

[fallguy]

One of Auqa's probably. Their new one doesnt fit the X800's though. :( Its the one I really wanted. Alpha Cool is supposed to have a new one that cools the ram+GPU at once I think though. Its going to be months down the road when I do it, hopefully Aqua has one out by then.

Ill probably update this with some more pics tomorro, plan to finish it off.

[quicksilverXP]

what are you talking about? The 9000 series have the same mounting holes as the new x800s. I know because I have a Sapphire X800pro (with XT 16pipe mod). I have the twinplex block and its SO beautiful. But I agree, the alpa cool looks like it will cool much better. I just got the Twinles because I wanted something less restrictive.

[fallguy]

The memory is in a different spot, so Im told.

I just got my X800 Pro in, but I dont really remember if its different than my 9800XT.

This is what I wanted; http://snt-systems.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_24&products_id=85

You cant tell from that pic, but it cools the memory too. Dan from snt said he tried it on a X800 Pro, and the memory didnt match up to the block where the ram was.

btw, I was thinking of trying that mod.. is it reversable if it doesnt work? All you do is just dab some conductive paint, right? Then if it does work, and you want to to be permanent you put some fingernail gloss to hold it?

[quicksilverXP]

that is correct, but you must make sure your serial number is GAXXXXX.1 or something like that and that its not a Built By Ati card. I've had both a Visiontek and an ATI X800 Proand both did not mod. The Sapphire ones seem to have the best success rate, and you don't even need to scrape anything in between those two points I just scraped the top points til they were shiny and use a conductive pen to join them together. If it doesn't work, nothin gwill happen to your card, you will just have a mark thats all. Perhaps some acetone will get it off, I don't recall how to take off conductive pen liquid.

Also, that waterblock will not work indeed. The ram placements are totally different than the 9800s. Just get these ramsinks http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/ram-19.html I've only heard good things about them, and after playing with my X800s, those chips can get really hot(if overclocked).

[fallguy]

I didnt know you had to scrape anything off. The how-to-do-it url I saw showed the close up pic of the bridges, then the paint on them connecting them. If you've got another link to show me that would be great. Or perhaps you can pm me with some detailed instuctions and some pics if you have them. :) Ill look at my core tonight to see if its a .1 or not. I have a BB ATi board.

I couldnt find any Paxmat at CompUSA, and I know they have carried some before. So I cant finish it how I wanted. I did get some black paint, and plan to paint the pump though.

[fallguy]

Ok, so like I said I got my X800 Pro. I painted my Swiftech MCP600 black, but didnt get any more Paxmat to go on the mobo tray where it is silver. The only place I know that carries it local is CompUSA, and they didnt have any when I went tonight.

Some pics, some may be redundant, but I did a little rewiring. This way you wont have to click back to see an angle you might want to, too.

Some wiring shots, tried to hide them as well as I could.

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/120.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/121.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/122.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/123.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/124.JPG

[fallguy]

http://home.comcast.net/~kellyfall/Aqua/125.JPG

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[fallguy]

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[fallguy]

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Temps show as 32c idle on the CPU, and 30c case temp. Stock speed on everything for now. Farcry is MUCH faster for me, than with my old 3.0c@3.9+9800XT. But thats mostly the new video card. The only other benches Ive run is 3dmark2001 and 2003. 24k with everything stock in 2001, and 9k stock in 2003.

[situman]

man thats alot of tubing and no hose clamps? ur brave

[fallguy]

Well, my rad has compression fittings, and my pump has clamps. The barbs from Aqua-Computer fit VERY snug with my Tygon. When I tried to take off the hose from a barb it literally took me about 1 min of constant tugging. One of of them I couldnt get it off, and had to cut the hose to get it off, and split the rest left on the barbs. It was then that I decided I wouldnt need any.

[quicksilverXP]

Yes, I second that. I bought the Nexxos pro and the Twinplex and it is a major pain getting the Tygon tubing off of the barbs.

Fallguy, how's that northbridge block? I've noticed even my fanless Zalman heatsink cannot keep my northbridge temps down. I'm considering the Twinplex or the Maze4 northbridge block.

[BlueAqua2]

Hey Fallguy. I really like your setup and have decided to go with Aqua Computer from SNT Mods. I have started my own thread HERE (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=2859718#post2859718).

I wanted to ask you another question though. How do you like your PCP&C 510 deluxe? That's the power supply of choice right now but I've heard that it isn't very quiet, actually quite loud. Any insight on this?

[fallguy]

Oops, sorry quicksilver, must have missed your reply.

I like the chipset block, but I never ran it without it, so I cant say if it helped my overclocking. I read that the NF3-250's ran very hot though, so I got one just in case.

Blue, my 510 is very quiet, in this case. In my PC-6070B is wasnt so quiet. EVERY time I started up a game, it would go into turbo mode, and be pretty loud. Then go back to normal mode about 1 min after I quit the game. It would also kick into high gear just randomly while surfing the web, but not really too often. I only had 3 case fans though, and my case temp was a lot higher than it is now. I had a Mach II at the time, and no top blow hole.

I am assuming the PSU is getting more air because the two 120's draw it towards the PSU, where as in my old case, it didnt get any. It has never kicked into high gear though like it did in my old case contantly.

I have also since gotten my Paxmate, but havent taken a pic yet. The silver from the mobo tray is covered up now. I am also probably going to order a part for my GPU loop next week. Im going with a Aquatube, Aqua-Computer GPU block, MCP600 pump painted black, and still undecided on the rad. Id like to have a Aqua one, but those chrome 120's would be hard to screw on to it. Finding screws for it might be a pain.

[Giblet Plus!]

Setup looks nice, but I would have been curious to see what the MCP600 would do in your old setup, since your 1048 was the only thing really holding it back.

[WhatTheSchmidt]

very nice, big case, clean.

I see tiny tiny air bubbles in your tubing...the kind that don't go anywhere...I have these also, I am running mine right now, for awhile to make sure it's working good until I boot it up. Are these bubbles common? do they affect performance?

[fallguy]

I didnt have any before I added Innovatek's fluid. They are so small, I doubt they effect performance at all. I like theirs though, because its clear. I didnt want any color to my water.

Now, if you have large bubbles.. that would be different.

[fallguy]

Well.. another small update. I got a Dtek 120 Jr in today, with shroud, and one more Evercool 120mm aluminum fan. Its going to take a few months to get the rest of the parts, but I am going to go ahead and install this, so when the time comes I can just add the other stuff.

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I had the original Pro heatercore, and this is a lot smaller, but they say it cools 98% as good.

My plan is to get another Swiftech MCP600 and paint it black, get another Aquatube, GPU block, and eventually the Aqua HD block, from snt. I may have to wait on the HD block, and add it to the loop down the road when I get more money.

One small annoyance with the 120 Jr and shroud, is that the supplied screws do not reach far enough. The only way they would fit, is without the shroud, even then the head wouldnt fit thru the screw hole on the fan. I would have really liked for them to include a bigger screw to make it easier on people with different configurations. Luckily I do have a Home Depot about 5 miles from me though, so no biggie.

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If anyone wants to give me their opinion on how I should mount it, Im all ears. I havent looked at it inside the case yet, but pondering on putting the fan in front with shroud, blowing thru, or fan in the back with shroud, sucking thru it. I know I will have to mod the 2x80mm hole up front, thats not a problem. I did do a little measuring, and the existing holes will be a little bit wider than what I need, by about 1/2"-3/4" on each side. Ill try to figure out some way to cover that up.

Oh, and I bought a new motherboard.. the MSI K8N Neo, it will be here tomorrow. So I plan to take out this mobo (its in the FS forums) put in the heatercore, then put in the new mobo. Probably do that on Saturday. I might give an updated pic sometime on the weekend. I hate to bump this old thread.. but its a work in progress!!! :)

[pauldenton]

My plan is to get another Swiftech MCP600 and paint it black,


wouldn't it be easier to just get an AquaXtreme 50Z-DC12 instead? (which is already black...)

[fallguy]

I thought about that, but it doesnt have the styrofoam on the bottom, and my painted pump would look different.. It only takes a few mins to paint anyhow.

[Jex]

Great work fallguy! I love that fountain effect!

[Sjaak]

Cool.


*re-thinks his options on building WC

[situman]

hey fallguy, that's alot of tubing and blocks, u definitely need that second mcp600. I'm getting the same case soon, but mine will be hte more convention american style 1/2ID. Hope i can make it look as nice as your setup.

[fallguy]

Thanks! :)

Yeah it is a lot of tubing, but I REALLY didnt want to run the pump dry. The way I have it, it goes straight from the res to the pump.

Well, got the new mobo in today, didnt even have to drain the system. Left just enough slack for just this reason. The CPU block was a little hard to get on.. the caps on the left were in the way for the clip. Not too bad though, just a little finesse was needed.

Havent mounted my Heatercore yet, just reinstalled WinXP. Ill probably do that this weekend.

[fallguy]

Ok.. another update with the installation of my Rad, shroud, and 120mm fan.

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[fallguy]

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I dont think that the dust catcher will work... it barely rubs on the fan. While it doesnt really make any noise, but probably not a good thing.

Ill probably get my pump in about another 2 weeks, then it will take me a few months to get my res, and gpu block.

Im thinking filling in the two sides where the aluminum is not there, think its worth it?

[pauldenton]

hmm - might be a good idea to drill some more holes in the front (in front of the top of the fan that is above the filter...)

[Mr.Guvernment]

is that just sound proofing padding or somethign else?

So, how much would you charge to build me one of those systems anbd ship it to me :D :D :D

[Mr.Guvernment]

P.S - you think those filters on the front will cut down air flow much? looks like they might......

[fallguy]

I thought about drilling some more holes, but I have some doubts that I can get it just right. Ive also though about just putting a 120mm fan guard and cutting the whole thing out... but I was trying to keep it looking mostly stock.

Yeah, its just Akasa Paxmat. I like the black look, and it is supposed to help with the noise. I did take out the filter, it was rubbing on the fan, but it probably wasnt cutting down on the air flow too much. I was thinking of turning the thing around, and have the fan on the inside pulling it thru. I still might, Ive got a few more months to get it how I want it, just basically testing it now.

[Mr.Guvernment]

Maybe considering putting the fan with an air hole on the right hand side of the panel (motherboard side) - between where the mobo and front panel are if it would fit there - and possibly another fan on the side of the removable panel?

if that makes sense.... could look nice and gets some good air flow going across the block.

[Giblet Plus!]

I would ditch the lian li filter ASAP and also cover up the exposed sides of the 80mm fan holes to prevent air from just recirculating around the heatercore/shroud assembly.

[fallguy]

Maybe considering putting the fan with an air hole on the right hand side of the panel (motherboard side) - between where the mobo and front panel are if it would fit there - and possibly another fan on the side of the removable panel?

if that makes sense.... could look nice and gets some good air flow going across the block.

Im not following you. :confused:

I took off the filter, and do plan to fill those holes up. Just have to get some scrap aluminum, hopefully something thats sorta close to the original.

edit, hows about one of these (http://snt-systems.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_30&products_id=46) in front, and a then another shroud (http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=107) to try and make sure it gets the best air flow it can. I really didnt want to put that in front.. cause someone already did, and I didnt want to be a copy cat :( Seems like it would work well though.

[pauldenton]

I thought about drilling some more holes, but I have some doubts that I can get it just right. Ive also though about just putting a 120mm fan guard and cutting the whole thing out... but I was trying to keep it looking mostly stock.
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yeah, that's why i thought more holes - if you carefully space them the same and match the size ... shouldn't be too hard to do if you measure up well and use a punch or whatever to pilot the hole so the drill doesn't slip :eek:

[ketchup318]

hey fallguy,
how are you getting the air bubbles out of your rad? It's on top just like the reservoir. Are you running the system with the case tilted and all?

[fallguy]

Yeah, I tilted it when running it to get all the air out.

I still have a little bit of bubbles.. when I had my res filled to the top, and no Innovatek protectant I didnt. But when I put that in and left my res half empty, I got a little. If I fill it to the top, I dont, but then I dont have the little fountain effect either.

[Giblet Plus!]

The reservoir with the fountain effect looks cool, but I would imagine it adds a similar amount of resistance to your system as an extra waterblock. A proper reservoir would connect straight to the inlet of the pump with as large of diameter of tubing as possible.

[fallguy]

Im aware the setup is not the best that could be had, if I wanted the lowest temps possible, I would have kept my Mach II.

I like the Aqua-Stuff, and I like how it looks. I dont care to lose a few degrees to have what I think, looks better, and better quality. If there was a 1/2" setup with a res like that, or blocks like theirs, I would have gotten it, but there is not.

[BeerHunter]

Heh, mission complete!

You will be happy with them, I sorta wish I had gotten a 1048 again. I REALY wish Aqua-Computer would come out with a 1048 version of their pump.


Boy I guess we all have different definitions of quiet. To me the 1048 was'nt quiet until I impeller modded it and suspended it with rubber tubing.... as vibration resonates while sitting on anything.

I can just imagine how loud the MCP is :::SHUTTER:::.

[ketchup318]

i think that the mcp600 is pretty quiet. i really have no problems with it, it's pretty much unnoticable compared to the pair of raptors i have in my case. it also comes with vibration isolating sticky pads... it's a good pump in my opinion

[Giblet Plus!]

I just ordered a Laing D4. Do you think I'll be able to hear it over my 15,000 rpm pirahna? ;)

[fallguy]

Boy I guess we all have different definitions of quiet. To me the 1048 was'nt quiet until I impeller modded it and suspended it with rubber tubing.... as vibration resonates while sitting on anything.

I can just imagine how loud the MCP is :::SHUTTER:::.

Perhaps you got a bad one, I had a 1046, and 1048, both of them were almost dead silent. I couldnt hear either one, unless I put my ear just next to it. I also had the pump and anti-vibration stands too.

[quicksilverXP]

I've had all three. The Liand D4, the MCP600, and the 1048. The Laing is SOOO loud, it's horrible. I can't even imagine how it would sound at 16v. The MCP600 has a loud hum to it. The Eheim 1048 I have now is incredibly silent. I can't understand how people who say they've gone from a 1048 to an MCP600 do not notice the difference is sound, or that the sound is negligible. I now can understand why people would opt for watercooling a PSU as that is the loudest thing in my comp right now.

[jenkx]

I've had all three. The Liand D4, the MCP600, and the 1048. The Laing is SOOO loud, it's horrible. I can't even imagine how it would sound at 16v. The MCP600 has a loud hum to it. The Eheim 1048 I have now is incredibly silent. I can't understand how people who say they've gone from a 1048 to an MCP600 do not notice the difference is sound, or that the sound is negligible. I now can understand why people would opt for watercooling a PSU as that is the loudest thing in my comp right now.

First off, the only pump I'll ever use is the MCP600 because mine works great for me. Mine is as silent as a cat walking through the ally at night, you only know its there if you happen to look at it.

Second, fallguy your system is great. I started modding a Lian-Li PC-7323 before I started following this tread but you've given me some ideas. My system will have a Black Ice Extreme II dual 120mm rad up top like yours. I'll have separate rediator for the NB and GPU. I'll either use my current Swiftech 80mm rads or a Black Ice Extreme for them.

I'm planning on having everything in the same loop. However I'm wondering if I'll need a second pump with all that restriction and the amount of hose I'll have to use due to the size of the case. It will have no reservoir because I'm sold on Swiftech's fill and bleed system.

[BeerHunter]

Perhaps you got a bad one, I had a 1046, and 1048, both of them were almost dead silent. I couldnt hear either one, unless I put my ear just next to it. I also had the pump and anti-vibration stands too.


No I got 2 of them to be sure. Guys here assured me it was silent and they was'nt. Almost is'nt silent. Yes it was 10x quiter than the laing but it had some impellor noise from about 6" away which I had to fix with impellor mod which stops slack. Then sitting on anything the vibration caused the case to resonate which is why I had to hang it from rubber to elminate. I'm pretty sensitive to noises though. If I can hear it at all, at 3am in my room, from 3ft away, it's no good. That's way I went though about $300 in fans and $300 in PSU's until nothing but mods would work.


Anyway heres a link to mod if you all want silent:
http://www.eheim-mod.de.vu/

[toorude]

ugh reading that last post hurt my head and I forgot what I was gonna post.

[fallguy]

So since I cant leave well enough alone, I thought I would try a duct/shroud thingie to get fresh air to the rad.

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It isnt set exactly right, it bend just outside the 80mm fan hole. Im going to take the tape off, and clean up the extra sealant after it cures, should look better. Also going to seal up the two little holes, like where the fan wires are.

Good idea or bad? I havent modded the case yet, so its not too late to ditch the idea. Im worried about the back fan not getting enough air, so I thought about putting a divider to seperate the air flow, thoughts on that? I was also not going to put any back fans, just let the 120mm's suck the air in, yay or nay?

In basically looking for input here, it takes about 12 hours to cure, so I dont be doing anything else till it does. I was thinking about just butting it up to the edge of the case, or putting another "wall" of plexi and cutting to 80mm holes, then screwing it to the case. Which sounds better?

If anyone has any ideas I havent thought of, feel free to tell me. Always willing to learn. :)

edit, forgot to mention I will be cutting out the two guards, for more direct air flow. Also trying to think of someway to screen it off, and possibly put a filter on it. Ive got the stock one I took off the front, its just a hair too wide though.

[Bad_CEKTOP]

Good Idea, pulling the air from outside should give ya better temps. The more air you can give the shroud from outside the better, if you have 2x120s pushing the air through the core then you should have at least 2x120s pushing the air into the shroud from the outside.

You can try mounting 2x80 at high revs, but db becomes an issue. You may need to make another piece with accomendates 2x120 to connect to the shroud.

You may need to deflect the exaust from your PSU down so it doesn't take in the hot air.

Something like my drawing maybe :/

[Jex]

Sounds like a good idea to me. I am surpised that you cut/used sealant. If looks are your thing, then use heat gun and table end to bend it. If you went with the divider idea, how would you do so? Horizontally?

jex

[fallguy]

My case isnt big enough for two 120's back there :/ One would fit, but would be very close, and would look odd since it wouldnt cover the two 80mm holes.

Yeah I was going to put a divider horizontally. I was also thinking of using some very thin metal, like for siding.

[fallguy]

Ok... so I got a shroud on the front fan, and my 2nd pump painted and installed.

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Now its pressed against the front of the case, with a pretty tight air seal. Put some neoprene on the outside to help seal it. It actually fits the holes about perfectly, just above the holes on top, and just under the holes on the bottom.

I still havent filled in the gap around the fan, just lazy I guess. Ill try to find something and do that soon.

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My second pump. About the only think I dont like about where I have them, or the pump themselves, is that the butts are totally flat. Which is a huge air block.. not sure what to do about it. I dont need a lot of air flow, because when Im done with it, the CPU, NB, GPU+ram, and HD will all be watercooled. But I would like to have a little air flow.. especially up around the heatsinks by the CPU.

Any thoughts about how to get it around the pumps? Ive thought about trying to make some kind of V on the back end of the pumps, but not sure how to do it. Also dont want to make it look retarded...

So now I just need, the res, GPU and HD block. Slowly but surely. :)

[herbs97]

Lookin good fallguy! Could you set them more towards the back of the case & turn them 180°? I like the way you have them now, but i also see how much air they could block.

As for the gaps around the fans, A couple pieces of sheetmetal & rivits, could take care of that. Keep up the great work!

[jenkx]

I dont need a lot of air flow, because when Im done with it, the CPU, NB, GPU+ram, and HD will all be air cooled.

I'm sure you mean water cooled. That shroud mod looks great. To solve your air flow problems you could mod a smaller fan to the top portion of the rad to pull a little more air through into the system or put a fan on the side panal if there is not one there already.

[fallguy]

Oops, yeah, ment watercooled.

I really dont want to add another fan. As it is now, I just have 6. 1 PSU, 3 120's, and two rear 80's. A GPU fan too, but that wont be there when Im done. About 2/3's of the air goes over the pumps, maybe its not that big of a deal.

[phaeton]

Are those fan's pushing air up through the rad? If so, switch it, its MUCH better to suck than to push (and in that case, leave the cool looking duct because the warm air will filter out of the case, unless you want the airflow inside). But SUCK SUCK SUCK!!!

You get no backpressure, you suck nice air in from your room.... much better :)

[fallguy]

I cant really change it though, without taking it all apart. I would have to drill the rivets out, and reverse them. Then re-rivet it back together. Too much trouble :(